Thom Hartmann: The Most Disingenuous Attack Against Bernie Yet

[leftcoastmountains]

[gwheezie]

1. I find hartmann unwatchable

And I have tried.

[bravenak]

2. +1

[stonecutter357]

4. +1

[bjobotts]

106. And the nerve to ask why I don't trust her

[cleopotrick]

5. Who's your favorite media talking head for reference? nt

[gwheezie]

39. My Palin answer-none of them

I can't remember the last time I purposely went out of my way to listen/watch a pundit. I thought ko was very watchable.
I try to find the original source and read the references in its entirety in order to gather information.
There are writing styles I enjoy but listening to opinion is my least favorite way to form an opinion.

[virtualobserver]

6. I find Hillary's dishonesty to be unacceptable

[CentralMass]

11. +1

[farleftlib]

20. +2 n/t

[merrily]

51. Most honest people do.

[Duval]

66. +1,000!

[senz]

91. + infinity

[Enthusiast]

96. How could anyone see it as acceptable?

[virtualobserver]

100. They are forced to shield their eyes....

or tell you that the messenger is too difficult to listen to.

[stopbush]

7. +1

[CorkySt.Clair]

8. Just another Obama hater with a mic

[rufus dog]

23. Nope

I listen almost daily, he almost always defends Obama. He is very non confrontational, you should give him a listen.

[Duval]

68. I've been listening to him for years. You're right, he defends Obama.

His program is not beholden to Corporations who tell pundits what they can and cannot say. I have never heard him say something that was untrue. And if he ever mischaracterizes anyone or anything, he will apologize and correct his remarks. I sometimes worry about his safety.

[JRLeft]

45. You just made that shit up.

[think]

46. It sure looks like it doesn't it...

[merrily]

54. Hartmann is an Obama hater? LOL!

[Enthusiast]

97. I often feel that Thom is far too easy on Obama.

[scottie55]

113. Definitely Far Too Easy On Obama

But other than TPP PBO needs all the support he can get.

TPP Not So Much

It will hurt millions like every sucky trade deal.

[cui bono]

57. Not even close. I suspect you think anyone who makes one little criticism is a "hater" though.

[Chakab]

63. You've never once listened to Hartmann, but you're here insulting him just because other posters

with similar viewpoints are.

Pathetic.

[uponit7771]

107. +1

[LexVegas]

10. +1. nt

[Nedsdag]

14. Why? Because he's a Bernie supporter?

Because he's a progressive?

[gwheezie]

35. Since I fund him unwatchable

I have no idea who he supports

[litlbilly]

62. How can you find him unwatchable? You dont know who he supports? sorry, your post are now total

bullshit. you are now on total ignore.

[gwheezie]

92. Oh dear. I tried for the 2012 election and I found him boring

I admit to only briefly attempting to watch him since but could never get through an entire program.

[senz]

93. I get him on podcast. He's extremely listenable.

He's also intelligent, honest, and decent.

[nashville_brook]

16. that's too bad b/c he's leveling a major charge against HRC that will no doubt

be picked up by others.

[Roy Ellefson]

50. why?

why? too liberal for you?

[merrily]

53. If it's not a right wing source, then it's an unwatchable one. Anything to dismiss. Yawn.

[Hoyt]

55. He was on Bill Maher - who is supporting Sanders - a few weeks ago. Everyone ignored him.

[cui bono]

56. You can just listen. He's very fair and very knowledgable. n/t

[litlbilly]

58. I guess youll just have to watch yourself instead. Have fun

[magical thyme]

60. then don't watch.

I found W unwatchable, so I didn't watch. It make me sick to my stomach to even try.

I find Hillary unwatchable. I tried in debate #1. Haven't watched a debate since. Only watch small snippets of her now, as necessary to show her track record. Once the primaries are over, I will never, ever watch her again. She makes me as sick to my stomach as W did.

[Enthusiast]

98. Huge +1!

[japple]

70. I have a hard time watching too, but if I just listen without watching, it

is much easier. Try it. Put up a cute kitten pic while you listen to him. Same thing with TYT. I have a hard time watching it, but I can listen.

[gwheezie]

95. That may make it easier, lol

I really can't watch a segment until the end, I feel bored and distracted so looking at baby goats might make it easier.

[senz]

104. Fascinating.

I doubt anyone could seriously object to your hijacking this thread since your personal response to Mr. Hartmann is so riveting.

It doesn't really matter that Hartmann dissects an intricately dishonest accusation leveled against Bernie Sanders by Hillary Clinton. Surely her complete lack of principle is of no importance in this presidential race. After all, character is but a trivial concern when choosing the leader of the free world.

Hartmann should try to be more entertaining.

[Puglover]

117. Well said.

If I said what I would like to it would be hidden.

Riveting. Absolutely.

[japple]

116. I think it's because I don't watch TV. I get most of my news from the radio, online

or in print. I find it very distracting to watch most news programs. I can watch clips of things like Colbert or John Oliver, for example.

[bjobotts]

105. Well yu are definitely in a minority 'Cause He's #1 lib.talk show host

We call him Professor or Doctor because he's so knowledgeable yet speaks in the tongue of the modern man. Always truthful.

[gwheezie]

109. No accounting for taste then

I rarely watch TV for information and never listen to talk radio. I do enjoy when fstv or link has a documentary or lecture on but opinion talk shows are boring to me.

[JDPriestly]

110. Interesting. We got a similar response from someone as the first response to

a post showing Amy Goodman this morning.

Both Amy and Thom are effective, wonderful voices for the liberal view.

But then, my mother could not watch Rachel Maddow, and I really like her or at least I used to. I haven't watched her in a long time.

What do you not like about Thom Hartmann's show? You must be liberal because you like Eleanor Roosevelt. Interesting.

[phleshdef]

118. I find you unreadable.

[cantbeserious]

3. Spot On Critique By Thom

eom

[Petrushka]

9. I watched the video in its entirety. Hartmann took a while to develop his argument, but . . .

. . . beginning at about the 4-mnute mark in that video, he had my full attention, for sure!

Thank you for posting something WORTH taking time to watch and listen to before I decided to comment and give it a thumbs-uo or a thumbs-down.

[ebayfool]

18. Awesome how he laid out Clinton's 'artful smear' !

People that take the time to listen will get it. Those with closed minds will refuse to give the video a look.
The fact she has this guy on the payroll shows just how corrupt Clinton really is!

[Jarqui]

31. +! Thank you nt

[madfloridian]

12. Yes, we did get "snookered". Great research by Thom Hartmann. Kudos to Bernie.

And when that guy tells Hillary to attack Bernie for voting for that bill...well...that takes super guts.

[MuseRider]

13. Thanks for posting this.

It is certainly true what Thom says. What a circuitous lie this was from her. Factually correct but without merit as an attack if all the information was made available at the time she was saying this. Interesting, the people on her team. I would not want to be in a mile of any of them.

I don't know how they do this.

[senz]

99. Perfectly stated.

It is the epitome of an "artful smear," but so too was her expression, "artful smear" when she hurled it at Bernie.

It's kind of you to blame it on her team. I hold her directly responsible for what she says and does.

I would not want to be within a mile of her, her team, and those of her followers who understand what she does and still follow her.

I don't know how they do this, either.

[virtualobserver]

15. How can Hillary be trusted with the economy or even generally trusted.....

when she talks about a subject this important in such a dishonest fashion.

Bernie has our back and Hillary behaves like a snake in the grass.

She has the gall to attack Bernie on this when one of the engineers of the great recession, who slyly inserted this time bomb personally.....is her chief economic adviser? That alone should disqualify her....no wonder she doesn't know that the banks are already too big to fail.

[Enthusiast]

75. Lower than a snake in the grass.

More like worm in the dirt level.

[Jezza]

94. Hillary's always been a cog in the machine

Hillary doesn't seem to see the people that make up our great dem constituency, she's influenced by her biggest contributors (= Law Firms, Citicorp, Goldmansachs, DLA Piper, JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley, Monsanto.)

I find it hard to believe she'll fight wallstreet... let alone care about social equalities & institutional racism, i fear she'll be another puppet president taking +$150M in campaign funding from Law Firms, Citicorp, Goldmansachs, DLA Piper, JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley and Monsanto.

Now there's this term Democratic Socialist, a platform built with planks of Single-Payer Medicare, Taxing Super-Rich to pay for education, increased minumum wage, and reform-everything-that-the-corporatists have phuct over these past couple decades.
----
...ok, i wanna learn more... Bernie Sanders is building a platform that ain't the Hillary:Kerry:Gore//Bush politics... He is finally someone pushing a Liberal Revolt!

i love it! lemme go dig out the old BlueDog

[Stuart G]

17. Please watch this .. it is really about Hillary's financial head in her campaign.and what he did.k&r

that lead to the economy falling apart in in 2008, and then an ugly piece of advise he gave to Hillary to discredit Bernie. this one is very nasty. But..Hartmann takes some time to make the background very clear, so please watch the whole thing..It is mean in a very special way...thanks for reading this..and..
thank you if you take the time to watch the entire 8 minutes and 58 seconds.

[MohRokTah]

19. Thom Hartmann, the most disingenuous pundit on Russia Times.

[virtualobserver]

26. you must be confusing him with Hillary

how can you support someone so dishonest?

[MohRokTah]

29. Hillary Clinton is the most honest candidate for president

How can YOU support somebody as dishonest as Sanders?

[virtualobserver]

30. There is a reason that 91% of the people in NH who gave honesty as the reason voted for Bernie

because people can see the difference.

[MohRokTah]

32. Yep, there is definitely a reason

It's called being "bamboozled".

[virtualobserver]

34. Hillary is trying to bamboozle America....

Hillary's chief financial consultant is one of the engineers of the great recession.....and she blamed it on Bernie.

[cascadiance]

38. Yep, it's sad someone can't see who really is the architect of dishonesty which is absolutely PROVEN

... in what Hartmann is showing here!

[MohRokTah]

41. You're mistaken. The bamboozler is Sanders. eom

[think]

42. Do you care to discuss what Gary Gensler did that is the actual focal point of this discussion?

[MohRokTah]

43. Nope, nothing you will ever say or do will convince me Hillary is dishonest and Sanders is honest.

I calls 'em as I sees 'em and as I see it, Sanders is the most dishonest candidate seeking the nomination during my 53 years of life.

[think]

44. You won't discuss issues regarding Hillary's top financial adviser? Are you afraid you might learn

the awful truth and not be able to defend Hillary and Gensler for what they did?

[Duval]

72. Don't even try to argue with closed minds, think. It's a waste of time. nt

[redruddyred]

80. hillary supporters never want to discuss

they know they don't have a foot to stand on

it's a pattern which is becoming very clear to me this primary season.

[scottie55]

114. When We Talk About Real Issues

HRC Supporters run like hell.

No we can't right?

[840high]

84. Nope. They don't like liars and crooks.

[Jarqui]

48. You've got to be kidding

watch that video

then got to youtube and put in "Hillary lying"

If that's too inconvenient:

That's a fairly new one

There's about 340 videos on Hillary lying and almost nothing on Bernie.

Hillary or her campaign has done something deceptive, blatantly misrepresented, smeared or flat out lied nearly every day of the last number of weeks. It's well documented right here on this site.

Go to google and put in "Hillary Clinton trustworthy"

New Hampshire exit poll doesn't agree with you
Honest and trustworthy (34% of voters)
91% Sanders
5% Clinton

How do you explain that?

In this poll only 27% think Hillary is trustworthy
https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/02/17/nh-win-boosts-sanders-image-clinton-still-holds-la/

In a Quinnipiac poll later last year, 60% found Hillary untrustworthy. A recent one had it at 57%.

A whole bunch of polls, spanning from the summer to this month, showing about 60% of the country thinks Hillary is untrustworthy or dishonest. And they consistently identify her as the worst in that category among all the candidates - including the GOP.

[840high]

82. So glad she survived that

sniper fire.

[cascadiance]

37. And the 1% bought corporate media are so much better? Pretty sad comment on American media today!

What is really sad is that Thom Hartmann doesn't let RT tell him what to do, and you know, RT knows that THEY DON'T HAVE TO!

They are best served by letting Thom go on and speak the truth of what is and has been so wrong with our country that the corporate media has also been compelled to not talk about, and their goal of having America look bad will be met.

Now if we get president Bernie Sanders in charge, and we have some more reform of our media by breaking them up, etc. so that we have some real *accessible* alternative voices on our media that aren't just providing us corporatist propaganda, then it might be possible for Americans to hear American companies compete with the RT's, Al-Jazeera Americas, BBC's, France 24, Deutsche Welle News, etc. that function in this country as an alternative to the oligopoly of corporate media we have here, that have functioned like Voice of America used to function in earlier times when we were more the voice of democracy in those countries that didn't have a free media then.

If we get that environment, where we can get back media companies like Current TV or something new that can provide adequate competition to the corporatized media here, that might be the time for someone like Hartmann to move to those newer media entities then where he could continue to maintain his independence from corporate mantra BS that he'd have to be involved with today if he were to align with any other of the existing American media companies. Ed Schultz also learned his lesson the hard way when he was pushed out of MSNBC for trying to have us more informed on topics like the TPP, and now is also at RT.

For now though, I welcome having the opportunity to hear voices contend with the corporatized oligarch media's propaganda. Too bad so many here can't see where the real propaganda is these days!

[redruddyred]

81. another meaningless slur from a hillary supporter

are you taking your playbook from donald trump?

[Autumn]

21. .

[ebayfool]

22. Kicked, rec'd and bookmarked!

I see a lotta people dismissing this without looking at it.

Blinders make 'em .... well, blind. Pity that they refuse input over fanaticism.

[virtualobserver]

27. they have a win at all cost mentality

[farleftlib]

24. Wow

What an (in)artful smear. Good on you Thom for catching this.

Thanks, leftcoast.

[Uncle Joe]

25. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, leftcoastmountains.

[kristopher]

28. k&r

[beedle]

33. An excellent example of Hillary

"Trying to be honest" with the American people.

She should actually be honest and tell them "these person has the skill sets needed to sneak through harmful legislation in omnibuses bills, so I hired him to advise me on my financial policies."

[think]

36. Gary Gensler wrote the legislation deregulating commodities that Phil Graham slipped into omnibus

bill that Bill Clinton signed into law.

And then as Hillary's adviser tells her to attack Bernie Sanders for voting for the omnibus bill that included the legislation he helped write and sneak through.

Gary Gensler proves himself to be a loyal Goldman Sachs alumnus time and time again.

In fact Gary Gensler also wrote the loophole in Dodd Frank that Goldman Sachs and the other big banks are now using to offshore derivatives so they can't fall under US regulation:

Gensler and his staff tucked a 17-word insert into a 228-page amendment to the Dodd-Frank bill. The addition seemed to assure banks that the new derivatives rules wouldn’t apply to their overseas trading operations. Bachus backed off. But the insert was craftily worded to leave wiggle room. If those activities “have a direct and significant connection with activities in, or effect on, commerce of the United States,” then the rules would apply, Gensler’s addition read.

One year later, at a late 2010 meeting of the CFTC’s board, one of Gensler’s legal aides declared that the passage in fact gave the regulator worldwide reach over U.S. banks’ trading operations.

A coalition of 13 global banks banded together to fight the clause. They hired Edward J. Rosen, a derivatives lawyer with Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton, to lead the effort.

?v=562619050116
CLAUSE OF CONSEQUENCE: This 17-word insert was initially used to persuade Republicans that Dodd-Frank derivatives rules didn’t affect U.S. banks overseas. It was later invoked by the CFTC in an attempt to assert control over those very operations. REUTERS/Photo illustration by Troy Dunkley

Source:
http://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-swaps/

[think]

40. Link to Truth Out story on this:

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/34497-the-most-disingenuous-attack-on-bernie-yet

[BlueStateLib]

47. Thom Hartmann is wrong, OTC derivatives were deregulated before Bill Clinton took office,

Rep Bernie Sanders voted for H.R. 707 (102nd): Futures Trading Practices Act of 1992
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/102-1991/h27

In 1992, H.R.707, the Futures Trading Practices Act of 1992 was signed into law. This bill "granted the Commission the authority to exempt over-the-counter (OTC) derivative and other transactions for CFTC regulation."

In January 1993— just days before President Clinton took office—departing CFTC Wendy Gramm’s last day as chair, the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) exempted "certain swap agreements and hybrid instruments from regulation under the Commodity Exchange Act."

[think]

49. Your quotes do not originate from the page you are sourcing. Where are your quotes from?

[think]

64. The CFMA of 2000 ensured the deregulation of OTC derivatives including Credit Default Swaps:

that Gensler helped get into the omnibus spending bill of 2000:

The Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 (CFMA) is United States federal legislation that officially ensured modernized regulation[1] of financial products known as over-the-counter derivatives. It was signed into law on December 21, 2000 by President Bill Clinton. It clarified the law so that most over-the-counter (OTC) derivatives transactions between "sophisticated parties" would not be regulated as "futures" under the Commodity Exchange Act of 1936 (CEA) or as "securities" under the federal securities laws. Instead, the major dealers of those products (banks and securities firms) would continue to have their dealings in OTC derivatives supervised by their federal regulators under general "safety and soundness" standards. The Commodity Futures Trading Commission's (CFTC) desire to have "Functional regulation" of the market was also rejected. Instead, the CFTC would continue to do "entity-based supervision of OTC derivatives dealers."[2] These derivatives, including the credit default swap, are a few of the many causes of the financial crisis of 2008 and the subsequent 2008–2012 global recession.[3]

Full Wikipedia entry:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodity_Futures_Modernization_Act_of_2000

Link to full text of the CFMA:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/106th-congress/house-bill/5660/text

[Enthusiast]

76. Thanks for pointing this out.

[litlbilly]

61. more like redstaterepub to me

[virtualobserver]

65. It authorized the CFTC to exempt any individual agreement, contract, or individual transaction, not

broad deregulation.

[Enthusiast]

77. Thom is exactly and precisely right on.

[LWolf]

52. Very interesting.

I note that none of the Clinton supporters can answer the question asked. Probably because they "just can't watch him."

Or because they're too busy frantically deflecting/attacking Hartman.

I, too, would like an answer to the question, but I won't be holding my breath.

[Arazi]

59. Smartest guy on radio. No wonder HRC supporters can't abide him or his message

thanks for this

[JDPriestly]

67. Excellent!!!

[GoneFishin]

69. Wow. Just fucking wow. What a dishonest person she is.

[Thespian2]

71. K & R!!!

Phil Gramm tried to destroy the American economy...because the laws he helped pass made him and his greedy bastard friends loads of money...

Thom is well aware that for the 1%er, money is the only important thing...

Listening to her speak makes me nauseous...

[Festivito]

73. The farce is strong among Thom's detractors around here. eom

[Dustlawyer]

74. That's just mind blowing in its diabolical irony!

We should "Trust" her! (Sarcasm)

Keep it up and feel the Bern!

[Jezza]

78. Get Everyone to VOTE

Best way to shutup the nincompoops, is to Vote!

interesting how history parallels from the 1938 fights between FDR and the same dogmas in past weeks' positions by HClinton/TKruz/Rubio... All three candidates push apparent differences to each Democrapublican (Dem/GOP) political party's influence by super PACs and big corporatist base (Monsanto & JPMorgan & DuPont and GoldyLocks...) ** no need to mention Trump, as he's just an honest Billionaire not even trying to hide his intent; unlike the politicians of Hillary/Cruz/Rubio who flat lie, and we know it.
----
is time to go another direction. Bernie Sanders seems to be good at the time. ...as i do hope Elizabeth Warren (a great progressive mind) get's into this evolutionary battle too. She'd be a fantastic President/VP...
----
....
we are ruled by "big meanies" giants like Robert Mercer, Steven A Cohen, Paul Singer, Stephen Schwarzman, Richard String, Corbin Robertson Jr., J. Larry Nichols, Harold Hamm, Sheldon Adelson, Oliver Grace Jr., Richard Farmer, Stephen Bechtel Jr., Thomas Stewart, John Cornyn, Jim DeMint, either Koch Brother, JP Morgan, Citicorp, UBS, Monsanto & DuPont and Goldman Sachs...
---- be ever aware of spindocters; creating a place for corporatists, like Hillary, to appear sane.

[840high]

88. ..+1

[redruddyred]

79. the most disingenous? that would be the "bernie wants to kill obamacare" line

but the last two debate have been nothing but stupid bs like this, i didn't catch all of them but the ones i did -- oh man

what a number that hillary clinton is. i am slowly beginning to understand why the right hates her so. why independents hate her! she can't win on policy obvi so has to make up on misleading statements and downright lies. enough!

[Jezza]

83. Hillary is become a Corporatist

corporations do not hesitate to exploit and profit from programs uniformly identified with liberal politics, such as the war on poverty, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, and foreign aid. All these programs have proved to be extremely lucrative for corporations that contract with government agencies.

these are the groups now funding Hillary; Monsanto & JPMorgan & DuPont and "GoldyLocks"... not to mention several corporate law firms.

Like you, i feel tricked. time to vote!

[redruddyred]

85. strange that republicans and democrats should unilaterally agree

that obamacare is at best a compromise.

the trouble with team R is that they want to regress to the status quo. no one from that side has suggested a viable alternative.

[Jezza]

120. ..indeed

obamacare, or The Affordable Care Act, as ya say, was and had to be a compromise. remember who Obama's office had to fight; and now that it's a gov program, the gov program has to bid out to all the insurers owned by whom? which is why costs are going up; and to corps owned by those same billionaires behind the dark money of the GOP.
(reading a interesting book, Ref / Dark Money, by Jane Mayer, pub2016)

....anyhow, so that's why i find Hillary's platform totally lazy (not to mention wasteful), and what is so appealing with Bernie Sanders (r)evoluntionary idea to make Medicare a single-payer program for all.

To make it cheaper as Sanders wants, means making the program a bigger power so they can control prices more effectively, as well as taxing the supeRICH...

contrary to Sanders, the GOP does have an answer if we pay attention, they want to privatize it, and make it into a profitable traded commodity amoung themselves. (just like they proprose doing with police enforcement and prisons and a lot of the government programs.)

...these cats backing the corporatist side of the GOP are big meanies, and make Trump look small:
Robert Mercer, Steven A Cohen, Paul Singer, Stephen Schwarzman, Richard String, Corbin Robertson Jr., J. Larry Nichols, Harold Hamm, Sheldon Adelson, Oliver Grace Jr., Richard Farmer, Stephen Bechtel Jr., Thomas Stewart, John Cornyn, Jim DeMint, either Koch Brother

[Waiting For Everyman]

86. He explained it very well and he's exactly right.

For more, look up what a woman named Brooksley Born has to say about it. She was the head of the CFTC at the time and not only objected to this legislation, she was sounding the alarm about how dangerous the situation was even BEFORE this law made it a zillion times worse. If I remember right, she resigned when it passed. It was done super sneakily. Hearings had been held about the proposed law the previous summer and it was supposedly tabled then as far as anyone in Congress knew.

Her assistant then, Michael Greenberger of the U. of Md. is very knowledgeable too along with Sheila Bair of the FDIC. Look up the wikis on them and read what they wrote and said. There were some good hearings about it too, which were on C-SPAN. Also I'm pretty sure Amy Goodman interviewed Brooksley Born extensively about it. (Eliot Spitzer too, in New York tried to rein in the banks around this time and Bush Jr. took legal action to force him to back off!)

I remember these events in real time, and Thom is spot on. What he won't say, I will... the crash was done on purpose. The conditions to make it happen were deliberately put in place and there's no possibility they could have been an accident.

This makes my blood boil. This poor excuse for a woman, HRC, must never be President. I wouldn't put it past her making Phil Gramm her Secretary of Treasury! There is nothing she wouldn't do, no outrage she wouldn't commit. This effing TEARS IT!!!

I didn't know Gensler was her advisor. My God! And the two of them cooked that up for her to trot out at the Town Hall! I have no words. Shameless is far too weak for her. The whole lot of them ought to be doing time, frankly.

[Duval]

87. K&R!

[Enthusiast]

89. K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations!

Hillary supporters, watch this one all the way through. Then I want you to tell me if you still support Hillary for office. If so, why.

In my opinion this is a devastating revelation. This demonstrates that the Clinton Administration is far more responsible for the 2008 economic collapse than we have been led to believe. It has been hard to follow all the many leads, the many players and wild assertions since 2008. This piece by Thom brings the entire thing into crystal clear focus.

As if all that wasn't bad enough, Hillary actually accused Bernie of voting for the bill. That has to break the record for being the most disingenuous thing ever said during a primary debate.

Just when I thought my opinion of Bill and Hillary Clinton could not get any lower. I guess I was wrong.

Does this not go to the very heart of the ethics issue? Don't you care that your candidate has been proven to be unethical in the extreme?

[Live and Learn]

90. K&R Love Hartmann and appreciate him for introducing Bernie to so many of us. bt

[azmom]

101. Kicketykick

[LW1977]

102. Thom Hartmann also said we should vote for whoever the dems nominated..

Listen to Mic 92.1 FM via iheartradio, they air that soundbyte all the time!

[Boldine]

103. Thank you OP

I miss listening to Thom.

This is an old article, but has some good information. It also looks at Clinton's donor list.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-17/hillary-clinton-grooming-former-goldman-banker-become-americas-next-treasury-secreta

If it is a Clinton vs Cruz for president Goldmann Sachs can't lose, but the country certainly will.

[uponit7771]

108. Sigh, Cornell West

[WiffenPoof]

111. All I can do is shake my head...

She wants my support...my vote. How can I bring myself to support someone who is so disingenuous?. I just don't get it.

[scottie55]

112. The Truth Sucks

HRC

[me b zola]

115. Reminds me

of how long I have been waiting for the new season of House of Cards to come to Netflix.

[pat_k]

119. Kick'n'rec (nt)

[longship]

121. Wow! Great one!

Clinton supporters. What are you for?

Great tag line.

[PonyUp]

122. kick n/t