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PRESS RELEASE
Momentum Swings to Sanders
FEBRUARY 24, 2016

KANSAS CITY, Mo. Telling a packed convention center crowd here on Wednesday that we are gaining momentum, Bernie Sanders cited huge turnouts at his rallies and three new national polls putting him ahead of Hillary Clinton in the Democratic Party presidential nomination contest.
We started this campaign 9 1/2 months ago and we were at 3 percent. In the last week there have been three national polls that have us in the lead, Sanders told the crowd of some 7,100 supporters who came out for the weekday afternoon rally. We are gaining momentum every single day.
A Reuters/Ispos tracking poll released on Wednesday put Sanders ahead by six points, 42 percent to 36 percent. It was the latest voter survey showing the race taking a turn in Sanders favor. Within the past week, a Fox News poll had the U.S. senator from Vermont overtaking the former secretary of state 47 percent to 44 percent. A McLaughlin & Associates poll on Feb. 17 had Sanders edging Clinton 42.6 percent to 42.5 percent.
The reason we have so much momentum, the reason we are doing so well, is that the American people in Kansas, in Missouri and all over this country are sick and tired of establishment politics, Sanders told the crowd at the Kansas City Convention Center. And they know that Washington is too busy representing the interests of wealthy campaign contributors to worry about the middle class.
Sanders fast-growing national appeal also is reflected in state polls. For example, hes up by 7 points in a Public Policy Polling survey in Massachusetts, where Sanders leads 49 percent to 42 percent. In Vermont, where Sanders will watch returns from his hometown next Tuesday, Sanders was ahead 86 percent to 10 percent.
In state after state the gap is narrowing or we are now forging ahead, Sanders told the Kansas City crowd. If we stand together we can win this nomination.

https://berniesanders.com/press-release/momentum-swings-to-sanders/
Segami
(14,923 posts)....Aaaah, you said,...Bernie was going to be out before Iowa?.....did I hear you right?
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)You replied to yourself....
Segami
(14,923 posts)the howling wind weaving it's way through the thread corridors of GDP.....
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)Fairgo
(1,571 posts)Trying to inject reason into chaos...like refuting flying feces when the opposition temporarily runs out of poo to fling. Won't change the nature of the discourse, but it seems the right thing to do.
Fearless
(18,458 posts)Ooh wait, that already did.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)But wherever it goes, I suspect FL is going to be to the right of that place.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)"He will concede to have the convention brokered, he never REALLY wanted to become president. So now we should find a compromise candidate."
dana_b
(11,546 posts)he is what we need and we need other politicians who think like him to succeed in November.
is that he can win the general, but the obstacles to the nomination will be too much to overcome. Hillary seems to be in the exact opposite situation.
platitudipus
(64 posts)+1
senz
(11,945 posts)I hope we break through to the nomination.
Establishment Democrats and Hillary win the battle but go on to lose the war. That's my concern, as well. In any other year and against any other Republicans, I would think Hillary would be a shoo-in, but if Trump is the nominee for the R's, all bets are off.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)To win the GE than the primary. Hillary has been very easy on Bernie compared to what The Republicans would do
Beowulf
(761 posts)Several reasons:
Bernie's trend lines continue to go up as more people get to know him. Hillary's trend lines have been flat. In none of her previous campaigns has her support grown as the campaign goes along. Her starting point is also the high point of her support.
Bernie is showing that he has appeal with independents and even some GOP people. He intrigues many Trump supporters and I think he can pick a few off. I don't see Hillary exciting non-Democrats. There's the trust issue many independents have and she'd never attract any GOP voters.
In Electoral terms, polls suggest Bernie could carry every state Obama carried in 2008. With Hillary, very important swing states now become much more difficult. Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Iowa, Wisconsin.
Millennials are very excited about him. He brings new voters into the process. Would they stay to support Hillary? Right now, it doesn't look that way.
Then there the investigations into the server she kept in her home, the relationships between donations to the Clinton Foundation and decisions made at State, and, of course, the transcripts of the speeches. I don't see these going away. Maybe she can overcome them, but only if there is nothing there and if there's nothing there, why isn't she being more forthcoming.
I don't see much difference in what the Republicans do to either candidate. They will be brutal to both and I think Bernie is better able to withstand it than Hillary. Trump would be a nightmare match up for Hillary. All he has to do is say, "Hillary is a bought and sold politician. I should know. I've donated to her campaigns. She's done favors for me. She takes my calls. Heck, Bill even encouraged me to run. They came to my wedding. Our daughters are friends. Me, I'm so rich I can't be bought. If Lloyd Blankfein calls, I don't have to take that call. I don't need him." You get the idea. Bernie, on the other hand, has based his campaign on breaking the stranglehold on power by the oligarchs. When Trump gets nasty, Bernie reminds the electorate that he's there to work for the people who didn't inherit hundreds of millions of dollars. Where Hillary has been most successful in negative campaigning with Bernie is casting doubt among AA and Latinx voters about Bernie's bona fides. No Republican would be successful with that. Red baiting - I don't see that gaining the GOP any voters they didn't already have. Anti-semitism? Maybe, that might be a wild card. I think a bigger issue for Bernie in the GE is what the DNC and party establishment decide to do. In 72 they stood on the sidelines as McGovern got creamed. Now when they did that, there was little doubt that Dems were going to keep control of the House and Senate no matter how poorly McGovern would do. Would they risk their chance to retake the Senate and make inroads in the House? Who knows.
The primary is rigged in so many ways for Hillary. She has so many advantages handed to her by the DNC. Super delegates are just one advantage.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)The Republicans have been building their case against her for over 20 years, as we're constantly reminded. Imagine what will come out when they are actually running against her?
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)Then who's been doing it
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)I can name plenty out of the Clinton camp, but no Sanders attacks.
Oh, and by attacks I mean stuff that is made up, not about the issues, the usual. Like going to the University of Chicago, changing the names on his famous pictures, waiting a couple months, getting a sound bite from a civil rights Icon, having a story written to cast doubt on his record, and then having it all blow up in her face.
That kind of attack.
Not "What did you say in your speech to Goldman Sachs"
rynestonecowboy
(76 posts)Response to Segami (Original post)
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THIS is why Clinton's camp is crying for him to drop out! LOL
Akamai
(1,779 posts)not to criticize Hillary? Neither do I. He has run a very nasty sniping series of ads, press releases, and he gets no sympathy from me.
On the other hand, in a fit of absolute hyperbole, he claimed that Sanders was running "the most negative campaign I've seen." What a crock.
Go Bernie!
Volaris
(11,703 posts)I think that's about right.
The kitchen sink missed it's mark, and soon they'll be tearing the plumbing out of the walls.
But Super Tuesday is coming up fast, so it's going to get worse before it gets better. Get ready, fellow travelers.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Brock is some kind of excrement left at the bottom of the Flint River left by a diseased catfish.
Volaris
(11,703 posts)Brock is, (and always has been) the worst kind of political operative.
It's not working this time. I think we might be on the verge of a very important National Awakening.
dchill
(42,660 posts)Has a nice ring to it.
Jopin Klobe
(779 posts)... David Crock ...
senz
(11,945 posts)
David Brock!
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)It would appear that having huge amounts of ill-gotten dark money, favors owed across the board (mostly because a spouse was once president).
Deep friendships with big names like Kissinger, Blankfein, Dimon and the backing of the private prison industry.
The work of one of the biggest hired guns in the slime slinging game, David Brock.
Even the tried and true methods of using race, sex sexuality and subculture to pit the poor one against the other aka divide and conquer the 99% of those that are not affluent.
(Read this post for more clarification)
Even stacking the deck with the DNC, absurdly so, to the point of even opposing Obama himself to change DNC rules in order take more dark money from SuperPacs and have the funds sent to her own PACs
Hillary is behind in the pols in honesty, favorability, in head to head match-ups against Republicans and every other meaningful metric
Even with all this Hillary the anointed is not the front runner of our party!
It proves that most people can tell the difference between a corrupt snake oil salesman and an honest man in it not for himself but rather the good of the country.
This is good news!
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Herself is taking on water and listing to starboard. Bernie is taking on helium and gaining altitude.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)"mostly because a spouse was president."
"It would appear that having huge amounts of ill-gotten dark money, favors owed across the board (mostly because a spouse was once president)."
This at first seems to underestimate the feeling among some women Democratic voters--especially older ones like me--who want to see a woman break that barrier. Some of these, both rich and poor, are donors to, supporters of, and endorsers of Hillary because she is a woman. Me? I can wait, rather than have the first woman president be associated with such vast corruption.
Secondly, the main point, as to the motives of dark money, including, of course, money from the banksters and so on, I don't think it makes any difference to those killers of democracy, what her background is. Yes, Bill did them enormous favors--favors that impoverished all the rest of us, and also stripped us of our rights and of our sovereignty (NAFTA, etc.), and favors that contributed to the Crash of 2008 (end of New Deal protections against such crashes). But Hillary has her very own set of enticements to the uber-rich and the corporate, not just supporting Bill's "neo-liberal" destruction of the New Deal, but also of her support of "ten family" corpo-fascist rule in Honduras, her negotiation of TPP--the worst trade bill ever--and supporting it and calling it "the gold standard" of trade deals until very recently; her abandonment of the Democratic Party platform on health care for, oh, the last 60 years--Medicare for all--and more. And who knows what she promised them in $600,000 private speeches?
They want her appointments to financial regulatory agencies. They want a "chilled" EPA. They want to keep going with fossil fuels until we all die. They want the most minimal of taxation they can get. They want mere tweaks to Obamacare, to keep the nauseous profiteering on health care going. They want mere tweaks to lucrative student loans. They want many things from her that they have bought from her, plain and simple. It is legalized bribery--legalized by the Supremely Bad Court. Oh, and they want a woman for women's rights on that Court who is ALSO--the only thing important to these donors--a CORPORATIST.
I hope that all the women, young and old, who have been fooled into supporting the financial ruin of this country, the hardship that poor mothers, in particular, are suffering, and the end of any pretense to democracy or fairness, because Hillary is a woman, will think things through, and fast. Young women have! Some older women have. It's time that we all understand that a leader being a woman does NOT guarantee honesty and integrity, nor good government. It is simply not true that Hillary Clinton will be good for most women. The opposite is true. And, beyond that, it is becoming quite clear that she has far less chance of beating Trump, or any of the other Republican crazies, than Bernie Sanders, who consistently beats them all in national polls, with higher and higher numbers, and has huge favorability and trust ratings, and for good reason.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)started semi-officially when I was in college. Like you, I'd love to see a woman President, but I can wait because I want one who does us proud. Even if she was by some miracle elected, she would likely only be a one-termer...constantly dodging investigations, new revelations, on the defense.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)which means that by 2020, only voters over 40 would vote for her: that leaves a huge league of voters for who-ever challenges her from whichever point on the political spectre.
senz
(11,945 posts)desmiller
(747 posts)+1000
Segami
(14,923 posts)If it becomes a cage match between Hillary v. Trump, Hillary will lose.
Realistically, how many Bernie millennials will come out to work for her campaign and support her quest?........How many republicans will come out of hiding just to cast a vote for Trump AGAINST Hillary Clinton?
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)The millennials if various polls regarding how they view the candidates in general are truly representative, the answer is So few will show up to either work or vote for her as to be statistically negligible.
The answer to the second question is that the (now generational) hatred of Republicans toward Clinton is so great that there will likely be records set regarding Republican turnout, in short, some would literally crawl across broken glass to reach the booth and finally cast a vote against her.
The answers to your question are not only easy but I believe approach a near axiomatic certainty.
That leads us with an even larger and much more serious question than which party will win the presidency.
Coattails!
Think about it, Sanders is so well liked by those that seldom vote in elections let alone this one. I speak of the young, of those disenfranchised from the system because they believe by now that no matter who wins, their lives will continue to degrade (many of those are the poor whom I personally canvass as I live in a poor neighborhood) they admit they no longer vote, however in the coarse of my door knocking, I've found with just 10 minutes of their time and a laptop of information on Bernie, not only are they exited to vote again, I have had to go FIVE separate times to get stacks of registration forms so they can register to vote for him! There is also the crucial independent vote (much larger in number than either party) that swing heavily towards Bernie.
Hillary's lack of coattails compared to sanders are much longer than those provided by millennials.
Republican coattails NO MATTER WHO the nominee will be coming out of the clown car are much longer than people believe because hatred is as strong a driver as enthusiasm (and boy do they hate Hillary).
If Bernie runs in the GE his extremely long coattails will make a HUGE difference in down ticket races getting us back the Senate and even possible bringing the House to a near tie even if it can't be delivered to the Democrats completely due to gerrymandering.
Now imagine if Hillary runs in the GE, she will surely lose, the country will not elect a President that nearly three quarters of the population believe is a dishonest liar (that and the lack of the voters that will not come out for her mentioned above that will come out for Sanders assures such an outcome and the hatred coattails will give the Republicans such high numbers in both houses that this country will turn into a John Birch Society/Fascist wonderland that will harm the country horribly as well as ruin the lives of countless numbers of people living in poverty already, or just scraping by (in other words most of us).
There is so much more at stake here than the fact that Hilary (as you correctly predict) will lose. It wil be a loss with reverberations down-ticket that chills my spine, hence the far too long answer to what could have been a simple answer to a simple question, a question that itself implies the obvious answer.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Clinton is 2014 revisited in 2016: electoral disaster after disregarding the left and the young.
FighttheFuture
(1,313 posts)Against Trump, Hillary is in big trouble. Also, I wonder about her coattails. I suspect they will be short. Bernie's will be much longer because of his longtime consistent message and integrity.
Bernie and Trump are similar in the sense that they appeal to voters of either party who are starting to realize they've been screwed by their party establishment for a very long time. They are the outsiders.
Trump is a demagogue and Bernie is a truth teller. Which one people will go to more is hard to say and the media will play a big role in how their message gets out, or doesn't. Still, between Trump and Bernie, I see Bernie being the winner.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Uncle Joe
(65,134 posts)Thanks for the thread, Segami.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Chasstev365
(7,798 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)mountain grammy
(29,035 posts)and the environment, and student loans, etc, etc, etc.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)it's HER TURN, DAMMIT!!
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)Poll Analyst that ever lived, Nate Silver, call BS to this. Its all over but the whining for Bern! Soon he will be able to go back to being "Bern Who?"
TM99
(8,352 posts)who got the UK election completely ass-backwards.
LiberalArkie
(19,804 posts)Occupy Wallstreet kick started it. Trump on the right and Bernie on the left. Neither establishment politics. Trump despite what he says has style, borrows millions from banks to build something, then sticks it to the banks and goes bankrupt. Rinse, repeat. And the bankers never seem to catch on.
madokie
(51,076 posts)We can and must do this. For not only us but the future generations of Americans depend on us getting this one right.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)They're scared
Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)I was at that rally. Rest assured, nobody is giving up, least of all Bernie.
He's bernin' it up. When you are there in the room, you see him, hear him and feel the reality on the ground from the crowd around you....
No, don't believe anything they say.
Give up? Please.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)pa28
(6,145 posts)If she has to pull out her superdelegates to force a win on the floor, fine. Make her do it.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)This is fun!
appalachiablue
(44,022 posts)
senz
(11,945 posts)They clearly to want to dispirit and discourage us, but reality won't cooperate with them.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)PonyUp
(1,680 posts)Response to Segami (Original post)
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TheFarseer
(9,770 posts)and it never seems to pan out?
calguy
(6,154 posts)It'll be different ..... NOT!!!!!!
GreatGazoo
(4,606 posts)brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Bernie's opponent can only win by using deceptive tactics. That is the ONLY way.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Time's running out!
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)"The choice is stark, keep living under corporate rule under Hillary and watch things get worse, or go with Bernie and fight TPTB to regain our Representative Democracy!"
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)They are gonna need it!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Bleacher Creature
(11,504 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
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George II
(67,782 posts)....and is on a collision course to be further behind in 5 days.
Left Coast2020
(2,397 posts)40 to the polls to vote.
Just like Farron Cousin's said on Ring Of Fire, young people show up, Bernie wins. Just as simple as that.
wyldwolf
(43,891 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)If we stand together, we can win this nomination.