Hillary takes minority votes for granted; Bernie doesn't

[brentspeak]

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Likewise, Hillary is funded by the same banks and financial institutions which have helped keep many minority communities poor and in debt, but Bernie has fought his whole life to protect minority communities and all communities from Wall Street fraud.

But you are not powerless; you have the power to vote for the best possible candidate for you and your family: Bernie Sanders.

(this message applicable for all voters of all backgrounds, of course)

[bravenak]

1. Oh thank you for enlightening us on stuff we already know

But see here! We see it differently, thank you for your 'attention' to our votes.

[rbrnmw]

10. smh

[CorporatistNation]

23. To Ignore THIS Is Tantamount To Treason!

And THIS...

And THIS...

And THIS...

UNBELIEVABLE... INCOMPREHENSIBLE That ANYONE can actually trust THIS candidate...

Nothing hurtful or untruthful as every second is the candidate impugning herself.

[rbrnmw]

24. ....

[CorporatistNation]

41. So COMPLETE ABSCENCE of ETHICS Does NOT Matter.... Unfucking Believable!

So what do you do... Work on Wall Street? In BED W/ Clinton Incorporated AND Goldman looks like... You must not be scraping for your next meal I imagine or among the ranks of the unemployed of ANY ethnicity...

Hence, you are in every sense of the word... NOT Progressive... Just like your Heroine!

[rbrnmw]

44. ....

[bravenak]

46. -

[MrWendel]

76. Come on guys...

what was being said was.....

screw it.

[mythology]

77. Good lord.

It's really sad that you think, even with the harshest interpretation, what you posted merits being called treason.

[bravenak]

29. +1

[CorporatistNation]

28. How Do You Know That The Poster Here Is Not African American or Chinese for that matter?

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[bravenak]

31. BECAUSE HE IS A LONG TERM POSTER IN GOOD STANDING

AND I DO NOT PREFER KILLER MIKE AT ALL. He is a low grade artist who was on an Outkast song and won an award from that. I DO NOT LIKE HIS LYRICS.

[bobbobbins01]

54. Low grade?

Run the Jewels 2 was one of the best hip hop albums of 2014. You may not like his lyrics, but that doesn't mean you can ignore the critical acclaim of that album and try to downplay it by saying hes just some Outkast guest artist, and it definitely doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's talking about politically. Even if he was the shittiest hip hop artist on the planet, what he says politically may be spot on.

[bravenak]

55. Not it WASNT

[bobbobbins01]

56. Yup, sure was.

But don't let facts deter you.

[bravenak]

61. Please.

I write poetry and his is NOT GOOD

[bobbobbins01]

62. Ugh, from wikipedia:

The A.V. Club The 20 Best Albums of 2014 #2
Billboard Ten Best Rap Albums of 2014 #2
Complex 50 Best Albums of 2014 #1
Consequence of Sound Top 50 Albums of 2014 #2
Pitchfork Media The Best Albums of 2014 #1
Rolling Stone 40 Best Rap Albums of 2014 #1
Spin 40 Best Hip-Hop Albums of 2014 #1
Stereogum 40 Best Rap Albums of 2014 #1
Vibe 46 Best Albums of 2014 #2

You may not personally like him, but that is what critical acclaim looks like.

[bravenak]

66. Terrible rapper

Never made a number one cause he is terrible! Lil wayne is way better. And he done went hollywood! Hell, MEEK MILL is better.

[bobbobbins01]

68. Ok, keep up the good work.

Bye.

[JonLeibowitz]

79. It is confirming to see facts do not stand in the way of a good narrative for some on DU. n/t

[bravenak]

80. Look. Go read his lyrics

Then come back and tell me you like it. U wont like it

[JonLeibowitz]

81. Well, I have never found a rap album I enjoy

(please change my mind, I would love to be proven wrong, I just cannot enjoy hip-hop/rap; i prefer 1960s-1980s rock and romantic-period chamber music)

But that is proof of critical acclaim (i.e. the 'best album') if I ever saw it.

[bravenak]

82. Um.

http://genius.com/Killer-mike-big-beast-lyrics

[JonLeibowitz]

84. Yeah that is incomprehensible to me. But I think that of a lot of hip-hop.

I am really not qualified to say that that is any more or less crap than other artists. Which it might be. I don't know.

I do know is that he meets the level of critical acclaim to say without contest that he had one of the "best" hip-hop albums of 2014.

[bravenak]

85. Deaf critics

[Bohemianwriter]

71. So how do you see it?

Bernie doesn't "understand" you the way Hillary and Chelsea does?


Chelsea Clinton supports mass incarceration of black youth. Turns out her mother who once called them "super predators" have donors among the private prison plantation owners...

VOTE HILLARY! And more private prisons for black youth who needs to be "brought to heel!"

[bravenak]

72. This is the problem

[Bohemianwriter]

73. By all means...

Don't exhaust your vocabulary now....

[bravenak]

75. SMH

[Bohemianwriter]

74. P.S.

Can't wait to see her arrest record from the civil rights era and the transcripts from her Wall Street speeches.

Since she can just tap into that now, why not do as Bernie did?

Release the transcripts?
What has she got to hide? And whatever intellectual pride are you trying to protect?

[tularetom]

2. I guess you haven't heard, whitesplainin is frowned upon around here

Gotta let people figure this stuff out for themselves.

[72DejaVu]

4. Whoa!

Did you just whitesplain whitesplaining to that guy?

[tularetom]

16. I've been accused of it so many times I just keep my mouth shut now

It ain't gonna be me that gets crapped on if Hillary Clinton or another republican gets elected.

Others will just have to live with the consequences of their choice.

[72DejaVu]

3. Hey, guess what

Not all members of minority groups are poor.

No, really. Who knew?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. Maybe I suffer from confirmation bias...

Maybe I suffer from confirmation bias but here in the City Of Angels I see people of all colors rocking Benzs, Lexuses, and BMWs.

[72DejaVu]

32. Oligarchs!

[Politicalboi]

5. Bernie needs commercials that tell people this

It's time we throw the kitchen sink at her.

[brooklynite]

17. Maybe narrated by Cornel West?

[JI7]

53. no, Bernie needed to go to the people himself and talk directly to them

and let them ask him questions.

it's too late for it to be that effective. but i still think he would get a lot more out of holding a few small gatherings this week than tv ads .

[firebrand80]

6. Thankya kindly boss! *tapdances out of thread*

[CorporatistNation]

25. Corporatist Enablers! Fools and Charlatans....

If someone accepts this in a candidate then they have no rationale to complain about George Bush or any other Republican...

[shenmue]

86. So, just direct name-calling now? Do you even want to bother with an argument?

[bravenak]

33. +1

[HooptieWagon]

7. Sanders is trying to reach out to them...

...to at least give him a listen. If they want to ignore him and cast their vote for the status quo, then there's little we can do to change their mind.

[CorporatistNation]

45. As I Like To Say, "Ignorance Is OUR Greatest Threat!"

It truly is... A Hillary Presidency will truly herald the absolute end of America as it could have been... TOTAL THIRD World here we come.

However, Hillary will NEVER be President unless the vote is completely FIXED... Americans from all walks of life will come out in droves to vote... AGAINST HER... because it will be personal for them...

[rbrnmw]

8. what don't you understand about racism?

It's not all about economics. Black folks don't all live in the projects. A black man could be a Wall Street fat cat, but still not be able to catch a cab. Oprah can't go into shops without her makeup without being followed by store security.

[brentspeak]

11. And in what way would Hillary help improve that situation?

She would help it by stepping out of the way while Wall Street fat cats saddle entire urban communities in household debt and fraudulent mortgages???

[rbrnmw]

14. I am sure she would do more than just throw money at the problem

[brentspeak]

18. "Just throw money at the problem"?

Working to prevent Wall Street from exploiting communities is "throwing money at the problem"?

Fox News regular viewing at your house?

[rbrnmw]

21. no I don't watch Fox news

repeating this same message over and over to black folks works in the opposite way you want it to. It's condescending and rude, People vote for who they want to, badgering them just makes them want to ignore you. If you want to help Bernie stop doing this.

[brentspeak]

22. Yeah, to stop pointing out that Hillary works hand-in-hand

with the same people who have been decimating American citizens of all backgrounds (especially minorities) is "condescending and rude", but leaving that information out and attempting to smear Bernie as someone who's "out of touch" with minority voters isn't.

[CorporatistNation]

26. Nice!!!!

Fools Charlatans.... ANYONE who supports this candidate of such undeniably poor character...

[Bohemianwriter]

52. Perhaps releasing...

long term pot convicts and replace them with a couple of banksters?

[Ed Suspicious]

64. I would support that swap.

[Bohemianwriter]

67. Doesn't seem like...

there are many Hillary supporters who agree with us.

They are "concerned"... and are not as big allies of persecuted minorities after all. Remember, they are "super predators" doing hard time these days! All 2 million of them!

[Ed Suspicious]

69. The "Black as Brute" caricature is as old as slavery in America. I'm surprised that she

would put such disdain for a major segment of our population on such public display and recorded into history for all time. She wasn't always such a friend of the black community after all, I guess.

[Bohemianwriter]

70. The "good ole' Buckwheat caricature...

That was so precious...

Yep! She certainly "owns" those black votes alright!

[Ed Suspicious]

58. I'm sure she would. Now let's hear how Hillary would help the situation, specifically. We know

Bernie's approach is to hack away at the institutional racism that keeps poor people poor and keeps blacks fearing for their lives when they get pulled over by the cops, and that keeps fathers in jail and people out of work.

I don't know what Hillary's target is let alone her plan. Let's hear it. I'm all ears.

[rbrnmw]

59. why don't you look it up yourself

I don't do secretary

[Ed Suspicious]

63. So that's how discussion and debate works? I think you might have lost this round by

refusing to show up.

[LexVegas]

9. More paternalism helps. nt

[Ed Suspicious]

65. P1.) We want help! OK. P2.) Here's what I'm going to try to do. P1.)Stop talking down to me!

Great script.

[wyldwolf]

12. you should totally be a strategic advisor to Sanders

[johnlucas]

13. This Black understands & will vote for Bernie

Hopefully my fellow Blacks & other people of color will come around.
Track record speaks volumes & YouTube shows it all.

Bernie Sanders & Hillary Clinton Over The Years: Then vs. Now

Hillary Clinton in Black History

Erica Garner endorsement of Bernie Sanders for President

Ready to put him over the top in Georgia come Super Tuesday.
And have already donated to his campaign.

Bernie Sanders is not just the best possible candidate for me & my family, he's the best possible candidate for EVERYBODY & their families.
John Lucas

[brentspeak]

20. Well said

Looking forward to a Georgia win

[johnlucas]

37. If only we had enough numbers to make Georgia go his way in the general election

But Atlanta & Savannah & Liberty County are getting stronger every day.
Sooner than later we'll be able to push back the Confederate block strangling this state.

For the primary however, this is gonna be one of the most energized votes I have made in quite some time.
Can't WAIT for Super Tuesday!!
I wanna get that doom & gloom out of Cenk Uygur's face.
He let himself get too down after Nevada's results.
This fight has just begun! He'll be smiling again soon.

John Lucas

[CorporatistNation]

47. Well Done JL! We Should Hope That Eventually The Facts Will Prevail Over Blind Loyalty To A Myth!

Thanks for the additional info to help people understand better what the TRUTH is.

[HooptieWagon]

49. +1000

[MohRokTah]

15. Yeah, that'll turn things around

[artislife]

27. This Latina to Latinos

Wake the eff up!

She doesn't give a real flying eff about us. She just likes our votas.

[johnlucas]

38. ˇˇCorrecto!! You couldn't GET more Correct!

artislife, we have insulation from Hillary's mass media tactics.
The internet is the key.
All you gotta do is show the video to your friends & family on social media.
Tweet it. Facebook it. Tumblr it. Even e-mail it for the ones who still use that.
Show her record in her own words.

They say pictures speak louder than words. Video speaks louder than pictures.
And now the internet is literally in people's hands.
They shoulda NEVER invented the smartphone!
Because now people are about to get smart on what's really going on.

John Lucas

[CorporatistNation]

50. CORRECTAMUNDO JOHN L!

NICE!!

[bravenak]

34. +1

[brentspeak]

35. The Citizens United playbook is played by billionaires and corps donating huge amounts at a time

Which is how Hillary receives the bulk of her money.

Sanders, on the other hand, receives small amounts from great numbers of ordinary American citizens -- fundraising which has nothing to do with Citizens United.

If you're going to invoke Citizens United, at least know what you're talking about first.

[rbrnmw]

36. mmm hmmm

[BainsBane]

40. Exactly.

[Armstead]

48. Why spend efforts on states one has already been predicted to lose in?

There are a lot of states -- including demographically diverse ones -- he has to cover to try to catch up.

Don't spout that divisive crap that it';s because he "doesn't care" about minorities.

Amnd as for those ad buys -- He paid for the damn ads from average people like me who gave what we could afford. They aren't being paid for by Goldman Sachs and K Street lobbyists

[uponit7771]

90. +1

[BainsBane]

39. How has he fought for minority communities his whole life?

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Communities like Sierra Blanca? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eoin-higgins/what-about-sierra-blanca-bernie_b_9233818.html

If Clinton takes those votes for granted and Bernie doesn't, who does she have relationships with minority groups that go back decades while Bernie only recently started courting them? Why is his rhetoric on immigration during the campaign such a departure from his voting record over 25 years in congress?

And if she takes those votes for granted, why does she employ the largest percentage of minority staffers and devote so much attention to minority community groups, especially when the cameras aren't running?

What evidence do you have for any of the claims in your post?

Here's a tip for winning minority votes: don't have a support base that leads attacks against civil rights leaders, calling them liars and sell outs because they have the audacity to exercise their own democratic rights, or have the nerve to talk about their own experiences with racism and nativism.

In all these threads talking about what is wrong with people of color for not supporting Bernie, I have yet to see concern for those Americans. What I have seen repeatedly is outrage that they don't vote as told.

I'm sorry you don't feel one vote is enough for you, that you feel compelled to demand fealty from great swaths of the population, people you don't even know. But alas, being a Sanders supporter does not make you more equal. I know it's a travesty of justice that such inherent superiority is not enshrined in the law, anymore, but time marches on.

[Armstead]

43. Divide and conquer people who basically agree -- Great way to ensure a GOP win

[bravenak]

60. +1

[redstateblues]

78. Bernie come lately

[bravenak]

83. .

[JustAnotherGen]

89. You were alerted on for this

One person voted to hide and I suspect the rest of us read the alerters comments (called you a bitch ) And decided you could have written:

Burn down the Democratic Party and Vote Trump! - and we six would have voted to leave it.

I alerted Admin and hope the five in agreement with me clicked the Alert Abuse button on the email confirmation of jury duty they received too.

[msanthrope]

91. I certainly did. nt

[JustAnotherGen]

94. Thanks! n/t

[uponit7771]

92. +1

[Armstead]

42. Do not address common concerns. Didn't you read the memo?

[Lorien]

57. Hillary takes every voter without an Amex black card for granted

that's been pretty well established.

[shenmue]

87. No, try again

When you're this insular, no wonder you lose.

[Betty Karlson]

88. Not just minority votes: women votes too. And for some reason GLBT votes, even.

I guess she feels very entitled.

[JustAnotherGen]

93. My family earns more than 100K per year

Black woman who still supports Martin O'Malley.

We don't have children.
We don't have student debt.
We pay property taxes in both the U.S. and Italy (husband is an Italian citizen). About 9K in the U.S. and 1500 there. It's a civic duty.
I give five figures to the UNCF each year.

My goal in 2016 is to secure property between Jaco and Manuel Antonio in CR (we are in our 40's) so we can escape America in a few years.

What's In It For Me? Why should my money to reach back and help those in my community who just need a shot at Spelman or Howard be diverted to a fund which based upon past American behavior - black people will be shut out of.

Past behavior being present :

The marginalization of blacks and Latinos in urban centers with shitty schools that deliberately left a kid graduating from high school in 2016 unable to enter college in the fall and be able to succeed in four years because of remedial work requirements?

Can you swear on your mother's soul or first born child's life that we won't end up in another FHA whites only policy for a good 35 years?

The school districts of today are a result of that policy which went up to 1968.

Or - if you were black on the 2010 census can you have access to this new Great New Deal but stay at your current tax rate with an automatic sunset in the year 2051? That would serve to say

Here's the head start our parents and grandparents received that yours didn't.

I don't know how to write it or say it but Clinton or Sanders - Cruz or Kasich - DC or State House - AMERICA has a serious credibility problem with black people.

AMERICA is not accountable.

We were supposed to be included during the New Deal as people but we weren't.

All of these years later : What's In It For Me. What's in it for me to take the oxygen mask off a black kid from Camden NJ who gets into Spelman but needs the financial assistance and extra tutoring and support that Spelman can provide her and give a hand out to the undeserving Abigail Fischers in America?