Bernie Sanders's revolution is not showing up

[bravenak]

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/Decoder/2016/0222/Bernie-Sanders-s-revolution-is-not-showing-up

[bravenak]

2. Not enough wifi hotspots at caucuses

[workinclasszero]

54. Lolz!

[workinclasszero]

52. Zing!

[99th_Monkey]

3. Nope. Don't see that revolution anywhere.

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Within a few months, starting in single-digits nationally, Bernie has virtually tied one,
won one, and narrowly lost one by 6%.

Nope. No revolution here.

[bravenak]

4. I dont see it but I live in a minority heavy community and polls bear this out tol

[NuclearDem]

9. PROTIP: When one number is bigger than another, the result is not called a tie.

[giftedgirl77]

38. This can't be for real.

[workinclasszero]

55. Damn that math and science crap

It always gets in the way......

[lunamagica]

129. It is called Berniemath...the same that is used for his proposals

[workinclasszero]

130. Undoubtedly

[Number23]

99. I thought it was precious when folks were saying they'd "tied" in Iowa. Now apparently a six point

loss is still a tie too.

[72DejaVu]

113. If 6 down is a tie

Didn't Romney beat Obama? He was down less than 6.

[Number23]

114. Exactly!

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

101. Math 101

[Agschmid]

128. Ummm...

[cali]

5. The ugliest kind of bullshit, intended to kill it in the cradle.

And the downturn in voting is hardly just Bernie's responsibility.

[bravenak]

10. WhatEVER CALI

[nc4bo]

20. IF she lucks out and wins, enthusiasm will be a real problem. Then it won't just be all about HRC

supporters' and their "We're Ready for Hillary" and an even bigger than who can or can't get a minority vote.

[oasis]

32. "Enthusiasm". Bernie might have had a victory in Nevada

with just a dollop more of that.

[AtomicKitten]

39. It took Reid's thumb on the scale for her to eek out a win.

[oasis]

49. Reid's influence actually increased Democratic turnout.

Where were your guys.

[AtomicKitten]

86. Lots of "irregularities" by Camp Weathervane documented on video.

Such as Clinton supporters participating in the caucuses without registering, etc., etc.

Funny how it appears Clinton people are actually doing what they accused Obama of in 2008 in the caucuses.

[workinclasszero]

57. Sour grapes

Where was the revolution when it was needed?

[AtomicKitten]

88. Chin up little fella: Don't feel bad she lost by 22.5% in New Hampshire.

[workinclasszero]

132. I don't because

I know what's coming starting this Saturday.

[CentralMass]

6. The delegates count is tied at 51 and Sanders is winning the popular vote by a comfortable margin.

[bravenak]

7. And we go to the south now in a few days

[basselope]

42. So, we will be back to a tie after Super Tuesday.

[bravenak]

43. Whatever,

[basselope]

51. Sorry it didn't work out for you.

[Go Vols]

66. +1

[ismnotwasm]

105. What didn't work out?

You think Sanders has a chance? Great. Thing is he himself has said to effect change he will need an army of millions. Where are they?

[basselope]

119. Giving him a historic win in NH... closing 30 point gaps against the "inevitable" candidate.

Battling dark money and the DNC and right now tied in delegates and ahead in the popular vote.

[el_bryanto]

8. Looks like we are stuck with Hillary Clinton

No economic reform, little if any environmental reform, continued international aggression. Assuming she can beat Trump, which, well, right now looks like it might be difficult.

Oh well, I guess we are stuck with the status quo - amazing that so many people here are enthused by that.

Bryant

[bravenak]

11. Diversity matters

[el_bryanto]

13. The environment matters. The rigged economy matters. People dying in wars of aggression matter. nt

[bravenak]

14. Wont get any traction without a diverse coalition

[el_bryanto]

22. Exactly - so we are stuck with Hillary Clinton - who won't make any traction at all

because she doesn't really want to.

And that's the way things go.

Bryant

[bravenak]

24. I see no history of her opponent making traction

[el_bryanto]

30. Well after the Clinton's first turn in the White House they successfully turned the party right

Are you unfamiliar with this? Among other things, they made it very clear that they were on white people's side, that they weren't going to be aggressive on racial issues - and of course they weren't. They committed to mass incarceration of black people and they "reformed" welfare. And they were very successful; giving them and their allies control over the Democratic party. In such a context it's not surprising that Sanders hasn't been able to move the needle very much.

This year is different though; the liberal elements of the party are waking up and challenging the status quo - I gather you think it would be better if Hillary Clinton had been able to run unopposed, given your complete disdain for Sanders and his supporters, but if she sounds like a liberal right now it's only because she's had to face a principled opponent who is arguing for actual left wing policies, instead of the watered down liberalism of the Clintons.

Bryant

[bravenak]

33. Her opponent

Has no history of significant legislation, no track record of achieving congressional accord, not a big enough coalition. Who will back his agenda in Congress? Nobody knows.

[el_bryanto]

48. Your argument does basically boil down to there's no hope for something better

That's very uplifting. I can see why you are so gung ho to support Clinton.

Bryant

[bravenak]

56. My point is he's not actually BETTER!

It's not like he's Jill Stein! For her? I'd jump right on the bandwagon if she became a Dem. Not for him.

[el_bryanto]

90. That's not your argument; or at least not the argument you are making now

The argument you are making now is that Clinton is more powerful politically (because she's moved to the left and cozied up to the monied interests) and so is more likely to get her agenda passed.

Bryant

[bravenak]

91. Which means she is better at politics

[el_bryanto]

93. If that's enough for you - that's enough for you.

Lots of people are good at politics. Many republicans for example. Doesn't mean they are worth supporting.

Bryant

[bravenak]

95. It is NECESSARY to beat THEM

[workinclasszero]

60. Those pesky facts again

bravenak

[bravenak]

61. Sorry

[workinclasszero]

65. Nope. You will do it again

I hope

[bravenak]

68. I just cannot stop

[ladjf]

94. I have asked you to list the significant legislation pertaining to civil rights

for POC passed by anyone since 1960, and you have not answered my question but continue to single out Sanders for not having any legislation. I would be interested in seeing Sec. Clinton's track record for civil rights legislation.

[bravenak]

96. I already did on jons thread. In my journal

[cherokeeprogressive]

53. They don't seem to care. They want a woman to be President and they want it to be Hillary.

Nothing else matters. Nothing at all. Death penalty? Harumph! TPP? Haha! Pipeline? Let's talk! Wall Street? Shhh! (look the other way!) Higher education for everyone? I got mine! My kid got hers! My granddaughter? They'll be naming schools AFTER her! We're the Clintons!

[panader0]

12. Hillary's biggest lead was when she announced her candidacy.

It's been downHill ever since while Bernie's trajectory is climbing.

"Revolution is about the need to re-evolve political, economic and social justice and power back into the hands of the people, preferably through legislation and policies that make human sense. That's what revolution is about. Revolution is not about shootouts."

Bobby Seale

Bobby Seale was a Black Panther

[bravenak]

16. This is not a Bobby Type revolution he would be in favor of reparations

[panader0]

81. Hillary is not in favor of reparations

[bravenak]

82. Bobby was nothing like bernie he was in favor of reparations

[workinclasszero]

62. Bobbie Seale

Was a real revolutionary.

He didn't play one on reddit or the pre Internet version whatever that might have been.

[panader0]

71. Did you even read his quote?

He seems to be describing what Bernie is trying to do.

[Nanjeanne]

15. Maybe not. But then Hillary should be coasting to her win - and that's not happening.

[bravenak]

18. Holla at me after SC

[Nanjeanne]

70. SC is just one state isn't it? 53 delegates?

Let's see what happens after a lot of people get a chance to vote in primaries.

Sanders may very well not be able to make it out of Super Tuesday. Or he may. Texas may be the big cheese in terms of delegates. Lots of time to see what happens.

[bravenak]

73. Holla at me after Super Tuesday

[Nanjeanne]

74. It's a date.

[workinclasszero]

17. Dude really ?

Get out of bed, off of reddit on the mac book and go vote.

Uh...I saw lots of yard signs for Bernie so...yeah I'm kinda busy.....

But hey I'll vote in this online poll a 100 times to make up for it! Go Bernie!

[bravenak]

19. But I need to MEME THIS RIGHT NOW DAD!!!

Can I please have some money to send to act blue??? And buy honey smacks!!

[workinclasszero]

21. Hahaha!

[bravenak]

26. You OLIGARCH!!!!!!

[workinclasszero]

50. Hey I'm still waiting on my check

From Goldman Sachs, they better hurry up!

[bravenak]

59. My shillbucks never came either

[NurseJackie]

27. Da-a-a-amn!

[grntuscarora]

23. People working multiple jobs to put food on the table

and pay the bills might be too exhausted to be in the front lines. But if you are stupid enough to believe they aren't paying attention and are indifferent, the mistake is yours.

It might not be this election cycle, but I believe the shit will hit the fan in the not too distant future.

[bravenak]

29. They did not show up

[grntuscarora]

31. They will.

[bravenak]

34. When?

[grntuscarora]

47. I don't know, but just keep pushing

and we'll all find out.

History seems to indicate it'll be where and when it's least expected.

[bravenak]

58. Oooh! I'll be waiting

[grntuscarora]

69. You really are confident in your disdain for struggling people.

A fine representative for HRC.

[bravenak]

72. I am a struggling people

When those with more money talk down to me about me disdaining myself I get confused.

[grntuscarora]

78. Sorry, bravenak.

I think I should be righteously angry, but I can't figure out what your sentence meant.

[bravenak]

79. I Mean I am the poor

And those with money sneer at me for my choices from their comfortable keeps and castles and chateaus

[grntuscarora]

83. Oh. Well I don't live in keep, castle, or chateau either.

And I hope sincerely that HRC will protect your interests if elected, as I am confident Bernie Sanders will protect mine, if elected!

[basselope]

63. In the general election if you give them a candidate for whom is worth voting.

(Ie, Not Hillary)

[bravenak]

64. Nope! Gotta vote in primaries to pick the general candidate

[basselope]

84. Nobody HAS TO do anything.

I think you are going find that out if god forbid Clinton gets the nomination and you are wondering how we ended up with President Trump.


Why didn't they vote for her?

WHY???

[bravenak]

85. Logic

One must do x in order to do y. If one does not want to do y, one can do nothing at all

[basselope]

89. False logic.

One does not HAVE TO vote in a caucus (x) to vote in a general election (y).

So sorry this isn't working out for you.

[bravenak]

92. Yes they do if they wanna help pick the candidate like I said already

[basselope]

117. However, that remains a false statement.

[bravenak]

118. I'm sorry

Your sigline is hilarious!

[basselope]

120. I'm sorry.

You are unable to get it.

[bravenak]

121. I cannot not look at it

It distracts me from the text

[basselope]

122. Sorry your are so easily distracted.

Guess that explains a lot.

[bravenak]

123. Ok

[basselope]

124. And easy to control as well.

[bravenak]

127. How so?

[basselope]

135. Like that.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

104. Facts are stubborn things

[bravenak]

109. Like stains

[giftedgirl77]

46. Um, the voting thing is kind of a one shot thing.

The don't give do-overs in the primaries.

[NCTraveler]

25. Bullshit. They "liked" the Sanders facebook page.

They have voted in online after online poll and you have the nerve to say they didn't show up.

One camp is redefining every aspect of politics this cycle. It's now time to redefine enthusiasm.

I so wish one of our current candidates brought out the enthusiasm, extreme ground game, and flat out brilliance of the Obama campaign. I figure Clinton has two and a half out of the three.

Happy Monday bravenak!!!

[bravenak]

28. Winning in all fifty states!!!!

Happy monday!

[yourpaljoey]

35. Unless... it is

[bravenak]

36. It hasnt

[dinkytron]

37. But Bravenak sure is, as predictable as ever.

[MelissaB]

40. Yep! Really bringing the Dems together.

[bravenak]

45. I am steadfast

Timeless and unchanging

[Attorney in Texas]

41. Sanders beat projections in Iowa and New Hampshire, and fought a closer race in Nevada than Obama

versus Clinton in 2008.

Not showing up?

Thanks for your concern for democracy.

[bravenak]

44. But its a REVOLUTION

[Attorney in Texas]

100. Enjoy your smug. Either Sanders will win the nomination or Rubio will win the presidency and you

will want to store your happy feelings in a special place to comfort you when that happens.

[bravenak]

102. Sounds ominous

[Attorney in Texas]

125. Does it get any more ominous than us nominating a distrusted candidate who would lose to Rubio?

[bravenak]

126. Rubio cannot win

[oasis]

67. Women and PoC will show up because they truly believe there

is too much at stake for THEM.

People who have romanticized notions of revolution are not as motivated.

[bravenak]

75. We suffer most

[lunamagica]

133. Exactly! Perfectly said in a few words. We live in the real world

and don't believe in fantasies

[oasis]

136. How much energy is the average voter going to invest in an abstract,

pie in sky vision? The lure of free stuff is always a surefire attention getter and it'll fill up a stadium here and there. So will national prayer crusades which promise first class seats inside the pearly gates.

In each case, enthusiastic crowds gather, already predisposed to be mesmerized by the sermon. Results vary as to the lasting impact of the preacher's message after the faithful return to their everyday routine.

[liberal N proud]

76. Found them...

[bravenak]

77. They must vote online

Cool

[NurseJackie]

97. This is the "clicky-clicky" brigade (CCB) for those online polls we used to hear so much about.

Seems like they're not mentioned here as much as they used to be. (Or maybe I just have all the right people on ignore, and I never see them any more.)

[bravenak]

98. After they win all fifty states we will be CRUSHED!!!!!

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

111. With apps like this who has time to make friends?

Much less vote.

[Autumn]

137. Generation Y: Looking for jobs — and an identity

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/09/05/generation-y-millennials-unemployment-jobs interesting pic.

[virtualobserver]

80. it is showing up in the national polls

RCP Average 2/10 - 2/17 -- -- Clinton 47.6 Sanders 42.0

[bravenak]

87. We go state by state district by district

Delegates matter. Ask Obama how clinton lost but got more votes in 08

[virtualobserver]

107. of course....but if Bernie is at 52% next month and 57% the following month

you can't argue that there is no revolution, and the superdelegates won't go against that kind of popular support.

People keep claiming that Bernie has reached a ceiling....and keep writing him off. But as he keeps travelling from state to state, more and more people are connecting.

[bravenak]

112. No ifs

[virtualobserver]

115. the revolution is at 42% with no ceiling in sight

[bravenak]

116. If you say so

[flamingdem]

103. Why are the millenials staying home?

That's the confusing part. They have a lot at stake.

[bravenak]

106. I have no idea I ask but they always take out their phones

We only had pagers and big ass phones when i was that age. They are BUSY

[flamingdem]

108. We need to be able to vote via Twitter! nt

[bravenak]

110. YEP

[Cali_Democrat]

131. That's actually a pretty good idea

Maybe not twitter, but there should be a secure website a voter can log into to cast their ballots.

And it should be mobile-friendly.

[DrDan]

134. their feeling are hurt

[uponit7771]

138. Its still trying to find its unicorns

[bravenak]

139. True