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hill2016

(1,772 posts)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:45 PM Feb 2016

Sanders gives up on six Super Tuesday states: Virginia,Georgia,Texas,Alabama,Arkansas, Tennessees

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-nevada-republican-caucuses-trailguide-02232016-htmlstory.html#3233

But Sanders is so far spending nothing on television in two of the biggest states that vote on March 1, Virginia and Georgia, and only a token amount in Texas. He's also not on the air in Alabama, Arkansas or Tennessee. Clinton and the super PAC allied with her, Priorities USA, is advertising in all six.
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Sanders gives up on six Super Tuesday states: Virginia,Georgia,Texas,Alabama,Arkansas, Tennessees (Original Post) hill2016 Feb 2016 OP
I've never doubted his intelligence. Obviously he sees the same things we do. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #1
Exactly, perfect comment! R B Garr Feb 2016 #38
He just held a rally in Virginia today n/t HerbChestnut Feb 2016 #2
"Holding a rally" and "giving up" are the same thing now. arcane1 Feb 2016 #4
and maybe not spending $$$ as others do??? elleng Feb 2016 #6
When did this campaign... daleanime Feb 2016 #32
A HUGE rally, with energized supporters! Qutzupalotl Feb 2016 #12
My daughter was at the Norfolk rally 1939 Feb 2016 #35
I think this is a fair assessment. Stand and Fight Mar 2016 #125
Yes, Trump certainly doesn't pay for his notoriety. 1939 Mar 2016 #128
I think that's because of their notoriety and their stances. Stand and Fight Mar 2016 #131
I don't think it is an unfair comparison 1939 Mar 2016 #134
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Feb 2016 #3
He's doing plenty in those states. Buying tv ads isn't everything. arcane1 Feb 2016 #11
It isn't everything but he ran A LOT of ads in NH and started running ads in MA a good 10 days seaglass Feb 2016 #99
Not running ads doesn't mean he is not engaging those states. TM99 Feb 2016 #13
Exactly Carolina Feb 2016 #89
It's Sanders' math. We've all seen his economic proposals! Kang Colby Feb 2016 #21
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #44
Okie Dokie. Kang Colby Feb 2016 #59
And he'll get 40% of the vote no matter what he does... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #29
Bernie has to concentrate all his energy workinclasszero Feb 2016 #30
Perfect user name you have there. HERVEPA Feb 2016 #45
Thanks I like it too workinclasszero Feb 2016 #49
John Lennon, the author of "Working Class Hero" panader0 Feb 2016 #61
What exactly does your snarky (veiled insult) accomplish? Stand and Fight Mar 2016 #127
But...but...but...Ben & Jerry's....LOL eom Kang Colby Feb 2016 #62
Because it is proportional allocation. morningfog Feb 2016 #67
even more reason for him to focus on Super Tuesday - cherry pick a few more delegates DrDan Feb 2016 #106
He's focusing on adding delegates where he is already doing well. morningfog Feb 2016 #109
delegate are delegates - regardless of their origin DrDan Feb 2016 #110
Duh. You missed the point. He is more likely to add delegates morningfog Feb 2016 #111
I understood perfectly -do you not understand the impact of him writing off certain states DrDan Feb 2016 #112
He's got to pick his battles and spend resources wisely. morningfog Feb 2016 #113
I agree with that - I just question how "wise" this is DrDan Feb 2016 #114
Time will tell. It's all uphill for him and has been since he announced. morningfog Feb 2016 #115
His entire governing strategy is building a political Tsunami of people Yavin4 Feb 2016 #5
He has written nothing off. That's a lie, and you are perpetuation it. arcane1 Feb 2016 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Feb 2016 #20
With the exception of Texas, all of those have AA populations >15%...and they are front loaded hoosierlib Feb 2016 #33
That's just sad. NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #55
Remember that when the criminal referral comes...its a matter of time... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #57
Yeah, sure. NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #58
I'll PM you when it happens ;) hoosierlib Feb 2016 #60
I'm sure you would. NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #63
Colin Powell confirms Hillary Clinton is in the clear on her email Gothmog Feb 2016 #79
He used a secure network, she didn't... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #95
You are wrong again Gothmog Feb 2016 #108
Lol...you are so confused and uninformed... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #117
says the war criminal Carolina Feb 2016 #97
Yep, the "Top Secret" Emails Were All About Drones Gothmog Feb 2016 #77
not hoping Carolina Feb 2016 #96
ANALYSIS: No, Hillary Clinton Did Not Commit a Crime ... at Least Based on What We Know Today Gothmog Feb 2016 #76
Great info. Thanks for posting. oasis Feb 2016 #80
Trump's hope for an indictment are really sad but funny Gothmog Feb 2016 #81
Yessir. oasis Feb 2016 #83
Storage of classified on a unsecured network is a crime... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #93
No it is not Gothmog Feb 2016 #105
Not to mention Carolina Feb 2016 #91
Thank you for your support... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #94
The delegates from red states get to vote on the nominee at the national convention Gothmog Mar 2016 #124
The fact is, states which the Democrats rarely or never win John Poet Feb 2016 #71
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Feb 2016 #72
I think we need to take a look at those states in the polls before we dismiss why he isn't running trillion Feb 2016 #85
The best was the dude who said they shouldn't count toward the nomination because... alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #103
I'd say that's proof of a failed strategy eh? workinclasszero Feb 2016 #43
Well, *some* people just won't listen to reason, you know... alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #102
Sounds good to me. If he wants to bail on states with 500+ delegates, let him. Persondem Feb 2016 #7
So he isn't running expensive ads TM99 Feb 2016 #8
Just more lies from the Clinton Crew. TV ads are now the ONLY valid method, it seems. arcane1 Feb 2016 #14
It is the campaign strategy meme of the week. TM99 Feb 2016 #15
They want him to drop out SO BADLY they will say or do ANYTHING to make it happen. arcane1 Feb 2016 #18
Yes, they fucking will. TM99 Feb 2016 #27
I like to kick another 10 bucks to his campaign every time they do that. arcane1 Feb 2016 #28
Article is from the LA times. riversedge Feb 2016 #37
Facts don't mean a thing to the Bernie revolution workinclasszero Feb 2016 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Feb 2016 #54
Who actually watches them? Kittycat Feb 2016 #88
Of course that is not true for the majority. Bernie and Hillary invested a lot in ads for NH. seaglass Feb 2016 #100
I don't dispute radio, but TV - eh. Kittycat Feb 2016 #118
Do you think people DVR the local news? I doubt it. No idea if ad money is spent during prime time seaglass Feb 2016 #119
Exactly. bvf Feb 2016 #24
Remember when Hillary doubled down in New Hampshire and then lost by 22%? Sanders is smart enough to Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #9
It's easier with SuperPACs! We know that and you know that. thereismore Feb 2016 #10
Bernie isn't buying into the traditional tv markets. Gosh. It has SO hurt his campaign thus far, LOL peacebird Feb 2016 #16
Again, not true. We were bombarded with ads leading up to the NH primary. They are obviously seaglass Feb 2016 #101
As someone who is working hard SheenaR Feb 2016 #19
You better call up the LA Times and dispute their story workinclasszero Feb 2016 #47
I was hoping for a contest in Texas Gothmog Feb 2016 #22
Probably trying to conserve his cash for the long haul. DCBob Feb 2016 #23
Hard to stretch those $27 donations he's been bragging about. oasis Feb 2016 #87
Hard reality setting in....nt SidDithers Feb 2016 #25
Slowly but surely workinclasszero Feb 2016 #48
Bernies campaign strategy.... workinclasszero Feb 2016 #26
Who needs advertisements or network TV? DamnYankeeInHouston Feb 2016 #31
Do you believe Priorities USA is independent and its donors have no influence on Hillary Clinton? NT Eric J in MN Feb 2016 #34
Predictably Spreading Establishment FUD - Meme Number 141 cantbeserious Feb 2016 #36
Propagandists shilling for Shill BostonBob Feb 2016 #39
Exactly, and the more HRC and/or her surrogates Carolina Feb 2016 #98
What is the definition of giving up? angrychair Feb 2016 #40
Whatever that poster can pull out of his butt. nt nc4bo Feb 2016 #41
No lie is too ridiculous for the Clinton Crew. n/t arcane1 Feb 2016 #51
He was just at Morehouse College here in ATL. Lines around the corner. YOHABLO Feb 2016 #52
In Tulsa tomorrow evening, Baldwin-Wallace Univ near Cleveland OH on Thursday. kath Feb 2016 #70
Add some endorsements from lawmakers in South Carolina to your list ---> Petrushka Feb 2016 #116
Who is Sander? RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #42
This is the LA times another Corporate Mafia owned paper and INdemo Feb 2016 #50
What's Sander Levin (D-MI) got to do with Bernie Sanders? k8conant Feb 2016 #53
Please have no fear dr60omg Feb 2016 #56
All but one essentially certain to go red in November. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #64
Just because OkSustainAg Feb 2016 #65
No he hasn't AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #66
Oh hooray, Clinton + Clinton PACs have more money! JackRiddler Feb 2016 #68
Umm no. Bernie hasn't given up in Texas. A lot of us are working hard right now. Avalux Feb 2016 #69
Super Tuesday was originally intended to be a firewall against very liberal candidates AZ Progressive Feb 2016 #73
I see: a campaign in multiple States across the Country is a "firewall" brooklynite Feb 2016 #90
That's a mistake, IMO: he needs either VA or AR Recursion Feb 2016 #74
I was hoping for a fight in Texas Gothmog Feb 2016 #75
He laid out big bucks in Nevada and did not get a great return, money spent and not Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #78
Lol lancer78 Feb 2016 #82
Red states... SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #84
You wish. Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #86
Whatever. quaker bill Feb 2016 #92
Nice broad brush. I'm one of those "H" people and I don't agree with the premise of this post. Stand and Fight Mar 2016 #132
the Sanders camp doesn't know what they are doing!! OH NOES!! damn... islandmkl Feb 2016 #104
I love the gloating on this thread. Vinca Feb 2016 #107
but hill2016 Feb 2016 #122
Bernie's the only person creating any excitement on the left. Vinca Feb 2016 #123
He's not made of money. Orsino Feb 2016 #120
Gee that's odd, my daughter was calling Arkansas for him last night. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2016 #121
I pointed this out last week taught_me_patience Mar 2016 #126
I viewed two of his commercials on CNN last night here in Nashville. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #129
Given the number of people showing up at his rallies... Stand and Fight Mar 2016 #130
I agree that he is ceding AL, AR, GA and TN datguy_6 Mar 2016 #133

1939

(1,683 posts)
35. My daughter was at the Norfolk rally
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:13 PM
Feb 2016

She said there was a very long line to get in with lots of enthusiasm.

Bernie can't compete with Hillary's bankroll when it comes to TV advertising.and goes for

Stand and Fight

(7,520 posts)
125. I think this is a fair assessment.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:47 PM
Mar 2016

There's more ways than just television ads to connect with voters. In this age of instant communication, I think we sometimes forget the power of an in-person appeal to people.

1939

(1,683 posts)
128. Yes, Trump certainly doesn't pay for his notoriety.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:50 PM
Mar 2016

Jeb Bush and HRC have to spend bundles for what Bernie and The Donald get for free.

Stand and Fight

(7,520 posts)
131. I think that's because of their notoriety and their stances.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:57 PM
Mar 2016

Full disclosure, I'm a Hillary supporter, but I'm also what you guys would call a pragmatist, and I admire Bernie for not blowing through his supporters donations on states he's less competitive in. As I said down thread, it's been reported by The Young Turks that Jeb only got 4 delegates but he spent $29 million on each one. In that way, I don't think it's fair to equate Hillary Clinton and him in that way. She's getting far more bang for her buck! LOL

1939

(1,683 posts)
134. I don't think it is an unfair comparison
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 04:03 PM
Mar 2016

Jeb just got blown away while Bernie didn't have quite the effect on the Hill. The mechanisms are the same.

Response to hill2016 (Original post)

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
11. He's doing plenty in those states. Buying tv ads isn't everything.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:51 PM
Feb 2016

Take a look at the map. Do those states look "written off"?

http://map.berniesanders.com/


seaglass

(8,185 posts)
99. It isn't everything but he ran A LOT of ads in NH and started running ads in MA a good 10 days
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:33 AM
Feb 2016

before Hillary.

I'm sure he is focusing his money where he thinks he can win.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
13. Not running ads doesn't mean he is not engaging those states.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:52 PM
Feb 2016

This is just more moneyed propaganda with this week's meme which is demoralize Sanders supporters so they don't turn out.

I mean, come on, after Super Tuesday and Hillary's YUUUGGE win, it is all over, right?

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
89. Exactly
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 07:50 AM
Feb 2016

not running SLICK ads does not = giving up.

Here is SC, there were no Trump ads or flyers, but plenty of both for Rubio, Cruz and JEB. Who won?
HRC's ads are nauseating and do not change the minds of those who know her record and don't like her. In the past 2 days alone, I have received several nice shiny flyers featuring with her and Obama... torn up and straight to the trash.

Response to Kang Colby (Reply #21)

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
59. Okie Dokie.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:26 PM
Feb 2016


I think that was an incredibly rude comment. Sadly, that has been par for the course from the Sanders crowd.
 

hoosierlib

(710 posts)
29. And he'll get 40% of the vote no matter what he does...
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:10 PM
Feb 2016

Win a few states next Tuesday and live to fight another day...#insurgentlife

panader0

(25,816 posts)
61. John Lennon, the author of "Working Class Hero"
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:27 PM
Feb 2016

would certainly, without a doubt, be a Bernie supporter.
Same goes for Zappa.

Stand and Fight

(7,520 posts)
127. What exactly does your snarky (veiled insult) accomplish?
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:49 PM
Mar 2016

Did you have nothing meaningful to contribute and so you decided upon a bit of mean words instead? What do you hope to accomplish with that kind of pettiness? I'm genuinely curious. I don't get that kind of thing.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
67. Because it is proportional allocation.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:58 PM
Feb 2016

He doesn't have to get 51% in any of those states to get many of those 571 delegates. It's simple. He focuses where he can win and takes a significant portion elsewhere based on the fact they are ties nationally. She'll win more states and likely take more delegates on Super Tuesday. But Hillary will not secure the nomination the. Or even a month from then.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
106. even more reason for him to focus on Super Tuesday - cherry pick a few more delegates
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:07 AM
Feb 2016
 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
109. He's focusing on adding delegates where he is already doing well.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:32 AM
Feb 2016

And those states that are close. Aside from the delegate count, the narrative is shaped by "states won." To keep momentum, he needs several good showings in addition to a sizable chunk of delegates.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
111. Duh. You missed the point. He is more likely to add delegates
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:36 AM
Feb 2016

in a state where he is already doing well than in a state where he is not. Hope that is clearer for you.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
112. I understood perfectly -do you not understand the impact of him writing off certain states
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:41 AM
Feb 2016

it does not portray him as a fighter - and he would still gain a few delegates in the process

this is even worse as he is writing off an entire region

the MSM will not deal with this positively for BS

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
113. He's got to pick his battles and spend resources wisely.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:44 AM
Feb 2016

He is a fighter. A smart fighter who is devoting limited resources for greatest return on delegates.

 

Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
5. His entire governing strategy is building a political Tsunami of people
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:49 PM
Feb 2016

Yet, he's writing off states one by one.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
17. He has written nothing off. That's a lie, and you are perpetuation it.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:54 PM
Feb 2016

Which states are "written off" here:

http://map.berniesanders.com/

Response to Yavin4 (Reply #5)

 

hoosierlib

(710 posts)
33. With the exception of Texas, all of those have AA populations >15%...and they are front loaded
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:12 PM
Feb 2016

Again pick your battles and live to fight another day...who knows, a subpoena or a criminal referral from the FBI could change the entire game...

NanceGreggs

(27,835 posts)
55. That's just sad.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:19 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie can't win on his own merits, and his supporters are reduced to hoping that a major scandal will bring HRC down.

That great "Revolution" is looking more desperate every day.

 

hoosierlib

(710 posts)
57. Remember that when the criminal referral comes...its a matter of time...
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:23 PM
Feb 2016

I just hope its before the nomination is finalized, because if HRC is the nominee, you can kiss the GE goodbye and all of the down ballot races...

NanceGreggs

(27,835 posts)
63. I'm sure you would.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:30 PM
Feb 2016

But it ain't gonna happen.

Like I said, this is what BS's campaign is down to - hoping that something knocks HRC out of the race, because they know he can't win on his own merits.

Sad.

Gothmog

(179,847 posts)
79. Colin Powell confirms Hillary Clinton is in the clear on her email
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:52 AM
Feb 2016

Will you also remember to PM or e-mail Collin Powell. He will be very surprised by this event and will need to get his own attorney
http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/colin-powell-says-hillary-clintons-email-is-a-non-issue/23756/


Now that former Secretary of State Colin Powell has been dragged into the same private server email controversy that’s been thrown at Hillary Clinton for the past six months, he’s weighing in on the matter decisively. Powell is being accused of having sent emails that contained classified information from his own private server while he was in office, and he’s making clear that any retroactive reclassification is a non-issue. In so doing, he’s also absolving Clinton in the matter.

Colin Powell is now calling on his own emails to be released to the public so it can be clearly seen by all that he didn’t reveal any information which was classified at the time, and that his emails were harmless. “I wish they would release them so that a normal, air-breathing mammal would look at them and say, ‘What’s the issue?'” He also stated he believes the emails in question are still not classified, despite any retroactive reclassification.

Powell didn’t mention Clinton by name, but he didn’t have to. By stating his own emails that weren’t classified at the time are a non-issue, he’s also labeling Clinton’s emails that weren’t classified at the time as a non-issue. This is key because Powell is not only widely respected, he’s a republican. This weakens the arguments being made by some republicans that Clinton has done something wrong with her emails, because she’s now being absolved by one of the most respected republicans out there. NBC has more on the story.

Powell will want to know about this so-called indictment

 

hoosierlib

(710 posts)
95. He used a secure network, she didn't...
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:06 AM
Feb 2016

Don't worry, the distinction will be laid out in the criminal referral...

Gothmog

(179,847 posts)
108. You are wrong again
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:08 AM
Feb 2016

The issue is that none of the so-called e-mails were actually secret and should not be classified.

Hillary will not be indicted unless Collin Powell is also indicted. That is not going to happen

 

hoosierlib

(710 posts)
117. Lol...you are so confused and uninformed...
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 11:29 AM
Feb 2016

Powell received two e-mails that were not marked classified that contained classified material, but not secret or higher and the e-mails were stored on a secure server. Additionly, this occurred during the time period from 2001 - 2005 which was prior to Executive Order 13526 (signed in 2009) which set in place new rules governing how to properly handle and protect classified information.

Hillary's server has at least 1,200 emails that contain classified information, many at the top secret and at least 22 that are above top secret (SAP or Special Access Program). While none of the e-mails appear to labeled as being classified, their very existance and storage on an unsecured sever is a huge violation of EO 13526.

Huge difference...

Gothmog

(179,847 posts)
77. Yep, the "Top Secret" Emails Were All About Drones
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:44 AM
Feb 2016

The so-called "Top Secret" emails were all about NYT stories concerning drones and were in the public domain http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/02/yep-top-secret-emails-were-all-about-drones

So just what was in those "top secret" emails that Hillary Clinton received on her personal email server while she was Secretary of State? The New York Times reports what everyone has already figured out: they were about drones. What's more, the question of whether they contain anything that's actually sensitive is mostly just a spat between CIA and State:

Some of the nation’s intelligence agencies raised alarms last spring as the State Department began releasing emails from Hillary Clinton’s private server, saying that a number of the messages contained information that should be classified “top secret.”

The diplomats saw things differently and pushed back at the spies. In the months since, a battle has played out between the State Department and the intelligence agencies.

....Several officials said that at least one of the emails contained oblique references to C.I.A. operatives. One of the messages has been given a designation of “HCS-O” — indicating that the information was derived from human intelligence sources...The government officials said that discussions in an email thread about a New York Times article — the officials did not say which article — contained sensitive information about the intelligence surrounding the C.I.A.’s drone activities, particularly in Pakistan.

The whole piece is worth reading for the details, but the bottom line is pretty simple: there's no there there. At most, there's a minuscule amount of slightly questionable reporting that was sent via email—a common practice since pretty much forever. Mostly, though, it seems to be a case of the CIA trying to bully State and win some kind of obscure pissing contest over whether they're sufficiently careful with the nation's secrets.

It is not against the law to read and talk about articles in NYT. Your wait for an indictment may be a very long one.

Heck even Trump has given up an indictment

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
96. not hoping
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:11 AM
Feb 2016

knowing. She's scandal-plagued because she's a liar. Repukes will go after her with relentlessness on steroids. If you think their efforts to get ANYTHING on Bill throughout his presidency were bad, you ain't seen nothing yet. Now, they have years of additional material and the aid of the internet with its reams of video footage showing HRC's lies (Bosnia) and ever changing positions (with the political winds). All they have to do is paint her as untrustworthy which a lot of people (repukes, indies and even Dems) already believe and she's a LOSER.

And btw, what are her merits????

She is part of the Clinton legacy (the two for one, 8 of her claimed years of experience): DLC, NAFTA, Telecommunications Bill of 1996, Welfare Reform (not), and overturning Glass-Steagall. She and Bill kept Alan Greenspan at the Fed, placed the then Mr. Goldman Sucks himself Robert Reuben as head of Treasury and hired as financial advisor that abominable Wall Streeter Larry Summers (who lost a $billion from Harvard's endowment!). And those three wrecked the economy:



But we, the people (the little people, lots of women), reaped the whirlwind of that 1999 Commodities Modernization Act which ended Glass-Steagall and for which every repuke in the Senate voted AYE while every Dem -- save one -- voted NAY. Bill signed it into law anyway, paying no heed to the canary-in-the-mine Dems who said that this dastardly new law would lead to disaster 10 years hence. Sure enough it did, harming women and families throughout the land. And Wall Street, Hillary's BFF, her funding cabal, continues to be such a benefactor for women!

In the Senate, what did she DO? What legislation or amendments to legislation illustrate her initiative or activism on behalf of women (her favorite constituency, minorities (her alleged firewall) and children. The aye votes for IWR, the Patriot Act and Bush's Bankruptcy bill sure were a big help to us all

Then there was her abysmal management and nasty conduct during the 2008 primary campaign. She had the money, she had the name, she was entitled, she was "in it to win it" and so arrogant that she claimed it would be over by Super Tuesday. But when it wasn't and she was losing, she resorted to the gutter. She praised McCain and derided Obama as someone who only gave pretty speeches. And when the Party urged her to bow out gracefully, she said that she was going to stay in the race through the CA primary because "you never know... remember Bobby Kennedy..." Her insinuation (a veiled wish?) that Obama might be assassinated like RFK was beyond classless and tasteless. It was evil (google Keith Olbermann on that atrocity). And when she finally, gracelessly bowed out, she did so on condition that the Obama organization and DNC pay off her campaign debt. Some management skills, just like her Wall Street benefactors who f--- things up, then expect others to pay for the disaster created.

As SOS, she was also terrible. Honduras, Libya and Syria are a mess. But HRC, the consummate pro-MIC corporatist, never saw a war she didn't like. And last I checked, war is not good for women, children or men!


This is HRC's history, so please tell me, what she has DONE that is positive or constructive? What is this record she always harkens back to in her me, me, me, mine, mine, mine debate responses? What are her alleged merits? She's in it for herself, she plays sexist gender politics, she lies about her alleged record, she changes her mind with the political winds, she panders, she pads her pockets, and she is a third way triangulator to her core.

Gothmog

(179,847 posts)
76. ANALYSIS: No, Hillary Clinton Did Not Commit a Crime ... at Least Based on What We Know Today
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:43 AM
Feb 2016

There was not crime committed here. Dan Abrams (son of Floyd Abrams) has some good analysis here http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/analysis-hillary-clinton-commit-crime-based-today/story?id=36626499

In the Wall Street Journal, Judge Michael Mukasey seems to be arguing that because this all just feels wrong and even criminal-y, Clinton should at least be charged with a misdemeanor. That is, of course, not how the law can or should work. In fact, Judge Mukasey learned the hard way that misstating the law when discussing the case against Clinton can be hazardous. Judge Mukasey also echoed the conservative talking point that the case against Clinton is eerily similar to the charges against former general David Petraeus: "This is the same charge brought against Gen. David Petraeus for disclosing classified information in his personal notebooks to his biographer and mistress, who was herself an Army Reserve military intelligence officer cleared to see top secret information." Except that it is nothing like that case. Apart from the possible charge, there are actually few or no similarities from a factual perspective as the lead prosecutor in the Petreaus case explained in an op-ed in USA Today:

"During his tenure as the commander of the International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan, Petraeus recorded handwritten notes in personal journals, including information he knew was classified at the very highest level. . .

Both the law and his oath required Petraeus to mark these books as 'top secret' and to store them in a Secured Compartmented Information Facility. He did neither. Rather, Petraeus allowed his biographer to take possession of the journals in order to use them as source material for his biography.

Importantly, Petraeus was well aware of the classified contents in his journals, saying to his biographer, Paula Broadwell on tape, 'I mean, they are highly classified, some of them. They don't have it on it, but I mean there's code word stuff in there.' When questioned by the FBI, Petraeus lied to agents in responding that he had neither improperly stored nor improperly provided classified information to his biographer. Petraeus knew at that time that there was classified information in the journals, and he knew they were stored improperly."

In the law, intent can be everything. Petraeus clearly knew he was violating the law, but based on what we know today, there is no evidence - not suppositions or partisan allegations but actual evidence - that Clinton knew that using a private email server was criminal or even improper at the time. Even assuming for argument's sake she created the server to keep her emails out of the public eye, that is in no way remotely comparable to the Petraeus case. Efforts to contrast the two cases fall flat factually and legally....

To be clear, none of this means Clinton won't be charged. There may be a trove of non-public evidence against her about which we simply do not know. It's also possible that the FBI recommends charges and federal prosecutors decide not to move forward as occurs in many cases. No question, that could create an explosive and politicized showdown. But based on what we do know from what has been made public, there doesn't seem to be a legitimate basis for any sort of criminal charge against her. I fear many commentators are allowing their analysis to become clouded by a long standing distrust, or even hatred of Hillary Clinton.

Dan is a good lawyer and this is a good analysis of the law on this issue

Gothmog

(179,847 posts)
81. Trump's hope for an indictment are really sad but funny
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 01:58 AM
Feb 2016

The only way for the GOP to keep Clinton from being the nominee and winning the general election is an indictment and that indictment is not going to happen

Gothmog

(179,847 posts)
105. No it is not
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:06 AM
Feb 2016

Even Trump (who is a complete idiot) no longer believes that Hillary will be indicted

Your claim is simply false

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
91. Not to mention
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 07:56 AM
Feb 2016

if AAs carry the day for HRC in the southern primaries, it means squat because the south will go red in the general.

And I say that as an AA in SC who's among many planning to vote for Bernie on Saturday.

Gothmog

(179,847 posts)
124. The delegates from red states get to vote on the nominee at the national convention
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:41 PM
Mar 2016

The DNC does not care if a delegate is from a red state or blue state. Each such delegate gets to vote and after Super Tuesday, Sanders will be so far behind that he will have no chance of catching up

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
71. The fact is, states which the Democrats rarely or never win
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 10:11 PM
Feb 2016

in presidential elections, have proportionately somewhat less delegates than the states where Democrats win more often.

So the fact is, those former Confederate states where the Democratic candidate rarely or never wins, receive less delegate votes for the same amount of voters, than California or New York, for instance.

I don't know the exact formula, it's been a while since I looked at the delegate allocation rules.


Response to John Poet (Reply #71)

 

trillion

(1,859 posts)
85. I think we need to take a look at those states in the polls before we dismiss why he isn't running
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:55 AM
Feb 2016

tv ads there.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
103. The best was the dude who said they shouldn't count toward the nomination because...
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:47 AM
Feb 2016

...they're unlikely to go Dem in the general!

Can you imagine the frustration and temper tantrum that gets you to that logic?



Persondem

(2,101 posts)
7. Sounds good to me. If he wants to bail on states with 500+ delegates, let him.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:50 PM
Feb 2016

Means more for Clinton. K & R

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
8. So he isn't running expensive ads
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:50 PM
Feb 2016

and that means he is giving up those states?

There are many more grassroots style approaches when your budget comes from the people. I expect rallies, phone banking, etc.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
14. Just more lies from the Clinton Crew. TV ads are now the ONLY valid method, it seems.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:52 PM
Feb 2016

They'll say literally anything at this point.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
15. It is the campaign strategy meme of the week.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:53 PM
Feb 2016

It is all over Sanders especially after Nevada and soon Super Tuesday.

It isn't really. And Sanders has already stated we are going to the convention. He isn't dropping out. And it is wise to pick your battles when you don't have a DNC SuperPAC collusion war chest and Wall Street donors.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
18. They want him to drop out SO BADLY they will say or do ANYTHING to make it happen.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:55 PM
Feb 2016
 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
27. Yes, they fucking will.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:08 PM
Feb 2016

And the more they try, the more we get pissed off, and the more we support him in the real ways that count.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
28. I like to kick another 10 bucks to his campaign every time they do that.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:09 PM
Feb 2016

It pisses them off

Response to arcane1 (Reply #14)

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
88. Who actually watches them?
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 07:42 AM
Feb 2016

I dvr almost everything. I'll watch an ad online, by choice, but I've yet to see one as a commercial break. I don't have a home phone, only cell. So I don't get political calls. All junk mail, including political, is bypassed and trashed. Why do people put so much importance on them? It's a different age and there are different methods of teaching people. Ads circulate online better than via cable, anyway. Particularly web based ads, social media, etc.

seaglass

(8,185 posts)
100. Of course that is not true for the majority. Bernie and Hillary invested a lot in ads for NH.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:38 AM
Feb 2016

If you watch or listen to the local news in the morning and evening which many people still do, every commercial break had an ad. It does make a difference otherwise they wouldn't spend the money.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
118. I don't dispute radio, but TV - eh.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 11:59 AM
Feb 2016

Again, people have busy lives. They DVR their shows. Advertising online is more effective. You can make a tv type spot, never air it on cable, and get better traction than you would in a limited media market through target online ad buys. It's the digital age.

http://www.epipheo.com/blog/in-60-seconds-digital-video-ads-vs-tv-spots-research/

seaglass

(8,185 posts)
119. Do you think people DVR the local news? I doubt it. No idea if ad money is spent during prime time
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:36 PM
Feb 2016

as I would agree if there is TV watching to be done there are all sorts of methods of doing it without ads including streaming and cable in addition to DVR. Campaigns I am sure do a cost/benefit analysis and determine if they are going to pay for TV ads and what time of day is the optimum time to play them. They wouldn't spend the money on them unless they were getting a return.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
24. Exactly.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:06 PM
Feb 2016

Anyone who doesn't see this may just as well be asking, "How much does a delegate cost?" without the slightest sense of irony.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
9. Remember when Hillary doubled down in New Hampshire and then lost by 22%? Sanders is smart enough to
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:50 PM
Feb 2016

focus his efforts outside of the Confederate deep red Republican states that have not always been as kind to liberal Jews as they have been to someone like the first lady of Arkansas who helped build WalMart into the global giant it is today.

He's not an idiot and Democrats aren't going to carry the Deep South in the general election so bravo on Sanders for a wise tactical decision!

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
16. Bernie isn't buying into the traditional tv markets. Gosh. It has SO hurt his campaign thus far, LOL
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:54 PM
Feb 2016

He is using his money wisely and is continuing his massive internet outreach. It has propelled him from 3% to neck & neck with her highness. Color me not too worried about how Bernie campaigns.

seaglass

(8,185 posts)
101. Again, not true. We were bombarded with ads leading up to the NH primary. They are obviously
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:43 AM
Feb 2016

effective. Bernie has been running ads in MA and started back up a good 10 days before Hillary. It is much more low key though, I don't know if the thinking is that we just got saturated with ads last month so not as many are needed now or as we get closer to the primary the intensity will increase. In any case I'm sure he is focusing money/ads where it will have the most impact.

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
19. As someone who is working hard
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:55 PM
Feb 2016

To GOTV in two of those states, it's news to us that we have given up.

But why provide a truthful headline.

$$ spent on ads does not equate giving up.

SC, GA, AL, TN, AR? I'll give you those as surefire wins. Tennessee reluctantly as we have some great folks working hard there.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
23. Probably trying to conserve his cash for the long haul.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:00 PM
Feb 2016

I suspect he and his campaign know he cant win but he wants to go all the way to the convention so he will need money to pay his staff and travel and such for the next several months.

oasis

(53,692 posts)
87. Hard to stretch those $27 donations he's been bragging about.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 06:55 AM
Feb 2016

He refused Super PAC dough, which is admirable, but I hope he doesn't have to share a cab ride to the Dem convention.

Eric J in MN

(35,639 posts)
34. Do you believe Priorities USA is independent and its donors have no influence on Hillary Clinton? NT
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:13 PM
Feb 2016

NT

 

BostonBob

(18 posts)
39. Propagandists shilling for Shill
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:20 PM
Feb 2016

What do we need to say to demoralize Bernie's supporters? The truth is irrelevant. All hail Queen Shill and the bipartisan gravy train of corruption. Down with idealism and honesty.

angrychair

(12,281 posts)
40. What is the definition of giving up?
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:21 PM
Feb 2016

Holding an event in Norfolk, VA today?
He was just in Alabama a couple of weeks ago.
He just picked up several new endorsements in Texas
Offices door knocking in Athens, GA his week
He just opened a new campaign office in Tennessee
He has had an active campaign office in Little Rock, Arkansas since November

So I hardly see this as "giving up"

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
52. He was just at Morehouse College here in ATL. Lines around the corner.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:57 PM
Feb 2016

So whatz up with that dude?

kath

(10,565 posts)
70. In Tulsa tomorrow evening, Baldwin-Wallace Univ near Cleveland OH on Thursday.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 10:07 PM
Feb 2016

yeah, he is definitely giving up.

BTW, the race is very close in OK.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
42. Who is Sander?
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:26 PM
Feb 2016

Is it Bench Sander, Belt Sander or Hand Sander?
I guess this Sander entity is a third candidate I have not heard of. Please elaborate.
Thanks.

INdemo

(7,024 posts)
50. This is the LA times another Corporate Mafia owned paper and
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:50 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie Sanders has not given up on these States he has another Rally in VA and just had a Rally in GA recently

Priorities USA Pac..Isn't that the PAC Bernie and Hillary discussed at a debate and she went on the defense and said it was for Obama when ran in 2012 and she was not affiliated with in (she lied) and hasn't the Koch Bros. contributed to this PAC indirectly through one or more of their companies?

dr60omg

(283 posts)
56. Please have no fear
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:22 PM
Feb 2016

Sanders has invested money and opened offices in those states and he is doing very well ... He has not given up on any super Tuesday states save Arkansas http://www.texastribune.org/2015/11/11/sanders-campaign-ramps-texas/ another Texas radio station a PBS station http://tpr.org/post/uttt-poll-clinton-still-leads-texas-margin-has-narrowed#stream/0

I could go on state by state ... but, he is there and he is closing the gaps ... Please

Yes, Clinton's super-pac is in all six states kind of ironic since one of the things is that we want to get corporate money out of politics to save the nation and the planet.

OkSustainAg

(203 posts)
65. Just because
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:39 PM
Feb 2016

you don't advertise doesn't mean you are not going to get delegates. Proportional delegates means he still gets delegates. I personally don't watch TV.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
68. Oh hooray, Clinton + Clinton PACs have more money!
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 10:01 PM
Feb 2016

Congratulations! It's totally because the corporate establishment deserves to pick the winner! So proud of you! Dance, dance! You are the best! Let's go NAFTA-Plus - fracking - mass incarceration - new round of wars! Hooray!!!

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
69. Umm no. Bernie hasn't given up in Texas. A lot of us are working hard right now.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 10:02 PM
Feb 2016

He may not be running many ads, but his people are here doing whatever we can.

Your Subject line is disingenuous. But that doesn't surprise me one bit.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
73. Super Tuesday was originally intended to be a firewall against very liberal candidates
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 10:47 PM
Feb 2016

Or at least to give more moderate candidates an ability to compensate for losses in Iowa and New Hampshire.

No surprise here.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
90. I see: a campaign in multiple States across the Country is a "firewall"
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 07:54 AM
Feb 2016

It's almost as bad as holding a national election.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
74. That's a mistake, IMO: he needs either VA or AR
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 10:48 PM
Feb 2016

This is surprising me because he was running a pretty effective campaign so far, but this is the wrong call for him.

Gothmog

(179,847 posts)
75. I was hoping for a fight in Texas
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:40 AM
Feb 2016

In 2008, we had a great contest between Clinton and Obama. I am sad that Sanders gave up

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
78. He laid out big bucks in Nevada and did not get a great return, money spent and not
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:47 AM
Feb 2016

coming back. Presidential elections are very expensive and big bucks are needed. I don't know what day Sanders will realize some of the same things he has been told about running for president. I wish he would not look at everyone as having to have money given to provide a service in return. It just isn't true everyone is on the take.

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
82. Lol
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:04 AM
Feb 2016

In my super-red east tennessee county, I have seen Sanders signs but no HRC signs. His strategy, as someone else said above, is since these 6 states are not winner-take-all, he will still get quite a few delegates, and then can try to put money in the winner-take-all states.

quaker bill

(8,264 posts)
92. Whatever.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 07:59 AM
Feb 2016

perhaps he is just focusing in the places where he is far more likely to rack up delegates. I would think you "H" people should know by know that it is about delegates, not square feet. Delegates from Michigan are as good as delegates from Tennessee.

Stand and Fight

(7,520 posts)
132. Nice broad brush. I'm one of those "H" people and I don't agree with the premise of this post.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:59 PM
Mar 2016

Please do try to NOT generalize so much. It's much more of a bane than a boon.

islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
104. the Sanders camp doesn't know what they are doing!! OH NOES!! damn...
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:03 AM
Feb 2016

I better send them another $100 because at least they don't what to do with my $100...

since the campaigns seem to have trouble knowing what to do with the $2700 max-outs they are getting, too...

at least I get to play the game longer...oh wait, is that a plan?

Vinca

(53,992 posts)
107. I love the gloating on this thread.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:07 AM
Feb 2016

When President Trump is sworn in next January, I'll remember it. This is the year of the outsider, not the year of the status quo. Bernie is probably our best chance to beat Trump.

Vinca

(53,992 posts)
123. Bernie's the only person creating any excitement on the left.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:24 PM
Feb 2016

And, in the past week, the only one who hasn't received a subpoena for anything. Trump is going to devastate Hillary. As pundits have been noting on air today, negatives stick to Hillary like glue, but they slide off "The Donald" as if he's covered with Teflon. Now I'm doubly worried about this election with Rick Scott's name being put out there as VP. Hillary's only hope in the general is getting enough Republicans to vote for her to put her over the top.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
120. He's not made of money.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:38 PM
Feb 2016

Swearing off the big donors has consequences. One of which is retaining his relative virginity in the matter of campaign finance reform.

It's a gamble, but I am glad that he's betting on us. Tells me who he's working for.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
121. Gee that's odd, my daughter was calling Arkansas for him last night.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:40 PM
Feb 2016

The phone bank had volunteers calling all those states. I think Bernie knows what he's doing, thank you very much for your concern.

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
126. I pointed this out last week
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:48 PM
Mar 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511337901

and got a lot of flack for it. He's giving up an insurmountable amount of delegates in Texas alone to continue on as a viable candidate.

Uncle Joe

(65,134 posts)
129. I viewed two of his commercials on CNN last night here in Nashville.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:51 PM
Mar 2016

Thanks for the thread, hill.

Stand and Fight

(7,520 posts)
130. Given the number of people showing up at his rallies...
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:54 PM
Mar 2016

Given the number of people showing up at his rallies, I think the premise of this post is a bit of a stretch. I cannot honestly draw that conclusion based on the link or how well Sanders does at rallies. He's continuing to have events in some of those states -- he's just not blowing money on them. Shows a bit of economic pragmatism if you ask me since he's not made of money. Actually makes me respect him even more since he's spending supporters donations wisely. Much wiser than Jeb Bush who spent some $29 million for 4 delegates -- if The Young Turks is correct.

I'm a Hillary supporter, but I think this post is assuming too much. Just saying.

 

datguy_6

(176 posts)
133. I agree that he is ceding AL, AR, GA and TN
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 04:03 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie has made several campaign rally stops in TX and VA, but instead of spending money on ads, he has focused more on phone banking and traditional GOTV...



The big question for me is why is Clinton spending so much in states she going to win easily?

Be curious to see her fundraising and spending numbers for February...

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