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Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:44 PM

MrChuck (279 posts)

If you're nervous about a Hillary Clinton presidency, relax.

She'll never be POTUS.
ANY fool can see that Trump and Sanders are the IT candidates in this cycle. That's the fight that the US wants and it's the one we deserve.
Someone recently said that the crisis in the middle east is a battle for the soul of Islam. Our election this year will be a battle for the soul of American idealism IF the Democrats run Sanders. If they run Clinton then it will be clear that the soul has already departed. She will lose in a landslide against Donald Trump.
For that reason it is imperative that we get Sanders nominated. He is really our only shot at avoiding a Trump presidency and the inevitable international backlash associated with that.

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If you're nervous about a Hillary Clinton presidency, relax. (Original post)	MrChuck	Feb 2016	OP
This constant denigrating of the candidates is bullshit. Whoever becomes the Democratic nominee I	still_one	Feb 2016	#1
There is no such denigration	MrChuck	Feb 2016	#4
Trump's negatives are even higher, Senor Chuck	DemocratSinceBirth	Feb 2016	#16
Chuck I was referring to both sides sniping each other on electibility	still_one	Feb 2016	#17
....	LexVegas	Feb 2016	#2
I make it a habit never to follow the observational preferences of fools.	Agnosticsherbet	Feb 2016	#3
Thanks for your reply	MrChuck	Feb 2016	#5
Your the one that said "any fool can see." It would be better to say even the average voter can	Agnosticsherbet	Feb 2016	#11
So only fools will vote her in, eh?	randome	Feb 2016	#6
I refuse to acknowledge that your comment	MrChuck	Feb 2016	#9
Well, the 'any fool can see that' was inartfully phrased, IMO.	randome	Feb 2016	#12
Totally agree	pdsimdars	Feb 2016	#7
Except they Don't say that-In fact, 18 out of last 20 Polls say Clinton Would Beat Trump	Stallion	Feb 2016	#13
K&R	SheenaR	Feb 2016	#8
"Nervous" at the prospect?	NorthCarolina	Feb 2016	#10
That backlash... it will be massive.	Betty Karlson	Feb 2016	#14
What makes you the guru of who is voting for who and who will	doc03	Feb 2016	#15
And now	MrChuck	Feb 2016	#21
Trump has a disapproval rating of 57%	MaggieD	Feb 2016	#18
100% Correct MrChuck	Matariki	Feb 2016	#19
Oh, any FOOL can see the Trump and Bernie are the "IT" candidates, eh?	Nonhlanhla	Feb 2016	#20
Clearly	MrChuck	Feb 2016	#22

Response to MrChuck (Original post)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:48 PM

still_one (87,989 posts)

1. This constant denigrating of the candidates is bullshit. Whoever becomes the Democratic nominee I

Will vote for, and anyone who does not is neither a progressive or a Democrat

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Response to still_one (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:51 PM

MrChuck (279 posts)

4. There is no such denigration

In my post above.
I'll vote for Clinton if she gets the nomination.
She's just going to lose in a gigantic fashion and if you can't see that you're out of your mind. She has negative favorability and downward momentum, no denying that.

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Response to MrChuck (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 05:59 PM

DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)

16. Trump's negatives are even higher, Senor Chuck

She's just going to lose in a gigantic fashion and if you can't see that you're out of your mind. She has negative favorability and downward momentum, no denying that.

Trump's negatives are even higher, much higher, ergo:

At this point (two-week average through Jan. 27), 33% of Americans view Trump favorably and 60% unfavorably. It's that 60% unfavorable figure that I can focus on here. Putting his favorable and unfavorable ratings together yields a net favorable of -27 for Trump, far above the -10 for Clinton and for Bush, the next lowest among the major candidates.

http://www.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/188936/trump-negative-image.aspx

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Wed Feb 24, 2016, 06:10 PM

still_one (87,989 posts)

17. Chuck I was referring to both sides sniping each other on electibility

I also believe over 95% of us at DU will vote the for the Democratic nominee regardless who we supported in the primary

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Response to MrChuck (Original post)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:49 PM

LexVegas (5,415 posts)

2. ....

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Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:49 PM

Agnosticsherbet (11,619 posts)

3. I make it a habit never to follow the observational preferences of fools.

Neither Islam nor the "American Ideal" has a soul, so fighting a battle for an object that does not exist seems unwise to me.
If I want to see one of those object, I look at the bottom of my shoes. That is about the closest one can get, though it is spelled differently.

I am not nervous about a Clinton or Sanders Presidency. Either of those will do.

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Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:52 PM

MrChuck (279 posts)

5. Thanks for your reply

Or, non reply actually.
Next.

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Wed Feb 24, 2016, 05:00 PM

Agnosticsherbet (11,619 posts)

11. Your the one that said "any fool can see." It would be better to say even the average voter can

see.

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Response to MrChuck (Original post)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:53 PM

randome (34,845 posts)

6. So only fools will vote her in, eh?

You wouldn't consider the possibility -however slight- that others hold a different opinion than you, would you?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

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Response to randome (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:58 PM

MrChuck (279 posts)

9. I refuse to acknowledge that your comment

did not crawl directly out of your rectum.
I never said fools would vote her in. I said I would vote for her if she were nominated and that she would lose.
I am certainly aware that other people have different opinions than my own. To suggest otherwise is further evidence of your unprecedented abnormal physiology.
Namely, the ability to speak articulately, although nonsensically, from your posterior.

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Response to MrChuck (Reply #9)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 05:02 PM

randome (34,845 posts)

12. Well, the 'any fool can see that' was inartfully phrased, IMO.

One's leanings toward one candidate or the other is rather irrelevant since Clinton pretty much has the delegates lined up. Seems to me the 'better part of valor' is to work with what we have and push her further to the left.

But I suppose Super Tuesday will convince some -but not all- of that. One way or the other. Either Clinton consolidates her lead or Sanders breaks out. I'm good with either outcome.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

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Response to MrChuck (Original post)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:53 PM

pdsimdars (6,007 posts)

7. Totally agree

All the polls and intelligent analysis says that Hillary would lose to Trump and Bernie will win and some polls have him with a huge win over Trump. As I said, Hillary loses to Trump.
You'd think those who really worried about making sure we have a Democratic President, you'd think they'd look at the facts and get behind Bernie.

Oh, I forgot . .. live long and prosper.

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Wed Feb 24, 2016, 05:22 PM

Stallion (6,446 posts)

13. Except they Don't say that-In fact, 18 out of last 20 Polls say Clinton Would Beat Trump

making your conclusions devoid of logic

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Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:54 PM

SheenaR (2,052 posts)

8. K&R

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Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:58 PM

NorthCarolina (11,197 posts)

10. "Nervous" at the prospect?

"Nauseous" at the prospect is closer to home for me.

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Wed Feb 24, 2016, 05:29 PM

Betty Karlson (7,231 posts)

14. That backlash... it will be massive.

It will shrink the USA to a second-tier power. Superpowers are a matter of consent, not bullying and blustering. Surely we have learned that lesson from the utterly failed Bush doctrine?

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Wed Feb 24, 2016, 05:49 PM

doc03 (33,287 posts)

15. What makes you the guru of who is voting for who and who will

win anything? You know opinions are like assholes everyone has one.

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Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:00 PM

MrChuck (279 posts)

21. And now

This thread has one.
Thank you.

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Wed Feb 24, 2016, 06:11 PM

MaggieD (7,393 posts)

18. Trump has a disapproval rating of 57%

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/donald-trump-favorable-rating

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Wed Feb 24, 2016, 06:15 PM

Matariki (18,775 posts)

19. 100% Correct MrChuck

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Wed Feb 24, 2016, 06:40 PM

Nonhlanhla (2,074 posts)

20. Oh, any FOOL can see the Trump and Bernie are the "IT" candidates, eh?

I'm glad I'm not a fool then.

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Response to Nonhlanhla (Reply #20)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:02 PM

MrChuck (279 posts)

22. Clearly

I was mistaken.
Thank you for providing evidence to the contrary.

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