2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWAPO - Bernie Sanders is burning through cash
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/02/20/bernie-sanders-is-burning-through-cash/Sen. Bernie Sanders drastically ramped up his campaign's spending in January as the Democratic primary contest engaged, racing through nearly $35 million as he worked to try to match the infrastructure that former secretary of state Hillary Clinton built over the course of last year.
As a result, even though he outraised her for the first time, Clinton expanded her cash lead by the end of the month. After spending $21.2 million in January, Clinton ended the month with nearly $33 million in the bank. Sanders had almost $14.7 million.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)don't need anymore headaches.
Impedimentus
(898 posts)Will the Sanders campaign have to return $23M?
Does that mean my $10 donation could land me in Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary ?
I'm quaking in my boots.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Will the Sanders campaign have to return $23M?
I don't know. Will it? I don't know how that works.
Does that mean my $10 donation could land me in Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary ?
Don't be ridiculous.
I'm quaking in my boots.
No need to. Your $10 donation is well below the $2700 FEC limit. So no worries.
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)People who donate in small increments over time can wind up going over the limit without anyone realizing it for a while. The excess funds are given back by the campaign. That's it.
I accidentally did it myself when Howard Dean was running in 2004. Wish I had some more of that back now,but they sent me a check k for a little over $50. That was when I realized how much those $10-$20 donations added up to.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Ooh boy! Ooh boy!
Limitless cash! Who the fuck needs democracy when you can cave in to corporatism?
Yay! Legally fascist financing! It's the BEST!
Alfresco
(1,698 posts)lol
Karma13612
(4,554 posts)Since my funds are rather meager and I watch every dollar, it's hard to watch that gif
TimeToEvolve
(303 posts)the Banksters, Polluters, Private Imprisoners, and Warmongers will step in if the cash-pile gets too small...
us lowly proles, on the other hand....
Karma13612
(4,554 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Karma13612
(4,554 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Ah, yes--the MONEY roll!!!!
Karma13612
(4,554 posts)jonjon
(68 posts)a Hillary or Bush supporter!
Impedimentus
(898 posts)I suppose at the 5th grade level is might garner a few laughs.
artislife
(9,497 posts)brewens
(13,618 posts)purposes, I don't mind funding a candidate that I can trust to make that happen!
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)Mixed Field
"Social Security," Bernie 2016. Ace Score: 550
"Real Change (Revised)," Bernie 2016. Ace Score: 532
"Works For Us All," Bernie 2016. Ace Score: 523
"Mari," Bernie 2016. Ace Score: 519
"We The People," Carson America. Ace Score: 517
"Real Change," Bernie 2016. Ace Score: 514
"Working Families," Bernie 2016. Ace Score: 512
"Never Quit," Draft Biden. Ace Score: 512
"America: Never Give Up," Kasich for America. Ace Score: 508
"The Bottom 100 Million," Bernie 2016. Ace Score: 504
http://www.campaignlive.com/article/bernie-sanders-effective-political-ads-2016-presidential-race/1379312
djean111
(14,255 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)See how that works out?
unc70
(6,117 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)NMontana
(1 post)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)Rocky the Leprechaun
(222 posts)and will continue to donate even after I finish my March 1st caucus.
Clinton has hit a firewall of her own: Funds are running low.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)cited by the FEC? Does he intend to have his treasurer return the donations? That's a huge gap. $23 million dollars is not something to scoff at, especially with a campaign that's burning through cash the way the campaign has.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)It's like his college plan: don't worry - it will all come together!
Forward, Groundswellers!
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)And that dreamy college plan of his would entail Governors like Snyder and Walker to invest billions in their State's educational system to make happen. Now that's a dream!
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Political revolution!
I want to believe.
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)The IRS is hardly questioning that. All they did was tell the campaign that a small number of their small donors had exceeded the limit. This happens all the time. The campaigns write refund checks to the over supportive donors of the amount over the limit only.
Again, I'm quite certain you know this.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)The campaigns write refund checks to the over supportive donors of the amount over the limit only.
Then Bernie2016 has nothing to worry about.
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)The $21 million figure was just for January.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)2015. It's for his year-end report that covers 2015.
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)This is from Bain's Band's (Clinton supporter) post of February 12. I can't find anything else online in any way pertaining to your claim.
FEC requires Sanders campaign to account for contributions
exceeding legal limits. http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/12/f-e-c-tells-sanders-campaign-that-some-donors-may-have-given-too-much/?_r=3
The Federal Election Commission has asked the presidential campaign of Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont to re-examine contributions from more than a hundred donors who appear to have given more than the legally permissible amount.
The vast majority of the donors gave several small contributions to Mr. Sanders for the Democratic primary that eventually totaled more than the $2,700 limitccording to a letter the election commission sent to Mr. Sanders on Thursday.
Such glitches are common in political campaigns, which are required to track small donors and begin itemizing their contributions when their total reaches $200. That can be harder when donors use slightly different variations of their names or contribute from more than one address. Mr. Sanderss campaign may choose to refund the excess contributions or re-designate the excess for use in a general election campaign, when candidates can accept another $2,700.
This is where I found the post.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511219624
artislife
(9,497 posts)what goes around, comes around...but instead of stiffing small businesses this will be returning money into the pockets of the donors.
mythology
(9,527 posts)There might be some small amount, but the overwhelming majority will be fine.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)flowerpetal
(9 posts)I am all in! Feel the Bern!
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Figures you support HilLIARy. She laughs at the poor too.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)They live on her husband's income. Ha ha, indeed.
cleopotrick
(79 posts)...tomorrow I start a new job.
Which pays $25k a year and expects 60-80 hours a week! Bahahahahahaha
God bless the USA--where I went to college & law school to earn $6/hr
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)rise another $25k (projected) this year! Woot!
Karma13612
(4,554 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)And, of course, I'd want the Obama economy to continue!
cleopotrick
(79 posts)Congratulations on the raise (and the (projected) coming one!), but I was not celebrating my pittance. ~$6/hr hurts.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)That's against the law.
And thank you for the congrats.
artislife
(9,497 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)with two degrees, and you respond by bragging about your comfy income?
Disgusting, just disgusting.
Still shaking my head...
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)I would NEVER accept a job that pays less than the Fed. minimum wage - or State min. wage, at that. And I don't have two degrees.
all you want, but there's more to that story that we've not privy to.
Federal Minimum wage: $7.25
California minimum wage since January 1, 2016: $10 p/hr, $15 in Los Angeles and SanFran and other cities.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)who the company can classify as "management", they can indeed pay what would be equivalent to $6 an hour. He stated that he will be expected to work 60-80 hours a week, so it is quite possible that he is going to be some underpaid manager. And it is legal. There are many job classifications that do not pay overtime for work over 40 hours. But from your tower, you probably don't realize that.
Mother Of Four
(1,716 posts)When I read your bragging my jaw literally dropped.
At 25k a year in a salaried position 60 hours a week is 8.01 an hour, at 80 hours a week it's 6. But they can legally put on your paystub that you get 12. And yes, if they are salaried it's LEGAL for them to work someone so hard they drop below the minimum wage in hourly calculations.
480 dollars a week for breaking your back working. When my husband was civilian LEO that's about how much he made, after taxes and deductions it came to right around 385. 12 hour shifts, working rotating nights and days. With four kids all in public school the ONLY thing that kept us afloat was the fact that he was retired military. You're bragging about your income INCREASING by the same amount that person is earning.
Wow. Just F*ckin WOW. Empathy much?
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)cleopotrick
(79 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)For Hillary, that is.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)You could probably keep your change in your pocket.
She's got a few new BFFs to pump up the coffers
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)small.
Rocky the Leprechaun
(222 posts)Make sure you include it in the postage paid envelopes...
livetohike
(22,157 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)and as she gears up to win the nom and have to face the Republican and their unlimited money machine, I believe I'll raise the monthly.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)all around the internet.........
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Bern baby Bern!
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)She told Wallstreet to "cut it out" while her hand was out under the table.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)where he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of winning!
You would think his brain trust would forget about SC and try greener pastures but naw.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)in a GE.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)You have to win the primaries first, then worry about the GE.
artislife
(9,497 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)All of us. Every Dem. Make that donation!
DrDan
(20,411 posts)yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)The forces of Evil supply Hill with all the dirty cash she could ever hope for.
Evil always works in the service of evil.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)even in an era of social media.
This is why people thought Clinton's lock on the big donor money made her inevitable.
Sanders has shown an alternative works, when there is one well financed opponent.
If the dem primary looked like the Republicann primary, it's likely to not have worked. Until the R's get down to 2 or 3 candidates their collective spending will be astronomical with individually inadequate. That is Trump's advantage.
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)Response to Alfresco (Original post)
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nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Most of don't mind one bit. What we despise is funding fucked up wars and rebuilding the countries we destroyed and watching companies slide their businesses to Mexico or paying zero taxes and hiding their profits in some foreign bank.
Time for a change!
Karma13612
(4,554 posts)malletgirl02
(1,523 posts)If we have not been involved in so many wars we would have plenty of money for Bernie's plans. I think it is telling that Clinton supporters say that Bernie Sander's plans is about "free stuff", but they have nothing to say about all that money we use to fund wars and Wall Street bailouts.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,869 posts)What do you have to show for it?
riversedge
(70,287 posts)ForgoTheConsequence
(4,869 posts)Hillary sent them, there, Bernie made sure they had what they needed. BIG difference.
It's pretty sick that Hillary supporters think starting an illegal war is ok but it's a terrible thing to make sure the troops are taken care of once they get there......
frylock
(34,825 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Donald Dump as President.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Frankly, I've never fully understood why any campaign would want to cripple itself by rejecting any source of legal funding. Elections aren't won by NOT having enough cash to compete and advertize.
Oh, well.
Go, Hillary! We love you!
oasis
(49,401 posts)he wouldn't be able to raise a big donor dime from this point.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)Not much, but since small donations actually seem to matter to him I am happy to do it. I have been wanting to for a while but funds have been tight. I regret that I can't give him as much as I gave Obama in 2008, but I am not in as good of a financial situation now.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)Maybe Kerry would have won if he had.
Bernie Sanders understands that's what donations are for.
brooklynite
(94,713 posts)...shorter intervals and bigger States, many at the same time.
Rocky the Leprechaun
(222 posts)Cost money and time Clinton doesn't have.
Bernie? We are raising the cash for him and we don't need no steenking SuperPAC to do it!
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Beowulf
(761 posts)being expressed by Hillary supporters in this thread towards people who are struggling to get by and find some hope in Bernie Sanders' message. It's one thing to disagree, but to do so in a mocking tone from a position of privilege, well, that's Limbaugh's M.O.
And what am I to make of some of the avatars and gifs Hillary supporters use? Are her critics no more than dandruff flakes to be brushed off, insects to be crushed and exterminated? I assume you are including me in this "joke." Suggesting someone needs to die is right out of Ann Coulter's playbook.
Is this what it means to be a good Democrat?
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)Yesterday, after spending the day canvassing for Bernie in Kansas City, MO, I stopped off a local cafe/bar for a burger and a couple of beers.
I struck up a conversation with another Bernie supporter, not actively volunteering yet! This was a young African-American man. We both agreed that, what we really like about Bernie is the fact that he can identify with the great majority of working and middle-class people.
So, we had me: old, white guy, retired computer programmer, from a small-town, working class family, first in my family to finish college, and a 27-year old black guy, from a middle-class family, working as a kitchen manager. His aspiration is to own a restaurant of his own. Two people, with our own history of struggles and we relate to Bernie because we both believe he relates to us.
Neither of us thought that was true of Hillary.
A Little Weird
(1,754 posts)They are trying to slow the momentum of Bernie's campaign. The mean-spiritedness is an indication of how far to the right the party has gone, but we have a chance to turn things around. Hang in there!
Impedimentus
(898 posts)and former PUMAs. Perhaps they are the source of some of the mean-spiritedness you feel.
frylock
(34,825 posts)or lack thereof.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)record it all, and send Hillary a big 300 page PDF of their postings!
artislife
(9,497 posts)is that some of the screen names here will crash as hard.
I had a friend who was a single mom who was always just above the line month to month on her finances. She and other moms in the same boat had a round robin of childcare and food growing. Really cool. Anyway, when the bottom fell out in 2010, she said she and the others didn't notice any difference. It was just the same as it always had been.
We have to take the silver linings if that is all we get and ENJOY.
redwitch
(14,946 posts)But definitely not what it means to be a good Democrat.
Gothmog
(145,496 posts)Sanders tried to match these operations over a short period of time and burn though a ton of cash
frylock
(34,825 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)They may have focused too much on the early small states and now dont have enough for the big delegate rich states coming in the new few weeks.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Although in the defense of the Sanders campaign, they didn't have much choice. All that money was spent and it got him two close losses and one overwhelming win. Had he spent much less, he would have had two massive losses and one close win, and that likely would have pushed him out after Nevada.
As it is, Bernie will likely be out after Super Tuesday. So, in the end, all of that expenditure will probably buy the Sanders campaign 9-10 days of extra life.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)It will interesting to see what happens around here when that day comes.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)well that's not going to work we will donate more.
grntuscarora
(1,249 posts)Thanks for the reminder.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I think I've given about a tenth of what I may. And ActBlue lets me keep track. So keep bernin'!
dchill
(38,521 posts)We'll send him more.