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Why Hillary was so UNgracious in victory last night: (Original Post) cali Feb 2016 OP
Thank You For Sharing These Truths cantbeserious Feb 2016 #1
this is not true, the actual results shows she won the hispanic vote JI7 Feb 2016 #2
No, he won by 9% as near as can be determined. kristopher Feb 2016 #30
link? frylock Feb 2016 #37
sorry your man lost last night. stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #3
that was nice! dana_b Feb 2016 #5
Hey, I started off last night offering congratulations and feeling cali Feb 2016 #6
Let's not Generalize Cali, some of us joined you in that effort. Amimnoch Feb 2016 #23
I didn't listen dana_b Feb 2016 #4
Hill supporters are denying that up one side and down the other. senz Feb 2016 #7
No! Hillary won the Hispanic vote. Bernie started off strong, but didn't hold on. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #8
How odd The Traveler Feb 2016 #18
To his credit, he did start out strong earlier in the NV, but lost ground as the day went on. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #28
as i said Robbins Feb 2016 #34
Team Hillary was some sore winners jfern Feb 2016 #9
If Bernie didn't win the Hispanic vote, we'll need another explanation senz Feb 2016 #10
Maybe it was just closer than she would have liked nxylas Feb 2016 #13
Umm..weren't you guys saying she would lose Nevada? vdogg Feb 2016 #19
Well, then I guess there must be some other explanation nxylas Feb 2016 #20
Perhaps because what Sanders campaign is saying is a lie. vdogg Feb 2016 #21
Entrance polls showed that Bernie won the Latino vote -- citing that is not a lie magical thyme Feb 2016 #26
Entrance polling in a caucus is made significantly less reliable due to the nature of caucuses mythology Feb 2016 #35
Sanders didn't lie. And I'm effing sick of the smear campaign against him and his supporters. magical thyme Feb 2016 #39
I'm sorry, but what was "ungracious" about her victory speech? nt Jitter65 Feb 2016 #25
Do you have a link to that assertion? giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #11
..... cali Feb 2016 #12
The fact that she won heavily Latino areas suggests the entrance polls were off. Metric System Feb 2016 #14
You go with that. giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #15
Bernie came in at a good strong second GreydeeThos Feb 2016 #16
Oh, good grief ... NurseJackie Feb 2016 #17
I don't see how that makes Hillary ungracious treestar Feb 2016 #22
Very true. The can't even be a gracious winner. Imagine how horrible a loser she would have been. Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #24
How was Hillary ungracious last night? Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #27
I am looking forward to the Texas primary Gothmog Feb 2016 #29
No he didn't. nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #31
Lol! zappaman Feb 2016 #32
because Robbins Feb 2016 #33
How specifically was she ungracious last night? Many thought it was an upbeat, positive speech. George II Feb 2016 #36
It's all tied up. Kittycat Feb 2016 #38

JI7

(89,262 posts)
2. this is not true, the actual results shows she won the hispanic vote
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 06:19 AM
Feb 2016

the early numbers were off.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
30. No, he won by 9% as near as can be determined.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:03 PM
Feb 2016

If you have alternate polling numbers you can show them, but please don't trot out that half-assed extrapolation from the Clark County vote as it is nothing but sophistry and proves nothing using real numbers crunched with real intent to learn.

The polling is the best info we have.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
6. Hey, I started off last night offering congratulations and feeling
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 06:20 AM
Feb 2016

good about how Bernie did. That changed with the lies and smears from camp hilly.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
7. Hill supporters are denying that up one side and down the other.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 06:32 AM
Feb 2016

It seems to really bother them.

 

The Traveler

(5,632 posts)
18. How odd
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:46 AM
Feb 2016

For months, I was told he was zero and going no where with the Latino vote. But evidently you understood the secret truth that he started off strong.

Trav

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
28. To his credit, he did start out strong earlier in the NV, but lost ground as the day went on.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:23 AM
Feb 2016

Look, I'm sorry your candidate lost. I'm no fan of HRC. I have no dog in this fight.

But there's no need to continue to be rude.

You win some. You lose some.

If Bernie is the nominee by the time we get to my April 26th primary, I have promised to vote for him.

If HRC is the nominee by then, I won't vote for either candidate---leaving the presidential selection blank and voting down ticket only.

I've stated this repeatedly and I mean it.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
34. as i said
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:11 PM
Feb 2016

it's over.it's been fixed by dem establishment for clinton.

I will vote for bernie in missouri democratic primary on march 16 but i will be staying home on election day.back in 2004 i voted for dean in dem primary even though i knew it was over but i voted for kerry in GE however i won't do that this time.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
10. If Bernie didn't win the Hispanic vote, we'll need another explanation
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 06:37 AM
Feb 2016

for Hill's ungracious behavior.

Maybe it's just the way she is?

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
13. Maybe it was just closer than she would have liked
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:01 AM
Feb 2016

NV and SC were supposed to be her firewall, where the Peasants' Revolt was supposed to be crushed once and for all. Instead, she only won by 5.5% and 4 delegates. A good result, to be sure, but not a blowout.

vdogg

(1,384 posts)
19. Umm..weren't you guys saying she would lose Nevada?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:53 AM
Feb 2016

You guys carried around that target point poll like it was the bible, loudly proclaiming that 45/45 result it was showing meant Hillary would lose. Nvm the poll was from a Repub outfit trying to push Repub talking points, you all clung to that like your lives depended on it. As far as firewall, a firewall is meant to stop progression. The NV firewall did exactly that, it stopped Sanders progress and momentum. The margin doesn't matter, it did the job.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
20. Well, then I guess there must be some other explanation
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:57 AM
Feb 2016

Why do you think the royal court seems so upset, despite winning?

vdogg

(1,384 posts)
21. Perhaps because what Sanders campaign is saying is a lie.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:01 AM
Feb 2016

Hillary carried all of the Latino precincts, an impossibility, if she had actually lost the Latino vote as Sanders is claiming.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
26. Entrance polls showed that Bernie won the Latino vote -- citing that is not a lie
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:49 AM
Feb 2016

Winning precincts is not the same as winning a group of people across the entire state.


"That entrance-poll crosstab — which gives Sanders an 8-point edge over Clinton among Hispanic voters, 53 percent to 45 percent"

Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/02/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-hispanic-voters-fight-219578#ixzz40o2RFlTv

#1. because a couple overexcited young posters thing a poll tie will turn into a win does not mean that all Bernie supporters were running around saying Bernie would win Nevada.

#2. are you claiming that "Latino precincts" are 100% Latino, with zero non-Latino voters? And that no Latino voters live in "non-Latino precincts?"

But keep up the smears. It's people like you that are shrinking the Democratic Party.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
35. Entrance polling in a caucus is made significantly less reliable due to the nature of caucuses
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:30 PM
Feb 2016

The fact that you go in and listen to other voters means people may change their mind, and the fact that you see how your neighbors are voting may do so as well.

It's hard to claim that in districts that are have a majority of residents being Hispanic that the turnout would not reflect that.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
39. Sanders didn't lie. And I'm effing sick of the smear campaign against him and his supporters.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:51 PM
Feb 2016
Why neither Hillary Clinton nor Bernie Sanders can claim a win in the Latino vote in Nevada


Given the uncertainties of the entrance poll, there's a lot of reason to believe the precinct analysis is more reliable and that Clinton probably got more Latino votes than Sanders, but the best answer came from the Vermont senator, himself.

"Who knows?" he said, when asked about the issue on CNN. "Nationally, it is clear that we are doing better and better with Latino voters."
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-who-won-nevada-latinos-20160221-story.html#

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
27. How was Hillary ungracious last night?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:57 AM
Feb 2016

The OP starts with the ASSUMPTION (or more specifically hidden accusation) that she was ungracious, and then proceeds to say it's because she supposedly "lost" the Hispanic vote (which is highly debatable, since it is based entirely on early exit polls and not supported by the final numbers).

Could you please clarify for us in what manner, precisely, was she ungracious?

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
33. because
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:08 PM
Feb 2016

bernie dared to challenge her.just like some of us dared to support someone other than her.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
38. It's all tied up.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:19 PM
Feb 2016

They're going to win SC, and some others. We're going to win some. Bernie has made some amazing strides in what was supposed to be the impenetrable firewall of the inevitable coronation. Everything is against us. Party elites, corporate cash, and special interests - but here he stands after the first 3 rounds, and still gaining ground. I think things look good. I know where my heart stands either way, and I made peace with it after last night. The party leaders tried to turn it's back on it's core values, and now the core is fighting back. This is more than just the presidency - it's a fight for our values. I don't know what the outcome of this race will be, but our party will be changed in the end. I just hope they land on the left side, and not the middle-right. Third Way isn't a Democratic Value.

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