Sanders LEADS Clinton 57-29 in West Virginia

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CHARLESTON, W.Va. – A MetroNews West Virginia Poll shows Republican Donald Trump and Democrat Bernie Sanders with significant leads among likely presidential primary voters in the state. The survey by REPASS Research has Trump with 40 percent compared with 20 percent for his nearest rival, Texas Senator Ted Cruz. On the Democrat side, Sanders leads Hillary Clinton by nearly two-to-one, 57 percent to 29 percent.

You can read the complete poll here.

The survey was conducted between February 11-16, before the South Carolina Republican primary and the Nevada Democratic caucus. Trump won the South Carolina primary while Clinton was victorious in then Nevada caucus. Rex Repass, CEO of REPASS Research and director of the MetroNews West Virginia Poll, said Trump’s strength in the Mountain State is highest among voters 35-44 years old, independents, and those in middle-income categories.

“The economy and frustration with the status quo in Washington is helping these non-traditional candidates nationally and in West Virginia,” Repass said.

Sanders’ biggest strength is with young people. However, he has majority support in all age categories except seniors. Among voters 65 and older, Sanders’ lead is 43 percent to 36 percent.


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http://wvmetronews.com/2016/02/22/metronews-west-virginia-poll-has-trump-sanders-in-lead/

[DCBob]

1. WV is 95% white.

http://www.infoplease.com/us/census/data/west-virginia/demographic.html

Fertile ground for the Vermont Senator.

[workinclasszero]

3. WV is 95% white...

How did I know this? LOL

Typical Bernie state.

[asuhornets]

15. n/t

[roguevalley]

63. disgusting. but I consider the source

[Depaysement]

101. I can think of another word nt

[hollowdweller]

17. Hillary killed Obama in WV

However the gun control focus has really soured people on her here.

[dchill]

77. AFAIK, Obama's still alive.

She's crooked, but don't call her a murderer!

[uponit7771]

23. I wish this wasn't so, I really did... sigh

[Lucky Luciano]

35. Ya see this is crap - implying Bernie is racist right here. nt

[CajunBlazer]

69. Well, that's one of the remaining states that going for Sanders

It shouldn't take long to list the others.

I am not going to list the states going for Hillary, it would take to long.

[PatrynXX]

72. yeah typical race baiting answer :(

sick

[thereismore]

4. Nah, just a neighboring state.

[Nanjeanne]

5. Since she won West Virginia in 2008 - I guess she didn't mind getting white votes then.

[Segami]

8. West Virginia - Hillary trounced Obama 67% - 26% back in 2008

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_Democratic_primary,_2008

[Renew Deal]

10. So winning WV doesn't matter much either way.

[hollowdweller]

18. That's what Al Gore said

[Nanjeanne]

11. Yeah. But according to Clinton supporters now - that doesn't matter because WV is most white.

That's why it's a big "shrug" to them that Sanders is ahead in the polls there.

Makes no sense but it's the latest meme - Sanders can't win black votes. The thing is - in the General Election - all these highly contested primary Southern states that Clinton is proud to win - will vote Republican -- she isn't going to get those states in a General Election anyway. So somewhere along the line - she is going to need to get those whiter Northern states that her supporters don't care about now.

[Moostache]

46. Precisely! Thank you!!

Clinton is pounding the proverbial chest about these "wins" and ignoring the wider crisis that her candidacy presents for the Democratic Party come November. If she is the nominee, the only thing that would prevent a 4-6% rout in the overall vote would be a 3rd party run by Trump or Cruz.

The polls now for November are not what we should be worried about though, it is the future of the party that embraces status quo when the electorate, especially the youth vote, is absolutely convinced that IS THE PROBLEM!

Al Gore used an allegory in "An Inconvenient Truth" that I believe is apt here. He talked of the frog in the boiling water and how frogs would sit there and remain in the water to fatal levels if the temperature was slowly increased versus how they would attempt to leap out if dropped in to a pot of boiling water.

Old, establishment Party? Sitting in the pot, calm as Hindu cows...no need to change a thing.
New, energetic voters? HELL NO WE ARE NOT GETTING IN THAT POT!!!!

Now, come November, those same youth voters are going to make a choice and that choice will largely be..."ah, fuck it, I am not going to vote for Clinton, she's just more of the same problem we already have."

Hillary (and more importantly her supporters) had better start recognizing that their centrist policy positions (and non-Democratic core violations - like labelling single-payer healthcare as a "unicorn" and "too divisive" and "too hard&quot are going to result in their ultimate demise. Instead of attacking Bernie and his supporters, Hillary and her supporters should be thinking long game here and the fact that thay simply seem to be too petty and too power hungry to know the difference is tragic.

[Eleanors38]

84. White folks are so boring, the stereotypes ain't been updated in Years. nt

[aaaaaa5a]

27. Hmm...

It looks like Hillary has taken the Obama role from 2008. And Sanders has taken the old 2008 Hillary spot.


Remind me again who won?

Reminded me again who has been elected President twice?

[Moostache]

47. The GOP hates Hillary more than Obama...just sayin'

Apples to Oranges comparison mate!

[Chakab]

56. If that characterization is accurate, it makes her current levels of black support even more

baffling after the giant shit that she and her surrogates took on black voters when the majority defected to Obama.

BTW I'm supporting Sanders in this cycle, but race is clearly a huge issue in WV and a reason for Obama's immense unpopularity there among local registered Democrats. To claim otherwise is laughable. Obama was running to the left of Clinton in '08 on a platform that people assumed represent views that were similar to Sanders', yet the voters there didn't want anything to do with him. In fact, he lost in several counties to a convicted felon that was on the primary ballot in the state in 2012.

It's just one of many unspoken and unresolved issues within the party.

[6chars]

54. That's quite a turnaround.

really unheard of.

[uponit7771]

24. Sanders camp doesn't trust Clinton has changed at all

[LovingA2andMI]

32. Now....You Know They Cannot Handle....

Those Pesky Facts.

[Barack_America]

7. WV is a swing state.

I wouldn't dismiss this so easily, ESPECIALLY if your candidate becomes the nominee.

You can say this is a race issue, but the reality is Hillary's problems with youth and independents.

[DCBob]

16. WV has been a solid red state since 2000.

I don't think we have chance there unless we change our position on coal and global warming.

[LovingA2andMI]

33. And You Think Hillary Clinton Will....

Take South Carolina Beyond A Primary With Nikki Haley As Governor....

[DCBob]

41. What on earth are you talking about?

[Armstead]

44. Unlike South Carolina

[geek tragedy]

20. WV is a deep red state where no national Democrat can win. nt

[LovingA2andMI]

34. Neither Will A Democrat...

Take South Carolina in the General Election Either With Nikki Haley As Governor But It's Not Stopping The Hillary Supporters From Propping All Things South Carolina Up As The End All Be All In A Primary.

[geek tragedy]

39. WV voters deserve to be heard, just as SC voters do. Right now it's SC's turn nt

[LovingA2andMI]

42. Of Course...

And They Will Speak Again In The General Election, Along With The Entire Nation. Nominate The Wrong Candidate, and South Carolina and The Nation Will Speak Real Loudly....

But some will not like the results.

[Jim Lane]

25. I wouldn't consider West Virginia a swing state.

Romney beat Obama there, 62% to 36%. The state hasn't voted for the Democratic nominee since 1996, when Bill Clinton got 51.5% of the vote.

Given the importance of coal in the West Virginia economy, this fall's Republican nominee will probably have an easy ride there simply by adhering to the party line of climate change denialism. Sanders has been more militant on the issue than Clinton, but even she has talked (however gingerly) about reducing the use of fossil fuels. That should be enough to sink her in West Virginia if she's the nominee.

[basselope]

29. Hillary is 100% white.

What's the point you are struggling to make?

[LovingA2andMI]

36. She has some African-American Roots Somewhere...

And Was A Member Of The Civil Rights Movement. Someone will say they saw her there.

[Live and Learn]

66. Are you claiming Hillary doesn't want white voters? Interesting. She should just say so. nt

[DCBob]

97. She would love to have all the voters.. white, black and brown, I'm sure.

But Bernie is a strong candidate and doing really well with that group... good for him but it wont be enough to win a Democratic nomination.

[Live and Learn]

98. This racial divisiveness is just plain absurd. Hillary needs white voters too,

especially in light of the fact that they still make up a majority of voters in the nation and in the Democratic party.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/160373/democrats-racially-diverse-republicans-mostly-white.aspx

The same goes for sexes and ages. We need everybody so we really shouldn't be dividing each other by groups and tossing entire groups under the bus.

[DCBob]

102. You are confused.

This is a discussion board to discuss issues relevant to the election. if you don't like it go elsewhere.

[Live and Learn]

103. I am not confused, and your post is obnoxious.

I take it, you have no valid argument.

[ALBliberal]

92. I'm confused. Are you saying white voters will vote against HRC because

she is generally better liked by AA? Are you saying the white voters in WV when choosing between the two white candidates see one as blacker than the other and therefore vote against her? This makes no sense to me. I would guess that WV has a large population of working class poor and maybe this could be why Sanders polls higher. Maybe they have caught on to his populist messages especially the one of income and wealth disparity.

Quite honestly this entire theme of yours has racial overtones.

[DCBob]

93. Have you been living under a rock the past several months??

Bernie does better in homogeneous white states.

[ALBliberal]

94. Bernie does better with the working poor too pls. quit dividing everyone up. Won't help your

End cause of electing HRC. Counter productive at best.

[DCBob]

95. Who's dividing??

I am simply making observations about a candidate's strengths and weaknesses which I believe is normal on a political discussion board. Go somewhere else if you don't like it.

Ciao.

[ALBliberal]

96. Thanks!

[Live and Learn]

100. Yep, under the bus with you too. They obviously don't think they need even hard core Democratic

support. That is good because I think they have lost a lot of it. I hope they can make it up with the few groups they haven't tossed yet.

[MellowDem]

99. Clinton gets "hard working whites"...

at least she did in 2008.

[Robbins]

2. good news is

west virginia is primary not caucus.

like NH another state she won in 2008 but they now like bernie more.

[kgnu_fan]

6. Great news! Go Bernie!

[Nanjeanne]

9. Jeff Kessler, Democrat Running For Governor of West Virginia Endorses Sanders

https://www.facebook.com/geoffrey.sea1/posts/10206289002688718

[libdem4life]

12. Tut, tut...you know those polls don't mean anything...unless they support a

certain narrative.

I watched HRC at some press conference put down the polls as worthless. Then, I couldn't believe my ears, in the next sentence she started quoting polls that were in her favor. It's on video...she never missed a beat. It just comes natural now. Spewing out flip-flop after flip-flop.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

13. Mountain Top Removal - Coal

These people "want" more of the same.

[KingFlorez]

14. Anyone from Obama's cabinet would do terribly here

It's not that West Virginia loves Sanders, it's just that he's not Obama or anyone tied to Obama. Read between the lines.

[hollowdweller]

21. WV has been fucked by free trade.

Sanders is stronger there. He's also from a rural state and Hillary has been beating him up over guns.

[LovingA2andMI]

37. And Michigan....Don't Forget Michigan....

And NAFTA. We vote March 8th.

[Chakab]

57. If they're so angry about free trade, why did they support Clinton almost so heavily over Obama in

'08?

Don't be obtuse. Racism is one of the primary reason for Obama's unpopularity there among registered Democrats.

[cali]

87. Because the TPP was still a twinkle in a corporatist's eye.

Quite simply, although trade was an issue then, it is a bigger issue now. And it's not just the TPP

[LovingA2andMI]

38. What The Hell?

Does This Shit Mean?

[geek tragedy]

43. it's a pretty well-documented phenomenon where white people in certain corners

will gravitate to whomever is opposing the 'black candidate'--if either the candidate is black or the candidate is seen as embracing the black community.

If you look at the primary results from Alabama and Mississippi from 2008, Clinton won staggeringly high percentages of the white vote there. It wasn't because of her health care plan.

This time around, she's seen as the candidate of black people.

[LovingA2andMI]

45. Um...WHAT?

"Candidate of The Black People"? So are you saying Bernie Sanders is the "Candidate of the White People"? And worst, why are YOU playing the RACE CARD....

[geek tragedy]

49. see, e.g.

http://triblive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_556838.html

Obama won roughly 90 percent of the black vote in Mississippi on Tuesday, but only about one-quarter of the white vote. That was similar to the breakdown that helped him win South Carolina, Alabama, Georgia and Louisiana before losing to Clinton in Texas and Ohio, which has similar voter demographics to neighboring Pennsylvania.

A lot of white people have been raised such that they feel threatened whenever a political candidate embraces the African-American community and receives support from them.

[LovingA2andMI]

52. So That "Justifies" Your Race Card???

It Is A Crying Shame That Some In The Democratic Party Are Now Sounding Just Like Republicans....Pulling Out The Race Card.

Were done here....

[Chakab]

59. It's the "race card" to repeat what the voters in the South said about why they didn't

want to vote for Obama?

If there's somebody who sounds like a Republican, it's YOU for playing dumb about what's a plainly obvious phenomenon in the South.

ETA Actually, I'm being a bit unfair and dishonest myself. It's not just the South. There's also plenty of evidence relating to how racism hurt Obama among white registered Democrats above the Mason-Dixon line in places like Western Pennsylvania and Upstate New York.

https://newrepublic.com/article/112883/study-racism-cost-obama-millions-votes-unlikely

[SunSeeker]

60. Discussing race is not "playing the race card."

Having lived in the South, I experienced exactly what geek tragedy is talking about.

[LovingA2andMI]

61. Uh Huh....

[Chakab]

65. So you're going to ignore the factual evidence in my post?

Republican-like behavior confirmed.

[Robbins]

62. so once again

your calling bernie supporters racists.

I would say clinton is seen as candiate of wall street not blacks even though blacks support her.

[geek tragedy]

64. no, I'm calling people in WV racist.

Which, if you hearken back to 2008, they pretty clearly are. They HATE Obama there. HATE him.

Joe Manchin shot a piece of Obama legislation in an ad down there.

[phleshdef]

67. I grew up in WV. Although it has its race problems, you are full of shit as far as that goes.

You have no clue what you are talking about. You should shut up now before you embarrass yourself further.

[geek tragedy]

68. why do West Virginians hate Barack Obama with such a deep, burning passion? nt

[phleshdef]

71. Because they believe the "war on coal" bullshit.

Bill Clinton carried West Virginia twice and was much loved by African Americans during that era.

[geek tragedy]

73. Shall we compare how WV voted in 2004 and 2008+2012 in terms of relative partisanship?

Let me answer that--yes!

2004:

National: Bush plus 2.4%
WV: Bush +12.9%

WV partisan factor: +10.5% Republican

2008:

National: Obama +7.2%
WV: McCain +13.2%

WV partisan factor: +20.4% Republican

2012:

National: Obama +3.9%
WV: Romney +26.8%

WV partisan factor: +30.7% Republican

It's not like John Kerry and Mitt Romney were salt of the earth working class types. So what explains the gross discrepancy?

It's right there on Barack Obama's face.

[phleshdef]

74. West Virginia votes for COAL.

And we can get into why thats stupid and how coal companies have been raping the land and has the WV economy by the balls. But that would require an honest discussion about West Virginia politics instead of the ignorant bullshit you are pulling out of your uninformed ass. When Obama said that he would run new coal fired plants out of business, he became public enemy #1.

[geek tragedy]

75. When did Obama say that? nt

[phleshdef]

79. He didn't really. It was taken out of context, but enough of a soundbyte to set the state on fire.

He was doing an interview in 2008. He was speaking within the context of new plants that refused to use the best anti-carbon technology. It was all in the context of cap and trade and that sort of thing.

The sound byte itself... "So if somebody wants to build a coal power plant, they can. It’s just that it will bankrupt them because they are going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted."

He meant if they want to build it with old technology. But that was lost in translation for West Virginia. The Democratic party is now the minority party in the WV legislature for the first time in ages because "Obama is killing coal" sells down that way.

[uponit7771]

22. The establishment has their candidate and the marginalized has theirs... simple no? tia

[Beacool]

80. Except that the marginalized are the ones who are voting for Hillary.

The young, liberals and white folks are the ones voting for Sanders.

[uponit7771]

81. Young white liberals, black millennals are going HRC... I'm not talking about class establishment

... but the racial, gender and gender preference establishment.

This revolution reminds me of a temper tantrum of those in the establishment having to cede power to the marginalized in society.

Sanders revolution is class related... some that don't want to give their status up

[Armymedic88]

28. In West Virginia it's the case of the working poor going for Bernie...

As someone who lives in a neighboring state Bernie can win WV in a GE. Guns matter but paychecks trump guns for most!

[SMC22307]

82. Read "What's the Matter with Kansas?" Paychecks don't trump guns (or abortion).

I hope they do in West Virginia, and elsewhere.

[Armymedic88]

83. WV is quite a bit different from the heartland...

The older generation remembers all the good FDR did for the small communities there.

[SMC22307]

85. I hope they remember, and vote for Sanders. It's an interesting state...

especially with regard to labor. As mentioned up-thread, trade agreements and "the war on coal" will be variables. Guns, too. A family member moved to Martinsburg about a decade ago and another attends WVU, so I do get a little taste of WV on occasion.

[Armymedic88]

88. I love WV arguably the most beautiful state maybe besides Alaska...

[SMC22307]

90. It is beautiful. And some of those highways...

Robert Byrd brought home the bacon?

[Armymedic88]

91. He sure did...

Just enough of the Southern flair for me!!

[HillDawg]

30. Considering this is still a far ways away

And only has 29 delegates, this really doesn't mean much.

[LovingA2andMI]

40. You Think....

Okay....Uh Huh....

[Waiting For Everyman]

31. My neighbors! Good on you, West Virginia!

Hold on to that nice lead!

Wish Maryland was doing so well.

Last I saw, it was 70% HRC, 55% Trump.

[brooklynite]

48. My issue isn't that it's 95% white...my issue is that it's only 18 delegates.

Looks like an 11-7 split. Not going to offset giving up on the Southern States.

[book_worm]

50. We'll see. Of course WVA always hated Obama

huge margins against him in the primary of 2008 and both general elections.

[Chakab]

58. There's a pretty sharp "contrast" between Sanders and Obama.

[geek tragedy]

70. yes, the contrast is visible if you have a black and white television nt

[Cal33]

51. A pleasant surprise! I thought most Southern States would be for Hillary. WVa has a

population of 1.85 million people.

[DemocraticWing]

53. I'm starting to fear our voters are the same people who voted for Hillary in 2008.

[ladjf]

55. Those stats are highly significant. nt

[dchill]

76. Already posted in the Hillary Group.

JK.

[Nanjeanne]

86. Well who needs those stinking 37 delegates anyway. Why do we even bother with anything other than

California and NY?

[kgnu_fan]

89. kick