Van Jones: Bernie Was For Civil Rights When Hillary Was For Goldwater

[NWCorona]

I'm glad to see other blacks backing Bernie and calling BS on this artful smear

http://www.weeklystandard.com/van-jones-bernie-was-for-civil-rights-when-hillary-was-for-goldwater/article/2001217

[haikugal]

1. I really like Van Jones and I'm glad we're on the same side. Not surprising at all

But satisfying.

Thanks!

Jones emphasized that Bernie Sanders sounds like a one-issue candidate, but he doesn't have to. He added, "It is ironic [Hillary Clinton has] taken so many of his issues and now says he has one issue."

So true.

[grasswire]

63. I like Van Jones too.

A smart strategist, and personable.

[haikugal]

64. He works for the people...

For instance...

http://urbanintellectuals.com/2015/08/05/van-jones-i-will-teach-100000-black-children-computer-coding-via-his-program-yeswecode/

And here..

http://grist.org/green-jobs/everything-that-is-good-for-the-environment-is-a-job/

Van Jones is a keeper.

[roguevalley]

129. he's wonderful. Imagine how the DNC would be with him running it.

[deathrind]

154. What a nice thought.

The DNC would be a much better organization if he were.

[HooptieWagon]

2. Goldwater was running on a segregationist platform of course.

[zappaman]

3. Yawn.

Hillary was a Goldwater girl?
Wow, this new and breaking information is gonna change this whole race!!!!

[NWCorona]

4. I'm not saying it's new but it obviously isn't that boring

As you took the time to comment.

[zappaman]

5. ...

[NWCorona]

9. Your debating skills are impeccable lol

[Wilms]

15. Are you kidding?

No. They aren't!

[daleanime]

54. Now, let's give him credit....

he's doing the best he can with what he's got.

[Duval]

91. Yes. We must be compassionate.

And understanding, as well.

[NWCorona]

92. You must be Sheldon Cooper 😀

[panader0]

17. It's not new and breaking here on DU, but I'll bet most Dem voters don't know

[zappaman]

40. Or care. n/t

[daleanime]

56. Well, why don't we a "let them squared", let them know....

and let them decide if it means anything to them.

[gyroscope]

78. Most people outside of DU don't know that

people need to find out who the real Hillary is.

[zappaman]

85. or care.

But if you think that will deliver Sanders the nomination, have at it.

[gyroscope]

88. Black voters will care

It's still early in the race and there's plenty of time for them to learn out about it.

The more they know the less they like her.

It speaks to her character which has not changed since her Goldwater days
(ie: her ugly race-baiting campaign of 2008)

[nxylas]

101. I'm getting tired of it, and I'm a Sanders supporter

In the '80s, I was a Thatcher-worshipping Tory boy. I've changed since then, and I'm sure Hillary has too, albeit not as much.

[gyroscope]

106. You may have changed

Hillary has not, or not until it was politically expedient.

I'd rather someone who was consistent all their life than someone who will flip and flop at the drop of a hat.

[nxylas]

121. I think her positions now are more relevant

You can point out flip-flops from the last few years, her racist dog whistles against Obama, her ties to Wall Street. Her views from half a century ago have bugger all to do with this election

[randys1]

153. Change is not acceptable if you , well, etc...etc

Around these parts anything you can criticize Hillary for, you do (not you personally), anything you can for Bernie is just negative campaigning and so on.

I am also a Bernie supporter, but I find many of his supporters to be problematic.

[1StrongBlackMan]

122. Black voters don't know who the "real" HRC is ...

do you have any idea how patronizing that is? Do you care?

[randys1]

156. You just won a cookie, as that phrasing has now been said 1,000 times on DU

in one way or another

"If Black people knew what they were doing"


.............................

[zappaman]

124. oh right

I forgot that the monolithic AA voters were low information voters.
Yeah, once this gets out, and they hear about Bernie, he'll waltz to the nomination.

[uponit7771]

6. Who's Goldwater and why is he important now !?!??! tia...

[Matariki]

20. The same reason that claiming old photos of Bernie was someone else seemed to be

Far in the past only seems to matter when it's not your candidate.

[uponit7771]

33. That's true... that's true

[Carolina]

94. It's important because it is more evidence that Hillary

has been on the WRONG side of history!

Sure she says she has evolved, but she was wrong on Iraq, Honduras, Libya, Syria. She was wrong on the Patriot Act and the Bankuptcy Bill. And going back in time she and Bill (the two for one, the WH years she counts as part of her EXPERIENCE!) were wrong on Welfare Reform, Three Strikes, Telecommunications, Glass-Steagall... They were wrong to hire or retain these failed masters of the universe



Past is prologue! that's why it matters

[uponit7771]

168. Wasn't Warren a Republican at one time?!? tia

[Carolina]

170. You miss the point

entirely. It's not simply that they both were once republican. Rather, Hillary claims to have evolved but continues to BE WRONG on a whole litany of issues... the ones I listed above along with fracking, Monsanto's GMOs, the TPP and more. Plus, with her lies, pandering and campaign tactics, she and her surrogates are reminiscent of Nixon and his Committee to Re-Elect the President, better and more appropriately known by its acronym CREEP!.

Warren, on the other hand, truly evolved and is absolutely correct on the issues.

[NuclearDem]

7. You mean somebody was a Republican when they were a teenager

while someone in college was a liberal?

Someone should really tell John Lewis how horrible she is.

[kath]

10. she went to the Repub convention for Rockefeller when she was TWENTY-ONE.

[dsc]

22. that is a flat out lie

Goldwater was nominated in 1964 Clinton was born in 1947. Last I checked 1964-1947 is 17, not 21. She didn't even go to the convention at all BTW.

[kath]

26. Reading. Comprehension. Is. Your. Friend.

Republican Convention. Rockefeller. (Not. Goldwater.) -- this was in 1968.

When. She. Was. TWENTY-ONE.

[MADem]

37. They are math challenged, you see--they can't help it. And making stuff up is all they can do now.

They think that you can lose Nevada and still win the Latino vote and the caucasian vote! And they'll STICK with that lie because they need to. It adds up to them! They believe that 64-47 is 21! They'll Make Shit UP because they NEED to. The math, like the logic, is fuzzy.

And not in a good way, either.

This is what happens when your candidate's path to victory begins to narrow, and then crumble. People start inventing crazy stories, accusing others of doing the "kitchen sink" thing when they are the ones who are actually doing it, the surrogates go out in force, using disreputable right wing websites as "proof" of their assertions, or claiming that Trump is gonna win and will indict HRC, or all manners of foolishness.

It's sad. The grapes are sour, the dogs are in the mangers. They are feeling a burn, not a "Bern," and it's turning into a very uncomfortable itch.

They need to be soothed, poor dears.

[zappaman]

42. "math challenged"

Yes, where having less votes is actually a tie.

[Herman4747]

65. In 1968 (not 1964) she was supporting Rockefeller...

...while every single member of my family was supporting either Eugene McCarthy or Bobby Kennedy.
And by the way, 1968-1947 = 21.

[MADem]

68. Well, you are going to have to provide at least a LITTLE proof of that, ya know.

Since it seems to me Rockefeller was in NY, and Hillary was in Wellesley, MA at the time.

But hey, you go ON with your bad self....I will wait.

Sure you haven't been sniffing around those Conspiracy sites? Be careful, a lot of those have a rather bigoted aspect to them.


Oh, and lift with your legs, now! Those sinks can be very heavy!!

[Herman4747]

71. See Matariki's post for your proof.

Or read this from one of the books she wrote:

she attended the 1968 Republican convention to work for New York Gov. Nelson Rockefeller’s unsuccessful effort to get the GOP presidential nomination (pages 34-35).

from her book, Living History http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/hillary-worked-for-goldwater/

[MADem]

75. I seem to recall she supported McCarthy that year, and left the GOP because they

shit on the big R--but that kinda ruins your little thesis, dunnit? Oooooh, that SELECTIVE editing!!!!!

[George II]

128. You do understand that many young people take paid jobs as interns for Congresspeople....

....and in campaigns for the experience of working in politics, not because of the ideology of the candidate they're working "for"?

Plus, many many congressional intern positions are apolitical, too.

[Petrushka]

167. In 1968, she was an intern at the House Republican Conference and ...

...attended the "Wellesley in Washington" summer program. She also attended the 1968 Republican National Convention in Miami; and because of her experience there, she left the Republican Party.

With Bing as a friend, here's one source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton#Early_life_and_education

[Carolina]

100. You are so right, Herman but

it's useless pointing out mere facts to the willfully blind

[dragonfly301]

47. See if reading this clears your confusion

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/hillary-worked-for-goldwater/

[Matariki]

23. TWENTY-ONE is quite OLD for developing one's political identity.

I have the same values now that I did when I was 14.

[MADem]

41. The story isn't true, you know. But you believe it if it sweetens the taste

of those bitter grapes you're chomping on.

[Matariki]

52. Here is a LINK for you Madem

http://www.allgov.com/officials/clinton-hillary-rodham?officialid=28859

Her split from the GOP was not complete until the 1968 Republican National Convention in Miami, which she attended. Upset over Nixon’s harsh portrayal of Nelson Rockefeller, the moderate Republican whom she supported, and the GOP’s “veiled” racist messages, she left the Republican Party for good.

[Duval]

95. Mercy!! Hope this will clear it up once and for all.

Getting tired of this crap. Thanks Matariki!

[MADem]

179. LOL, I saw what you DID there--you 'edited out' the most important part!

HALF a paragraph you chopped off!!! The MOST IMPORTANT half, too!!!

Clinton attended Wellesley College and majored in political science. The political conservatism she inherited from her father continued, at first; she served as president of the Wellesley Young Republicans during her freshman year. But by her junior year, the civil rights movement and protests against the Vietnam War began to cause her philosophy to shift to the left. During the summer of 1968 she worked as an intern in Washington for the House Republican Conference. While still a Republican, she supported the Democratic campaign of Eugene McCarthy. .....

Anyone who doesn't believe me, go to the link that Matariki has provided above, and see the ENTIRE PARAGRAPH, in context.

Hmmm.


You can kind of speculate as to how old people are by the way they regard political labels like "Republican" and "Democrat." The GOP was not perceived as "evil" until Richard Nixon got moving with the dirty tricks. In fact, particularly in the northeast, there were many "liberal" Republicans. Nelson Rockefeller was one of them. He took a lot of heat for it, too.

Here's a little 'learning' for you on the matter, which might prevent you from making that mistake about characterizing people who supported Rockefeller during that timeframe in future:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockefeller_Republican

The Rockefeller Republicans, otherwise called Liberal Republicans, were members of the Republican Party (GOP) in the 1940s-1970s who held moderate to liberal views on domestic issues, similar to those of Nelson Rockefeller, Governor of New York (1959–1973) and Vice President of the United States (1974–1977). Rockefeller Republicanism has been described as the last phase of the "Eastern Establishment" of the GOP, which had been led by New York governor Thomas E. Dewey. The group's powerful role in the GOP came under heavy attack in 1964 and it lost most of its influence. At a discouraging point in the 1964 California primary campaign against Barry Goldwater, political operative Stuart Spencer called on Rockefeller to "summon that fabled nexus of money, influence, and condescension known as the Eastern Establishment. 'You are looking at it, buddy,' Rockefeller told Spencer. 'I am all that is left.'"[1]

[Matariki]

180. You were denying that she went to the 1968 Republican convention

Just wanted to focus on that fact to correct your record

[MADem]

182. You were focusing on the development of her

"political identity" -- rather ironic, too, given your candidate's long journey through political philosophies down the years--and the fact that he didn't even VOTE until he was forty.

Let me "focus" your attention on this comment of yours:

TWENTY-ONE is quite OLD for developing one's political identity.

And then provide you with this little interview:



Now, pray tell, WHO is confused about their "political identity?" The woman who has been supporting Democrats for public office since her junior year in college in the sixties, or the guy who never voted before he turned forty and voted for himself, and became a Democrat last year?

[NWCorona]

13. Some things are hard to let go

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[Fuddnik]

80. Got his number? I'll call him.

[RobertEarl]

8. Of course she was a Goldwater girl

Goldwater was a severe racist who fooled lots of young innocents, But not me or even most DUers. However there are some who, well, let's just say, may be deluded, still?

[NuclearDem]

12. You know what I blame for Goldwater?

Fukushima.

Damn time-traveling radiation.

[RobertEarl]

21. It owes rent

For all the space it occupies in your head.

Thank gawd Goldwater was crushed by LBJ. If Goldwater had won we'd not have the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act that LBJ made happen.

Indeed, had Goldwater been elected, the Blacks in the south would have had federal troops attacking them instead of protecting them.

Hillary: Wrong then, wrong now. Consistently.

[panader0]

25. Hence your user name?

[frazzled]

11. That is stupider than heck

And I like Van Jones, but it's just stupid. So a 17-year-old, who 2 years later, when she was in college, would become an activist democrat, organizing anti-Vietnam teach-ins, spearheading the movement on her campus for admitting more students of color, hiring more black faculty, and successfully getting the administration to start an Upward Bound program on campus for disadvantaged urban youths, and who led the campus activities after Martin Luther King was assassinated ... you're going to damn her because her parents were Republicans in a small suburb when she was a teenager?

How does he feel about Elizabeth Warren, who supported racist Republican candidates ... till she was 46 years old? And because she thought "they were better for the markets"?

Bernie Sanders has basically two things on his resume. He attended a school protest for which he received a $25 fine for resisting arrest; and he went, along with 500,000 other people, to Washington. Then he moved to Vermont which has next to no minority population, and so never had to directly deal with issues of race on an immediate basis at all for the next 45 years?

[cali]

19. That is bull. He spent two years as a civil rights activist in Chicago.

Taking your cues from Capehart.

Shame on you.

[EffieBlack]

130. And then he moved to Vermont. And no one can come up with anything tangible or memorable

that he did for civil rights for black people for decades thereafter.

That "Bernie marched with Martin and worked on civil rights for a couple of years in Chicago so he earned the Lifetime Civil Rights Achievement Award" brag is played out and the only people who are impressed by it are those who know so little about the 1960s civil rights movement that they think Sanders was on the forefront of it and who already support him.

There's a reason that black voters aren't buying into this en mass and aren't flocking to support Sanders. And it's not because they aren't aware of what he did in the '60s. And how could they not aware? They've been told about it countless times already.

[SheenaR]

162. I'll try

Hillary has done quite a share of race baiting in her campaigns. And her surrogates do her no favors there.

It's fairly hypocritical of Clinton supporters to deny this.

Did Hillary not call black kids super predators and moms on welfare deadbeats?

I believe these things happened

[Lucinda]

70. +1

[Duval]

103. +10

[AzDar]

14. I thank Van Jones for speaking the truth...

[jillan]

16. Wow! He is someone that has not been too kind to Bernie. This is Yuuuge!

[NWCorona]

18. Agreed!

[Tanuki]

89. Au contraire, he has been an outspoken and passionate

supporter of Sanders for quite some time. Google is your friend.

[PeaceNikki]

24. Oh, yeah? Well Clinton's been a Democrat for 45 years- Sanders for 4-5 months.

[giftedgirl77]

28. Not to mention Sanders never even bothered to vote until it was for himself.

He was very concerned with what was going on outside his little bubble.

[MADem]

44. How old was he then--forty? I'd say he's a little late to the electoral party.

Too busy writing those odd, off-putting "articles" I guess?

[NWCorona]

29. But he was never a Republican

A segregation Republican at that!

[PeaceNikki]

32. lol, before she could vote. That's such a stupid argument.

[NWCorona]

35. Not really

[PeaceNikki]

36. Yes. Really.

[NWCorona]

38. Are you forgetting about the campaign in 68?

[Tanuki]

84. She actively supported McCarthy in 1968. She did attend the GOP

Convention that summer as a part of her college's Wellesley in Washington internship. She did not choose her internship placement. The program director, Allen Schecter, has said that he made the placement.

[dragonfly301]

30. Remember when Obama was elected in 2008

and we rejoiced because we had 61 votes in the senate to be filibuster proof - guess who was counted in "our" 61 votes? He has always caucused with the Dems - enough of this nonsense.

[PeaceNikki]

34. The OP is nonsense so a nonsense reply is warranted AND appropriate.

[Trajan]

60. Sanders had adopted policies

That are New Deal in nature - far more 'Democrat' than the posers who now occupy the Democratic Party leadership ...

Given a choice between the 'real' Democrats who have transformed themselves into 'GOP-Lite', and the Independent that is beholden to New Deal values throughout his WHOLE LIFE?

I'll take the New Deal policies ...

I presumed you would have already made that distinction, but, alas, you apparently support 'GOP-Lite' ...

And, with that, .... Gone

[PeaceNikki]

69. kthxbai!!

[Carolina]

114. Sadly, you are wasting your breath with

the willfully blind who cannot see that past is prologue and that Hillary has been on the wrong side of history. Her Goldwater Girl days are but one example.

Sure she says she has evolved, but she was wrong on Iraq, Honduras, Libya, Syria. She was wrong on the Patriot Act and the Bankuptcy Bill. And going back in time she and Bill (the two for one, the WH years she counts as part of her EXPERIENCE!) were wrong on Welfare Reform, Three Strikes, Telecommunications, Glass-Steagall... They were wrong to hire or retain these failed masters of the universe




WRONG, WRONG, WRONG

[Trajan]

160. I totally agree

I don't put a lot of stock into the 'Goldwater Girl' criticisms, but, it's a reality .. it is a truism, and those who find such a fact objectionable should have their day ...

I'm so glad that Bernie is running ... No reason to feel compromised when pulling that handle in the voting booth ... He is for real and always had has been...

[livetohike]

76. +1000 n/t

[TIME TO PANIC]

93. Who gives a fuck?

Politically she's center-right.

[PeaceNikki]

96. Lol. Please hold while I note your concern....

[TIME TO PANIC]

116. Typical Hillarian snobbery. n/t

[PeaceNikki]

123. Awww, you need a hug?

[TIME TO PANIC]

125. I would rather discuss the issues, but I'll take a hug.

[AtheistCrusader]

97. Oh yeah, Sanders has always been a progressive, Hillary? Still waiting.

[PeaceNikki]

102. K.

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2016/02/believe-it-or-not-you-can-support.html?m=1

[AtheistCrusader]

134. TRP isn't often wrong, but when he's wrong he's SO far off the map it's hilarious.

Hillary runs left but governs to the center. So did her husband.

Want 'Welfare Reform'? Elect another Clinton. Go ahead. She won't veto it. Want NAFTA redux as the TPP? Elect another Clinton. Go ahead.

Etc.

No, Rude Pundit is very, very wrong. It DOES matter, between the current front runners in our primary. There's a LOT of daylight between them on issues.

[PeaceNikki]

136. You think he's wrong, and I think he's right.

And the main point of that piece is in the title. The divide between supporters here and elsewhere on the internet has been ridiculously toxic and that's a shame.

I like you, AC. I respect you. I stand so very solidly with you on many issues and I celebrate those and try not to let the disagreements turn the other stuff sour. I won't let it.

Anyway, carry on. And fuck the Pope.

[AtheistCrusader]

142. Fair enough.

My fear, my one fear with Hillary, is that she won't use her veto pen as often as Bernie will.

That's all we've got for now, given the makeup of the Congress.
So yes, I am very desperately in the tank for Bernie. Compromise isn't a word he'll use much, I think. And that's all I've got to cling to now.

If Hillary is your choice, I respect that, and no worries.
I'm going with my preference until the primary is over. Then I will support the nominee. I have little choice in the matter.

[PeaceNikki]

146. And I respect your choice as well. I think both are great.

I won't get into my reasons for supporting Clinton over Sanders here because I know full well I will get pounced on telling me how wrong or stupid I am (not by you).

I also don't get involved in the bashing of Sanders here because I think it sucks. I definitely have voiced concerns about the methods of supporters of both. Yeah, I fully about that I call out/get snarky with the Sanders supporters more because I see so very many right wing and/or libertarian smears being thrown. Or silly stuff like hey political affiliation when she was a teen-ager.

Yup, I'll support either nominee. Proudly, in fact. I think SCOTUS is far too important to play with. And I'm in a swing state. I take that seriously.

[arcane1]

105. Kim Davis was a Dem until a few months ago. Did she deserve your vote?

Was the "D" next to her name all that mattered?

[PeaceNikki]

111. Lol

[arcane1]

112. I knew you wouldn't have an intelligent answer to counter that

I win!

[PeaceNikki]

120. I understand. I'm sure that's important to you. Wear it proudly, add it to your resume.

Flex your big ol muscles in the mirror, you earned it!!

[Nonhlanhla]

27. And I liked

Wham and Duran Duran when I was 17. That doesn't mean that my music taste did not improve when I became an adult.

LOL, Bernie fans must be desperate. This is such a silly attack on Hillary.

[NWCorona]

31. Wham and Duran Duran didn't promote segregation

[Nonhlanhla]

39. What a profound statement.

[NWCorona]

43. I see you didn't like that being thrown back atcha

[MADem]

49. My, you seem very familiar with what people like for someone who has been here for seven days. nt

[NWCorona]

51. What does me being here for only 7 days have anything to

do with it?

[MADem]

86. Oh, nothing and everything, I suppose! LOL! nt

[MADem]

46. It's that kitchen sink they're accusing others of throwing. See--turns out that

Whoever Smelt It Dealt It is a true thing! They made the Kitchen Sink accusations...and here they are, toting it, faucets and all!

LOL!

[Bluenorthwest]

82. You should e-mail Van Jones and tell him only Jonny Capehart is allowed to speak of a candidate's

youthful politics. Jones is responding to a set of smears launched at Bernie by making a very valid point. A point that he would not be making if this whole 'Bernie is a fake and a racist' crap had not been a cottage industry for a few devoted Clinton supporters.

Seriously, you should tell Van exactly how you feel about it. He's prone to respond. He's capable of doing so.

[MADem]

87. I'd have to give a shit to do that.

In a few months, this will be a little dust up about people on the internet getting all WAAAH WAAAH WAAH about a former presidential candidate and the Democratic nominee.

More to the point, THE WEEKLY STANDARD--the source for this shit thread--is a virulently wingnut rag, that HATES Democrats, liberals, progressives, and anyone who has any care for the poor or disenfranchised, so I think it's funny as hell that anyone would defend them, tout them, and get all hot-breathed about them.

I tend to know people by the company they keep--and the WEEKLY STANDARD is a bad companion. Seriously!!!

Look at the glamour shot on this week's cover:

[Carolina]

118. Silly... not

Hillary has been on the wrong side of history. Her Goldwater Girl days are but one example.

Sure she says she has evolved, but she was wrong on Iraq, Honduras, Libya, Syria. She was wrong on the Patriot Act and the Bankuptcy Bill. And going back in time she and Bill (the two for one, the WH years she counts as part of her EXPERIENCE!) were wrong on Welfare Reform, Three Strikes, Telecommunications, Glass-Steagall... They were wrong to hire or retain these failed masters of the universe




WRONG, WRONG, WRONG

[Attorney in Texas]

45. Did Clinton support Republican Goldwater before she supported Republican Rockefeller or after?

[Herman4747]

72. before. Goldwater - 1964. Rockefeller - 1968. n/t

[Number23]

48. I love Van Jones but he sounds like a DUer on this. He should let this go

He is usually much, much sharper than this. He is still one fine looking man though.

Oh, and awesome source by the way.

[bravenak]

119. Yep

[randys1]

159. Big fan of Van and because of my lawyer friend in SF I have known and followed him longer

than most.

Van has a bright future if the racists dont win, again.

Bernie or no Bernie, Van is the man.

Van for president, actually.

If not now, soon

[Beacool]

50. FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME: HILLARY WAS A TEENAGER

Sanders was already an adult. She became a Democrat after her first year in college.

What the HELL is the matter with some of you who keep repeating this B.S. like a mantra?????????

[NWCorona]

53. It's not BS it's Hillary's life story.

[Beacool]

57. It's ridiculous and beyond low to try to bash someone for their political affiliations as a kid.

Is this the campaign that Sanders really wants? Because in that case, he wasn't even a Democrat until about 5 minutes ago.

[AtomicKitten]

55. That's an excuse, not a rebuttal.

[Beacool]

59. There's no need for a rebuttal. The whole premise is beyond ridiculous.

[Uncle Joe]

58. And as an adult Hillary admires and is a close friend with war criminal Henry Kissinger. n/t

[Beacool]

61. A former SOS who she consulted about China.

She also consulted with every other SOS.

[Luminous Animal]

66. And with whom she and bill spend winter holidays.

What Clinton did not mention was that her bond with Kissinger was personal as well as professional, as she and her husband have for years regularly spent their winter holidays with Kissinger and his wife, Nancy, at the beachfront villa of fashion designer Oscar de la Renta, who died in 2014, and his wife, Annette, in the Dominican Republic.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/02/hillary-clinton-kissinger-vacation-dominican-republic-de-la-renta

[Uncle Joe]

67. Hillary did much more than consult with Kissinger, it's personal.

Hillary Clinton and Henry Kissinger: It's Personal. Very Personal.



(snip)

"I happen to believe that Henry Kissinger was one of the most destructive secretaries of state in the modern history of this country," Sanders huffed, adding, "I will not take advice from Henry Kissinger." He referred to the secret bombing of Cambodia during the Vietnam war as a Kissinger-orchestrated move that eventually led to genocide in that country. "So count me in as somebody who will not be listening to Henry Kissinger," Sanders roared. Clinton defended her association with Kissinger by replying, "I listen to a wide variety of voices that have expertise in various areas." She cast her interactions with Kissinger as motivated by her desire to obtain any information that might be useful to craft policy. "People we may disagree with on a number of things may have some insight, may have some relationships that are important for the president to understand in order to best protect the United States," she said.

What Clinton did not mention was that her bond with Kissinger was personal as well as professional, as she and her husband have for years regularly spent their winter holidays with Kissinger and his wife, Nancy, at the beachfront villa of fashion designer Oscar de la Renta, who died in 2014, and his wife, Annette, in the Dominican Republic.

This campaign tussle over Kissinger began a week earlier, at a previous debate, when Clinton, looking to boost her résumé, said, "I was very flattered when Henry Kissinger said I ran the State Department better than anybody had run it in a long time. So I have an idea about what it's going to take to make our government work more efficiently." A few days later, Bill Clinton, while campaigning for his wife in New Hampshire, told a crowd of her supporters, "Henry Kissinger, of all people, said she ran the State Department better and got more out of the personnel at the State Department than any secretary of state in decades, and it's true." His audience of Democrats clapped loudly in response.

(snip)

This campaign tussle over Kissinger began a week earlier, at a previous debate, when Clinton, looking to boost her résumé, said, "I was very flattered when Henry Kissinger said I ran the State Department better than anybody had run it in a long time. So I have an idea about what it's going to take to make our government work more efficiently." A few days later, Bill Clinton, while campaigning for his wife in New Hampshire, told a crowd of her supporters, "Henry Kissinger, of all people, said she ran the State Department better and got more out of the personnel at the State Department than any secretary of state in decades, and it's true." His audience of Democrats clapped loudly in response.

(snip)

The Clinton campaign did not respond to a request for comment. Neither did Henry Kissinger or Annette de la Renta.

When awarding herself the Kissinger seal of approval to bolster her standing as a competent diplomat and government official, Hillary Clinton has not referred to the annual hobnobbing at the de la Renta villa. So when Sanders criticized Clinton for playing the Kissinger card—"not my kind of guy," he declared—whether he realized it or not, he was hitting very close to home.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/02/hillary-clinton-kissinger-vacation-dominican-republic-de-la-renta

[great white snark]

62. I'm sure they know but they also know what will get them pats on the back and recs.

"Goldwater Girl" is good as...well...gold.

[livetohike]

77. They repeat it because the truth is too hard to comprehend. Gee what was Bernie doing in his high

school years? He hasn't been scrutinized nearly enough.

[Tanuki]

90. At this point, it's all they've got. That and New Hampshire.

Imagine their bitterness after the SC primary and SuperTuesday.

[Bluenorthwest]

73. It's fun to watch the Jonathan Capehart 1960's Gossip Defense Club toss Van Jones under their

Range Rover so shortly after having insisted that one's youthful political efforts were hugely important and in need of dissection if not a Independent Investigator because Bruce Rappaport's ex wife said so. Shameless crowd they are indeed.

[PeterGM]

74. I'm a Sanders supporter and I think this is irrelevant.

A 16 yo. is much more likely to reflect the political views of the environment that person grew up in... Clinton comes from a rich white family so no surprise that they might have been Goldwater supporters... She did grow up and become more reasonable... The fact that Sanders got it right from the start is a plus for him, not a negative for Clinton...
What is much more disturbing are Clinton's views as a grown woman which reflect her subconscious (at least i hope it is) racism, such as her comment on super predators in 94 or hard working Americans, white Americans in '08, that is some disturbing stuff.
As a Sanders supporter I really hope people stop using what Clinton said or did as a minor and focus on what she has done as an adult and start asking the right questions: how much do people "evolve" ideologically when they're 50+ years old? not 16...

[TIME TO PANIC]

108. Exactly, we should focus on what she believes now, not what she believed 50 years ago. n/t

[Trajan]

151. I'm a Sanders supporter, and I disagree with you

You don't have to do a thing ... Let others fight that battle if it doesn't interest you ...

We think it's relevant...

[PeterGM]

171. Ok, just a warning...

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If you think that if actions committed ed as a minor are fair game, then anything is fair game. And that is a can of worms you should be careful about opening.

[NurseJackie]

79. This neither helps nor hurts. Bernie STILL will not be the nominee.

[NWCorona]

81. Hate to break it to you but I don't think Hillary will be the nominee

[NurseJackie]

83. Okay.

[AtheistCrusader]

98. I think you may be right.

But not in a good way. It'll be because of people like you and the utter splintering of our own party.

[Kang Colby]

99. Van Jones? A nutty truther who Obama kicked to the curb.

In other words, who cares?

[NWCorona]

107. Evidently enough people care for them to do a story on it

[riversedge]

104. Posting RW sourses on DU is shameful

[NWCorona]

109. You can kill the messenger if you want

But that doesn't change the embedded video in the link.

[Merryland]

110. this is great - thanks for posting!

[GoneOffShore]

113. What does he mean, was? She's still pushing Goldwaterite ideas.

[Thinkingabout]

115. Good post, thanks for the link, Van Jones said Bernie Sanders was working on

Civil Rights in the 60's, what about the years since then?

[NWCorona]

132. Well the civil rights movement ended in 68

But to say that he gave up is a bit disingenuous. He was infact the ONLY white senator to show up in 2000 when the CBC sent out an SOS in Florida. Clinton was a no show.

[Thinkingabout]

143. Actually the issues are not in the past, they are still occurring today, why do you think the all

the issues have been resolved? I just want to know what he did after the 60's in relationship to civil rights issues.

[bravenak]

117. So what? She was a kid he was a grown man

[NWCorona]

126. Hillary didn't convert until 68

She was far from being a kid.

[bravenak]

127. How old was she? Voting age was 21

[NWCorona]

133. Bernie was putting in work long before he could vote

and he was working for us not someone trying to move us to the back of the bus.

[bravenak]

135. Like what? What did he do for civil rights in High School?

[NWCorona]

137. Come on, there's a few years in between after HS and when you turn 21

[bravenak]

138. Yeah. College

But she was in HS. Comparing a grown man and a HS kid dont fly. So, at the age she was for AUH2O, what was he doing for civil rights?

[NWCorona]

141. Again, lets circle back.

Hillary didn't convert until college so you are making a moot point.

[bravenak]

144. And he did nothing UNTIL college.

If you account for the time frame, they started at a similar age in activism.

[NWCorona]

145. As apposed to working for a segregationist that wanted to take away your rights.

[bravenak]

147. So? She was a kid.

[NWCorona]

148. Didn't you just fault Bernie for not doing anything until

College? You can't have it both ways.

[bravenak]

150. No. I SAID he did what he did or not.

Just like her. Until college BOTH were not doing anything much for civil rights. She started at the same AGE he did by getting her dorms unsegregated to share a room with Grant Hill's mother.

[NWCorona]

152. "Until college BOTH were not doing anything much for civil rights"

Again she was a goldwater girl and was working against civil rights.

[bravenak]

155. And Meeting MLK....

[NWCorona]

157. And after meeting MLK Hillary still went on to become a goldwater girl.

[bravenak]

158. While he was just on the track team

He spent a few years at civil rights before returing from that activism. She has done much in the intervening years to make up for that. I was doing forties and blunts at that age. She was better than I even if wrong. She changed. I do not care about what she did a 17, even if she was a prolife republican that believed in segregation. As long as she changed I'm good. I changed. I dont hang with gangs no more. I do not want to be defined by my seventeen year old hood bangin self doing rumbles and running from drive bys. That was then. Who am I now? Thats what matter most. She corrected herself just as I did.

[NWCorona]

161. But to say she was just a kid is wrong.

Her and Bill gave zero fucks locking up people younger than 16 for life. If you want to give her a pass so be it but not me. She probably would have called you a superpredator lol! Besides her record after the conversion isn't that great anyway.

[bravenak]

163. She gets a pass from me all day

If she is defined by her teenage self, I may as well go back to putting in work and hittin licks.

[NWCorona]

164. And you are entitled to feel that way.

[The Green Manalishi]

131. I'd like to see him on the SCOTUS EOM

[Metric System]

139. The voting age was 21 back then so she couldn't even vote.

[senz]

166. But she never did anything for PoC afterwards, either.

[Enthusiast]

140. K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations!

Well, it should.

[senz]

165. Bernie's activism for PoC started in high school.

http://time.com/3896500/bernie-sanders-vermont-campaign-radical/

[Petrushka]

169. Eye-opening article. Thank you for the link. I'll post it on my Facebook page.

[Betty Karlson]

172. Van Jones probably remembers the bus Third Way threw him under - back in 2009?

Great to have his intellect on the right side once again. True Democrat and true progressive.

[Hekate]

173. What were you doing/thinking when you were 16? Did you change your mind about anything...

....once you went off to college? Were all your opinions set in concrete by the time you left high school? Was there nothing more for you to learn about the world by age 18 or 20?

My my my, what godlike powers of perception Van Jones and the other harsh critics of the onetime Goldwater Girl must have had at such a tender age themselves.

A few years can make an incredible difference between the teens and 20s. In 1964 Bernie Sanders was a grown man of 23 or 24, not a 16 year old schoolgirl.

By the time Hillary turned 21 and was able to register to vote, she was ready to work for the presidential campaign of Democratic Senator Eugene MCarthy, and she has been an active Democrat the rest of her life.

[NWCorona]

175. I really don't understand the point you are making.

She changed? Yeah, I get that but that doesn't change the fact that she was a goldwater girl that pushed a segregationist platform. It's not like she was 10 or something.

[senz]

174. Bernie has fought for Civil Rights HIS ENTIRE LIFE.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/20-examples-bernie-sanders-powerful-record-civil-and-human-rights-1950s

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511324268

[Hekate]

177. From what age? Birth? Elementary school? Jr Hi? High school? College?

The first we really hear of him being compared to Hillary Rodham, she is a 16 or 17 year old schoolgirl and he is a grown man of 23 or 24.

Voting age was 21, age of majority was also 21, she had not even left her parents' home yet.

By the time Hillary Rodham was legal to register to vote and to vote, she was a DEMOCRAT and embarking on a life of activism on behalf of liberal causes.

Well, bully for Bernie Sanders getting a head start on Hillary Rodham. Being born several years earlier will do that for a guy.

[senz]

178. He started in high school. Then college, then the rest of his life.

Check it out here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511324268

Your candidate does not even come close. Surely you know that.

[bvar22]

176. I am still pissed about how quickly (and I mean QUICKLY)...

Obama and the Dem Establishment threw Van Jones in the dumpster because the Republicans were whining.

[NWCorona]

183. Agreed!

Unfortunately Obama has a tendency to shed anybody who could come off as an angry black man. It's sad as Van was one of the ones I was excited about.

[dr60omg]

181. Van Jones is correct he was getting arrested while she was

playing Goldwater girl. She is pure DLC making the Democratic party into a corporate party rather than one that stands for and about the people.