Two virtual ties and one loss.

[seaotter]

A victory only in Hillary-land.

Her below expected performance clearly shows she is doomed. She will be beaten by every republican in the race.

When she finally does release the transcripts, her campaign will be over. We do not need another corporatist in office. We have had almost three decades of corporatists in the White House .

The turd way is the wrong way!

[awake]

1. One tie, one big loss and a narrow win

Hillary won yesterday not a tie but just a narrow win just enough to keep her alive if she had Lost yesterday she would have been toast today

[FloridaBlues]

103. Sorry to burst your bubble 6 points isn't close in politics

Reality 2 wins 1 lost for her. Many more wins coming up soon.

[azurnoir]

109. most of those victories will come in states that will almost certainly go GOP when it really counts

but do enjoy winning the battle

[onecaliberal]

2. Not to mention the fact that 30 and 40 point leads evaporated in less than 2 months.

[AllTooEasy]

96. Bernie still came in LAST place in Nevada

Last. SC will not be any different. Last. This delusional spin will not help Bernie.

Plus folks, we are only on our 3rd state. I believe we have a long way to go. The spin from both sides after these early results has been idiotic. I'm worried about what's coming after we get deeper into the race?

[onecaliberal]

98. 30 points poof into thin air... Must be devastating! I'd be worried too.

[TeddyR]

3. Two victories

And a loss still means Hillary is winning. The pointless attacks on the two candidates is irritating and a black eye on the Democrats.

[seaotter]

6. No real victories, she has consistently failed to come close to expectations.

A doomed campaign.
Hillary is a big loser to all Republicans in the general. She needs to realize the damage she will do by continuing her feeble effort. She can not seem to turn around her high negatives. People just do not like her.

[TeddyR]

47. What's a "real victory"?

A win is a win. Are you claiming she tied in Nevada?

And I agree that she's not a popular candidate and don't expect her negatives to turn around. Dems are stuck with two candidates I'm not particularly fond of for different reasons but I'll vote for whichever one is the nominee. The only way I would not vote for the Dem nominee is if it is Hillary and she's indicted for the email issues, which is a complete disaster scenario for Dems.

[seaotter]

53. The only "win" for Hillary that would matter is if she can move her negative numbers.

Anything else is just for nothing. Her negative numbers should be enough for her to go away, for the good of the party.

[panader0]

70. Three states so far--

She lost almost 20 points of her starting lead in Nevada, has lost her invincible national lead.
Admit it, Bernie is surging while Hillary is struggling and losing ground daily.

[PatrynXX]

92. I call Nevada a loss in theory

because she was supposed to win by 40 points not 5 poitns or 500 votes which to most people is a tie but compared to Iowa which was under 100 vote differce or much less was a virtual tie.

So one Narrow win, a Virtual Tie and a Big Loss the weight is tilted towards Bernie. He's still got the momentem and as long as she keeps attacking Democrats and going negative the bigger her loss in November will be.

[JDPriestly]

68. Hillary should drop out of the race. If Bernie can catch up this close to her in such a short

time, it is a sign that she is an extremely weak candidate. She has no business running.

She will disappoint everyone.

This race is about the issues.

And now that Bernie has come out on the right side, on the morally right side, on all the issues, Hillary should end her campaign.

No matter what happens, the young people in the Democratic Party are going to want the stands Bernie has taken on the issues to prevail. The young people are the future.

Let's say that Hillary wins the White House in November based on the support of the oldsters. (I'm not sure she can win. In fact I doubt she can.) All she does, all she advocates for, will be viewed as less than what is really needed and wanted by voters, especially the young voters who will still be around at the end of her four-year term.

Hillary can't win even if she "wins" the majority of the votes. Why? Because her platform, her ideas are losing.

The fact that Bernie has risen in the polls and won the only primary election that has been held thus far in a state in which Democrats have the support to win in November should be a sign to Hillary that if she wins and fails to implement or at least argue and work for Bernie's ideas after the November election, she will lose to Bernie's ideas.

The idea of free tuition at state colleges and universities is an idea whose time has come.

The idea of single payer or at least a public option that by-passes the for-profit health insurance companies -- an idea whose time has come.

The idea of ending private prisons and revamping our justice system -- an idea whose time has come.

And though it is not an idea that enthralls me personally, the idea of taking marijuana off the list of controlled substances -- an idea whose time has come.

Hillary is behind the times. Even if she wins the nomination, she will soon find out that she cannot govern. She will lose the support of the people.

Hillary is out of sync with where our country, our young people, are going. She should drop out of the race.

Bernie is in tune with the times.

Especially on the environment.

[DrDan]

85. her deciding to "drop out of the race" seems to me to be the only way BS will be around in Nov

[JDPriestly]

111. Why do you support Hillary?

Which of her stands on the issues do you agree with?

[DrDan]

112. electability

I also do not see Bernie as a leader. He has grand ideas - many of which I agree with. However, he has never been someone who get put his ideas into practice.

I think incrementalism is the way to make progress. Must be patient and take small steps. Hillary is the person to do that.

[giftedgirl77]

4. I bet your parents always told you that your team won huh?

This is what happens when children aren't taught healthy competition.

[seaotter]

7. What a crock of shit, that's all you have?

FAIL.

[giftedgirl77]

9. When you call 5 points a tie that's all I need.

[BlueMTexpat]

29. It's actually closer to six.

[seaotter]

41. After squandering a 25 point lead in two weeks.

Hellava candidate.

Unless she can move her negatives in some substantial way, she will not be able to win the general. Her denial of this fact points to her flawed candidacy.

[BlueMTexpat]

42. I'll take a six point win

over a 25 point polling lead any day.

Please proceed.

[seaotter]

46. Without DNC shenanigans , she would not have been able to pull that off

Even by here fingertips.
She can not win in the general election without moving her negative numbers. She has yet to show any ability to do that.

Fatally flawed candidate. If she had any integrity , she would bow out before there is further damage done. The indictment hanging over her does not help, and does not seem to be going away.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. No need to disrespect gifted girl like that.

It doesn't reflect well on you.

[seaotter]

39. The. Disrespect went the other way.

No apologies from me.

[zappaman]

11. Yup.

[SidDithers]

22. Nailed it...

"Good Job!!"

Sid

[treestar]

23. +1

Delusional spin.

[seaotter]

33. Cite me one example where Hillary has been able to move her negatives in the right way.

She has shown that she can't . If. The DNC continues to prop up this candidate we will lose. A Hillary "win" is a Democratic Party loss in the general. If not for DNC shenanigans , she would be sitting on three losses.
The corporatist turd way will be the doom of the party.

[nolabels]

63. I will cite you three losses, Dukakis, Kerry, Gore

All three corporate America had their fingerprints all over. The other two guys, Clinton and Obama only got in by default because corporate America was in the belly-up position at the time. You are correct about the DNC and the corporate chutzpah behind it. If anyone tells you different they are prevaricating and at best, just lying to themselves

[DemocratSinceBirth]

81. All three would have won with today's demographic composition of the electorate:

http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-1988/

http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2000/


http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2004/


it's a bit dicier with Kerry, though...

[nolabels]

97. And the minute the Chutzpah sees a part of some coalition they latch on, take over and control

they jump on it like mother hawks. It has nothing to do with ideology, but only bringing home the spoils. The minute the corporate funded republican operatives saw the born again's softening for Carter, they latched on to to it with all kinds of sweetheart B.S. to swing it to Reagan. They were attempting some type of similar takeover with larger chunks of the Hispanic community a few years back, around the Bill Clinton's time but seems to have failed since.

The M.O. don't change much just the players

[DemocratSinceBirth]

100. I don't believe Trump will help them with their Hispanic outreach...

The Carter electoral map was an electoral aberration. The same solid south* that went for him in 76 went for Reagan in 80, sans Carter's home state of Georgia.


*Carter carried every state of the Old Confederacy except Virginia.

[nolabels]

108. Trump and Hispanic outreach pitted together would seem more bombastic than a Peter Sellers movie

Clouseau interrogates the staff

[Starry Messenger]

26. LOL

[LeFleur1]

45. Yes, That is Probably Correct.

A basketball win in overtime is really a tie or loss.

A three point win in football is a virtual tie.

If the Homecoming Queen/Prince each won by three or less votes, they actually lost.

Soccer? Has to be a 10 point spread or it's a tie.

Silliest idea ever. A winner is a winner. Hillary won. Stop whining and deal with it.

[seaotter]

48. This is not a game.

She is a fatally flawed candidate who can not win the general election. Nominate her, we lose the White House.
She has shown that she is unable to move her negative numbers, no matter what she does. Her turd-way time has passed.

[JDPriestly]

73. Just wait. Hillary's ideas appeal to old people.

If she wins the nomination, her negatives will be a big problem in November.

Let's say she wins in November. Bernie's ideas and proposals will be out there like a thorn in her foot. At every turn, young Democrats will ask why they still have to borrow so much money to get a college education.

Without single payer or a public option, she will not be able to deal with the growing epidemic of addiction in our country.

She will invest too many of our resources into wars we should not fight and cannot win. As long as she adheres to the theories of Kissinger (her adviser, remember the debate), she will be sinking money and human resources into those kinds of wars. She is not the best on foreign policy. Bernie is. He is the one who asks the right questions.

And yes, at 72 years, let me tell you that what appears to be a win is often a loss. If (I'm a woman so I say this from a woman's point of view) you marry a guy for the wrong reasons, you think you are winning but you really lost. I've seen that over and over.

Hillary has so many negatives because she is dishonest. Sorry. But she is. She is trained as a lawyer. When she gave a speech saying that she believed that marriage was a religious rite, she should have remembered what she surely learned in law school -- marriage is not just a religious rite but more importantly, a legal relationship. You can go through the religious rite and be "married" in the eyes of your religion, but you don't get that income tax status as a married person unless you are married in the eyes of the government, unless you have a legally recognized marriage -- a marriage in the eyes of the law. Surely she knew that marriage is first and foremost a legal relationship. She either lied or is not that bright. Sorry. But that is a fact.

Hilary just is not the right candidate. And if she wins, she will soon learn that she lost to Bernie's ideas because the pressure to fight for and implement Bernie's policies will haunt her entire presidency. Everyone will compare what she is to what Bernie would have been.

[NurseJackie]

86. There you have it!

[HubertHeaver]

106. Did your parents tell you "winning is the only thing"?

What ever it takes, win?

[72DejaVu]

5. "A victory only in Hillary-land."

Hillary-land"?

Oh, you mean the United States.

[seaotter]

10. No, I mean the small minority of people who think Hillary is " honest and trustworthy"

Certainly NOT even close to "The United States".

The people do not like or trust her, and she seems unable to turn that around. She will lose big in the general , even to the trumpster.

[72DejaVu]

15. And you find that prospect amusing?

Interesting perspective for a Democrat.

[seaotter]

19. No, I find it quite disturbing.

That is why it would be best for her to pull out before she does more damage.

She still has an indictment hanging over her head. Not a good thing in a general election.

Her own admission that her e-mail dicision was a mistake is true, I think it was an unforced error in judgment that many voters will not forgive her for.

Unless she can move the needle on her truth and trust issues she is a fatally flawed candidate.

[geek tragedy]

8. There were no participant ribbons handed out yesterday, Clinton won--narrowly, but she

won.

[seaotter]

13. She, again failed to perform to expectations.

Loss.

[geek tragedy]

16. no, winning is winning, losing is losing.

there is no penalty on delegates awarded on the basis of expectations

[seaotter]

28. If she wins the nomination , the Democrats lose the White House.

Her negatives a far to large to eke a win. She seems to be unable to move those numbers. A seriously flawed candidate doomed to lose the general, even to the likes of trump.

[geek tragedy]

32. both Clinton and Sanders suck as candidates.

Sanders has better ideas. But neither of them is 1/10th the candidate that Obama was.

[TeddyR]

50. My sentiments exactly

I'll support whomever Dems nominate but I am frankly shocked and puzzled when I look at the candidates for both parties and try to figure out how we got here.

[geek tragedy]

59. It's amazing with all the talent in this country, this is the best we can do.

one candidate with concrete shoes, another with his head in the clouds

[riversedge]

60. only in bernie bubble land is a 6 pt win called 'narrow'.

[HubertHeaver]

77. Yes there were.

They're called delegates. Same as all the Tuesday states. None are winner-take-all states. Both candidates will win delegates. Or as you want to call them, "participant ribbons".

[geek tragedy]

78. Clinton received more delegates than Sanders did.

She received more votes.

That means she won the state.

[HubertHeaver]

79. And after the dust settles, they are tied

in committed delegate count.

[geek tragedy]

82. overall, yes, but not in NV. NV was a Clinton win and Sanders loss.

Just like NH was a blowout Sanders win and a blowout Clinton loss.

[Petrushka]

102. I wonder how delegates will be determined where THIS fiasco took place . .

. . . . when SOME people didn't bother to register before votes were taken and MOST people left the caucus before delegates were chosen. Democracy in action??

[HubertHeaver]

110. Very good question.

The battle will be joined at the next level. What we saw yesterday was precinct level. Next is the county level where they will elect their reps to the state convention where they will again battle out who goes forward as committed delegates to Philadelphia. It really never ends.

[wyldwolf]

12. good for you! For the rest of us, there's reality.

[seaotter]

14. The reality of a Trump presidency is all you have.

[wyldwolf]

18. The reality is 'a win is a win.'

SO glad OPs like yours will be a thing of the past in a few weeks. Enjoy it while you can.

[CorkySt.Clair]

31. I love the Baghdad Bob vibe the OP has going

Up is down, down is up and so on

[Impedimentus]

17. One tie, one solid win and

one blowout.

Iowa was a tie, 0.3% is insignificant. NH was a blowout, but in a state where Sanders was expected to win. Clinton scored a solid win in NV, but not enough to significantly bolster her campaign or slow down Sanders.

The score is 0-1-1

There is a lot more to come in this game.

[DrDan]

88. Iowa, NH, Nev . . . and "the score is 0-1-1"

probably did not study mathematics, right?

[AllTooEasy]

93. More like one 1st place, one 2nd place, one last place

[DrDan]

101. hmmm - 1st place-Nevada, 2nd place-NH, but Iowa was also 1st if I remember correctly

2-1-0 seems to me

[Waiting For Everyman]

20. Yep, it's a neck-and-neck delegate count and they think they're winning.

A "win" gets you nothing extra, and even that's margin of error on both caucuses. NV is a joke when you see how that was done...

Anyway the entire HRC campaign is nothing but a spoiler situation because she can not win. Because math.

[SidDithers]

21. Two losses have now become "virtual ties" ...

A 5.5% loss is a "virtual tie"?

Sid

[72DejaVu]

25. That's a bigger margin than Obama had over Romney

Do the Bernie fans think that election was a tie?

[LexVegas]

24. After SC, 20 points will be a virtual tie. LMAO. nt

[Impedimentus]

27. LMAO ?

Please be careful, you might not want to lose that part of your anatomy.

[seaotter]

34. If Hillary does not win SC by at least 20 points, it is a loss.She has yet to even once

meet expectations. She can not move her negative numbers to save her life. People do not trust or believe her.

[zappaman]

30. Denial?

I'm here to help you work thru the stages.

[seaotter]

36. Hillary is the one in denial.She has shown that she cannot move her negative numbers. This will be

Her undoing. She put all her eggs in the turd-way basket. We do not need yet another corporatist in the White House. 30 years of corporatist rule is enough.

[workinclasszero]

38. Can we pin this to the top of GD: Primaries?

Bern fans will need to see this constantly from SC through super tuesday and beyond.

[workinclasszero]

37. Winning is losing

Up is down.

Is that what Bern fans are running with?

Proceed....

[AzDar]

40. K & R

[Ferd Berfel]

43. Look Folks - The 3rd way IS the fascist Oligarchy - Let's not pretend

they are democrats in any version of what that term once meant.
The people in control of the party are not on your side!

[seaotter]

44. Indeed.

30 years of corporatist rule is more than enough.

[redstateblues]

49. Have no fear Bernie said yesterday that he will dominate Super Tuesday

There will be a lot of "Feeling The Burn" on March 1st

[PatrickforO]

51. Bernie's in it until the convention, and so are we!

Go Bernie!

[vdogg]

52. Since when is a 6% margin

A virtual tie? That's just idiotic.

[zappaman]

54. Bernie math.

It's a thing.

[seaotter]

58. Since just two weeks ago she expected a 27 point win.

Hillary seems unable to move her negatives, and could only hang on with DNC shenanigans .

A Fataly flawed losing candidate.

[krawhitham]

55. 5.5 points is not a virtual tie

[AllTooEasy]

91. Romney lost to Obama by the same vote percentage.

How did that work out for Repukes?

[immoderate]

56. Please! No more Reaganites.

Friends of Henry Kissinger need not apply.

--imm

[riversedge]

57. Whow--the OP is a load of bad sour grapes. Makes you look silly.

[seaotter]

61. Hillary makes all of us Democrats look silly. Supporting a candidate unable to get to even a 40%

Approval number. How can such a candidate win in the general? She has shown her inability to move that number.

[ananda]

62. I see March 1st as being more decisive.

It seems to me that Clinton has a lead in most of the
states holding primaries on March 1st.

I'm for Sanders all the way, but I'm also a realist.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

64. Is math THAT hard for you?

She had two wins and one loss. There was no tie, unless "virtual tie" is a new euphemism for "Bernie lost and I has a sad".

[INdemo]

74. Hey .2% is a win? .With Debbie not allowing the 1664

Iowa precincts to be audited because Bernie Sanders gained in the 14 Precincts they did audit?
Bernie Sanders was tied with Hillary and he would have won had they recounted the votes/Precinct Caucus count and the Iowa Caucus
The Iowa Democratic Party knew this but Debbie Wasserman Schultz put a stop to it.

So my question is a win still a win when all the votes weren't counted?

Is a Win an Win if a candidate or the candidate's campaign or the DNC rig the results?

[Dr Hobbitstein]

76. Keep that tinfoil tight.

DNC/DWS/HRC/AARP/WKRP/IMAX will be able to read your thoughts otherwise.

[INdemo]

80. Well you know .2% is not a win

Come on

[Dr Hobbitstein]

84. It is, though.

It's narrow, but it's still a win.

ETA - that .2% netted 2 extra delegates.

[INdemo]

99. You know that had Debbie allowed the Iowa Democratic Party

to continue with the audit Bernie Sanders would have won. There were too many questionable tallies.

So is it ok with you if a win is a win if the Hillary Campaign or her operatives In Iowa cheated to obtain that .2% win?

I would assume Bill would have known there were questionable results from various precincts and probably Hillary too.
I don't trust the DNC,or Debbie Wassermann Schultz or David Brock or Robby Mook..They will do what ever it takes to make sure Hillary has the lead vote count and they are in the same class with Karl Rove.
They even follow Roves campaign tactics out on the stump.


End of Discussion

[Dr Hobbitstein]

114. Unsubstantiated woo.

But keep fucking that chicken!

[William769]

65. So much for Bernie's 50 State strategy!

3 States and he has already lost 2 of them and this is with Democrats!

South Carolina he'll get knocked on his ass! Then come Super Tuesday he'll be down for the count! KO!

GO HILLARY!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

66. Thanks for putting it in perspective.....

It's early.

She has plenty of time to self-destruct.

......again.......

[33taw]

75. Possibly, but Bernie has a lot of work to do in the remaining states and territories.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

113. Everyone agrees he has the enthusiasm on his side.

[okasha]

107. There's a Separate Really in play here,

presumably without the aid of shrooms. These poor folks are still stuck in the denial stage of loss.

Bernie is going to lose, and lose hard, in any state that has sizeable minority populations. Minorities+women+lgbt's+older voters (who've been on the rodeo circuit for several rounds) are the Dem base, and Hillary haz 'me. I'm

[passiveporcupine]

67. Stop the turd way shit please

Enough is enough. We are supposed to be adults here.

[seaotter]

71. That is exactly what I would like to do!

We must "stop the turd-way shit"

[passiveporcupine]

72. you are not helping anything, but your own anger

We have two candidates running for President on DU, which is a site that is supposed to support Democratic candidates and their supporters. Please respect Bernie enough to stop this. He has asked his supporters to not treat people this way, regardless of whom they are who whom they support.

Show some respect for Bernie if you can't do it for DU.

[Helen Borg]

69. Cautiously optimistic...

Anything more than that is stretching it...

[DrDan]

83. 53-47 is a virtual tie?

[MFM008]

87. its like losing 2 pounds a week

It may be a long slog but your doing it.

[AllTooEasy]

89. How did Gore's virtual tie work out?

[PatrynXX]

90. and slate has her as inevitable again... only in their heads

does this headline make any sense like No. Trump seems to be very inevitable no matter how much the Christian Right hates that fact. a republican who's Pro Planned Parenthood good luck with that..

[stupidicus]

94. www.addictinginfo.org/2016/02/21/heres-why-the-nevada-caucus-results-should-be-overturned-video/

eom

[Tommy2Tone]

95. Spin it any way you want and you post is disgusting.

You should take you show to Fox News.

[seaotter]

104. your

[Vincardog]

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[senz]

115. Considering Bernie entered the race 9 months ago as virtual unknown

supported only by small donors and ignored in the corporate media, whereas Madam Entitled had the name, the wealth, the power base, influential connections, and a 15-year intention of running, it is amazing what he has accomplished.

The primary results so far point not only to people's enthusiasm for Bernie and his message, but to their distrust and disaffection for Hillary.

How her followers can even pretend to be satisfied with these results is a mystery.

[Bleacher Creature]

116. Kicking.

Just so that people can see the silliness of some of these posts.

Denial is the word of the day.