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Eye opening video of #whichhillary will show up. Don't fall for it. #NotHerFirewall I will not be used. Luci added,
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Before you #GeauxVote, take 15 mins and watch this video to learn more about Hillary's history with AA issues. #BHM
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grasswire
(50,130 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)but that tweet, is from an African American poster
FourScore
(9,704 posts)enigmatic
(15,021 posts)Going to be interesting to see their comments tomorrow, and you know they will get asked about it.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)unavailable until the talking points can be hammered out.
I wonder if the bat signal aleady went off at Brock's home... east coast time, this is the proverbial 3 in the morning call. By the way, not only do we have an instance of this already here... but reported in the wild
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@keikoty45 I've seen the first attempt. Implying it was a partisan political stunt on the part of her opponent. #whichhillary
enigmatic
(15,021 posts)"@keikoty45 I've seen the first attempt. Implying it was a
partisan political stunton the part of her opponent."
We just had a DU Hillary supporter just say those exact words in a thread.
Interesting.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)none.
Segami
(14,923 posts)Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Directed on the sky above Brock's lair, I wonder also if he has an evil dungeon below ground to mimic the bat cave, full of hired posters busily tapping away the talking points and smears as he dictates them in real time. LOL

Segami
(14,923 posts)LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)islandmkl
(5,275 posts)The Redheaded Guy
(90 posts)You nailed it, Art!
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)Duppers
(28,469 posts)I resemble that!
grasswire
(50,130 posts)....and has gotten no sleep tonight, monitoring social media.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)but since I do not have to smear politicians, I will go try to get some sleep and see if the stumps grow legs in the morning.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Erica Williams @mbamomof5 7m7 minutes ago
Erica Williams Retweeted DavidMorant
@maddow @MaddowBlog @ringoffireradio @EdSchultzmsnbc @rolandsmartin Get this out, stat! #WhichHillary
There are also calls to the WAPO and other major publications. Since Huffpost broke it, there is a chance.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)And Will Be The Story On All Social Media and For Sure TYT Network Tomorrow. You can BET on It!
oasis
(53,692 posts)against gang criminals with automatic weapons running rampant through the black community.
Let's see if some of the victims of that period are allowed to tell their stories. Uninterrupted.
JI7
(93,615 posts)Last edited Thu Feb 25, 2016, 04:34 AM - Edit history (1)
bill clinton was regularly protested by black activists during his presidency.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)which has the potential of being the 47 percent or Macaca moment..
NanceGreggs
(27,835 posts)enigmatic
(15,021 posts)Please, go on twitter and Facebook and tell everyone how hilarious Hillary's words and the all-white crowd's hissing and jeering Ashley Williams is.
Please.
You're a writer; come up w/ one of your essays dismissing this and attacking Ashley Williams and spread it far and wide.
I'm sure you'll find the validation of your thoughts.
oasis
(53,692 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)The Redheaded Guy
(90 posts)Baked, grilled, fricassed, fried or just plain raw?
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)I liked Shane Ryan's funny take on it, too:
greiner3
(5,214 posts)I used to read just about any post you made OP or no. I hope your posts in the last 6-8 months are not a harbinger of future ones
oasis
(53,692 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)please do run with it.
Here, in the meantime...

oasis
(53,692 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)you go on and use it... I not just dare you, but triple dare you.
Posters are digging all kinds of crap that you guys have worked too hard to try to bury
#WhichHillary The one who loves Obama or the one from 2008? http://bit.ly/1JhZe49 http://cnn.it/1VG94Fv #NotYourFirewall
I loved the photo the Guardian used by the way... quite appropriate I would say
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)That until Hillary addressed her, she did not say a word. Just quietly displayed her sign. Not interrupting Hillary's speech or anything. Then when Hillary addressed her, and then dismissed her without answering her quesstion, she did start talking, but she didn't shout. She was not the kind of protester that needed to be wrestled to the ground to be escorted out. She complied, but had she not, she would have been dragged out. She was too dignified for that. And she had already gotten her point across.
But go on with your meme...if it makes you feel better.
oasis
(53,692 posts)Thanks for your confirmation of my previous post.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)security persons who are trained to eject disruptive people. It's very simple to compare that encounter with BLM at Seattle with Bernie in which no security force stepped up as a unit, in which no person laid a hand on the activists and at which the activists were given the platform instead of the bum's rush.
But you are correct that they did not beat her with a stick, if that's the point you wish to make I'll grant that.
DUbeornot2be
(367 posts)...see the video but the looks on all those faces doesn't do much to suggest excitement...
She is done. Just a matter af time!
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Between Bernie Sanders and the African-American Vote. Said This Last Week....
"No firewall exists between Bernie Sanders and the African American community and the African American vote," she said, drawing applause.
"When Bernie talks about things like NAFTA it devastated my community, which is Ypsilanti and Ypsilanti Township," she said. "We do not have the jobs that are needed for our children that can give them the $15 to $20 an hour they need in order to be able to take care of themselves and their families coming up. Those jobs used to exist in our community. We need them back."
http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2016/02/bernie_sanders_supporters_cele.html
Now between Hillary Clinton and the African-American Community....well let's just say -- incidents like this definitely does not help do anything but build a high to the sky Firewall between her and our votes.
HubertHeaver
(2,539 posts)Fairgo
(1,571 posts)HELLO I'M: Mrs. Whitebread, of the Boston Whitebreads. We're here for the Bellinis, where even the peaches are white.
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)oasis
(53,692 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and even went on record here and said it. There were reasons to point to a possible one, including Outsider202 being hosted by MERCK at one point. But I digress, I never went and wrote a story on that, since I could not make that stick. There were things out of order.
After that, and Bush, and clinton not once but now at least twice, and a few others, I was wrong. It is just not what my local folks do, so I guess that is why it struck me as so strange.
But these guys are going to go there, now that it is their candidate.
Oh and Sanders handed over the mike... and joined in the minute of silence. Clinton removed the protester with her SS detail. Very ahem different reaction.
oasis
(53,692 posts)their charge and hostile persons.
I'm hitting the hay now. We'll see how it goes.
Krytan11c
(271 posts)Nothing! To say otherwise is disgusting.
oasis
(53,692 posts)tazkcmo
(7,419 posts)That you consider quietly holding a sign as "hostile". Wonder where the 1st Amendment falls on your Terrorist Threat Level...
oasis
(53,692 posts)As I said before, The Secrect Service have a duty to protect Hillary.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)when there is video of her possing like zero threat... ok
oasis
(53,692 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)partial back pedal.
I gotta say, I am enjoying this. The talking points are not what they used to
oasis
(53,692 posts)Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Please do your best to spread that one.
"She was hostile."
I think it might work. Spread it far and wide.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)this is now the talking point. And given the same exact talking point was spotted at Twitter and facebook already, a game of spot the... talking point... I guess talking points are now being tested.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)oasis
(53,692 posts)It's not like the First Lady is just going to come out with both guns blazing against innocent children of the black community.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)That's another great idea.
Spread that one around.
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)RockTheVote-Com @0ggles 7m7 minutes ago Palm Harbor, FL
#WhichHillary put Rosa Parks on the back of the H? #BlackLivesMatter #BLM #Hillary2016 @johnlewisretail #Blackish

NanceGreggs
(27,835 posts)THIS is even funnier than the alleged "macaca moment"!
As we've all seen, Hillary's support among AAs plummeted when this logo ran!
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)that #whichHillary is trending. I'm enjoying that quite a bit.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Trendsmap USA @TrendsmapUSA 6m6 minutes ago United States
#whichhillary is now trending in United States http://trendsmap.com/us
so is #blackish
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Michelle @NewyorkWeissman 5m5 minutes ago
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/black-lives-matter-activist-confronts-clinton-over-mass-incarceration-i-am-not-a-super-predator/
Ashley Williams stands holding statement, we have to bring them to heel, a remark made in 1996 #WhichHillary?
senz
(11,945 posts)AAs don't like phony.
So glad this happened.
Segami
(14,923 posts)now,........maybe I'll nibble a bit and hang around a little.........
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)This site and the people on it are such an inspiration. If you look at the MSM, and even most other online outlets, you get a mixed bag, but you always find the good stuff here, the stuff that keeps the dream alive. And that is what America is all about, people with big dreams about what life means and how we get there.
The dream lives on.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)This story was written by Ben Smith in 2008:
Hillary & Obama "Racial Tensions Roil Democratic Race"
A series of comments from Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, her husband, and her supporters are spurring a racial backlash and adding a divisive edge to the presidential primary as the candidates head south to heavily African-American South Carolina.
The comments, which ranged from the New York senator appearing to diminish the role of Martin Luther King Jr. in the civil rights movement - an aide later said she misspoke - to Bill Clinton dismissing Sen. Barack Obama's image in the media as a "fairy tale" - generated outrage on black radio, black blogs and cable television. And now they've drawn the attention of prominent African-American politicians.
"A cross-section of voters are alarmed at the tenor of some of these statements," said Obama spokeswoman Candice Tolliver, who said that Clinton would have to decide whether she owed anyone an apology.
"There's a groundswell of reaction to these comments - and not just these latest comments but really a pattern, or a series of comments that we've heard for several months," she said. "Folks are beginning to wonder: Is this really an isolated situation or is there something bigger behind all of this?"
...
More, as quoted by Berniepdx420, at
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/racial-tensions-roil-democratic-race/
Note to the Hill Group: this is Hillary's problem with PoC, and it's history and it is present. With the SC primary coming up, it is relevant information for primary voters - so I suggest you learn to rebut it. Hiding any and all posts criticising Clinton for her indifference to (young) people of colour will not make the problem go away. The problem is Clinton, and the company she keeps (which includes the CEOs of the prison industry).
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)for so very long. I've seen these comments before and many of us know they've been around for a very long time. Without Bernie, NONE of this would have been brought forward. Our very own Democratic Party hasn't been there for us for way too long. They still think Bernie will go away... I doubt it.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Bring your galoshes.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)When David Brock Thought It Was A "Good Idea" To Give Bernie Sanders the Anita Hill Treatment Deja Vu -- and Try (and FAIL) to Throw Sanders Clear Civil Rights Record Under The Bus by PLANNED Lines By Her Supporters.
When You Throw Unjustified Crap At A Honorable Man -- Bernie Sanders - Look for JUSTIFIED FACTS to be Threw Back In The Other Direction.
sorechasm
(631 posts)Thanks for this video. I had not seen it.
Hillary stated that she would address the 'young lady's concern' if she would 'let me talk'. Although the video was cut short, I suspect no such discussion followed. IOW - Black Lives Matter, and quotes from Hillary's past about 'bringing super predators to heel' are not issues worth addressing.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Then what are the issues worth addressing?
sorechasm
(631 posts)It appeared that Hillary did not consider these issues worth addressing. I doubt she did.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)mmonk
(52,589 posts)LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)It Can Take A Minute To Get Around Social Media But....The Video Is Going Viral Now and Folks Are Not Liking What They See.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)especially in allowing a message to spread quickly.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)included. Just think what can be done with all of Bernie's speeches if one wanted to make him look like a radical socialist trying to wreck the US economic system.
Just saying that stuff like this fuels the basic assumptions of the other side and will hurt us in the end.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)And since Hillary is always holding up working at the Childrens Defense Fund as proof of working for blacks from the start, this matters.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Also, she doesn't say anything about AA here. I guess you can't actually insert words somebody didn't say even in propaganda. She's talking about gang violence.
So why are people making the (racist) assumption that gangs are only comprised of AA people? Every race has gangs in urban areas. Including white, by the way.
forjusticethunders
(1,151 posts)You might as well say that Reagan didn't *really* mean black people when he talked about welfare queens, or that Nixon didn't *really* mean black people protesting for their rights when the talked about "law and order" pursuing the Southern Strategy.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Years later, still jaw-dropping in its disrespect, a blast from the Jim Crow past.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)& its founder is here saying we disagreed while she was there.
The whole video is really eye opening.
I knew she was a phony, in for the long con of making the Democrats into a conservative party, but this history. Much of it I didn't know prior to watching.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Ads would be flooding every major black market in the country showing a montage of the superpredator speech, Hillary telling BLM protesters she'd only talk to white people, and the BLM protester being removed while Hillary says 'and now back to important issues'. And her 'firewall' would dissolve into quicksand.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)this is how someone confident in their message reacts to protest

Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)...and it is this:
"The (BLM) demonstration comes three days before the South Carolina primary, where turnout from black voters will be key to Clinton clinching the Democratic nomination. (emphasis added)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/clinton-black-lives-matter-south-carolina_us_56ce53b1e4b03260bf7580ca
It would be highly crazy if South Carolina can determine the nomination for the masses of people in California, in New York, in Florida, and the masses of people in all the places in between. Sanders and Clinton are tied on committed delegates. SC's delegates won't change that much. And, up till now, Sanders has gone from near zero to a tie in Iowa, a smashing popular victory in NH, and a not very big loss in Nevada (where he also merited many delegates, and got the most Latino votes).
"The black turnout" in SC is NOT "key" to Clinton "clinching" the nomination. It may be key to Clinton clinching SC. But even if she does win SC, Sanders is still beating her in three recent national polls for the nomination, and he is soundly beating all Republicans as well, while she loses to them or wins by much less.
NH is a much better indicator of Sanders' potential success. And we have a lo-o-o-ong way to go before this is over.
Sanders is committed to this campaign all the way to the convention, and he is showing a sharp up-curve on almost all indicators. Clinton is showing a down-curve, which may flatten out a bit in SC, but she has terrible "favorability" numbers overall.
Sanders is committed because his campaign is not about him; it's about us. And every "kitchen sink" that the Clinton campaign throws at him, is thrown at us, at "we, the people." And we feel it, Hillary. We do. My advice: Best to cut it out!
LexVegas
(6,959 posts)kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Let's start with the full video, and not just a hand selected snip-it.
http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4557866/hillary-clinton-criminal-justice-drug-policy-circa-1996
Is it your assertion that only blacks are part of violent gangs? Then it kind of makes the clip irrelevant to the topic at hand.
Gang activity disproportionately affects poor neighborhoods more than wealthy neighborhoods. Would you agree to this much?
Reduction in gang activity therefore, logically improves quality of life and safety of the citizens in the poorer neighborhoods. Would you agree with that statement?
Income inequality disproportionately affects minorities. Agree?
Unless I've lost you on one of these statements, the logical conclusion is that reducing gang activity (which was the ACTUAL topic of that speech), will directly improve the lives of poorer (majority minority) neighborhoods.
The results of the crack down on gang activity, in particular, is also easy enough to demonstrate:

If you want to focus on the private prison system as an atrocity of Human rights? You've got an ally here.
If you want to attack the disgusting abuses by law enforcement of the power that has been entrusted to them, and the use of that power to abuse, and in many cases murder the citizens they are charged with protecting? You've got an ally here.
If you want to use a snippet of a video to paint a false picture of a candidate who has worked for human rights? Nope.
And, before someone comes back with the "then why don't you call out Hillary supporters on this kind of trash campaigning?" I have. More than a few times.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)Cats out of the bag and it wont go back in.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)The issues i think are important.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Stuff like this from both sides cheapens the whole argument imo.
I do most definitely apply it to others who support the same candidate that I support as well:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1277414
Here's one of me correcting a fellow supporter on the "all lives matter vs Black lives matter."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1214667
Trying to use stuff like this to make either of our candidates look racist cheapens our whole argument imo.
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)campaign, but he's really counting on his platform resonating instead of dismantling Hillary, which is very easy.
asuhornets
(2,427 posts)Hillary is too smart to say or do something stupid. There are super predators out there. Black or white.
Sivart
(325 posts)How about mega predator...super duper predator.....ultra predator......
asuhornets
(2,427 posts)Do you watch the Investigative Discovery channel?
Sivart
(325 posts)What is a super predator?
asuhornets
(2,427 posts)on other individuals to do extreme harm. Hillary did not say that about black children.
Sivart
(325 posts)Could you please elaborate on the differences between a regular predator and a super predator? I mean, obviously one sounds much more scary, but aside from the name, what is the difference?
Thanks
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)are people really unaware that POC were also asking for more help to protect them from the street violence the drug trade brought in from the 80s- 90's? many neighborhoods faced unprecedented violence and felt they were abandoned by their local police.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)krawhitham
(5,072 posts)PonyUp
(1,680 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Dr Jez Phillips
@drjezphillips
This sums it up #WhichHillary

nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)the social media angle, since I watched it in real time
http://reportingsandiego.com/2016/02/25/whichhillary-explodes-overnight-could-affect-the-clinton-campaign/
earthside
(6,960 posts)The Hillarians, of course, will try to disparage this video as edited propaganda.
But I have watched the Clintons since 1991; in the very beginning I was a supporter (a county chair for Bill Clinton in the 1992 Colorado primary); I've met Hillary Clinton.
Virtually everything in this video is true and accurate.
This is indeed, also, just the tip of the iceberg of all the controversial things Hillary and Bill have said and done since being part of the national power structure.
The Democratic Party elites may feel right now that they have to knuckle under to the Clinton machine's bullying and intimidation -- but the Party would be insane to nominate her and endure the political devastation that the Clinton 30 year legacy and record will bring down around its feet.
There will be a "First Woman President" within the decade ... I'm sure of that.
It doesn't have to be someone as flawed and as phony as Hillary Clinton.
olddots
(10,237 posts)context has been proven again and again by H.R.C.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Nadin Brzezinski (friend) this is a major issue, that is not going away, and as far as African Americans are concerned it was not about the gangs... you might want to do the academic exercise of a semantic shift, if you want to, but one has occurred. Myself, I don't question people who see these statements as well racist. And I am honestly going to say, and we ran a story on how it has exploded in social media. I went to bed at 2 in the morning, after watching it go from a couple tweets a minute to trending, that I expect this to affect the vote, How much, is a good question, And not in her favor.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Now to SC where the writing is on the wall.
I agree, the backlash has started.
zappaman
(20,627 posts)That's what I read here so you just keep telling yourself its a loss...
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)"No one's ever asked me before" = "I never memorized an answer to your question before " #WhichHillary
https://twitter.com/Oilwellian/status/702943975888568320
She is being pummeled. Every single issue is being raised. LOL

nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)now if these kids vote... and talk to their elders. Then again, it is on the front page of The Root
Aerows
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nadinbrzezinski
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Uncle Joe
(65,132 posts)Thanks for the thread, nadin.