Muted response to Sanders at South Carolina Church

[bravenak]

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/21/muted-response-to-sanders-at-south-carolina-church/?smid=tw-share&_r=1

[Metric System]

1. I'm sure the meal was delicious.

[bravenak]

8. I kinda want to be there

Sounds good, I want collard greens right now with hamhocks. Or fat back. Even bacon. Mmmm!

[wildeyed]

19. Collard greens was a dish

I was not familiar with until I moved south. I tried it the first time and was like Oh hell yes! I stalk a local food truck that makes it with just a hint of smoky flavor and not too much vinegar.

[bravenak]

26. Mmm mmm mmmm!!

They have it in the can now so i can be lazy. Good as hell. I use red wine vinegar now. High class and such. Makes me feel like an oligarch.

[wildeyed]

44. Speaking of oligarchs....

I'm a LOLigarch now! Short for snarky Clinton supporters, I guess. Peace Nikki came up with the term last night

[bravenak]

55. Oh I love her!!!

Oh it is so perfect!!

[Gothmog]

293. That is a cute term

[sheshe2]

297. In love collards....

And I love

LOLigarch

[wildeyed]

364. My full handle will now be

The LOLigarch of Love. But friends can call me Your LOLigarchness

Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah
Some call me the LOLigarch of love



Things were giddy that night

[sheshe2]

366. Ha!

Love!

[one_voice]

97. OMG...I love Collards...

My dad is southern. I learned from his family.

[wildeyed]

123. I should learn to make my own.

But I just stalk that food truck or go to Mert's or the BBQ place near work to get a fix.... I need to get that dash of smoky flavor. They probably add a touch of liquid smoke.

[wildeyed]

2. Well written piece.

The ending is poignant.

“No, no, no, are you ready to dream big?” Mr. Jealous said.

“Yes, fired up,” a few more in the crowd offered, but most continued to eat silently.

[72DejaVu]

6. Fired Up!

Ready to my damn chicken.

[bravenak]

9. I felt very moved

[72DejaVu]

3. Sounds like Bernie clinging to Obama

in order to get the black vote.

[bravenak]

12. Maybe even 'hugging'?

[sheshe2]

47. Yes....

Oh wait, never mind.

[bravenak]

59. I love that photo

[Nonhlanhla]

275. Oh man

This chokes me up. There is so much history in that picture. So much blood and tears behind it.

[Gothmog]

294. John Lewis is a national treasure

I have met him and have signed copies of both March 1 and March 2

[uponit7771]

115. Nah, Cornell West will come stump for Sanders... that'll get everyone all fired up and ready to

... not vote for Sanders.

I don't see how West was even needed...

Sanders is going to want that back

[bravenak]

120. !

So true

[MADem]

252. Ouch--that left a mark! LOL! nt

[Number23]

328. Don't it? And after all the times he's trashed the president, I'm sure that Obama is sitting in the

WH laughing his natural ass off at all of this.

[Cha]

346. Ooooooooooops.

[Luminous Animal]

4. Celebrate!

[bravenak]

13. .

[Cali_Democrat]

14. He called for Obama to face a primary challenger in 2012

This really doesn't sit well.

Bernie did it to himself.

[bravenak]

16. +1

[Luminous Animal]

25. How horrible! Just disgusting that any human being dare…DARE, I say to suggest

a challenge to the status quo.

This is simply not done amongst polite company.

[Cali_Democrat]

34. Let's see him try to explain it to blacks in South Carolina

....and let's see how that works out.

So far.....not so well, eh?

A primary challenge only would have weakened Obama in the 2012 general election and it would have accomplished nothing, but help the GOP. The people sitting in that church know it.

It was a stupid fucking idea and now it's coming back to bite him.

[Luminous Animal]

49. And you know this how? How it would have weakened him? Perhaps it would have made him stronger?

Certainly, Hillary facing a challenge from the left has made Hillary step her lefty game.

[Cali_Democrat]

62. Obama was a sitting president and he was strong enough. He won almost every single swing state.

You think with a protracted primary battle, he would have won even more states? I'll have whatever you're smoking.

Like I said, let Bernie explain to blacks in South Carolina why he wanted the first African American president to face primary opposition during his reelection campaign.

I'm sure blacks in South Carolina will flock to Bernie in droves.

[Feeling the Bern]

228. Supporting TPP, Ramping up the war on pot, letting the Bush Tax Cuts stand, taking the public

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option out of the ACA and removing single payer immediately, domestic spying, not closing Gitmo, not prosecuting the Bush War Criminals, having his Sec. of Education call teachers "the bottom of the barrel," etc.

I can see why the left would consider mounting a primary challenge in 2012. Some of us think the principles are more important than party.

[Nonhlanhla]

273. And some Bernie supporters

seem to be pretty tone deaf about just how important Obama is to the African American community.

[Feeling the Bern]

299. His Justice Departmetn ramped up the drug war, which specifically targets AA's.

Eric Holder specifically went after pot smokers!

[bravenak]

310. And we still like him way better than Bernie

[turbinetree]

276. Yes, you are correct........................

Honk---------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

[CorporatistNation]

301. AGREED! Barack "Governed" Well To The RIGHT of GWB! Hence The Hint of A Challenge!

Patriot Act Ck! Military Commissions Act Ck.... ACA is a gift to BIG Insurance for the most part with a few sugar cubes thrown in to "sell it!" Bush War Criminals skate is correct... BTW... Let's Go Buffalo!!!!

[Duval]

307. Luminous Animal, do you and me a favor by going back and looking at the CONTEXT in which he

said this. This was when Obama was talking about messing with Social Security. It is out there, because i've seen it. Now, if Hillary supporters want to distort the truth, just let 'em for now. It isn't worth your time to argue with them.

[sheshe2]

52. Yes, it was a stupid idea.

“Yes, fired up,” a few more in the crowd offered, but most continued to eat silently.

Crowd seems indifferent. Hmmmm.

[Starry Messenger]

53. He can do anything he wants.

But actions have consequences.

[Beacool]

119. He could say that because he wasn't a Democrat in 2012.

Politicians usually do not run against a sitting president of their own party. Kennedy running against Carter proved to be disastrous for the Democrats.

[INdemo]

137. So Did Bill Clinton..he wanted Hillary to challlenge him. Want Proof?

[Cali_Democrat]

145. Sure. Provide proof from a non right wing source.

Also, make sure they're actual quotes from Bill Clinton.

Thank you in advance.

[INdemo]

180. Clinton wanted Obama challenged in 2012

"Obama doesn't know how to be president," Mr Clinton told friends and political advisers last year, the article added.

"He doesn't know how the world works," Mr Clinton had said. Mr Klein said Mr Clinton had convened a meeting at his Chappaqua, Westchester, home to urge his wife to challenge Mr Obama for the 2012 nomination.


http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/bill-clinton-made-racist-remarks-about-barack-obama-in-2008-report-498484

[frylock]

186. But Bill Clinton is an icon, and as we've learned this weekend..

icons get a special pass for saying stupid shit, or lying.

[CorporatistNation]

304. ABSOLUTELY ABSOLUTELY!

Just like the friggin skirt wearing candidate... opps... Pantsuit... My mistake!

[Beacool]

196. How low will some of you go to attack the Clintons?

You know where that article came from? From a quote by Ed Klein who wrote it in his book "The Amateur: Barack Obama in the White House." That conversation never took place. Do some research on Ed Klein.

[INdemo]

360. Not as low as you have gone attacking Bernie Sanders

Any other NYT writer that tries to discredit Bernie Sanders ..oh well hes ok Right?


Of course Bill Clinton made this statement and he also said "a few years ago he would have (referring to Obama) been carrying our luggage"

By the way When is Hillary going to release her speech transcripts?
When they are released are you going to say some reporter made all that stuff up


But you say Bernie Sanders is not running against Bill Clinton Correect he is not.But when Bill Clinton goes out on the stump and lies about Bernie Sanders or any of his goals or issues then Bill Clinton is fair game and there is a lot to talk about with Bill.
Did you know that Bill got so negative against Barrack Obama in 2008 the campaign staff harnessed him and kept him back stage? But couldn't keep him there...because well thats Bill

[Beacool]

371. What the hell are you talking about?????

Anyone questioning Sanders' agenda is "low"?

BTW, you want to know what low is? It's Ed Klein proclaiming in his 2005 book about Hillary that Chelsea was conceived through rape. Even conservatives panned Klein's book. If you are going to post something on a Democratic site, at least bother to check your sources. Ed Klein is nothing but filth.

Now, again, who is going low here?

[Cali_Democrat]

205. I told you to provide a non right wing source

and I asked for direct quote from Bill. Excerpts from a right wing author's book doesn't count.

Check your source...and read up on Ed Klein.

Then get back to me again.

[Duval]

308. Thank you INdemo, for finding that. nt

[Cali_Democrat]

314. Check the source.

There's no actual quote from Bill Clinton. It's an excerpt from a book written by a right winger who also writes for Rupert Murdoch's New York Post.

[frylock]

183. If I may paraphrase Hillary Supporter..

Obama has forgiven him.

[Goblinmonger]

373. He wanted to try push Obama to the left for his second term

That's a bad thing? Or are we pretending that Obama didn't move to the middle?

[bravenak]

376. Bad move if he needed the back vote

Most of us are not with that. I say once it get around more, his numbers slide. Obama is like out George Washington or Lincoln. Those are not OUR founding fathers. He is.

[Cali_Democrat]

5. But he's got Cornel West....

[bravenak]

11. And Killer Mike's SOUL FOOD

[giftedgirl77]

20. Fuckin priceless.

[bravenak]

22. Today is killin me

The laughter!! Damn! This is.... Enjoyable.

[rbrnmw]

27. sure is

[bravenak]

30. You know what time it is...

[rbrnmw]

35. ...

[wildeyed]

76. You earned it.

[bravenak]

79. Thank you!!!

This is much better than money

[Number23]

330. She damn sure did

[Luminous Animal]

39. Killer Mike is an honest agent. He does not troll.

[bravenak]

60. Listen to his lyrics

[uponit7771]

95. +1, they're easy to read... he's in someways as bad as Sanders but with Sanders he understands

... how congress works and how it can have an influence on a presidents agenda.

Mike doesn't

[MrWendel]

249. Unless...

you have a Uterus.

[Kentonio]

344. Were you offended when Jane Elliott said it, or just when Killer Mike quoted her?

[MrWendel]

354. Both...

It's a sexist statement regardless if a man said it or a woman. Or if the man claims innocence claiming it's okay because a woman said it and he's just quoting her.

[Kentonio]

357. Ok, that's twice in 2 minutes I've seen people misusing the word sexist.

Definition of sexism. 1 : prejudice or discrimination based on sex; especially : discrimination against women. 2 : behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex.

He was directly quoting Jane Elliot as saying the following..

"Michael, a uterus doesn't qualify you to be president of the United States. You have to have policy that's reflective of social justice. Paying women a fair wage is social justice. Making sure that minorities have jobs is social justice. Ending a bullshit drug war is social justice."

That's basically the polar opposite of sexism. Please stop misusing highly emotive words.

[MrWendel]

367. "Michael,...

a uterus doesn't qualify you to be president of the united states." Everything else is canceled out with that sentence. As if the ONLY reason Clinton is running is because she has a uterus.

[Kentonio]

368. It was a direct rebuttal of Hillary using 'Vote to make me the first woman president' as an argument

She opened that unseemly can of worms, so she can hardly complain after she's called on it.

[MrWendel]

369. Your right...

but apparently Bernie supports think that's all she's running on or qualified for.

[Kentonio]

370. I just think the whole primary has gotten totally out of hand

Unfortunately I see it getting worse rather than better. Not good for any of us.

[MrWendel]

378. I agree...

it's like physics, the law of primaries is everyone goes to they're different tribes. And just like 2008 we all pull the same direction when we absolutely have to.

I hope the civil war ends too.

[SunSeeker]

65. LOL

[rbrnmw]

24. I wish he would take Cornel West

into a church down there.

[bravenak]

31. Me too!

[Cha]

343. Me too! Thought he'd take Ben Jealous.. but, that didn't seem to help.

[CorkySt.Clair]

7. My favorite line

"While some applauded politely as he offered now-familiar lines about racial discrimination, the loudest claps came when he talked about President Obama."

[bravenak]

10. I guess we really like Obama

He seems to have given him a hug

[CorkySt.Clair]

15. Yep

He's "evolving". Just a few years ago he wanted someone else in the White House.

[bravenak]

17. Funny how times change innit?

[CorkySt.Clair]

21. Funny indeed.

[Joe the Revelator]

63. And 8 years ago Hillary wouldn't drop out of the race in case something 'bad'...

...were to happen to Obama. Funny innit?

[CorkySt.Clair]

70. She dropped out 2 months before he was nominated

But nice meme.

You have a nice Bernie evening.

[Joe the Revelator]

73. You obviously don't remember 08.

That's ok, enjoy your first campaign!

[CorkySt.Clair]

85. She suspended her campaign on June 7, 2008

He was nominated in Denver on August 28, 2008.

Two months and 21 days, to be exact.

Looks like it's your memory that's on the blink.

[Joe the Revelator]

98. Here's your history lesson...I can't help you with the reading comprehension.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0508/Hillary_cites_RFK_assasination_in_explaining_why_shes_still_in_race.html

Hillary Clinton today cited the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy during the 1968 presidential campaign to explain why she was remaining in the race despite long odds.

"We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California," Clinton told the editorial board of a South Dakota newspaper. " I don't understand it," Clinton added, alluding to the calls for her to quit.

[CorkySt.Clair]

109. She apologized so not a big deal to me as an Obama supporter

But you keep on living in 2008.

[Joe the Revelator]

117. Hillary's past and her campaign tactics are important.

But like I said, enjoy your first primary season! See you in 2020.

[CorkySt.Clair]

128. My first was in 1992

But I enjoyed your Bernsplainin.

Btw, Bernie said today on MTP he's taking it to the convention. We'll see in a month or so if he's still viable, but maybe he's worried about Hillary's health?

[Joe the Revelator]

150. You know how I know I can't take you seriously?

You say things like 'Bernsplanin' and mean them.

[CorkySt.Clair]

173. You know how I know I can't take you seriously?

The laughable premise that you really care about something Hillary said 8 years ago about a president you have no use for. A president, if I'm to believe the bleating posted here on a daily basis from Bernie supporters, sold out long ago to the corporatist oligarchy.

But you have a wonderful Bernie evening.

[Joe the Revelator]

174. That was some great word salad. Seriously, keep up the good work.

[Kentonio]

347. Sure, she might have used cynical racist campaign tactics

Along with near constant lies and deception and even suggested that Obama might be assassinated so it was worth her staying in the race, but hey she apologized so clean slate right?

[brer cat]

105. From ABCNews:

Clinton Concedes Democratic Nomination; Obama Leads Party in Fall

By KATE SNOW
ELOISE HARPER

June 7, 2008

11 Shares
Email

Sen. Hillary Clinton conceded the Democratic nomination to Sen. Barack Obama Saturday in Washington.

[bigtree]

18. interesting

...thanks for posting.


...melt in your mouth greens cooking all morning with bacon fat.

[bravenak]

23. Got me hungry!!

Maybe he shoulda ate first then spoke.

[mgmaggiemg]

33. now you are making me laugh

[bravenak]

66. .

[bettyellen]

272. did he not sit down and eat first? that is uncouth!

[bravenak]

278. Manners manners!!

I learned my manners from my southern granny. Cannot talk at folks while they eat, now!

[bettyellen]

288. Why didn't he have the sense to ask for 20 minutes before and sit with them afterward?

He should have known that would be alienating.

[bravenak]

290. I feel mad at his CAMPAIGN STAFF

Who should have advised him better

[firebrand80]

41. They'll taste better tomorrow nt

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[michaz]

28. Guess I wouldn't call them overly polite. n/t

[bravenak]

42. I would call them not impressed

[michaz]

48. How would one know, it appears they weren't listening. n/t

[bravenak]

165. Heard it before

[uponit7771]

104. Cornell West?! tia

[Politicalboi]

29. Let them ignore him at their own peril

[rbrnmw]

37. ...

[alcibiades_mystery]

38. Wait, what?

[wildeyed]

56. Really?

Care to re-phrase that?

[uponit7771]

61. Cornell West made sure we're not going to ignore him

[bravenak]

68. Forshadowings of DOOM!!

[KingFlorez]

216. Oh, how ominous

[Starry Messenger]

250. What peril should they fear?

Folks in a church in Charleston were all shot to death by a white supremacist? You want to foment more fear? Nice

[Agschmid]

296. .... good lord.

[Cha]

349. ....

[NuclearDem]

372. Threatening black South Carolina church-goers.

Lovely.

[mgmaggiemg]

32. thanks for posting ;)

[bravenak]

69. No prob

[livetohike]

36. Does he give the same speech everywhere he goes? He doesn't

tailor it to the state or people he is talking to. At least the church members had a good meal .

[rbrnmw]

40. right?

[firebrand80]

43. He moved "mass incaceration" to point one

And added an "Obama good" to point two.

Was that not enough?

[azurnoir]

46. No he doesn't do regional dialects like some of candidates I know of

[bravenak]

71. Yes, same speech

[NurseJackie]

126. Apparently so ...

... even when answering questions from a moderator on an entirely different subject (foreign policy for example). No lie ... we've seen it before.

[Loudestlib]

134. He probably uses a teleprompter.

[Hoyt]

45. If the congregation has been reading his supporters' comments here, they would have asked him to

turn around and leave.

[bravenak]

72. +1

[fun n serious]

78. Yes they would. nt

[ismnotwasm]

374. Yup.

[brer cat]

50. He called them "brothers and sisters."

Bet that got some eye rolls.

[bravenak]

74. Giggle!

[rbrnmw]

113. .....

[lmbradford]

176. confused....

Bernie Sanders was arrested in 1963 for protesring segregation and worked tirelessly for equality. During that same time, Hillary Clinton was working on the Goldwater campaign FOR segregation as a registered Republican but people act as if he has no credentials?? Up is down and down is up.....I missed something. Bill does Not equal Hillary.

[Beacool]

201. Yeah, except that she was 17 years old.

Give it up, it has been repeated ad nauseam and it doesn't improve with repetition. It just sounds silly.

[lmbradford]

242. i am only seeking information

I dont understand why listing what I do know and asking for more real and true info is upsetting to you. I am leaning Bernie but not totally convinced Hillary wont be who I vote for. Im sorry if this is not the place to go for info on the candidates as I am researching but by all means, belittle my questions. Do you feel better about yourself now?

[Nonhlanhla]

291. Might I suggest

that if it's just info you want, that you don't start by repeating the same attack about how Hillary "worked for Goldwater." We all know that. She was 17 years old, for goodness' sake. By the time she was 21, the age of full adulthood, she was a Democrat.

From Wikipedia:
In 1965, Rodham enrolled at Wellesley College, where she majored in political science. During her freshman year, she served as president of the Wellesley Young Republicans;with this Rockefeller Republican-oriented group, she supported the elections of Mayor John Lindsay and of Senator Edward Brooke.She later stepped down from this position, as her views changed regarding the American Civil Rights Movement and the Vietnam War. In a letter to her youth minister at this time, she described herself as "a mind conservative and a heart liberal". In contrast to the 1960s current that advocated radical actions against the political system, she sought to work for change within it.

In her junior year, Rodham became a supporter of the antiwar presidential nomination campaign of Democrat Eugene McCarthy. In early 1968, she was elected president of the Wellesley College Government Association and served through early 1969. Following the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr., Rodham organized a two-day student strike and worked with Wellesley's black students to recruit more black students and faculty. In her student government role, she played a role in keeping Wellesley from being embroiled in the student disruptions common to other colleges. A number of her fellow students thought she might some day become the first female President of the United States.

[lmbradford]

292. thanks

I dont know why that was so hard.

[radical noodle]

329. It was hard

because Bernie supporters keep baiting Hillary supporters to "just tell us what she did." Then, when we spend the time to list the things she's done, they say it's not enough. That's why. There is much more to tell, but you can look it up just like we did. She has worked to help poor, minority and disadvantaged people all her life... but hey, she was a Goldwater girl when she was 17.

[Kentonio]

348. No, there's plenty of things that she's done since which are deeply unconscionable

The Goldwater Girl thing is just funny.

[shenmue]

209. Enjoy your stay

[brer cat]

240. I appreciate that things can be confusing sometimes.

The church meeting being discussed here happened today, not in 1963 when Bernie was in college and Hillary was a teenager in high school. I didn't see anything in the OP article about Bill, but you are correct that Bill doesn't equal Hillary. And up is not down and down is not up, or at least that was true when I was in school, but your experience may vary... I missed the new math and other educational improvements.

[litlbilly]

268. Best to just completely ignore these op's from the Hillarites. They have nothing to offer, period

[lmbradford]

277. yes

I just joined the Sanders group. Why would I even think about a group of people who attack you for asking a real question about the candidate. Geez.

[litlbilly]

285. That's the way I feel, so, it's time to stop taking the bait.

[wildeyed]

362. But keep kicking the thread!

Thanks for that!

[Duval]

309. You are correct, litbilly. My bad for clicking on it.

[rbrnmw]

269. she wasn't old enough to vote, so she wasn't registered anything

I don't know why this same thing is repeated constantly

[lmbradford]

280. honest question

So she was never a registered R? Again, what has she done recently?

[rbrnmw]

287. You have google us it or go to

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/

[Gothmog]

300. There are good reasons why African Americans are not supporting Sanders

There are good reasons why the demographics are not working for Sanders and why many voters including some African American voters are not supporting Sanders. Demographics are important in that this explains one of the big divides between Sanders supporters and Clinton supporters. There is a vast difference in how Sanders supporters and Sanders view President Obama and how other Democrats view President Obama. I admit that I am impressed with the amount accomplished by President Obama in face of the stiff GOP opposition to every one of his proposals and I personally believe that President Obama has been a great President. It seems that this view colors who I am supporting in the primary http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/clinton-sanders-obama_us_56aa378de4b05e4e3703753a?utm_hp_ref=politics

But lurking behind this argument about the future is a dispute that's really about the past. It’s a debate over what Obama accomplished in office -- in particular, how significant those accomplishments really are. And it's been simmering on the left for most of the last seven years.

On one side of this divide are activists and intellectuals who are ambivalent, disappointed or flat-out frustrated with what Obama has gotten done. They acknowledge what they consider modest achievements -- like helping some of the uninsured and preventing the Great Recession from becoming another Great Depression. But they are convinced that the president could have accomplished much more if only he’d fought harder for his agenda and been less quick to compromise.

They dwell on the opportunities missed, like the lack of a public option in health care reform or the failure to break up the big banks. They want those things now -- and more. In Sanders, they are hearing a candidate who thinks the same way.

On the other side are partisans and thinkers who consider Obama's achievements substantial, even historic. They acknowledge that his victories were partial and his legislation flawed. This group recognizes that there are still millions of people struggling to find good jobs or pay their medical bills, and that the planet is still on a path to catastrophically high temperatures. But they see in the last seven years major advances in the liberal crusade to bolster economic security for the poor and middle class. They think the progress on climate change is real, and likely to beget more in the future.

It seems that many of the Sanders supporters hold a different view of President Obama which is also a leading reason why Sanders is not exciting African American voters. Again, it may be difficult for Sanders to appeal to African American voters when one of the premises of his campaign is that Sanders does not think that President Obama is a progressive or a good POTUS.

Again, I am not ashamed to admit that I like President Obama and think that he has accomplished a great deal which is why I do not mind Hillary Clinton promising to continue President Obama's legacy. There are valid reasons why many non-African American democrats (myself included) and many African American Democratic voters are not supporting Sanders.

I understand why Sanders supporters dislike talking about demographics but the fact remain that Sanders supporters tend to not like President Obama and that dislike affects the amount of support that Sanders is getting from certain demographic groups.

[lmbradford]

311. hmm

I think he is a good President and I have heard Sanders say so also. He disagreed with him on a couple of issues as do I. I think Sanders wanted Obama to fight harder, especially for single payer and drug negotiation and felt that Obama won on the yes we can campaign and then let most of it go. Is that unfair in your assessment? I think both of these men are fighting a losing battle unless we can get the money out of politics and I believe only Sanders can do that at this point. Clinton is too tainted by the money. If she didnt have the big money taint, Id vote for her but I was wondering what was keeping African Americans back from Sanders. Thanks for being so candid and speaking with me.

[Gothmog]

318. As for Citizens United and money in politics, I think that Clinton is the best candidate

I dislike Citizens United for a host of reasons and I strongly believe that the only way to get rid of Citizens United is to elect a Democrat in 2016 which is why I am supporting the most electable Democratic candidate. President Obama was against Citizens United but had to use a super pac in 2012 to keep the contest close. Hillary Clinton is against Citizens United and has committed to only appoint SCOTUS justices who will vote to overturn this decision https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/05/14/hillary-clintons-litmus-test-for-supreme-court-nominees-a-pledge-to-overturn-citizens-united/

Hillary Clinton told a group of her top fundraisers Thursday that if she is elected president, her nominees to the Supreme Court will have to share her belief that the court's 2010 Citizens United decision must be overturned, according to people who heard her remarks.

Clinton's emphatic opposition to the ruling, which allowed corporations and unions to spend unlimited sums on independent political activity, garnered the strongest applause of the afternoon from the more than 200 party financiers gathered in Brooklyn for a closed-door briefing from the Democratic candidate and her senior aides, according to some of those present.

"She got major applause when she said would not name anybody to the Supreme Court unless she has assurances that they would overturn" the decision, said one attendee, who, like others, requested anonymity to describe the private session.

If the make-up of the court does not change by 2017, four of the justices will be 78 years of age or older by the time the next president is inaugurated.

This is the only practical way to undo the damage done by Citizen United in that it will be impossible to get a constitutional amendment through congress and the states to undo this decision. That means that if you want to get rid of Citizens United, then one must support a candidate who can win in 2016 and support the most viable general election candidate. I simply do not believe that Sanders is electable and I strongly believe that the best way to overturn Citizens United is to elect Hillary Clinton

[Gothmog]

321. BTW, this video clip is not helping Sanders

I don't care how you spend it but I was offended by that clip. I am not a POC but I am strong supporter of President Obama and I strongly disagree with Sanders on the job that President Obama has done.

[zappaman]

315. Yawn.

I'm sure you're just "seeking information".

[1StrongBlackMan]

359. Maybe, a calendar might clear up your confusion? eom

[Cha]

326. No doubt. channeling cornel west

[nc4bo]

51. 'Clinton "would be the more popular face, the more familiar name" if she were to walk in.'

http://www.kxly.com/news/politics/sanders-makes-surprise-visit-to-sunday-church-supper/38115756

Jackson said he's still an undecided primary voter, adding that he may not reach a final decision until he enters the voting booth next Saturday.

Right now he sees Sanders and Clinton as possessing a similar record on African-American issues.

"In my limited view of things, I've assessed that they're pretty much on the same wavelength with it. I think the two of them are saying what needs to be said -- of course that's politics -- but based on their record, I think the two of them have shown some substantial evidence that they are interested and they are concerned with racial equality," he said.

Jackson added that he thought most of the people in the room knew who Sanders was, though he conceded that Clinton "would be the more popular face, the more familiar name" if she were to walk in.

There's that name and face recognition thing again. Also it was a surprise visit.

Little different perspective......

[bravenak]

77. And she is like, always coming around so that helps

We see her all the time cause here she comes!!! Always there!! Will not leave us ever!!

[nc4bo]

86. Bill and Hill have been in orbit for decades.

A relationship has been built. Like a pair of old slippers.....familiarity and comfortable.

But for people to knock Bernie for not getting out of Vermont......how many Senators actually "get out more"?

He just started this thing wha 9-10 months ago?

Hey may be Jewish but he ain't Jesus.

[bravenak]

93. He was in DC for years

Half of his time. He had time to visit us there. Plenty of blacks and black churches. Think about it. We would remember him.

[nc4bo]

140. Not necessarily. Spend too much time away from your constituency and you'll be

accused of neglecting your State's interests.

Perhaps it should be mandatory that every Senator and every Representative in Congress have a requirement to see how the other side lives? Visit places like Flint or the Navajo Reservation or a farm in rural USA where 10 people live in single-wide trailer or the family home is so dilapidated you can see the outside through the cracks in the walls.

But the question remains, who would you trust to make the lives of all people better? Can't make a decision if you don't have all the information.

Iowa's Other Side: about 39 minutes in. Listen to what these people are saying. Yes, they're speaking of candidates but I'm sure it applies to their elected officials too.

[bravenak]

142. If its a tie

I look to see who hires more of us. She wins. Stumps for us. Raises money for black politicians. Her hands down she has helped us more. Period.

[nc4bo]

147. And I look at the history of the proposed policy and how it would effect the least of us.nt

[bravenak]

149. One can propose utopia but what they do in this dystopia counts more day to day.

[nc4bo]

152. We will never know what is possible or impossible unless we take that leap.nt

[bravenak]

154. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, amen.

[nc4bo]

160. Dammit it Brave, it's a clay pigeon!

(awww man Walking Dead's killing me right now....).

[bravenak]

161. Noooooo!!!!

My cable company dropped AMC!!! I have to see it on netflix.

Really tho. Giving me a job now is worth more than promises of future bliss. Future never comes for black folks. Its always wait wait wait oh shhh we cant FIX RACISM!!!

[nc4bo]

169. OMG OMG WALKING DEAD....

the hell with politics right now.

OMG!!!!! There's a huge surprise at the end of the episode!!!

[bravenak]

175. -

I am displeased that you will watch it knowing I cannot. You sir, are an OLIGARCH!

[nc4bo]

181. I'm a sista LOL! Lawd, you are gonna......whatever you do when your

jaw becomes unhinged.

No spoilers from me.

[bravenak]

185. My bad sister!

Oligarchess! Dont tell me!!!! Ahhh!!! I wanna know tho!

[nc4bo]

187. I don't wanna spoil it.....it's bound to show up on facebook though....

I don't want to be the spoiler heehee.

[bravenak]

193. Ohhhh BOY!

It's Rick I just know it!!

[nc4bo]

197. Bam Boom for 1/2 right but not bad LOL nt

[bravenak]

198. I'm excited!!!!

[nc4bo]

199. Gotta wait til the very last scene! They make you wait for it LOL nt

[wildeyed]

138. If he wanted to be president for real,

then he should have been building a coalition from way back. Also, I would have advised him to hire black advisers to his original campaign team. Also, a woman or two Woulda, coulda, shoulda....

[nc4bo]

141. He wasn't running for POTUS. nt

[wildeyed]

157. Clearly.

If you want to be POTUS, then you prepare. And still not an excuse for not hiring a diverse campaign staff once he did decide.

[nc4bo]

162. Sometimes there's no time. From what I understand it was a relatively quick decision.

It is what it is.

I have no idea who is considered his "staff". Have a list link?

[wildeyed]

168. I looked up the staff

after the #BLM thing. A black woman came on as a media adviser after that. Not going to google it right now since I didn't save the link. If I am wrong, then my apologies. But pretty sure I remember correctly since it was a big stink at the time.

[bravenak]

178. Symone Sanders (no relation)

[azurnoir]

91. Except for the Black community in North Minneapolis they didn't see her at all

she in Minneapolis but she unlike Bernie had more important things to do than talk to a bunch of Black folks when they comprise only a very small demographic

[bravenak]

94. And many many other places that see her aint NEVER seen hide nor hair of him ever.

[azurnoir]

101. well she picks what crowds to work carefully more potential votes= more "caring" from Hillary

[bravenak]

103. Smooth moves

[azurnoir]

108. aha very smooth very targeted

[bravenak]

114. It works

[azurnoir]

118. anything to get a vote-but then what

[bravenak]

122. Govern

[azurnoir]

125. and I'm sure the Black folks that helped put her there will be first on her list too

just like they were on Bill's in fact just lie

[bravenak]

129. Cant win a second term without us

She learned her lesson and is better than bill

[azurnoir]

135. Bill won with less in '96 than he had in '92

first cut is the deepest

[bravenak]

143. Still won

[azurnoir]

148. ya hee won by throwing poor women and children to the dogs

[bravenak]

156. This does not help

[azurnoir]

243. sometimes the truth can be unhelpful but in '96 Clinton threw poor women and children under the bus

and won the election

[bravenak]

246. It actually harms Bernies campaign

[azurnoir]

253. How does Clinton harming poor women and kids 20 years ago hurt Bernie?

[bravenak]

255. Attacking us with things that harmed us more than you aggressively pushes us away. Thx

We KNow THIS. Battering us with it just make us resolute against the batterer

[azurnoir]

260. US who's us are you poor? Poor women and children were harmed by Clinton's welfare reform

ps I became a welfare Mom in the middle of that mess I know first hand

[bravenak]

263. I am the poor and black

[azurnoir]

265. and I was/am poor and White and became a welfare mom in early '97

I know first hand what harm was wrought

[bravenak]

271. I know too

[Kittycat]

54. I'm proud of him.

Candidates too often stay in safe zones. Holding only rallies or small gatherings with invited guests or crowds of people eager to come hear them. Or going in to very public places, where they can move in/out quickly - grabbing a photo op at a deli counter, etc. He faced a tough crowd with little sign of support, but he still reached out and shared what he hoped for a future should he become president. And I'm proud of him for that. Some wouldn't try.

[wildeyed]

67. Um, no.

Candidates go where the voters are. Fish frys, state fairs, church gatherings..... Particularly if you are a white candidate looking for support in the black community.

He is not a child. He wants to be president. If he is not comfortable in a SC church, probably does not bode well, big picture.

[JonLeibowitz]

204. Who said he was uncomfortable? Sounds like he was reaching out to people who may not support him.

[Kittycat]

281. Thank you

[bigtree]

90. the fact that he has so little support among these folks should be a wake up call

...not a point of congratulations.

[Koinos]

57. He should have "gotten out" more.

He worked in DC all those years, and he was surprised at the neighborhoods he finally visited in Baltimore.

He needs to communicate more, visit more diverse communities, listen more attentively, and lecture less. Just MHO.

[uponit7771]

64. YES YES YES!!! Any pol from VT should head Sanders warning right now!! Get out of VT and into

... the rest of the country and develope relationships not just good speeaches and large crowds

[Koinos]

88. Speeches and crowds are sometimes a way of hiding from direct dialogue and listening.

He should ask more questions and let people express themselves. People don't always like to be lectured at.

Their needs, wants, and expectations may be different from what he thinks they are. Sanders needs more interpersonal skills. He needs to give credit where credit is due.

His praise of Obama was a good thing. Just MHO.

[uponit7771]

102. +1, very insightful... hadn't thought of that perspective

[SusanCalvin]

171. Yes, exactly.

From what I hear, he can do that. He needs to do it more.

[bravenak]

80. +1

[Number23]

331. I co-sign this post 100%

[NurseJackie]

365. Bernie blew it. So many missed opportunities. (No do-overs ... sorry.)

[uponit7771]

58. Were is Cornell West to help Sanders now!??! Wasn't they tight in IA and NH?! tia

[bravenak]

84. Where? I cannot find Brother West!!

[SidDithers]

163. Maybe comforting Brother Jeb!...

Sid

[bravenak]

207. Oooooooooo

[rbrnmw]

133. I'm hoping he does bring Cornel into SC

[uponit7771]

188. Me too, I would like the Cornell West types to be isolated and not listened to

[shenmue]

210. Yeah

[Gothmog]

303. Same here

[SunSeeker]

75. Gee, wonder why?

I'm sure they all totally agree with Sanders that Obama is The Establishment.

[fun n serious]

81. Bernie pandered to the establishment wen he chose to run as a (D)

As the campaign heightens so will the pandering.

[IllinoisBrenel]

82. Muted Response?

I watched the speech and from what I can tell, the people were dipping their food while he was talking? It was held in a dining room and there was a buffett! The people who were getting their food couldn't applaud, but they were listening and the others applauded and responded to Bernie's speech. At the end there was quite a bit of applause! Just the media trying to spin their lies and insinuations!

[bravenak]

106. Muted

[JonLeibowitz]

208. Do you believe everything you read in the newspaper?

[bravenak]

213. I think theres video

Black churches get rowdy when they are feeling it. No arm wavin? Muted. I been at church since birth until my final protest. Always in trouble.

[mhatrw]

226. Oh, so you speak for all black churches now?

Just wondering.

[bravenak]

229. The subject is THIS black church

[mhatrw]

236. Oh, so you speak for THIS SPECIFIC black church now?

just wondering

[bravenak]

238. They actually spoke for themselves

[mhatrw]

256. LOL. They did no such thing.

Former USA today reporter and current NY Times' Hillashill Yamiche Alcindor spoke for them.

The story is nothing but the subjective impression of a single reporter who opined that a church buffet reaction to a Sanders' appeal fell short of a political rally reaction a a Sanders' appeal. BREAKING NEWS!!!

[bravenak]

258. Umm hmm

They were obviously not enthusiastic. Dont be mad.

[SusanCalvin]

83. Well, I dunno about trying to garner support *while* people are eating.

Especially if the food is good.

I juice collard greens - is that sacreligious?

[bravenak]

87. Oh no! Juice them!!

I love nothing more than some geeens or fried cabbage. Um um uummmm!!

Yeah, he shoulda ate first then spoke. Everybody at black church knows the routine. Preach, eat, then talk. And put me in the 'bad chair' for asking questions in sunday school.

[SusanCalvin]

96. "Preach, eat, then talk."

There you go.

Cabbage juices well, as well.

[bravenak]

111. I got a nutra bullet

Cause i was getting chubby. Then I slimmed down and forgot to open the box. Might do it soon.

[SusanCalvin]

124. It's s'posed to be good for you, so I try.

But, more important than that, it's DELICIOUS! Who knew?

[bravenak]

127. I wanna do it with fruit only and yogurt

I hate veggies except for the ones I like. And i hate v8 but like clamato. I think thats why I avoid opening it.

[SusanCalvin]

146. V8, even the low sodium kind, is disgusting after you've juiced your own.

It's a pain, but worth it.

Here's mine:

Apples
Carrots
Cabbage
Celery

As many greens as money allows.

Collard greens (MUCH juice for the money)
Spinach
Lacinto kale
Beet greens plus the actual beets, but beware of staining
Swiss chard

Lemon and a dry E capsule as preservative, as I am *not* doing this every day.

I am fully aware this is a first world recipe.

[bravenak]

153. I think I can swing that

I eat kale constantly cause my husband makes me eat it in my salad with flax seed. I actually got a taste for the flax seed and kake.

[SusanCalvin]

159. Yep, it's a lot what you're accustomed to.

If I had kids (not likely at my age!) I would try so hard to acclimate them to the good stuff. My mom tried, but it just didn't take...!

[wildeyed]

164. Add raw spinach.

Not too much. And some nut butter. You won't even taste the greens!

[bravenak]

167. Allergic to most nuts

I eat some but then end up on benedryl or getting some epi. I love nuts.

Might can do the spinach.

[wildeyed]

179. No nuts then.

Seeds? I like raw sunflower seeds in mine too. Or a bit of avocado. Even full fat yogurt. I just need a bit of fat in mine, to balance the fruit.

Build the amount of spinach up over time to get used to the taste. Makes the smoothies a nice shade of green too

[bravenak]

190. Oh! Avacado!

I buy them in the five pack every week! Yes! Cucumber too! Mmm. Grapeseed oil is good to me for some reason, and sesame oil, just a tiny bit, so nutty!

[wildeyed]

203. Coconut oil?

I like that too. With some banana and chocolate flavored protein powder. Cucumbers are great in them too, especially when it is hot.

I basically live on smoothies, can you tell? I run around at a million miles an hour with the to go cup of coffee in one hand and smoothie in the other. Vroom vroom! But lots of pee breaks

[bravenak]

211. YES

Coconut oil!

I drink too much coffee too. It's that and bottled water all day plus bullcrap food. But I'm getting better.
I thought I was the only person who peed constantly.

[Lucinda]

283. Apple ginger and carrot rocks.

[bravenak]

284. Yeah? Ok, I'll try it.

[Kind of Blue]

316. Yes, "Preach, eat, then talk."

They probably had dinner or lunch that maybe helped enthusiasm
A crowd of about 5,200 gathered to hear Bernie Sanders at a rally Sunday in Greenville, S.C. At a black church the same day, the reception was less enthusiastic. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/22/us/politics/in-a-black-church-in-south-carolina-bernie-sanders-struggles-to-get-an-amen.html

[bravenak]

319. I have no idea why his crowd photos are funny to me

Nothing up with them really.

I Think his fans might stop at Golden Corral first like I used to before concerts. He shoulda ate and then did his stump speech.

[Kind of Blue]

322. Yes, indeed, a good meal does wonders for

the spirit.

[nc4bo]

89. He should have grabbed himself a plate of good homecooking!! nt

[SusanCalvin]

99. Yep. Do things in the correct order. nt

[FrenchieCat]

92. Did he mention that he's spiritual

But doesnt do God, or is he saving that for later?

[bravenak]

100. Ooh, i do not know

I avoid telling folks I am atheist in church. I want to eat and soend time with folks not worry about my mortal soul. Sides. Got reverends in the fam, they will come save me if I say something.

[FrenchieCat]

112. Only because it's sure to come in any GE...

I just wouldn't want folks to be surprised!

[bravenak]

116. It comes up

I heard it from people that they cannot understand it and are opposed

[SusanCalvin]

166. I'll see your reverends

And raise you a (white) gospel group.... ;->

(Not to hang out with, all long gone.)

[bravenak]

172. Oh lord!!!

They saved me CONSTANTLY from being unchristian. Every week I had to get resaved as soon as I opened my mouth.

[SusanCalvin]

177. My dad served that function all by himself.

But it got bumped up several notches each summer at vacation Bible school.

[bravenak]

182. I'm sorry.

I went to bible camp once too. But only the once because I held a protest and made signs. Refused to speak. After a week, people wanted to hear me again. I won.

[SusanCalvin]

189. I like you so much. You remind me of me.

[bravenak]

191. Mutual feeling

[bkkyosemite]

107. So the NYT had this yugggeeee article about some people

not jumping around but eating their food when Bernie arrived. Where is the Yuuuugggeee article regarding the thousands and thousands of people who did jump around and scream Bernie Bernie Bernie...no where to be seen. Any thing that might look bad they will print but the good nah.

[bravenak]

130. This was about the black church not his stadiums

[cherokeeprogressive]

110. Celebrate!

[bravenak]

131. .

[NurseJackie]

121. Not surprised ...

... at all.

[bravenak]

132. Hee hee!

You're smart!

[jalan48]

139. I've never thought of South Carolina as being a particularly progressive state.

In fact, isn't it pretty much a lock to go Republican in the general election?

[bravenak]

144. Ok. But this is primaries. Thx.

[rbrnmw]

151. Not the AA community

they are pretty progressive. This is the primaries where a Democrat has to have the AA vote or they lose the Primary

[JonLeibowitz]

212. Progressives as a rule do not back Hillary as she has not been one in the past 16 years. n/t

[rbrnmw]

237. Look you don't know me or who I know

I lived in SC almost my whole adult life. I know that the AA community is very progressive in SC.

[JonLeibowitz]

244. I'm not making my remarks about SC or SC voters. I am simply commenting on her platform. n/t

[rbrnmw]

262. ok that's an opinion that I don't agree with you on

but it's all good that's what Democracy is all about.

[wildeyed]

363. Not true.

But living in a conservative state will give you a different perspective, that is for sure. I am actually MORE liberal since moving south. When I lived in the land of the deep blue, I never had to defend my beliefs or even think hard about them. But once I plopped down in a purple city and state, my political IQ went up at least 40 points.

[uponit7771]

192. The state? nah, the CoC in the state ... more so than up north on a lot of issues affecting

... poor folk

[bettyellen]

233. Well he went to Liberty University, and people here were thrilled about that. Hmmmm.

[Duval]

312. SC is a conservative state.

[bravenak]

313. You live there and know their Democrats?

Red states have liberals, ya know!

[Cha]

350. And, that has exactly what to do with the OP?

[Roy Ellefson]

155. can't wait

I can't wait until the primaries etc. turn to states that will vote for the Democratic candidate for president.

[bravenak]

158. Me too

[SidDithers]

170. DU rec...nt

Sid

[bravenak]

195. .

Cornel was absent

[mcar]

184. Sounds awkward

[bravenak]

194. I wish I was a fly on the wall

[mcar]

200. I wish I had some of that chicken

[bravenak]

217. I KNOW, right?!?

Musta been DELICIOSO!

[mcar]

220. Nothing like church cooked food

I don't know what it is (divine intervention ), but it's the truth.

[bravenak]

222. I bet the cake was bangin

[mcar]

225. Oh you know it was

Dang! Now I want cake.

[bravenak]

227. I just took one out of the oven

Devils food chocolate frosting. Yay!

[bettyellen]

202. "the loudest claps came when he talked about President Obama." No shock there.

[bravenak]

214. Umm hmm

[MADem]

206. Damn! You can feel it in the writing!!!

WEST COLUMBIA, S.C. — The problem began as soon as Bernie Sanders walked into the dining room of the revered, and predominantly black, Brookland Baptist Church. Instead of flocking to him, as people do at his large college rallies, many of church’s 780 members looked up for a moment, then quietly went back to eating their Sunday feast — unmoved as Mr. Sanders, the Democratic senator from Vermont, tried to work the room.

He made remarks at a microphone next to a buffet table offering chicken, collard greens and dinner rolls. The line at the table kept moving as Mr. Sanders and Benjamin T. Jealous, a former N.A.A.C.P. president, spoke. The Brookland Baptist congregation proved to be a tough crowd.

“We have in America today a broken criminal justice system,” Mr. Sanders said, pausing briefly after this line from his stump speech, which is usually met with applause. Here it garnered very little.

His visit underscored Mr. Sanders’s difficulty in strengthening his support among black voters in South Carolina, who make up more than half of registered Democrats heading into the state primary this Saturday. While some applauded politely as he offered now-familiar lines about racial discrimination, the loudest claps came when he talked about President Obama....

OUCH. Did Ben J. book him in there? With friends like that....

[bravenak]

215. Almost like a set up

But I know its not

[wildeyed]

218. At some point

you gotta let the kids go out on their own and either sink or swim.

[bravenak]

219. Yep

This was a sink

[mhatrw]

221. Where is the NY Times' article about the DEAD SILENCE Clyburn's endorsement of Clinton was

greeted with? Where?

The NY Times is a bunch of establishment Hillashills. So some people at one church, according to their "objective" reporter, were more interested in eating their food than they were in clapping or cheering loudly for Sanders and Jealous? And that is their idea of "news" that is fit to print?

To what effect? WTF is this supposed to prove? That older people don't whoop it up that much at a church function? That Clinton supporters don't whoop it up that much when Sanders tries to speak to them? What?

[bravenak]

223. The subject is Sanders at THIS black church

With BEN JEALOUS

[mhatrw]

230. The subject is not news. It is a wholly subjective, non-newsworthy ATTACK by a Hillashill.

[bravenak]

235. This op is about Sanders visit to this particular black church

[mhatrw]

239. My comment was about what the Hillashills at the Establishment Times find newsworthy.

But you knew that.

[bravenak]

241. Has nothing to do with the subject át hand

[mhatrw]

261. It has EVERYTHING to do with which non-news the Establishment Times feels is fit to print.

But you knew that, too.

[bravenak]

264. Not really

This was about the church members not being impressed by Sanders even with Ben Jealous there

[brer cat]

267. This was posted in GD P

not LBN. Did you notice that?

Just wondering.

[basselope]

224. MY GOD.. THEY ACTED CIVILIZED?!?!?!

Who woulda thunk it?

[bravenak]

231. And unimpressed

[basselope]

279. Your interpretation of civilized behavior.

Incorrect interpretation, but you are allowed to have it.

[ecstatic]

232. His biggest support came from an undecided who had considered voting for Marco Rubio

Ok, that part was kind of funny. Lol.

While some applauded, Mr. Sanders’s greatest support came from Karen Brooker, 56, who single-handedly gave him the shouting and applause he’s used to hearing.

.......

Ms. Brooker, who later said she was undecided and had once considered voting for Senator Marco Rubio, a Florida Republican, was again the loudest voice. “Amen,” she said.

[bravenak]

234. I missed that, LOL!

[Number23]

332. Is it wrong that I fell out laughing at that bit?

Between that and the chicken getting more attention than Sanders, it sounds like "muted" is an understatement of what happened in that church.

[cantbeserious]

245. Predictably Spreading Establishment FUD - Meme Number 15

eom

[bravenak]

247. This was an event with Bernie and Ben Jealous

[JDPriestly]

248. Maybe those voters know what I know.

No Democrat is going to win in South Carolina. Not going to happen.

The state is irrelevant to the Democratic primary.

South Carolina has 9 electoral votes. (California, my state, has 55.)

Last time it voted for a Democrat for president was 1976, Jimmy Carter.

No way South Carolina is going to vote for either Hillary or Bernie this year.

So the reception in that church is basically irrelevant.

Bernie is doing them a favor going to their church. But the fact is that South Carolina and South Carolinians are a lost cause when it comes to Democrats in presidential races.

[bravenak]

251. They may have just not been impressed

[HillDawg]

257. Yes

I'm sure that's exactly why they reacted that way

[JDPriestly]

295. It's very frustrating for us in California. We have 55 delegates to the electoral

college and don't get to vote in a primary until June.

The entire primary system, in my opinion, is corrupt.

Here we are in a large state, and we don't vote until the end.

It is simply wrong!!!!!!!!!!

[jalan48]

358. Yes, it is interesting the number of conservative states that go first.

[wildeyed]

361. I would be more than happy to switch Iowa with CA.

[bettyellen]

327. "Bernie is doing them a favor going to their church." Do you listen to yourself?

[JI7]

335. check out their posts in the AA group before they were either

banned or told not to come back.

but it was all about how black people are not thankful enough whites for civil rights and how white people who supported civil rights were victims since they had other white people angry with them over it.

[bravenak]

338. Thinks this is 1776

Or the french revolution with visions of lady liberty leading the troops and shit

[Starry Messenger]

341. Wow.

Hope the admins read that. No surprise, but wow.

[bravenak]

342. Worse and worse

[Cha]

345. omg.. did she just say that?!! there are no words.

[humbled_opinion]

254. It really is too bad....

That he couldn't read them the transcripts of Clintons Goldman Sachs speeches, but hey I hear Trump is saving them for the GE to get our side all emotional and what not...

[bravenak]

259. The subject is Sanders visit to the Church with Ben Jealous

[humbled_opinion]

266. What is your point?

If he had the transcripts to her Goldman speeches I am sure the crowd would not have been so silent knowing that she was yucking it up with the corporate scum that left millions of Americans homeless... but hey that's just me... I understand why you folks want to wait for Trump to roll those out so you can say see how awful he is and remind us that Bernie told us to stand with Hillary....

[bravenak]

274. Nice rant!

[rpannier]

270. I love that Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck GIF you're using

I know it's not the topic at hand
But it is great

[bravenak]

282. I redistributed it to myself from a bernie supporter today.

Nice poster. You can redistribute it to yourself if you want.

[rpannier]

286. Thanks

It's nice when some of us can get along
The term 'Frenemies' 'Friends who disagree at this point' is apt at times

[bravenak]

289. Yeap

I hope after primaries we all settle down

[Kentonio]

352. Ah you Hillary people, always out for the free stuff..

[bravenak]

353. From those that have to me who is needy

[Geronimoe]

298. I'll believe a NYT's hit piece

as soon as they show us where the WMDs are in Iraq.

[bravenak]

305. The subject is Bernie

[Tiggeroshii]

302. You can't expect to see a lot of supportive articles

...from a media outlet whose conglomerate would likely be split up as a result of his election. And substantially decreased profits. It's always about the bottom line.

[bravenak]

306. But I can see they were not impressed with Sanders regardless

[Tiggeroshii]

317. Many anecdotal examples of Clinton speeches that can be taken far worse

I don't see a lot being written about those.

[bravenak]

320. We deal with her regularly

We know her. She screws up but comes back and asks what she did wrong and tried to make it up. Who is he compared to her?

[Tiggeroshii]

324. Good point

[Cha]

323. Whoa! good.. I bet their meal was delicious, brave! why would anyone want to come

in and interrupt it?

Ben Jealous.. not the reaction he was hoping, eh?

WEST COLUMBIA, S.C. — The problem began as soon as Bernie Sanders walked into the dining room of the revered, and predominantly black, Brookland Baptist Church. Instead of flocking to him, as people do at his large college rallies, many of church’s 780 members looked up for a moment, then quietly went back to eating their Sunday feast — unmoved as Mr. Sanders, the Democratic senator from Vermont, tried to work the room.

And, it didn't end any better.. snippets..

Ms. Brooker, who later said she was undecided and had once considered voting for Senator Marco Rubio, a Florida Republican, was again the loudest voice. “Amen,” she said.

“Yes, fired up,” a few more in the crowd offered, but most continued to eat silently.

LOL.. "yes fired up".. Brawaaaa President Obama would have none of that.. they would actually be FIRED UP AND READY TO GO!!!

The phrase was actually coined for Obama! BS is not taking that.

Gracias bravenak!

[bravenak]

325. Hahaha!! He used Obamas phrase!!

That Rubio voter is hilarious

[Cha]

333. they should have brought killer mike with them. he would have fired up the group. lol

[Cha]

339. Yeah. so my question is how did he post that filth before he was suspended? Or has it been

there the whole time and no one noticed?

Wow, Got issues?

[bravenak]

340. I do not know.

I posted it in AtA. Maybe I will get an answer? You should ask in ata too.

[YOHABLO]

355. Was this an all you can eat buffet? Just asking. The food must have been good.

[bravenak]

356. Looks like it

Probably self serve until the food is gone. The food looked good. The video shows how hungry they were. Delicious!

[KingFlorez]

375. One should never go in expecting applause

What an unfortunate reaction to a candidate visit.

[bravenak]

377. I blame his staff and whoever set him up like that

Why tell him to speak while they are getting food? That was wrong to put him out there like that. Fire divine, i say! That guy never wins in the USA.