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PRESS RELEASE
Sanders Wins Nevada Latinos, Study Shows
FEBRUARY 22, 2016
LAS VEGAS Bernie Sanders won the Latino vote in Nevada, according to an analysis released on Monday by the widely-respected William C. Velasquez Institute.
The institutes detailed analysis was conducted after Hillary Clintons campaign disputed entrance poll numbers by discounting the impact of high turnout by younger Latino voters in Saturdays Nevada precinct caucuses.
We note that some analysts have said that Secretary Clintons victories in heavily Latino precincts proved that she won the Latino vote. However the methodology of using heavily Latino or barrio precincts to represent Latino voting behavior has been considered ineffective and discarded for more than 30 years due to non-barrio residential patterns common among Latino voters since the 1980s, said Antonio González, the president of the non-partisan organization whose purpose is to conduct research aimed at improving the level of political and economic participation in Latino and other communities.
Simply put there is no relevant statistical inconsistency between Edisons Entry Poll results for Latinos, Whites, and Blacks and the overall election results. Based on this fact WCVI concludes that there is no statistical basis to question the Latino vote breakdown between Secretary Clinton and Sen. Sanders.
It is not surprising that we received the support of the Latino community in Nevada, especially since the majority of those that turned out were young Latinos, said Erika Andiola, a Sanders spokeswoman. We have consistently seen that the under-35 age group overwhelmingly supports Sen. Sanders, regardless of race, ethnicity or gender. Its also important to remember that young Latinos live all across Nevada and not just in Clark County.
According to the Census Bureau, the Latino population in Nevada is 10 years younger than the national average.
For months, as Sen. Sanders has traveled across the country, we have seen that the more people get to know him and learn about his consistency and what he stands for, the more people support him. This was certainly the case in Nevada as well where we saw a huge shift in support after he started spending time in the state and staff and volunteers mobilized to amplify his message, Andiola said.
https://berniesanders.com/press-release/sanders-wins-nevada-latinos-study-shows/
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)And to cling desperately to the meme that only white people can possibly like Bernie.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)The caucus was completely over before the big brouhaha broke out on Twitter over what she said, so it was totally unnecessary.
All it did was hurt a lot of feelings and cause more division within our party.
That's all it did, nothing more.
It was totally useless garbage!
MisterP
(23,730 posts)vote for Trump?
reality is their enemy, and they've proudly declared as much
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Coming up next: "We have leopards in our bedrooms, and Hillary's mother was the queen of Quebec."
jillan
(39,451 posts)the Progressive Caucus & a Bernie supporter.
Progressive dog
(7,602 posts)count the votes for Bernie.
Segami
(14,923 posts)to go look for Hillary's Goldman Sachs transcripts?........
Progressive dog
(7,602 posts)those missing Bernie votes? He doesn't mind being asked to do the impossible.
Segami
(14,923 posts)Progressive dog
(7,602 posts)Uncle Joe
(65,134 posts)that process stunk and the votes total should've been released.
Editorial: Something smells in the Democratic Party
Once again the world is laughing at Iowa. Late-night comedians and social media mavens are having a field day with jokes about missing caucusgoers and coin flips.
Thats fine. We can take ribbing over our quirky process. But what we cant stomach is even the whiff of impropriety or error.
What happened Monday night at the Democratic caucuses was a debacle, period. Democracy, particularly at the local party level, can be slow, messy and obscure. But the refusal to undergo scrutiny or allow for an appeal reeks of autocracy.
The Iowa Democratic Party must act quickly to assure the accuracy of the caucus results, beyond a shadow of a doubt.
First of all, the results were too close not to do a complete audit of results. Two-tenths of 1 percent separated Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton. A caucus should not be confused with an election, but its worth noting that much larger margins trigger automatic recounts in other states.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/opinion/editorials/caucus/2016/02/03/editorial-something-smells-democratic-party/79777580/
Progressive dog
(7,602 posts)the world laugh at Iowa. But I think they laugh at Iowa because of editorials like that one. The lack of data to do a recount on might be why they don't do a recount.
The only way to satisfy some of the most obnoxious Bernie supporters would be to hold the caucuses over and over until Bernie won. I'm probably too optimistic in that analysis, it actually would probably take a unanimous vote to satisfy them.
Uncle Joe
(65,134 posts)Obama 93,952 38%
Edwards 74,377 30%
Clinton 73,663 29%
Richardson 5,278 2%
Biden 2,328 1%
Uncommitted 345 0%
Dodd 58 0%
Gravel 0 0%
Kucinich 0 0%
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#IA
Progressive dog
(7,602 posts)They must have moved it so they could hide the votes.
Uncle Joe
(65,134 posts)with this.
I know, that damn Democratic party makes the world laugh at Iowa. But I think they laugh at Iowa because of editorials like that one. The lack of data to do a recount on might be why they don't do a recount.
The only way to satisfy some of the most obnoxious Bernie supporters would be to hold the caucuses over and over until Bernie won. I'm probably too optimistic in that analysis, it actually would probably take a unanimous vote to satisfy them.
I then posted the vote totals for the 2008 Democratic Primary in Iowa and as you have no answer to that, you want to talk about Nevada.
P.S. The Des Moines Register endorsed Hillary prior to the caucus.
Spirochete
(5,264 posts)besides basic blue?
Progressive dog
(7,602 posts)to represent Democrats, so I am proud to call blue my favorite political color.
HillDawg
(198 posts)So I guess he did really poor somewhere there.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)Persondem
(2,101 posts)Petrushka
(3,709 posts)Edited to add:
I found that link on the William C. Velasquez Institute's Facebook page, which I found by doing a Bing search. Bing is also your friend.
Persondem
(2,101 posts)The sample was less than 1000 voters. Not sure how any outside agency can assume the entrance poll was ok without the demographics.
Petrushka
(3,709 posts)I gave their website a quick once-over and imagine someone else discovering there's plenty enough information there to keep one busy for days . . . but, tsk! . . . I didn't bother to save the link. I'm sure you can find it easily enough.
joshcryer
(62,536 posts)Comes up to 85%.
Add up Clinton voters, comes to 50%.
Add up Sanders voters, comes up to 33%.
Sanders did not lose the electorate by freaking 17%.
The Entry Poll was bunk and I don't see how they can conclude it was "statistically consistent with the margin of victory."
Antonio Gonzalez supports Sanders, it's bad that they're playing this tack. It changes focus toward AA voters which could very well take resources away from Latino voters.
Number23
(24,544 posts)An ABC article says that young Hispanics went for Sanders by over 40 percentage points but that those over 45 went for Clinton by MORE than 2 to 1. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/inside-nevada-entrance-poll-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders/story?id=37114648
Either hardly any young Hispanics voted or the the number of those who were over 45 must have absolutely dwarfed those under 45. Because otherwise, his fairly substantive loss there makes no sense whatsoever. There's no way his 54-point loss among black voters there explains everything.
Edit: But having said that, the ABC article is based on entrance polls which typically are full of it.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)No Clintonite wedge/identity politics for Latinos!
Tarc
(10,601 posts)jhart3333
(332 posts)From the OP(right up at the top there if you care to read it):
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using heavily Latino or barrio precincts to represent Latino voting behavior has been considered ineffective and discarded for more than 30 years due to non-barrio residential patterns common among Latino voters since the 1980s
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Tarc
(10,601 posts)The one that quotes from a Sanders press release?
jhart3333
(332 posts)Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Any other way you want to dismiss him? Do I have enough posts for you?
Tarc
(10,601 posts)The first one was good, but thanks for your "concern".
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Just seems kind of rude to bag on someone here since 2011 by making people think they are a sock or zombie for someone else because their account is new judged only by post count.
Though, that seems to be the tactic of how some candidates think they win voters.
Tarc
(10,601 posts)Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Have a good one.
Petrushka
(3,709 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Petrushka
(3,709 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Last edited Tue Feb 23, 2016, 04:08 AM - Edit history (1)
artislife
(9,497 posts)SidDithers
(44,333 posts)Sid
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)For Immediate Release More Info: 323-332-6160
Statement by WCVI President Antonio Gonzalez:
Who Won the Nevada Latino Vote?
Latinos Reached a Record Share of Nevada Democratic Caucuses
(Los Angeles, Feb 22)After hearing about disputes between the Sanders and Clinton over the Edison Entry Poll Survey results on the Latino vote in the Feb 20 Primary Caucuses WCVI undertook a review of the publicly disclosed data.
WCVI concludes that the survey results are statistically consistent with the margin of victory of Hillary Clinton on Feb 20.The main dispute among pundits and between campaigns has been the assertion that it is statistically impossible for Hillary Clinton to narrowly lose the Latino vote (45% to 53% with Latinos representing 19% of the voters) and narrowly lose Whites (47% to 49% with Whites representing 59% of the voters) and still win the election by 5.3%.
However WCVI concludes the Clinton margin of victory is adequately explained by the large margin of victory Secretary Clinton won among African American voters (77% to 23% with AA's representing 13% of the voters).
Simply put there is no relevant statistical inconsistency between Edison's Entry Poll results for Latinos, Whites, and Blacks and the overall election results. Based on this fact WCVI concludes that there is no statistical basis to question the Latino vote breakdown between Secretary Clinton and Senator Sanders.
We note that some analysts have said that Secretary Clinton's victories in heavily Latino precincts proved that she won the Latino vote. However the methodology of using heavily Latino or "barrio" precincts to represent Latino voting behavior has been considered ineffective and discarded for more than 30 years due to non-barrio residential patterns been common among Latino voters since the 1980's.
Lost is this controversy is the fact that the data shows a record high Latino vote share in the Democratic Caucuses with Latinos representing 19% of the vote compared to 13% in 2008.
WCVI is a non-profit, non-partisan Latino public policy and research organization founded in 1985 with offices in Los Angeles and San Antonio.