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MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 09:35 PM Oct 2012

May I inject a brief history lesson into all of this poll panic?

During the 1984 campign, the news media was TOTALLY in the bag for reagan to have a landslide over the Mondale/Ferraro ticket. We were being deluged by the media every day prior to the first debate that it was going to be the political equivalent of a public execution and that Mondale had NO CHANCE against "the great communicator".

In the first debate, Mondale was in control from the opening statement and reagan was every bit the senile, doddering old idiot that he was ever since a few months after he was shot. I remember a highly placed Democrat proclaiming that there was now a new "great communicator". Mondale's highlight in that debate was how he was able to turn the tables on reagan when he again used the "there you go again" line that he'd used (pretty effectively) against President Carter in their 1980 debate.

A few days later, Geraldine Ferraro did pretty damned well against bush senior in thei VP debate. Mondale/Ferraro went from being down by 15 to down by 4 in a matter of days.

In the second debate, reagan used a line about Mondale's "youth and inexperience" to "win" their second and final debate.

We all remember who won that election and by how much. For those of you who weren't around then, it wasn't Mondale.

One consequence that I'm sure the media hasn't anticipated is that now, going into the second debate, the expectaions for President Obama are near zero in the public's collective mind. The media has been on a steady drumbeat of willard's brilliance as a debater. They kinda forget willard's biggest problem, which is that willard is STOOOOOPID!

I'm fully expecting a very significant turnaround after the second Obama/willard debate. Our president is a very intelligent and very competitive man. He won't allow this to happen to him twice.

That's my 2 cents, and quite possibly overpriced at that!

PEACE!

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May I inject a brief history lesson into all of this poll panic? (Original Post) MarianJack Oct 2012 OP
Good points.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2012 #1
Your points are also good, but... MarianJack Oct 2012 #2
I am expecting Rmoney to be nothing short of incredible. klook Oct 2012 #3
willard is a GENIUS!!! MarianJack Oct 2012 #7
Second debate will be nice but... fugop Oct 2012 #4
Joe Biden comes off as very "aw, shucks" but he is smart as a whip Lex Oct 2012 #5
I dislike ryan almost as much as... MarianJack Oct 2012 #6
Hey! Don't you come in here with your "logic" and "facts" Doctor Jack Oct 2012 #8
LOL! Shhh.. I need you all to be quiet so I can not be distracted.. Cha Oct 2012 #9
Sorry, Doctor Jack! MarianJack Oct 2012 #17
Your points are strong, but your strongest is about the expectations... Drunken Irishman Oct 2012 #10
I,too, am waiting for the real President Obama to show up. MarianJack Oct 2012 #15
Applause to you! Charlotte Little Oct 2012 #11
"no battle was ever won in a fetal position". MarianJack Oct 2012 #14
Reagan was never behind this late. Neither were Clinton or Bush II. geek tragedy Oct 2012 #12
Debate prep IS a drag. Julien Sorel Oct 2012 #13
Hey, the guy had pizzas to deliver. geek tragedy Oct 2012 #21
If you insist on panicing over a speed bump,... MarianJack Oct 2012 #16
'a speed bump' TroyD Oct 2012 #18
I simply believe in my candidate, as well as... MarianJack Oct 2012 #19
James Carville predicts Obama will still win : ) TroyD Oct 2012 #23
I repectfully disagree about... MarianJack Oct 2012 #24
Speed bump? He drove his car into the ditch. nt geek tragedy Oct 2012 #20
This is all very correctable. MarianJack Oct 2012 #22

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
1. Good points....
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 09:58 PM
Oct 2012

....but honestly, that next debate can't come fast enough, and right now it's a zillion miles away. And we will never have the landslide advantage that Reagan had. So we can't fool around or play 8 dimensional chess with a dumb ass public anymore.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
2. Your points are also good, but...
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 10:16 PM
Oct 2012

...I still expect the President to be reelected with a quite comfortable margin.

PEACE!

klook

(13,474 posts)
3. I am expecting Rmoney to be nothing short of incredible.
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 10:20 PM
Oct 2012

I mean, he is never credible, is he?

No, really -- Rmoney will be the greatest debater since William Jennings Bryan. He'll be Socrates, Lincoln, and Douglas rolled into one! He will make Obama look like Jerry Lewis!

Yes, I have very high expectations of Rmoney. Very, very, very fucking high.

But I'm sure he's going to be every bit as good as he was in the first debate, and for Obama to be a bumbling, semi-comatose moron. And I suggest that every one of us call every talk show we can find, and write a letter to every editor there is, to say just how incredible Rmoney is and how scared of his debating prowess we all are.

And most of all, we are all concerned about just how much empathy we know Rmoney will show everyone at this town hall debate -- because, after all, he's repudiated the 47% comments, and he no longer wants to get rid of abortion or cut billionaire's taxes or shut down Social Security or Medicare, and--stuff.

fugop

(1,828 posts)
4. Second debate will be nice but...
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 10:21 PM
Oct 2012

...in the meantime I hope Joe rips off Ryan's head and feeds it to him.

Literally.

Lex

(34,108 posts)
5. Joe Biden comes off as very "aw, shucks" but he is smart as a whip
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 10:24 PM
Oct 2012

and knows how to handle this whippersnapper Ryan in the exact right manner, I truly believe.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
10. Your points are strong, but your strongest is about the expectations...
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 10:58 PM
Oct 2012

I think people expected Obama to just waltz in and slaughter Romney in the debates. Now, as you say, the expectations are so low that just showing up might be perceived as victory.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
15. I,too, am waiting for the real President Obama to show up.
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 06:02 AM
Oct 2012

I fully expect it to happen. He is a very competitive man who wants to win.

PEACE!

Charlotte Little

(658 posts)
11. Applause to you!
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 11:28 PM
Oct 2012

Exactly what I've being trying to preach only not as well (by any means) and without the history attached. Everyone needs to breathe in, exhale and calm down. No war was ever won in one battle...and no battle was ever won in a fetal position, babbling! Just sayin'

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
12. Reagan was never behind this late. Neither were Clinton or Bush II.
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 11:30 PM
Oct 2012

Who did trail with 4 weeks to go?

Poppy Bush and Jimmy Carter.

And now Barack "debate prep is a drag" Obama.

Julien Sorel

(6,067 posts)
13. Debate prep IS a drag.
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 01:09 AM
Oct 2012

Besides, this thing is all wrapped up, so there's nothing to worry about. All those unemployed people, those poor people, those working people who are counting on Social Security (not that Obama was going to do anything about them, anyway, maybe cut it less than Romney. Maybe.), those kids deserving decent public schools, those people who were counting on Obamacare, however third rate it might be, those Democratic candidates who were hoping to ride presidential momentum into office -- they don't count enough for Obama to worry his pretty head. There just wasn't enough to motivate him. He earned the right to cruise for a bit. That presidentin' is "hard work," to quote his illustrious predecessor.

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
18. 'a speed bump'
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 06:05 AM
Oct 2012

How do we know this is only a speed bump?

I haven't seen a collapse in the polls this dramatic all year.

I'm certainly positive that they CAN go back up, but how do we know that's a guarantee?

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
23. James Carville predicts Obama will still win : )
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 06:12 AM
Oct 2012

And those are still the odds, but it seems like more than a glitch to me so far.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
22. This is all very correctable.
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 06:11 AM
Oct 2012

If I had any money, I'd be willing to wager on it.

In 1984, so did saint ronald.

PEACE!

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