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Well, them Senator Sanders, if Hillary is adopting ALL your language and positions then you can (Original Post) Jitter65 Feb 2016 OP
"she has had her positions for years"... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #1
Or maybe civil unions do not count for much either. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #34
Seperate but equal FTW! Hydra Feb 2016 #46
she can bow out. or get indicted. either works for me. roguevalley Feb 2016 #57
Remind me how civil unions are about a man and a woman? Or why statutory discrimination is okay merrily Feb 2016 #55
She had every position over the years: Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #61
Sorry. Policies that expire at the end of the primaries don't count. GoneFishin Feb 2016 #2
Ding ding ding! warrprayer Feb 2016 #3
+10,000 nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #6
THREAD WINNER FreakinDJ Feb 2016 #8
Lol!! dana_b Feb 2016 #14
I finally put all of the Clinton supporters on ignore today. JimDandy Feb 2016 #49
You said it all. nt dflprincess Feb 2016 #28
Yep. Luminous Animal Feb 2016 #29
Brilliant. Thank you. n/t JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #50
Co-sign. GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #63
In her own words Matariki Feb 2016 #4
! ebayfool Feb 2016 #21
Where did you find that? jillan Feb 2016 #32
In the vast expanses of the intertubes! LOL! n/t ebayfool Feb 2016 #47
Now THAT's a keeper. nt Smarmie Doofus Feb 2016 #38
.... 840high Feb 2016 #54
That might be true IF the candidate wasn't known for LYING and constantly changing one's mind. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #5
EXACTLY!! n/t tokenlib Feb 2016 #15
They are more similar than most Sanders supporters think they are. Which they both have said, even Lucinda Feb 2016 #7
Wrong! She can change her words but they are worlds apart.. tokenlib Feb 2016 #17
I'll take Bernie's word for it. Your mileage may vary. n/t Lucinda Feb 2016 #37
What nonsense. cali Feb 2016 #26
She would be completely different debating a republican n/t arcane1 Feb 2016 #40
Not really... cui bono Feb 2016 #42
Again, Bernie's words are the ones I'll be listening to. n/t Lucinda Feb 2016 #45
Um, I don't know what you mean... cui bono Feb 2016 #58
What I said originally, that Hillary and Bernie have both said they aren't that different in beliefs Lucinda Feb 2016 #59
But they are. Did you go to the link I gave you? They're miles apart. cui bono Feb 2016 #60
And yet, people tend to believe Sanders. Go figure. n/t mikehiggins Feb 2016 #52
Bull. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #53
Bernie's held these positions for decades. TDale313 Feb 2016 #9
Except when he wanted civil unions in Vermont. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #36
Funny, I tend to believe someone's stances more when I can't hear the squealing of a weathervane. nt VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #10
Yep. When it spins around so erratically I can't really tell which way it is pointing. nt GoneFishin Feb 2016 #18
heck, even the logo's started to represent her changing positions iAZZZo Feb 2016 #22
LOL Perfect!! jillan Feb 2016 #31
and now betty white is fed up with her: "enough is enough!" iAZZZo Feb 2016 #43
Funny. We know she'll *totally* stick to those newfound positions. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2016 #11
Who do you think you are kidding. Flip-flop. jwirr Feb 2016 #12
Pivot! Pivot! Bad Thoughts Feb 2016 #13
She's been using Bernie's words for months now...and no he will not! bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #16
Phony positions in a primary don't count for shit jfern Feb 2016 #19
She will flip again as soon as she sees an advantage in it. Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #20
She's like a cheap knock-off brand Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #23
She doesn't flip: dchill Feb 2016 #48
Bwahahahahaha. Like fucking hell. cali Feb 2016 #24
I don't find the arguments convincing. Impedimentus Feb 2016 #25
...... daleanime Feb 2016 #27
Hope you are for the TPP. And I hope you don't care about climate change. jillan Feb 2016 #30
You will have to come up with something better than that to get me to even... Kalidurga Feb 2016 #33
Welcome to DU. Smarmie Doofus Feb 2016 #35
K & R, good post Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #39
He's acting more smug/ arrogant lately ecstatic Feb 2016 #41
Because we can take her at her word that she will pursue the same policies as Bernie. cui bono Feb 2016 #44
One thing I don't understand is the flip-flopping on single payer health care. californiabernin Feb 2016 #51
LOL! If any candidate is superfluous, it's the johnny come lately copycat with the low ratings merrily Feb 2016 #56
Hillary is just adapting her campaign blather. djean111 Feb 2016 #62
the typical defense when accused of not delivering on promises, changing positions, etc." islandmkl Feb 2016 #64
But she's insincere and un-electable. Cobalt Violet Feb 2016 #65

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
46. Seperate but equal FTW!
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:08 AM
Feb 2016

Keep in mind some of us were here on DU at the time when the argument that was put forth by the supporters of the Establishment that the LBGT community needed to wait for when it was politically convenient for them to get even bones.

Scary republicans were making noises. Sensible people said we needed to be careful and ignore what was right.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
55. Remind me how civil unions are about a man and a woman? Or why statutory discrimination is okay
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 03:04 AM
Feb 2016

for members of the GLBT community, but no one else? Or why she speecified against equal marriage just when the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court was requiring it in Massachusetts?

BTW, when did she fight for civil unions?

Is there nothing you can't rationalize?

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
61. She had every position over the years:
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 04:22 AM
Feb 2016

whatever the polls and focus groups told her to think.

She is a follower, not a leader, and I don't trust the ones she follows.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
14. Lol!!
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:03 AM
Feb 2016

and threads from more low post count people who keep shilling for Hillary. I've seen more and more of them lately.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
49. I finally put all of the Clinton supporters on ignore today.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:56 AM
Feb 2016

430 of them! Took me a couple of hours. I had only about 6 or 7 posters on ignore before that (and one of those was a SBSS who insisted on calling Clinton a "chick&quot and the most I've ever had on ignore at one time was probably less than 20. And now I've got to add this rash of HCS low-posters. It's nothing personal against any of them, but when I've got to focus my energy on getting Bernie elected, I want my online community support time to be positive.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
5. That might be true IF the candidate wasn't known for LYING and constantly changing one's mind.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:54 PM
Feb 2016

Let me add to her accomplishments:

* Killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people with her IWR vote.

* Sending children back to Central America to b killed.

* Throwing individuals and families off of welfare and in to the streets.

* Moving jobs overseas.

* Calling children super-predators.

* Increasing wealth inequity.

* Imprisoning more people in the US than the rest of the world combined.

Thanks Hillary!

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
7. They are more similar than most Sanders supporters think they are. Which they both have said, even
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:56 PM
Feb 2016

on the debate stage.
The differences come in the details about what to do to achieve progress.

tokenlib

(4,186 posts)
17. Wrong! She can change her words but they are worlds apart..
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:09 AM
Feb 2016

On free trade, on Social Security expansion, on Wall Street for certain, on kissing corporate ass , on tax policy, certainly on health care, on endless war and defense contractors enriching themselves... You really have to be kidding!!

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
42. Not really...
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:01 AM
Feb 2016

In fact, not at all:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511310576

Plus getting money out of politics is a fundamental difference. I difference that affects everything else. It's about the core of you belief about whether we have a govt of, by and for the people or we have a govt controlled by corporate interests.

And then there's the fact that she doesn't have any real core policy positions. She says whatever she needs to at any given time.

.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
59. What I said originally, that Hillary and Bernie have both said they aren't that different in beliefs
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 03:46 AM
Feb 2016

just in the ideas about how to achieve solutions.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
60. But they are. Did you go to the link I gave you? They're miles apart.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 03:48 AM
Feb 2016

Especially on the money in politics issue which as I said, is fundamental to the core of our very democracy.

I still don't understand why you responded by saying you will keep listening to him.

.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
9. Bernie's held these positions for decades.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:58 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary's a shape shifter who will race back to the center-right (where she's always been most comfortable) the second she feels she's got the nomination sown up. I feel no confidence these are positions she'll spend one iota of political capital fighting for.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
20. She will flip again as soon as she sees an advantage in it.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:21 AM
Feb 2016

She is the one who should bow out. Since now even she can see that Bernie has the better policy positions.





Impedimentus

(898 posts)
25. I don't find the arguments convincing.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:45 AM
Feb 2016

You aren't likely to change anyone's mind about Sen. Sanders with this kind of puerile thread. Threads like this do have some amusement value, however.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
30. Hope you are for the TPP. And I hope you don't care about climate change.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:49 AM
Feb 2016

Because she was for it before she was against it and if she is President, she will be for it again.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
33. You will have to come up with something better than that to get me to even...
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:50 AM
Feb 2016

think about voting for "Send em back" Hillary.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
44. Because we can take her at her word that she will pursue the same policies as Bernie.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:03 AM
Feb 2016

mmkay...

You see, adopting someone's words doesn't mean you have adopted their ethics and morals.

That being said, no, her positions are nowhere near Bernie's:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511310576

.

 

californiabernin

(421 posts)
51. One thing I don't understand is the flip-flopping on single payer health care.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:24 AM
Feb 2016

First she was for it, but now she is insistent it will "never, ever, ever" happen. Even if she think it won't happen with the current Congress (true), couldn't she still speak to her conviction (if it is a conviction) that it would be the best system?

It's what she believed? What she believes?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
56. LOL! If any candidate is superfluous, it's the johnny come lately copycat with the low ratings
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 03:16 AM
Feb 2016

for trustworthiness and honesty.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
62. Hillary is just adapting her campaign blather.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 06:11 AM
Feb 2016

Anyone who believe she has moved even a millimeter to the left is a fool.
Not buying what she is peddling.

islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
64. the typical defense when accused of not delivering on promises, changing positions, etc."
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:50 AM
Feb 2016
"I meant it when I said it..."
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