Win me over Hillary Clinton Supporters

[angrychair]

Not by telling me how bad Sanders is as a person. Not how he is a 'socialist' or 'selling unicorns farting rainbows' (my favorite one by the way...imagary always makes my laugh). Not about what Sanders is or is not. In fact, not about what Republicans are or are not.

Sell me Hillary as Hillary, not as an alternative.

Most importantly In that context, tell me how she turns her "likeability" and "trustworthiness" numbers positive. No Democratic Party presidential candidate has ever won the presidency negative on these key numbers.
I want to think my vote will win the White House, not flushed down the toliet to a defeat.
If she is the nominee, I want to vote for her because of her, not because of a "D" after her name or because of who might win the White House if she does not.

Seriously, I will listen with an open mind.

The floor is yours.

[daleanime]

1. ......

[PonyUp]

3. Popcorn and crickets. n/t

[SidDithers]

2. "Seriously, I will listen with an open mind"...nt

Sid

[MADem]

10. Yeah, I know....!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511118757

[Kip Humphrey]

27. Fail #1

[Duckhunter935]

4. I am sure you will get hundreds

Of quality replies

[MADem]

13. Yes, rather like the hundreds of "quality posts" this individual has delivered to us on the topic

of Hillary Clinton. Here's just one of those: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511085728

[Kip Humphrey]

29. Fail #2

[leftofcool]

5. Why?

[Joe the Revelator]

6. You think you can win an election without doing that?

I think the answer is 'yes', and that, my friend, is the problem.

[bettyellen]

17. you need to know when you are wasting your time, like volunteering to "observe" instead of

registering people and working the caucus..... and then posting Youtubes about what a shit show it was because of the dearth of volunteers.

Talking to people who are dead set on a candidate- waste of time. Waste of their time too, but whatever.

[Joe the Revelator]

18. You're right, if you are talking about a general election and opposite parties. You are wrong

when it comes to what happens after a primary.

[bettyellen]

21. I'm talking about what is happening during the primaries and caucuses. Instead of realizing they

need a better ground game- more volunteers for all these first timers!- people are doubling down complaining Hillary has more workers out there.
Do we need more "investigative" videos showing people who are disrupting a process they don't even understand- or do they need more trained volunteers? It seems like everyone wants to be a Youtube hero instead of doing the nuts and bolts work. Hillary is winning because they planned to do the work and showed up.

[Kip Humphrey]

30. Fail #3

[stopbush]

7. Why listen to other people's opinions when you

can go to Hillary's website and read her policies and position papers? If you don't agree with her policies then you'll never get to whether she's likeable or trustworthy, because it won't matter. If you agree with her policies then you'll work to change the perception that she isn't likeable.

Of course, you could be asking a purely rhetorical question. You wouldn't be doing that, would you?

[Kip Humphrey]

31. Fail #4

[itsrobert]

34. That's what I did

And found Clinton's approach is the most practical.

[Kall]

53. Her entire health care "position" is 6 or 7 bullet points

of vague generalities. And one of them is "as Senator, I got funding for responders after 9/11."

[MADem]

8. No. You're a big kid. You can read, examine, compare and contrast all by yourself.

And if you don't want to vote for her, DON'T.

It's your vote--do with it what you will.

After all the vitriol I've seen on this board--and no small amount of it was your handiwork--I have to say I doubt the sincerity of your appeal. You want people to respond to you in good faith, so you can "So you..." them to death, or snark at them.

So keep your floor.

[PeaceNikki]

9. Yup.

[Kip Humphrey]

32. Fail #5

[MADem]

49. No--what's a FAIL is your silly labeling. It's not a substitute for adult conversation.

Here, let me speak to you in your preferred language:

http://www.sadtrombone.com/

[angrychair]

38. Interesting

Hope none of you ever end up on a caucus floor having to convince an undecided to vote for Hillary. I don't think "vote for who you want" and "look it up yourself" will win them to your side.

[MADem]

48. So glad you "hope" that! Your hopes will be realized--I'd rather eat razors than live in a caucus

state!

LOL!

Now, take your faux sincerity and try to sell it to someone who will buy it. See, I've READ what you've written here on DU about Hillary and the primary process. I know where your heart lies, and it's not with a "sincere" conversation about anything that doesn't involve the coronation of Sanders on a wave of Feel The BERNER kids mosh pitting him to center stage at the Democratic convention.

You are an advocate for Sanders, and that's fine. Knock yourself out. But don't --for a second--try to play "Come into my parlor said the spider to the fly" and expect anyone to take you seriously.

You have a HISTORY here, or have you forgotten these gems?

This was you, JUST yesterday: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511286721

You sure don't sound like you want to be "convinced" of anything there, do you?

And what are you telling me to do with my vote in THIS recent post? I'm amazed this one wasn't hidden!!! It's a perfect example of the failure of the jury system...and you hepped!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511134384

See? BY YOUR WORDS I KNOW YOU. YOUR words--no one else's. You have written a lot of ugly and unkind commentary on this board, that's just the tip of the iceberg. So don't go playing like you have an open mind or heart, and wanna learn--you want good natured, good hearted Clinton supporters to speak openly and sincerely to you, so you can mock them, slam them and tell them what to do with their votes...or things of that nature.

Why don't you just stick to advocating for your candidate instead of trying to chain jerk people?

smh!

[greenman3610]

11. remember these words

"There's not a dime's worth of difference between Al Gore and George Bush"

[renate]

12. well, I'll start

I think she is a better person than she is a candidate. She's not a natural politician in the kissing-babies sense (at least, that's the impression I get), which is why some of us are having trouble warming to her these days, but she is very much into details and working hard. She busted her ass as Secretary of State.

I don't know how she turns the likeability and trustworthiness positive, though, which is what you asked. I really think a good start would be to emphatically correct the record on the Dolores Huerta claims/retraction from yesterday. That would benefit both her and Bernie but it might even benefit her more.

[Kip Humphrey]

35. Success #1 (but you are not a Hillarian).

[firebrand80]

14. It's your decision, I don't care

We went through this crap in '08. A few "take my ball and go home" types isn't going to stop democrats from voting for democrats.

[Kip Humphrey]

37. Fail #6

[farleftlib]

15. It's quiet in here

Whispers" "hello, is anybody home?"

[MADem]

51. No it isn't. Maybe you have too many people on IGNORE? nt

[beachbumbob]

16. Simple...a pacifist..conscientious objector will not be voted in to lead

America....

[angrychair]

41. "The alternative" option

You tell why to vote for her because of something about Sanders. Why should I vote for her?

[William769]

19. Why?

I have been here long enough to know what your post is about and I'm not biting.

[Kip Humphrey]

39. Fail #7

[Politicalboi]

20. I know I can't keep an open mind

There's nothing that can be said to sell Hillary. If you despise liars and people who think you're stupid, there is no going to Hillary. I think we all would have loved to support her, but she's showed us her bad side, she's used it against another Dem in 2008 and now she's up to her old tricks. I'm not saying don't vote for her if she's the nominee. We'll all have to cross that bridge when we get there.

[still_one]

22. So you claim to have an open mind, and then you qualify it by saying it cannot be about what

"Sanders is or is not, or not about what republicans are or are not"

and then you proceed to take a 180 degree turn and tell us " that Hillary is not "likable or trustworthy according to "polls". I am surprised you didn't add that Hillary always "screams at us when she talks", because that is the card they played on "Howard Dean"

In spite of your insincere flame bait OP, anyone listening to the debates or town halls with an OPEN MIND, can see Hillary's knowledge of everything from domestic, economic, to international affairs is far superior not only to Bernie's grasp of how things run, but also of the current republican clowns..

As for your implication that Sanders is more "likable", lets see how that resonates when the republicans, with the willing participation of the MSM start to throw out Bernie's support for Cuba and the Sandinistas. It will matter little whether he was right or wrong on those issues, Sanders will not be able to capture any red states when words like Socialist or communist start getting hurled at him from his adversaries. The same holds for the purple states

On the basis of experience, knowledge, and qualifications, Hillary wins over Bernie and the republican clown car, hands down

[angrychair]

36. I appreciate the attempt

You still fell into the track of "as an alternative" by comparing her to Bernie and teapublicans.

All of you dismiss my attempt out-of-hand which I find fascinating. I, like my current candidate of choice, fails some unwritten purity test for Democratic Party loyalty and therefore I am beyond redemption and unworthy to be motivated to aspire to your candidate of choice.

I am seeking actual answers to real questions from people that supporter her.

Hope none of you ever end up on a caucus floor having to convince an undecided to vote for Hillary. I don't think "vote for who you want" and "look it up yourself" will win them to your side.

[still_one]

43. I stated it very clearly, knowledge and experience, and I would also add her voting record

I don't live in a caucus state, and am glad I don't. A caucus is a discriminating system which excludes people who cannot physically attend.

[Kip Humphrey]

40. Success #2 (#1 really because is 1st answer from a Hillary supporter!)

[McCamy Taylor]

23. Honestly, no one posts here to change other posters' minds.

That would be like a Coke ad trying to change the mind of a Pepsi ad. We are all here to stump for our candidate--and share talking points. So, you vote for whomever you like. In fact, I encourage you to get out to vote. It's good for democracy. Be like those 45 y/o plus women in Nevada and make your voice heard. In the end, it's all about turnout and who will be able to motivate their base to bother getting off their butts and voting. I think we are beginning to see where the enthusiasm is this time around.

[still_one]

24. How about another flamebait thread to trash Hillary?

[Kip Humphrey]

42. Fail #8

[JI7]

25. what's your problem with Sanders ?

Why don't you want to support him ?

[Vinca]

26. They don't care if we support Hillary. They think they can win without our support.

"The Donald" is already commissioning the giant gold letters for the White House: TRUMP.

[DCBob]

28. You are probably beyond being won over but here is why I support Hillary..

-- She is probably the most qualified candidate to every run for President
-- She knows how to fight back against the Republicans
-- She will have no problem raising enough money to compete with the Republican candidate
-- She has tons of connections that will help her win in November and will help her be a more effective President
-- Her husband is Bill Clinton who will be a great asset to her as First Gentleman

And she is a woman.. its time.

[Kip Humphrey]

44. Success #3 (#2 really, from Hillary supporters)

[DCBob]

45. I have no idea what you are talking about.

??

[Kip Humphrey]

46. You were the 2nd Hillary supporter to attempt to answer to OP. Thank you.

[DCBob]

47. Got it..

Thanks!

[DrDan]

33. I've not seen anyone saying Sanders is "bad" - not saying it didn't happen, but have not seen it

I'm not a supporter, but I certainly see him as honest and wwll-meaning.

What was said about him negatively (as a person)?

[MADem]

52. The principal negativity I see with regard to Sanders is focused (deservedly) on some of his

staffers, and some of his supporters.

Notice I used the "some of" qualifier.

I am no fan of the broad brush.

I've often seen a policy difference or shortcoming, or weakness, when mentioned, called "an attack!!!!!"

If it's not praise, it often gets pounded.

[DrDan]

54. as far as I know most here think highly of him personally

you are right about how criticism/disagreement is met

[one_voice]

50. I'm not a Hillary or Sanders supporter..

I voted for Obama in '08 and I haven't decided yet for 16.

Here's what I think, bear with me I'm not great at writing.

Pros:

I think Hillary is a better policy person than people give her credit for. I think she has good ideas and she's a lot more progressive than she appears. Yesterday, in her speech after winning Nevada I was so very happy to hear her address graduates that are currently drowning in debt. That's a concern of mine having two kids that have some debt.

I believe she genuinely wants everyone to have decent health care that is also affordable. Remember she's been working on that since she was first lady. I really believe she's passionate about it.

I also think cares about poor people. Not all rich people are evil.

There's more but I'm going to move on

Cons:

She's not a great politician. Sometimes she hits her groove and she's good.

Her ties to banks look bad.

She can be a little hawkish.


I think the reason people think Hillary is polarizing is she's been beat up on by both left and right.

When Bill was president the right hated her. A lot. There was nothing she could do that the didn't make a big deal out of. She paid for Bills mistakes more than he did-imo. Hell she's still paying for them. I see people attacking her for his welfare reform act. That she supported it.

She was the first lady. It was an election year. Was she supposed to go out and say it sucked? She's in a no win situation. If she says it was bad and he lost--Hillary gets blamed. If she says, it's not her place to comment. They right reads into and starts with, even his wife doesn't supports it--he loses--Hillary gets blamed for not supporting him. She supports him--Hillary gets blamed for hating poor people.

No win situation. She's been damaged by these types of attacks. That she was a Goldwater girl--is a silly attack. she didn't vote for him. She was young. She did a lot of good things that are forgotten and ignored and instead these attacks are pushed. Democrats have pushed them. We damage our candidate.

I don't care about Monica. I don't care about what happened when Bill was in office. I generally don't care what happened 15-20 years ago. People can and do evolve. I'm not the same person I was then.

I'm going to support whoever our nominee is. I think they're both good, I don't believe Hillary will damage the country.