2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy Hillary was so UNgracious in victory last night:
Bernie won the Hispanic vote. And that is despite the organized attacks on him by her campaign.
Simple as that
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
JI7
(89,262 posts)the early numbers were off.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)If you have alternate polling numbers you can show them, but please don't trot out that half-assed extrapolation from the Clark County vote as it is nothing but sophistry and proves nothing using real numbers crunched with real intent to learn.
The polling is the best info we have.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)congrats to you
cali
(114,904 posts)good about how Bernie did. That changed with the lies and smears from camp hilly.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)And still do.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)but I'm very happy to hear that he made headway in their community.
senz
(11,945 posts)It seems to really bother them.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)The Traveler
(5,632 posts)For months, I was told he was zero and going no where with the Latino vote. But evidently you understood the secret truth that he started off strong.
Trav
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Look, I'm sorry your candidate lost. I'm no fan of HRC. I have no dog in this fight.
But there's no need to continue to be rude.
You win some. You lose some.
If Bernie is the nominee by the time we get to my April 26th primary, I have promised to vote for him.
If HRC is the nominee by then, I won't vote for either candidate---leaving the presidential selection blank and voting down ticket only.
I've stated this repeatedly and I mean it.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)it's over.it's been fixed by dem establishment for clinton.
I will vote for bernie in missouri democratic primary on march 16 but i will be staying home on election day.back in 2004 i voted for dean in dem primary even though i knew it was over but i voted for kerry in GE however i won't do that this time.
jfern
(5,204 posts)They made it clear Nevada chose wrong.
senz
(11,945 posts)for Hill's ungracious behavior.
Maybe it's just the way she is?
nxylas
(6,440 posts)NV and SC were supposed to be her firewall, where the Peasants' Revolt was supposed to be crushed once and for all. Instead, she only won by 5.5% and 4 delegates. A good result, to be sure, but not a blowout.
vdogg
(1,384 posts)You guys carried around that target point poll like it was the bible, loudly proclaiming that 45/45 result it was showing meant Hillary would lose. Nvm the poll was from a Repub outfit trying to push Repub talking points, you all clung to that like your lives depended on it. As far as firewall, a firewall is meant to stop progression. The NV firewall did exactly that, it stopped Sanders progress and momentum. The margin doesn't matter, it did the job.
nxylas
(6,440 posts)Why do you think the royal court seems so upset, despite winning?
vdogg
(1,384 posts)Hillary carried all of the Latino precincts, an impossibility, if she had actually lost the Latino vote as Sanders is claiming.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Winning precincts is not the same as winning a group of people across the entire state.
"That entrance-poll crosstab which gives Sanders an 8-point edge over Clinton among Hispanic voters, 53 percent to 45 percent"
Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/02/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-hispanic-voters-fight-219578#ixzz40o2RFlTv
#1. because a couple overexcited young posters thing a poll tie will turn into a win does not mean that all Bernie supporters were running around saying Bernie would win Nevada.
#2. are you claiming that "Latino precincts" are 100% Latino, with zero non-Latino voters? And that no Latino voters live in "non-Latino precincts?"
But keep up the smears. It's people like you that are shrinking the Democratic Party.
mythology
(9,527 posts)The fact that you go in and listen to other voters means people may change their mind, and the fact that you see how your neighbors are voting may do so as well.
It's hard to claim that in districts that are have a majority of residents being Hispanic that the turnout would not reflect that.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Given the uncertainties of the entrance poll, there's a lot of reason to believe the precinct analysis is more reliable and that Clinton probably got more Latino votes than Sanders, but the best answer came from the Vermont senator, himself.
"Who knows?" he said, when asked about the issue on CNN. "Nationally, it is clear that we are doing better and better with Latino voters."
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-who-won-nevada-latinos-20160221-story.html#
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)GreydeeThos
(958 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Even if it were true.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)The OP starts with the ASSUMPTION (or more specifically hidden accusation) that she was ungracious, and then proceeds to say it's because she supposedly "lost" the Hispanic vote (which is highly debatable, since it is based entirely on early exit polls and not supported by the final numbers).
Could you please clarify for us in what manner, precisely, was she ungracious?
Gothmog
(145,496 posts)LexVegas
(6,092 posts)bernie dared to challenge her.just like some of us dared to support someone other than her.
George II
(67,782 posts)Kittycat
(10,493 posts)They're going to win SC, and some others. We're going to win some. Bernie has made some amazing strides in what was supposed to be the impenetrable firewall of the inevitable coronation. Everything is against us. Party elites, corporate cash, and special interests - but here he stands after the first 3 rounds, and still gaining ground. I think things look good. I know where my heart stands either way, and I made peace with it after last night. The party leaders tried to turn it's back on it's core values, and now the core is fighting back. This is more than just the presidency - it's a fight for our values. I don't know what the outcome of this race will be, but our party will be changed in the end. I just hope they land on the left side, and not the middle-right. Third Way isn't a Democratic Value.