Those Casino workers who were allowed to vote without registering

[2pooped2pop]

So they could get back to their so so important jobs:

1) was that legal?
2) do we now have their registrations and have they been checked to see that they were not duplicated?
3) why weren't other locations with long lines given the same opportunity?
4) were locations with long lines, lack of registration forms, etc in heavy Bernie or Hillary areas?
5) why was no such concern given to the Jewish community?

[dchill]

1. I'm glad you asked that question.

Not that I know the answer...

[Skwmom]

2. Exactly! n/t

[peacebird]

3. Kick

[jehop61]

4. Probably

Because most poll workers are volunteers trying to do their civic duty as best they can. People can be so critical of others who are busting their butts for our election

[brooklynite]

18. Especially when safely tucked behind a keyboard.

[frylock]

42. Blessed be the poll workers.

[Vattel]

102. lol

[djean111]

6. I think we all know the answers to all of those questions.

And it ain't pretty, but it ain't surprising.

[Helen Borg]

26. You mean, part of the Clinton machine?

[djean111]

32. Yes.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. Well, geez...

So they could get back to their so so important jobs.

We all can't be doctors and lawyers and such... They are mostly hotel wait staff doing grueling and unenviable work. I believe your candidate would demur from such a classist analysis.

[2pooped2pop]

22. why were their jobs more important tham anyone elses jobs?

Why were they given preferential treatment? These were casino workers?

[Helen Borg]

27. Without casinos...

There would be no Nevada.

[MH1]

80. LOFL. To some of us, without casinos, Nevada would be a much prettier place.

There certainly would be a Nevada.


(Disclaimer, I don't begrudge anyone taking the job they can get. I despise casinos, especially water hogs in the desert, but if they exist, then it's legitimate for people to work there.)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. Words can not explain my profound sadness...

Those Casino workers who were allowed to vote without registering

So they could get back to their so so important jobs:

Words can not express my profound sadness that a person who holds himself out as a progressive would so casually dismiss the work of maids, janitors, bartenders, and other casino/hotel wait staff...

My sadness is only mitigated by the fact that Senator Sanders eschews your classist analysis.

In this instance I stand with Senator Sanders and my proletarian brothers and sisters.

[2pooped2pop]

59. Wtf

I am not dissing the casino workers. Their janitors ate no different than janitors at other buildings. Why did these get preferential treatment? Why weren't the others janitors allowed to get expediated treatment?

And do we know who they were or were they sent to vote in additional non registered casino workers election?

So please get off your own high horse.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

63. Please see Post 61.

Every vote counts, regardless of the person's station in life. That's how we roll in the land of the free...

[2pooped2pop]

88. Really u can't read?

It has nothing to do with their jobs. It' s why were these people given expedited treatment while other people were forced to wait in line.

I do believe you must be pulling some faux shock, pearl clutching, and fainting couch memes on me or you really do have comprehension problems.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

92. Of course I can read...

I will dispense with the highfalutin language and use idiomatic English. I am not surprised a person who looks down his nose at casino/hotel wait staff:

Those Casino workers who were allowed to vote without registering [View all]

So they could get back to their so so important jobs:

looks down his nose at me and other members of my class.

[2pooped2pop]

93. Still you choose to not comprehend

Thanks for the clarification. Please return head to sand now if it is more comfortable.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

94. No need to obfuscate...

No need to obfuscate. You let us know where you stand , and it's not with the working class:

Those Casino workers who were allowed to vote without registering

So they could get back to their so so important jobs:

Let's drink to the hard working people
Let's drink to the lowly of birth
Raise your glass to the good and the evil
Let's drink to the salt of the earth

-Jagger/Richards

[2pooped2pop]

111. Right Hillary supporter

It's all of the Bernie supporters who are not for the working class.

There is no way that you are not just playig Clinton Games here.

Lol bye bye

[DemocratSinceBirth]

112. Have a nice day...

Next time you deign to denigrate the working class, try to make sure this plebeian isn't around.

[2pooped2pop]

117. U are really kind of funny.

I hope you will be there so I can see how far someone can go to pretend they can't understand.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

118. I thought you said you were leaving.

I thought you said you were leaving.:

Lol bye bye

- 2pooped2pop

[2pooped2pop]

143. Hmmm u can't comprehend even the tiniest things?

I'm sorry. Let me try to explain bye bye in simpler terms,...I meant bye bye to you, for now.

It'll be OK.

[trillion]

184. Gotta give you kudos for the video. As a Rolling Stones fan, thanks!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

185. My dad had a ninth grade education and when he died at 58 he was ...

My dad had a ninth grade education and when he died at 58 he was putting up street signs for a living.

I have great empathy for working folks.

“If a man is called to be a street sweeper, he should sweep streets even as Michelangelo painted, or Beethoven composed music, or Shakespeare wrote poetry. He should sweep streets so well that all the hosts of heaven and earth will pause to say, here lived a great street sweeper who did his job well.”


-Martin Luther King, Jr.

[trillion]

186. Awesome quote! Thanks for this.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

187. You are welcome...

I am not trying to score debating points in this thread. I started this thread while the caucus was being held:



http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511284751


Tip of the hat to the general manager at Caesars. He told the caucus goers to take as much time as necessary to vote and he would deal with their bosses...

[panader0]

97. Have you ever been in a long line

and seen people cutting in line? I have and didn't think it was fair to those who waited.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

99. Here are the addresses of the Nevada Attorney General and the Democratic National Comiittee

Adam Paul Laxalt
Office of the Attorney General
Grant Sawyer Building
555 E. Washington Avenue, Suite 3900
Las Vegas, NV 89101
Telephone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]



Democratic National Committee
430 South Capitol St. SE
Washington, DC 20003
Main phone number: 202-863-8000


Please feel free to contact them if you believe evil or chicanery were afoot.

[panader0]

104. Where did you learn to dodge a question like that?

It was simple---?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

105. I am not dodging...

It's a tendentious question in this context

No, I don't believe you should butt ahead of people on lines but I do make exceptions for the old, pregnant women, and the physically challenged...

Let's be honest with ourselves...Secretary Clinton won, some people are bad sports, can't handle it, and are doing everything to undermine her victory... It's the epitome of poor sportsmanship.

If I was on a sports board I would say "Scoreboard" and post this:




https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=nevada%20caucus%20results&eob=m.059_c/D/2/short/m.059_c/

[2pooped2pop]

145. So the casino workers were old, pregnant, or physically challenged?

Well why didn't you just say so before. Bless those that let those poor, pregnant, old and physically challenged casino workers
skirt the rules and vote without being registered.

Just bless the hell out of them.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

159. I don't think I suggested that...

I swear I thought you said you were leaving:

Lol bye bye

I will change the pace if you won't:

Oh don't feel bad, mon ami or mon amie, you're not the only one here.

[2pooped2pop]

160. Well I can't leave when someone thinks they can intimidate me to leave.

So, I'm gonna stay right here. It's my op, perhaps you should catch ur bus now?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

161. Well, we established your word is suspect

Lol bye bye

lol

[2pooped2pop]

162. Has anyone ever told you that you are quick to get a point?

Probably not eh?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

164. I feel we are back to square one.

I feel we are back to square one. If a poster shows contempt for poor plebeians trying to earn a living:

Those Casino workers who were allowed to vote without registering

So they could get back to their so so important jobs:

why should this plebeian expect to fare any better:

Has anyone ever told you that you are quick to get a point?

Probably not eh?

I think I liked the poster who said he or she is leaving:

Lol bye bye

and never did better.

If you say something nice I might let you have your thread back.

[2pooped2pop]

172. Nope nothing nice to say to someone working so hard to deflect Hillary's usual tactics by pretending

To have a learning disability. Shame on you.. Hass anyone ever told you that you get the point right away?

Nope, probably not.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

173. The calumnies are piling up

The calumnies are piling up

Denigrating working folk:

Those Casino workers who were allowed to vote without registering

So they could get back to their so so important jobs:

Making light of those with learning challenges:

Nope nothing nice to say to someone working so hard to deflect Hillary's usual tactics by pretending

To have a learning disability

Oh, who is Hass:

Hass anyone ever told you that you get the point right away?

Your alter ego?

[2pooped2pop]

176. Has anyone ever told you

That you grab onto a strawman and try to make your case on that while ignoring the issue?

Why yes, I believe they have.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

177. No.

lol

[2pooped2pop]

144. That's the problem

There is always cheating, but nothing ever changes. It does not matter who you scream to, they are all in the same boat while pretending the fleet is divided.

[CorkySt.Clair]

123. Outright contempt for working people

I'd say I'm surprised and shocked but it's par for the course.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

124. Instead of admitting it several posters have doubled, tripled, quadrupled, and quintupled down.

SMH

[CorkySt.Clair]

126. The masks come off

[DemocratSinceBirth]

127. I would rather hang out with the wait staff at Caesars than...

[CorkySt.Clair]

129. Me too

I enjoyed seeing so many casino employees participating in the process. Hardworking folks who didn't have the privilege of attending a fancy liberal arts college.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

132. Precisely...

I have met so many immigrants who have told me how hard they work so their children won't have to.

Who would have "thunk" these people would be denigrated on a progressive board. Guess it goes to show what advocacy untethered from the bounds of decency, compassion, and propriety will get you.

[2pooped2pop]

148. I've tried to make you understand that this has nothing to with the status of the casino worker

And everything to do with low life cheating. You chose to act like you don't get it. This kind of "innocent shit" seems to follow Clinton. Spin spin spin.

I'm truly sorry for any comprehension problems you are having. Perhaps you could get it looked into with single payer.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

153. I thought you said you were leaving.

I thought you said you were leaving :

Lol bye bye

I'm truly sorry for any comprehension problems you are having. Perhaps you could get it looked into with single payer.

I actually get Medi Cal because of the expansion of the program due to the Affordable care Act but your concern is duly noted.

[2pooped2pop]

146. Right only those working people should not have to stand in line.

The other working people can just go to hell then?

You Clinton supporters were really going out of your way to try to guide this in another direction. But I thank you because you have caused me to understand that the people in question were the ones brought in as a favor.

[CorkySt.Clair]

149. I guess I missed the part where I said that

But feel free to keep on bleating!

[2pooped2pop]

154. Thanks for your support in allowing me to go on bleating

I can't even begin to tell you how important it is to me that you are going to allow me to continue. I will always be in your debt.

[uponit7771]

181. +1

[DemocratSinceBirth]

182. This isn't grandstanding. I mentioned it as it was occurring

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511284751

[amborin]

8. decks of cards used to split caucus ties:

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/la-na-live-updates-nevada-caucuses-south-carolina-primary-trailguide-02202016-htmlstory.html#3127

[dlwickham]

45. It's Vegas

[NWCorona]

9. That video is just one of the many issues

Coming out of Nevada. Taking Iowa into consideration, strange things are going on.
http://usuncut.com/politics/the-nevada-caucus-is-a-complete-fiasco/
If a repost I apologize

[onenote]

10. Holding the caucuses on a different day would have had a negligible impact

at least in terms of the Jewish vote.

In the 2012 elections, 3 percent of the electorate in Nevada was Jewish (consistent with Census data showing Jews make up 2.7 percent of the Nevada population).

The impact of the caucuses being held on a Saturday would be felt primarily among the Orthodox Jewish community, which nationally makes up only 10 percent of the Jewish population. A few Conservative Jews might have been impacted, but only a small percentage of Conservative Jews are so observant of the Sabbath that they would be unable/unwilling to participate in the caucuses. And, Orthodox Jews are more politically conservative and more likely to be Republicans than any other portion of the Jewish community. Also, while I haven't seen a new poll on the issue in some time, the older polls showed that Clinton had as much or greater support amongst Jewish Democrats as did Sanders.

All of which adds up to the number of additional Jewish voters who might have come out to vote on a different day of the week being so small as to not have any real impact on the outcome.

[brooklynite]

20. But that's not the point...the point is to find something new to complain about.

[2pooped2pop]

62. Perhaps it is for you. I asked several legitimate questions

They should have been easily answered without anger and snark. There is a shitload to complain about Clinton. These simple questions pale in comparison.

[onenote]

119. I answered one of your questions without anger or snark.

[2pooped2pop]

155. And I thank you

It was well written and makes sense.

[appalachiablue]

82. Most primary & caucus elections are held on Tuesday, but there are some

on Saturday & Sunday which not only effects workers but some observant religious groups but to what extent as you say.

Saturday, March 26 is the Dem. Caucus date for Alaska (20), Hawaii (34), Washington (118), total 172 delegates.

http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2016-presidential-primary-schedule-calendar/

[NWCorona]

11. Here's some more information in regards to the video

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/more-dirty-tricks-hillary-nevada/ri12975

[Waiting For Everyman]

12. Here's the direct youtube link, it's a TYT video

Very, very interesting.

This is like third world nonsense. Way to go, Harry Reid!

[NWCorona]

13. Yeah I'm a subscriber to that channel. Very addictive

Let's see if Nevada releases the raw numbers.

I'd like to have faith in the election process but that was
shattered long ago.

[Bubzer]

16. Wow....

Of COURSE Hillary can't win without shenanigans... *smh*

This should probably get its own post.

[book_worm]

14. "so so important jobs" you sound so elitist.

[2pooped2pop]

36. werent these casino workers?

Why are their jobs treated differently? Doesnt everyone else have just as much need to get back to work?
I must be missing something.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

44. No

2pooped2pop
36. werent these casino workers?
View profile
Why are their jobs treated differently? Doesnt everyone else have just as much need to get back to work?
I must be missing something.

No, more classist analysis...

I am sure LeBron James gets more leeway in missing work or being late for work than the janitor at Quicken Loans Arena.

This is a teachable moment. Peer into your conscience, eschew your classist analysis, and grasp this opportunity to stand with your fellow proletariat with both hands.

[2pooped2pop]

54. Really? They were not casino workers?

Then who were they? You think I am judging them for being casino workers. The only reason I see them as getting preferential treatment in an area that was Hillary dominated is that they had to get back to work. Didn't the janitor at other places need to get back to work? Why were these jobs so important that they got to skip through the regisyreation process? The only reason I see is because some corporate entity didn't want to loose money by letting their workers go vote.
So why special treatment?

Wait a minute...who was it that was suppose to have made some kind of deal to send voters in? Shit I gotta find it and see if it'related. Lol sorry, I read something last night that I need to go reread. Did it have to do with Reid?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

61. I regret you don't find hotel/casino wait staff important enough to vote.

I regret you don't find hotel/casino wait staff important enough to vote:

So they could get back to their so so important jobs:

And if you believe that our proletarian brothers and sisters acted unlawfully here is the address of the Nevada Attorney General:



Adam Paul Laxalt
Office of the Attorney General
Grant Sawyer Building
555 E. Washington Avenue, Suite 3900
Las Vegas, NV 89101
Telephone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

so you can share your allegation of illegal activity with him.

You're welcome

[2pooped2pop]

64. Can you even read. No one has said any such thing.

Of course they should vote. The question is why are they so much more important than all of the people voting in other , perhaps non Hillary areas? Why is the work of casino workers above everyone else? Why?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

70. Of course I can read

Can you even read. No one has said any such thing.

Of course I can read, but I am not surprised that someone who would disparage and denigrate the work of maids, bartenders, janitors, and other hotel/casino wait staff:

So they could get back to their so so important jobs

would patronize me.

[TheFarS1de]

96. But you do have a talent

for ignoring the actual point of a discussion . You fixate on component , straw man it and are deliberately obtuse with every reply . In short you are dogmatically rude . If you can't discuss a point then refrain from your circular non answers .

[DemocratSinceBirth]

98. I wear your attacks like a medal.

But you do have a talent for ignoring the actual point of a discussion . You fixate on component , straw man it and are deliberately obtuse with every reply . In short you are dogmatically rude .

I wear the attacks of you and your associates like a medal, I truly do.

If you can't discuss a point then refrain from your circular non answers .

I find your commands from the anonymity of an internet connection risible.

[TheFarS1de]

101. You remind me of my Parrot

Not much of a conversationalist .

[DemocratSinceBirth]

109. More ad hominem attacks

TheFarS1de (547 posts)
101....You remind me of my Parrot...

I wear them like a medal...

You gave me some advice... Now, I will give you some... Your repartee is hackneyed and cliched. Try to step up your game. Maybe you can try your brickbats on your parrot.

[2pooped2pop]

157. That's it exactly.

[Wellstone ruled]

89. Read John Ralston's

article in the Reno Gazette,Ralston sat on his info since Wednesday when this all went down.

[SunSeeker]

51. You're mising the fact that if they lose their jobs, they and their family will be homeless.

Low wage workers live on the edge, paycheck to paycheck. They and their family depend on that paycheck to put a roof over their heads and food on their table. They can't risk being fired for being late. Their job is literally keeping them and their family alive. Yes, it is "so so important." Your condescending, clueless remark is truly shocking to see on this board.

[2pooped2pop]

69. That's thee same for all voters in all areas. Why are the casino workers special?

Is it because they were in high Hillary areas? Why does the janitor in High Bernie areas still have to risk his job. And which casinos were they and were their big shots have Hillary connections?

[SunSeeker]

165. I was addressing your mockery of the importance of these workers' jobs.

I see you make no attempt to defend your repulsive tone.

[2pooped2pop]

168. By saying so so important

It was in comparison to all of the other workers who did not get special treatment. In addition I believe it was a deal made as a favor to Clinton to allow these workers to go vote as long as it didn't keep them from making money for the rich deal makers. This is why the so so. Why are their jobs given preferential treatment to bypass the rules while in Bernie heavy areas waiting in long lines was fine?

This has nothing to do with the casino workers and has to do with the games being played. I'm sure all of yhe Hillary supporters that are trying to spin it as a dis of the worker are smart enough to know the truth of the poist, but are unsuccessfully trying tho hide more bullshit from the Hillary camp by trying to spin it.

[SunSeeker]

169. That was an odd way of saying all that.

[2pooped2pop]

170. Ok

so many of her supporters spent a lot of time pretending they could not comprehend. It's been pretty obvious that they don't want the question asked. Of course that tells us we were on the right track

[Kittycat]

78. They were protected

It was reported that Reid called the casinos to let the workers go, and no one said no. So workers were allowed to go down and caucus. I don't think any of it excuses allow unregistered voting. I just can't agree to that.

[SunSeeker]

163. You do not know they were "protected."

No casino made guarantees that I am aware of. Some allowed limited time off to Caucus but not all. And not all workers work for casinos.

Either way, it is inexcusable to mock the importance of these workers' jobs.

[Kittycat]

166. I didn't mock it, nor did I support it.

But I also don't support allowing any unregistered voter in to caucus or vote. Regardless of candidate or party affiliation. Do you?

[questionseverything]

137. ok so from now on no one has to be registered to vote?

so that the idea is, if it "took too long", don't bother?

[SunSeeker]

167. Are you OK with the poster mocking the importance of these workers' jobs?

This gratuitous mocking is what I was addressing.

What to do when workers can no longer wait is another question, and can be addressed without mocking these workers' "so, so important" jobs.

[questionseverything]

179. everyone should be treated the same

letting people vote who are not registered is giving this one bunch of "workers" preferential treatment

other people were still in the line to register

[Kittycat]

68. I agree, piss poor choice of words. However...

When it came up yesterday that Reid was out notifying bosses to get workers to the polls, and some called foul, being the true progressive - Inwas torn wanting more info. I think more should have been done to get everyone out to caucus, not just the preferred class of voters. I asked if he called on just a favorable group, or all over - and didn't get a response.

I'm in a Super Tuesday blue state with early voting, and plenty of poll locations on voting day. We complain that we don't have enough early voting options. Caucusing seems to disenfranchise far too many, imo. In addition, it sets up a hostile environment with workers and bosses openly competing in the same space. Not cool.

But to circle back to the topic, what if those were Bernie voters unregistered? Would you be upset? I don't care who it is, I'm upset. Caucus rules suck, but we do need to make sure voters are registered, and they get a chance to cast a valid vote. Caucus or voting booth. Period.

[2pooped2pop]

72. When I asked the question I had not gotten

Far enough to put casino workers together with high Hillary turnout. I was just wanting to know wtf happened there either way. It wasn't until just a bit ago due to all of the Hillary people trying to make it a thing about casino workers themserkves that it dawned on me that Hillary had won the casinos and that this was starting to stink.

[Kittycat]

79. I agree with all of your bullet point questions

Very valid concerns. No, it's not legal to allow individuals that aren't registered or validated to vote. Otherwise, what's the Chicago saying? Vote early, vote often?

[GreatGazoo]

174. There is nothing "elitist" about wanting a clean primary.

Is it elitist to point that the caucus in this video was a utterly embarrassing clusterfudge ?

[highprincipleswork]

15. You know, it's all in who you know around here. Not the quality of what you will do or

at least try to do for the people.

I'm for Bernie because I know he will stick up for me, to the very best of his ability. I'm against Hillary because I know deep through personal experience that she will not. In fact, she will work against my interests, on many, many occasions. Not every one, but more occasions that I would even like to contemplate.

[brooklynite]

17. Was that legal? Yes.

This is a Party Caucus. They can run things however they want.

BTW - you can point to the Sanders campaign's complaint, can't you?

[NWCorona]

21. But it was clearly against the rules.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. Hotel wait staff voting is against the rules?

[NWCorona]

29. The rules state that caucus goers must register first.

[AzDar]

37. Period. And the group in question did NOT... that's cheating.

[Karmadillo]

25. Rules are for little people.

[brooklynite]

35. If Sanders wasn't worried about making an accommodation, neither am I.

[UglyGreed]

19. Maybe Project Veritas

Will look into it? I'm sure some here will approve of their results......

[Karmadillo]

23. The answers to your questions will be attached to the released transcripts of Hillary's

speeches to her Wall Street patrons.

[griloco]

28. Much ado....

"Who can participate in the caucus?
Any person who is eligible to vote in the state of Nevada and will be at least 18 years old on Election Day, November 8, 2016, may participate. You must reside in the precinct in which they wish to participate, and must be registered as a Democrat — you may register or change party affiliation on caucus day."

http://action.nvdems.com/page/content/caucus_faq/

[NWCorona]

31. And must register first.

[griloco]

39. how was the outcome affected? nt

[NWCorona]

41. Affected? There's reports of people leaving due to long lines and

Disorganization but this people, all Hillary supporters, walked right in.

[Thor_MN]

56. Have you ever participated in a caucus?

Caucuses don't create lines, unless large groups of people show up at the last minute. If you get there late, after it starts, you have only yourself to blame.

Please cite your proof the "this people" "walked right in" and were 100% Clinton supporters.

At the one site that was filmed that everyone is talking about (with an obviously biased reporter) the results would indicate that Clinton got over 2/3rds support. How did "this people" affect that? Do you have

[NWCorona]

60. People were waiting to register and that's why they breezed on past

Supposedly

[Thor_MN]

66. So you are complaining because you heard on the internet

that people who waited until the last minute to register, who think that "some people" bypassed the process and were 100% Clinton supporters?

Wow, that's a ton of evidence that proves you didn't get your way...

[NWCorona]

76. No. It's evidence that the rules weren't followed.

It's you that's trying to spin the situation. The video speaks for itself.

[Thor_MN]

84. The single video is from a biased source.

There's no proof in it of statewide problems or any evidence of anything other than a overwhelmed caucus official.
Once the totals are taken, everyone who isn't interested in being a delegate to the next level can leave, there's no point in staying.

The clearly harried official apologized for not making the announcement on delegates that he was supposed to make before people started leaving, but there's not a problem with that. Once the delegates are apportioned, people who are interested in and having the time to attend the next level caucus vie (more commonly are asked "We need three more!!&quot to become the delegates. Who they are doesn't change a thing.

Do you have any experience with caucuses, or are you just repeating internet talking points? From what I've heard so far, the answer appears to be no and "spin" is all on you. You appear to have nothing other than a biased video and hurt feelings.

[NWCorona]

90. I'm not saying that it happened state wide. Only that the rules weren't followed.

[Thor_MN]

100. Again, you dodge questions.

I'll take your lack of a response to mean that you have no experience with caucuses and thus don't know what you are talking about.

What rules were specifically broken? Can you point out what they are and at what time in the video that they occurred? The video was apparently filmed at one of nine At Large caucus locations, specifically for shift workers, as opposed to the 1700+ regular caucus sites.

The 19 state delegates apportioned in the video represent 0.16% of the total state delegates. Less than 2 tenths of 1%. And you are going to cry conspiracy based on an edited video from a biased source?

Please cite the specific rules which were broken and your proof for them.



Full disclosure: I haven't made my mind up yet, I just don't like non-factual "evidence".

[NWCorona]

107. Here you go

"Basic Caucus Process: First, you will register or sign in at your caucus location. The precinct chair will welcome you and explain the rules. "
- The first and most basic rule wasn't followed. To think that there's any kind of controls to make sure all of the people who didn't register do so afterwards is laughable.

https://nvsos.gov/index.aspx?page=1543

[Thor_MN]

110. You stated a rule. You avoided proving that a violation of that rule occured.

And completely ignore that it was an apparently At Large Caucus, almost guaranteed to be a cluster.

Please provide the basis to your claim that the "rule violators" were all Clinton supporters.

On the face of it, you appear to have nothing other than hurt feelings that your choice of candidate didn't win.

George W Bush was known to be a "take the ball and go home" sort of loser. That sort of sentiment from people that support your guy (To be clear, I am not claiming that includes you) are turning me off towards Sanders, which is a shame as I think he has some good ideas.

[NWCorona]

115. I can see it's gonna be spin from you

so I'll ask what you asked of me. Provide a link that shows that this is permitted. I've provided a link from the Secretary of State of Nevada that clearly lays out the process.

Also since you keep on saying that im dodging. What questions do you want me to answer?

[Thor_MN]

175. Prove that what is permitted?

You are spinning so fast you can't remember where you are.

I'll give you a hint. Anything with a ? at the end, is a question. Go back and read what I've posted. Try to picture it without the disappointment, from a neutral setting. So far, all you have done is whine that something must be wrong because your preconceived notion of how it should have played didn't happen.

You are the one making a claim of problems, you have the burden of proof. Show me the rule breaking.

[griloco]

106. But the outcome was unaffected...so...much ado...&

Last count 11835 votes in 1634 precincts
The math: 7.2 votes per precinct. How long could the lines have been?

[NWCorona]

108. I think you need to read some of the stuff coming out of

Nevada. Long lines, not enough voting materials, inefficient staffing. All leading to people leaving early. Especially the disabled.

[griloco]

114. I read this and the outcome was unaffected

Both Clinton and Sanders took to Twitter to encourage caucusgoers to remain in line as early entrance polls suggested a tight race.

Clinton tweeted: “Stay in line, Nevada! You can still caucus if you’re in line.”

Sanders tweeted a similar request: “If you're in line to caucus, DO NOT LEAVE! You don't need ID to caucus or to register to vote. Any issues? Call 702-778-4336.”

He also sent a similar message in Spanish.

[NWCorona]

116. That's your opinion. I say it's to early to tell.

[griloco]

120. and note, The Bern was tweeting no need to register..

Which makes this thread much ad....o never mind.
This is just too much ado for me

[NWCorona]

121. Can you supply the tweet?

It might be in regards to the caucuse rule change allowed by the DNC to allow registration at the caucuse sites. I need the context of the tweet.

[griloco]

122. naw. just more ado...nt

[NWCorona]

125. Then why even bother engaging in the discussion?

[griloco]

128. I know right. I always vote Democratic anyway.

[griloco]

130. and with the Republicans so screwed up...

(vocals around1:22)

[olddots]

133. much ado about nothing ?

about democracy ? about equality ? Maybe much ado about nothing for you because you seem to be against what you consider nothing .

[griloco]

136. i can only repeat...

[Trajan]

131. Thanks for revealing your essential anti-democratic character

No wonder you support Hillary ..

Gone

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. Is their any evidence that unregistered people voted?

That seems like a claim those on the right side of the aisle would make.

[NWCorona]

43. The chair said they'd register after voting so I'd say yes.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. The caucus gets to set their own rules...

Why are you intent on undermining the credibility of our proletarian brothers and sisters who toil anonymously as maids, janitors, bartenders, and security at the hotels/casinos of Las Vegas?

As I said to one of your associates I can not express my profound sadness that a person who holds himself out as a progressive would so casually dismiss the work of maids, janitors, bartenders, and other casino/hotel wait staff...

My sadness is only mitigated by the fact that Senator Sanders eschews your classist analysis.

In this instance I stand with Senator Sanders and my proletarian brothers and sisters as they exercise their franchise and try to affect the democratic process.

You should stand by them too.

[NWCorona]

49. But were those rules followed?

If not, questions should be asked. Right?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

53. Here is the address of the Nevada Attorney General

Here is the address of the Nevada Attorney General:

Adam Paul Laxalt
Office of the Attorney General
Grant Sawyer Building
555 E. Washington Avenue, Suite 3900
Las Vegas, NV 89101
Telephone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

If you believe criminal activity occurred you can share it with him.

You're welcome.

[NWCorona]

57. And thank you but you didn't answer my question

[DemocratSinceBirth]

65. My remarks require no further elucidation beyond...

It is my understanding caucuses make their own rules...If you believe evil was afoot I was kind enough to provide an avenue to bring it to light.

[NWCorona]

74. I'm not denying that the DNC makes the rules

But those rules weren't followed. I asked if you are OK with that and you don't want to answer.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

81. I don't believe anything untoward occurred

I don't believe anything untoward occurred but if you do, here is the address of the DNC:

Democratic National Committee
430 South Capitol St. SE
Washington, DC 20003
Main phone number: 202-863-8000

to bring the untoward behavior you allege to occur to their attention.


You're welcome.

[NWCorona]

83. I disagree but Fair enough

[DemocratSinceBirth]

87. Have a great rest of the weekend. I do respect your passion./nt

[NWCorona]

91. Thanks and same to you!

[Lucinda]

140. It doesn't say register "first" n/t

[dana_b]

141. check the Nevada SOS office:

https://nvsos.gov/index.aspx?page=1543

Date: Saturday, February 20, 2016.

Detailed Caucus Information: Please visit the Nevada Democratic Party website at http://nvdems.com/.

Eligible Participants: Open to all registered Democrats. If you are not already registered but eligible to vote, you may complete a registration form and participate on the day of the caucus. If you will be 18 by November 8, 2016 and are otherwise eligible to vote, you may participate in the caucus.

Caucus Locations: To Be Announced. Please click here for a list of caucus training events.

Sign-In: To Be Announced.

Basic Caucus Process: First, you will register or sign in at your caucus location. The precinct chair will welcome you and explain the rules. Next, the precinct chair will count all the attendees and determine the minimum number of people that must be in a candidate's group to be awarded a delegate.
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So yes, everyone should register first.

[Lucinda]

142. No, it says what the process is, not that they wouldn't make exceptions for outstanding turnout.

We are not usually in the habit of turning away voters who are actually present on time to vote. Those people were granted time off their jobs to vote, and didn't have the luxury of time that voters who had a day off had, and who could hang around longer.

That said, I'd like to see something like Hillary's 20 day vote option put in place for elections, and the caucus system to go.

[NWCorona]

156. Does it say after? Lol

[Lucinda]

158. Nope.

[malletgirl02]

33. Ageist Post nt.

[Kang Colby]

38. No, not at all.

Look up the definition of geriatric and socialist, describes Sanders to a T. He's just geriatric.

[malletgirl02]

46. Well if you are going to be like that

Hillary is also geriatric. I said it was ageist, because it implies it is something wrong with being old.

[warrprayer]

152. *plonk*

[jtuck004]

48. Do you point out, say, Obama's skin color, or like the Republican Evilhair, women's looks? Or just

confine your not so subtle bigotry to age?

[jtuck004]

77. "At Sander's age, mental faculties start to slip" -See, this is where ignorance starts to slip in.

Last edited Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:53 PM - Edit history (1)

Not his.

Research into learning and thinking tells us his "faculties"may be better than yours, without any specific evidence. Many people, as they get older, in the absence of disease, don't have any trouble with learning what they need to know. What they refuse to do is jump through the hoops that younger and less able people can frequently be persuaded to for some illusory future reward. Because now they know better.

Also, he has actually accomplished things, and is continuing to do so, not just wasting other's time. You understand that, I am sure.

There is a whole field of Adult Education you might read up on, but after you google an elementary philosophy page and look up "logical fallacies". You obviously haven't thought this through.

It's interesting that you would rather spend your time as an opponent of someone who has voted with an is running with your own party. You are a real asset to the leader of the other party.

Through wasting my time, though. Don't bother.

[elehhhhna]

138. Lol he's 5 years older than Hrh. Who had a big head injury not long ago. Wow.

[sulphurdunn]

50. When all animals are equal,

but some animals are more equal than others, the fix is in.

[Politicalboi]

55. I'm sure it wasn't legal

And I'm sure they didn't go back to register. HilLIARy cheated AGAIN. We need to get tougher on her. Expose every silly little lie she's told. Check and see who Bubba has been exposing himself to these days. And let's have a reunion of the famous 4 women that we know of that were once in Bill Clinton's pants, I mean life.

[HooptieWagon]

58. They were also paid.

Per a report that Harry Reid asked the casino owned to give workers time off with pay to caucus. Others who left before caucusing due to long lines likely had to return to work or class. Leads me to believe the long lines were intentional.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

71. What will be your excuse when Senator Sanders gets walloped in South Carolina?

I want time to fashion my response.


Thank you in advance.

[HooptieWagon]

75. I don't expect him to win SC.

What will you say when Clinton gets walloped in Mn, Wi, Mass, Oh, and elsewhere?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

85. I will say she will have an insurmountable and demonstrable

I don't expect him to win SC.
What will you say when Clinton gets walloped in Mn, Wi, Mass, Oh, and elsewhere?

I will say she will have an insurmountable and demonstrable lead after Super Tuesday.


I would suggest "you are counting your chickens before they hatch" as he is trailing in Ohio:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/oh/ohio_democratic_presidential_primary-5313.html

trailing in Minnesota:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/mn/minnesota_democratic_presidential_caucus-3585.html

trailing in Wisconsin:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/wi/wisconsin_democratic_presidential_primary-3764.html

and trailing in Massachusetts:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ma/massachusetts_democratic_presidential_primary-3891.html


Now all that might change but as of now he's losing!

Hillary is Smokey The Bear and putting out The Bern.

[HooptieWagon]

95. Gap in NV was nearly 30 at Christmas...

He closed it to 5 in a couple weeks of campaigning. Not worried at all he can close the gap in other states. His funding remains strong, Clinton's donors are maxed out. He continues to show how corrupt the DNC is, and Clinton continues to burn her bridges with support she would need in the general. I'm not worried.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

103. Senator Sanders..

His funding remains strong.

The evidence suggests he's "berning" through cash like a sailor on leave:

WAPO- Bernie Sanders is burning through cash
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/02/20/bernie-sanders-is-burning-through-cash/

By Matea Gold February 20 at 10:56 PM

Sen. Bernie Sanders drastically ramped up his campaign's spending in January as the Democratic primary contest engaged, racing through nearly $35 million as he worked to try to match the infrastructure that former secretary of state Hillary Clinton built over the course of last year.

As a result, even though he outraised her for the first time, Clinton expanded her cash lead by the end of the month. After spending $21.2 million in January, Clinton ended the month with nearly $33 million in the bank. Sanders had almost $14.7 million.

The more it becomes clear he can't win the more likely it becomes the donations will slow.

[tblue37]

67. It made me think of the long lines, insufficient numbers of voting machines, and

voting machines breaking down to cause even longer lines in districts that lean dem, especially if the districts have large minority populations. Long lines disenfanchise those whose lives are constrained in such ways that they can't wait endlessly, as well as those who are new to the process.

[tammywammy]

73. Did the Sanders campaign precinct captain complain?

[jillan]

86. Hopefully this is being investigated. In a caucus the # of votes must = the # registered at each

precinct.

If those numbers add up - no problem.

Did the numbers add up? That's what needs to be answered.

[democrattotheend]

113. I really don't think it is a good idea to focus too much on this

Not because fair elections are not important, but because I really don't want to give fodder to Republicans looking for support for their argument that "voter fraud" is a huge problem that needs restrictive laws to combat it.

[stopbush]

134. Setting aside your appaling dig at people working casino jobs:

1. Was it legal? Yes. This is a caucus being held and run by a political party that the SCOTUS has ruled is a private enterprise that can set their own rules on how they choose their candidates. Anything they decide is "legal" is legal in the broad sense of the word.

2. Don't know

3. Probably because the casino workers were voting in the casinos in which they worked, so they would be easy to identify and easy to reconnect with after the vote was over. That would not be true in other precincts where people were doing same-day registrations and where there was no connection between voters and the party mechanism like there was in the casinos.

4. Since Hillary easily carried the Las Vegas area where over 2-million people live while Bernie carried the rural areas where few people live, one would assume the long lines were in Hillary country.

5. Don't know.

[Vinca]

135. The caucus system really stinks to high heaven.

I was wondering this morning how many casino workers who were sent out to caucus were American citizens and how many weren't. Are people who are not yet citizens allowed to vote in non state-sponsored elections? Did Harry Reid's phone call to union bosses urge them to caucus for Clinton and, if so, did the underlings feel their jobs were at risk if they didn't? Since it's not a private vote, the boss is going to know.

[dana_b]

139. according to the Nevada SOS office:

https://nvsos.gov/index.aspx?page=1543
Date: Saturday, February 20, 2016.

Detailed Caucus Information: Please visit the Nevada Democratic Party website at http://nvdems.com/.

Eligible Participants: Open to all registered Democrats. If you are not already registered but eligible to vote, you may complete a registration form and participate on the day of the caucus. If you will be 18 by November 8, 2016 and are otherwise eligible to vote, you may participate in the caucus.

Caucus Locations: To Be Announced. Please click here for a list of caucus training events.

Sign-In: To Be Announced.

Basic Caucus Process: First, you will register or sign in at your caucus location. The precinct chair will welcome you and explain the rules. Next, the precinct chair will count all the attendees and determine the minimum number of people that must be in a candidate's group to be awarded a delegate.
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So to answer your question, no, what they did was wrong. They should have registered first.

[Karma13612]

147. So, when do these anecdotal accounts actually get reviewed?

When do we see corrections made and things acknowledged?

I kinda get tired of the answer being:

Well, it wouldn'ta made a difference of more than one state delegate really.

So, if that happens in enough states, we are talking enough delegates to tip the race one way or the other.

And we cannot assume that the errors 'even out' in the end.

This is getting ridiculous.

Frustration with no recourse leads to revolt.

[dana_b]

150. I agree and I don't know

according to another poster up above because there were no stated exceptions to people who had to work that day and had limited time to vote, that it was okay for them to rush in, caucus and then register later. I guess the rules don't apply if you're busy?? Like they couldn't have registered last week when they weren't busy??

or was it because the Clinton campaign ran around and found a few people who weren't registered and begged them to come and vote? "It's okay, you can register later (when it actually WASN'T okay!) - you're busy. No one will dare question this!"

Such b.s. tactics.
"So, if that happens in enough states, we are talking enough delegates to tip the race one way or the other. "

Yep!! I don't know the answer. If those who are monitoring this stuff do not call it out, then I guess they all get away with it. Maybe they don't know the rules themselves.

[Karma13612]

171. gosh, I don't want to be melodramatic, but the future of our country is at stake

These Caucus rules, and lack there of, seem so arbitrary.

A little like the wild west and a free-for-all.

And primaries aren't immune.

You still have long lines, and issues with registrations that aren't discovered sometimes until "opening nite' when it's too late.

No wonder voters in this country are completely apathetic.

Talk about the deck being stacked against democracy.

[aaaaaa5a]

151. Funny, I thought Sanders was all about

new voters, registration drives and expanding the electorate.



I guess I was wrong.

[monicaangela]

178. I have come to the conclusion

that winning the caucus in Nevada and by so little proves the fact that the Clinton campaign isn't doing very well. Just look at this:




http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/02/20/3751818/nevada-caucus-chaos/

[jillan]

180. You know it's a mess when both sides were complaining

[Bernblu]

183. It's because Harry Reid and the casino owners don't give a damn about Democracy!

Third World or Third Way? You decide.