2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTrue or false: Sanders speaks with the exact same accent regardless of where he is campaigning?
Gathering some comparative data to follow up on an earlier discussion. A one-word answer in the subject line is all I need. Thanks for your help.
LexVegas
(6,094 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)LexVegas
(6,094 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)IMO. The other only does it for pandering. Shame on you Donald Trump!
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)His accent is very distinctive and doesn't change.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)forest444
(5,902 posts)He says the same things today, in the same way - and yes: with the same accent - he has said for 50 years.
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CaliforniaPeggy
(149,703 posts)Of course, it's true. Only northerners who spent many years in the south end up slipping into the speech pattern. As far as I know Sanders never lived in the south, so it is HIGHLY unlikely that he ever would have adopted that speech pattern. I know midwesterners pick it up fairly quickly - I did to a degree, after about 6 months of living there.
What is False is this
the idea that it is fake for someone who spent many years in the south to slip back into the accent when they return there. It's completely natural. She lived in Arkansas for 18 years.
Absurd to try and gin up something else to throw at the wall and see if it sticks.
Sanders is a common sense candidate - please respect that theme.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)blm
(113,091 posts)My extended reply is absolutely true, too.
merrily
(45,251 posts)do her some good. Sanders doesn't do it, not because he's from Brooklyn originally, but because he's not cut from that cloth.
blm
(113,091 posts)How silly of anyone to pretend this is an issue when it slipping back into the speech pattern is one of the most normal things that happens when people who LIVED in the south for a number of years return.
You are welcome to show one study that was done proving that after people leave their homes in the south it is not normal for them to slip back into the southern speech patterns when they return.
Heh
quite certain that NO ONE would be that stupid to try and prove what you and a few others claim to believe because you WANT to.
Seems people are letting this primary drive away their common sense.
Thankfully, Sanders is made of stronger stuff - his common sense is REAL. And he doesn't slip into the southern speech pattern because HE NEVER LIVED THERE, let alone for the 18 years HRC lived in the south.
merrily
(45,251 posts)the Northeast. She didn't grow up with a Southern accent. Her "speech patterns" were more than formed by the time she first lived in Arkansas and she lived in Arkansas only a small portion of her life.
My sister's kids spent their grade school years in Columbia, South Carolina, much more formative than the years Hillary spent in Arkansas. They don't have a Southern accent. Never did, even the youngest, who was three when my sister moved from NY to Columbia. They moved back to NY after several years, but Hillary didn't stay that long in Arkansas either and none of the years she spent there were her formative years.
Moreover, Hillary does not affect that accent only when she is in the South. She affects it when she is making a speech to African Americans or Southerners, wherever they may be located, including NYC or D.C. IOW, when she thinks it might do her some good. So you're facts are wrong on all counts.
Heh quite certain that NO ONE would be that stupid to try and prove what you and a few others claim to believe because you WANT to.
Very rude and very false.
I have nothing to prove. Youtube abound with videos of Hillary making speeches in her fake Southern accent, even describing the f*cking United States Senate as a "plantation." Now tell me how moving to Arkansas as an adult and staying there for 16 years out of your 67 forces anyone to make that kind of bizarre, tone deaf comparison when speaking to African American people. Or talking to Latino/Hispanic people about "my abuela."
You, however, have not proven that a Southern accent is natural to Hillary or ever was, or that it's natural for her to go into a Southern accent when speechifying In Manhattan or D.C.
BTW, the OP did say a word about Sanders and the Southern "speech pattern." The OP asked whether Sanders ever affected any accent, regardless of where he is. That you are fixated only on a Southern accent, even when it comes to Sanders, proves my prior post about your post being an apologia for Hillary.
blm
(113,091 posts)But, YOU are so certain it's fake when SHE does what millions of other transplants have done, do, and will do.
Common Sense Sanders is my vote. I believe in common sense. The two threads attempting to make slipping into an accent an unnatural action are utter horsepoo.
merrily
(45,251 posts)using it. And you carefully avoid the fact that the accent comes when she is giving a speech in NY. I am going with the common sense answer and the ones my niece and nephew prove to me. She fakes it. Who you say you vote for has nothing to do her faking it. Not sure why you keep repeating as though it's some kind of magic formula. I am not sure I'm buying it anyway, but it's irrelevant.
blm
(113,091 posts)I'm saying it because I started saying it here many months ago - Common Sense Sanders. It's a mantra you choose to ignore because ..blindhate.
merrily
(45,251 posts)He puts it on too.
It's a mantra you choose to ignore because ..blindhate.
Um, no. More insults. It's all you've got apparently, your default mode because you can't back up anything.
I ignore it because it's irrelevant to her faking her accent.
blm
(113,091 posts)Do you box? You certainly have one heckuva reach.
merrily
(45,251 posts)blm
(113,091 posts)NATURALLY. It can be someone who lived there for 18 weeks, 18 months, or 18 years. It's natural, not unusual.
Fact: Anyone who denies this simple fact is doing so for reasons personal to them as they refuse to show acceptance of natural acts.
merrily
(45,251 posts)speech in NYC. Or to refer to the US Senate as a "plantation." You just keep ignoring anything that does not fit your narrative. I can't respect that kind of posting.
And, btw, FACT: nothing is either a "fact" or "natural" simply because you claim it to be.
thesquanderer
(11,992 posts)...even in non-Southern events. She can fall into it a bit wherever she is. Though she may not try to *avoid* it when speaking in the south as she does elsewhere.
And yes, horsepoo. No relevance to anything. If you want evidence that Hillary panders, you can find much stronger stuff than this.
blm
(113,091 posts)charges or RW propaganda sources to make my case against her. There are plenty of substantive criticisms to make, and I didn't NEED to reach far to make those criticisms.
I think people are becoming so conditioned to the manipulations that they are now openly accepting the horsepoo crafted by professional propagandists.
Knee meets Jerk.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)Just teasing!
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)making it sound like "idear"
http://articles.courant.com/2012-12-09/features/hc-word-watch-1209-20121209_1_accent-sweet-potato-words
thesquanderer
(11,992 posts)It's almost like, in trying to be aware that they have a tendency to leave off final R, they sometimes overcompensate by tossing it on when it shouldn't be there!
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)He has no need to fake anything .
olddots
(10,237 posts)N.T.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)onecaliberal
(32,895 posts)Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)autonomous
(45 posts)he can make an h's sound like h's instead of a y.
what a panderer.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)Only a phony hack would change their accent depending upon who they were talking to.