Young voters failing Sanders, just as they've failed so many before

[bravenak]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/22/younger-votes-didnt-come-through-for-bernie-sanders-because-they-almost-never-do/

[dragonfly301]

1. 5% higher youth vote in Nev than 2008

says the NYT http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/22/opinion/young-voters-motivated-again.html

[bravenak]

2. Not enough to overcome the black vote

Black millennials lean Clinton. I am one.

[dragonfly301]

15. according to washpo

African Americans made up 13% of electorate in Nevada.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-defeats-sanders-in-nevada-black-voter-support-appears-decisive/2016/02/20/d4e53ac6-d654-11e5-be55-2cc3c1e4b76b_story.html

[bravenak]

24. And she beat him by five

Thank you AAs in NV!!! I love you my brothas and sistahs!!!

[workinclasszero]

6. Was that bigger than when Obama ran?

I bet not.

[dragonfly301]

17. From the article I linked

On Saturday young people made up 18 percent of voters in Nevada’s Democratic caucus, five percentage points more than in 2008. Mr. Sanders again drew more than eight in 10 of these voters. Mrs. Clinton won Nevada with 52.7 percent, besting Mr. Sanders by 5.5 percentage points. But young people were largely responsible for closing what just a month ago had been a more than 20-point lead for her.

[workinclasszero]

19. Pretty sure they underperformed the Obama wave

But I'm at work can't look it up for you sorry.

[dragonfly301]

23. you don't have to look further on my acct

I'll go with the data that i've quoted

[Agnosticsherbet]

3. "Hillary Clinton won Nevada in large part because of her overwhelming support from black voters."

Young voters are failing Bernie Sanders, just as they’ve failed so many before
"She won Iowa because older voters turned out more than they did in 2008 and because younger voters turned out less. What's more, there's not much evidence that Sanders's younger voters are more motivated to turn out for him than are Clinton's older ones.

This is why campaigns that need younger voters in order to win often don't. Younger voters -- who move more often, work weirder hours and aren't in the habit of voting -- simply don't vote as much. Which, Bernie Sanders said, is why Hillary Clinton beat him on Saturday."

It appears that President Obama did better with the youth vote than Sanders.

[bravenak]

8. I think so too

[workinclasszero]

4. Anyone who counts on young folks

To carry them to victory is done before they start.

The facts are all out there. I Googled it why didn't Bernie?

Then when it was clear that the "revolution" was a bust that was the final nail in the coffin

[bravenak]

5. A classic tactical error imo

[workinclasszero]

16. Yup.

Look at all the magical thinking that's rampant around here.
Bernie winning all the online BS polls and the big rallies!

It's been proven time and again that that means nothing!

Hillary is gonna take this nomination from Bernie like taking candy from a baby!

Reality and science and history win again!

Go figure! Lolz

[bravenak]

25. It makes me feel punch drunk

[workinclasszero]

31. It has been crazy around here for a long time

I always thought liberal democrats were reality based and respected science mostly.

But then the Bernie revolution rolled into town with its bigtop magic circus and we were off to the races lol

[bravenak]

32. Down the rabbit hole we go

[workinclasszero]

34. You got it!

[joshcryer]

27. They are going to be running the country.

There is no harm in attempting it.

[workinclasszero]

33. No and obviously they need to be encouraged

To participate always but still..

Don't even base your whole campaign on them, it's risky as hell.

[cali]

7. Bull, of course. They've made him financially competitive with your candidate

corrupt big dark money Hillary.

[bravenak]

10. Whatever Cali

[cali]

12. Lol, bravenak.

[bravenak]

13. Whatevsz

[Armstead]

9. So now we hate young people?...Okay. There's not many bridges left to burn in this primary

[bravenak]

11. I see no hate

[Matariki]

14. Yep. They all just want unicorns and free stuff

Nothing to do with not wanting to start adult life burdened with a shit ton of non-dischargeable debt. Not at all. Debt that Clinton says they can pay off in a meer 15 years*.

* - In 15 years IF they can find a job that pays more than minimum wage

[hack89]

18. If they don't show up to vote than things will not change

it is not complicated. Bernie was foolish to think that he was going to motivate young voters to turn out in the numbers that he needs to win. When your campaign is predicated on doing something that has never been done before than you have to at least be honest about how hard a task there is ahead of you.

[bravenak]

20. Plus one

[Matariki]

21. Caucuses are intimidating to first time voters

talk after super tuesday.

[hack89]

22. Looking at all the Super Tuesday state polls makes one thing very clear

Bernie is going to have a very bad day. There are simply not enough young progressives to help him overcoming his deficit with black voters.

[MariaThinks]

26. if only they were older. oh - then they would be wiser and vote for hillary.

[bravenak]

29. I just want them to vote

[hack89]

40. No - they would actually vote. nt

[Frustratedlady]

28. I had a long conversation with my grandson about Sanders...

He really wants to support Sanders, but he is afraid that if he wins, Congress will not work with him and we'll have another Obama situation of obstruction. I agree that is a good possibility, but I strongly feel that if the public gets pissed off enough to flood the voting booths, it will finally scare the Congresscritters to straighten up and fly right. SO, if you want Sanders to win, I told him, get your friends out to vote in November and let's get back on track with this country.

The last thing we (or, they) need is a Repubican White House.

[bravenak]

30. They need to self organize

And vote!

[Frustratedlady]

45. Remember, a lot of these young people are working their butts off to pay college debt...

My grandson, for one, works second shift and works some hours during the day on construction, so he doesn't have time to socialize, let alone get a bunch of like-minded young people to join anything. He is trying to double his college debt payment to get out from under it asap. Maybe closer to November.

[bravenak]

46. I know its hard

Im doing school and my kids and working where I can, but the only way is to organize.

[yodermon]

47. And Congress WILL work with Hillary Clinton??? Why to people think this?

(not you)

[Frustratedlady]

48. I would imagine that a lot of congresscritters have a background Hillary knows about...

She can call in her chits. I think that's how many of them are controlled to do what they are told.

Just a wild guess on my part.

[angrychair]

35. Out damn spot

This is, literally, the second post from an HRC supporter on this line of attack today. Is this some sort of coordinated psy-ops?

Same reply from me is sufficient:
Hope that strategy of belittling young voters and telling women they are going to H-E-double hockey sticks if they don't vote for your candidate and calling Bernie supporters unicorn fart sniffers will work for you if your candidate makes it to the General Election and attempts to win with negative likeability and trustworthiness numbers.

[bravenak]

36. I am a millennial

[angrychair]

41. I'm Gen X

I feel like we've managed to disagree without being disagreeable (as much as anybody can in a primary).

This is all about how you slice the pie. While some numbers for youth vote may be down in contrast to 2008, they are higher taken in comparison to other years.
New Hampshire is a good example. While total number of voters in this 2016 Democratic primary was off compared to 2008 (a record by the way), it was higher than any other year in state history. Secondly, despite being off from 2008 total voters, Sanders managed to get more votes as a candidate than any other primary candidate, R or D, in New Hampshire primary history.

Call me foolish if you want, I have a little more faith in your generation than you do....Your to young to be this cynical

[bravenak]

42. Well, I attend the university

Do not count on them please. I keep trying to ask about voting but it seems that most do not care.

[angrychair]

43. Your in Alaska right?

Alaska has always been it's own deal. Enough so that I would never use it as a measuring stick on the rest of the nation.
Look my friend, you have keen mind and sincerely held beliefs, no matter what voting is important. You know that, I hope your follow millennials know it too.

[bravenak]

44. I know but my sister works at a university in cali

Same deal there.
I hop they do vote no matter who for. I still try. Regardless.

[Marr]

37. Well, it's much easier to appeal to the establishment.

Sanders has earned a lot more votes than Clinton to this point. Her only 'advantage' is that she's plugged into the party and business establishment.

So these young voters the writer says have 'failed' Sanders have done much more, and much better, than Clinton's supporters. They have a big mountain to climb, while HRC's campaign is Wall Street funded and coddled by the party.

[bravenak]

38. Well he should have started out by inviting a diverse group of us to his revolution

Then we might have not felt like afterthoughts

[Marr]

39. Welcome back to Non-Sequitur Theater!