Liberals / New Deal Dems Won't Be Screwed Again - Beware Compromisers

[scottie55]

Ever since Reagan's Racist Revolution, our nation has been ignoring New Deal Democrats, and moving towards economic oblivion/stress for 99% of Americans.

"Getting things done" means endless compromise with Corporate Scumbags, with economic policies that only benefit the 1%. We all know the list. We are not even a democracy any more. Nothing gets done unless the plunderers get paid first. Our owners.

Liberals/New Deal Democrats have had enough of compromise, and selling out to the big money interests without even a fight. What Democrat would shut down the government fighting for benefits for the poor? Republicans stop at nothing fighting for tax free status for the billionaires, and their corporations. I, and my friends are sick of the surrender strategy. Starting in the middle, and pandering to the economic insane to "get things done".

Enough.

All those people filling all those arenas to see Bernie are the folks WHO KNOW THEY HAVE BEEN SOLD OUT.

They want real change, not compromise with the devil.

Take heart.

Rec if you have had enough "compromise".

[DrDan]

1. "change" - like BS offered/championed/promoted during his 25 years in congress!!!

How many successful bills did he write?

[scottie55]

2. Impressive Recored - I Know You Won't Read The Article

Bernie Gets It Done: Sanders' Record of Pushing Through Major Reforms Will Surprise You

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you

[SHRED]

16. So much for the "one issue candidate" lie.

Hillary is happy to propagate this fiction.

[DrDan]

34. amendments - to the work of others

this is my point - he has 3 bills to his credit in 25 years. Yes he has successfully had amendments passed, but that does not signify a leader to me. A leader would be on the forefront - not riding coattails.

And I say this as someone who will support him should he win the nomination.

And I did read the article.

[daleanime]

40. So where we are...

is perfectly fine with you.

[DrDan]

44. no - but I am not opposed to incremental change

throwing for the endzone all the time does not yield touchdowns.

I think we can make progress incrementally - and I think Hillary can do that.

[droidamus2]

69. Tell me

When was the last time the Democratic party really threw for the end zone without conceding yardage to the Republicans before the play even started (to carry forward your football metaphor).

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

75. Incremental change never happens. NEVER.

[DrDan]

84. sure it does - ACA

[rhett o rick]

88. Which was sold as the first step to single payer. That was horse-pucky.

Now it's time for the second step and the Conservative Democrats like Clinton are balking. There was never no second step. No cutting out the Big Money insurance companies.

[LuvLoogie]

127. Bernie voted for the ACA.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

136. Why not - ended pre-existing condition. That alone saved many thousands of lives.

[jpb33]

120. ACA

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the ACA is not a step forward, but a way to fool most Americans and say yeah most Americans have health insurance, but health insurance too expensive to use for the majority.

Just like HAMP was never meant to help anyone, but just meant so the government can say that they did something for ordinary Americans even though it's a joke.

[LuvLoogie]

128. Bernie voted for the ACA.

[DrDan]

133. so I guess you would support a candidate from the other side - that is their position also

get rid of ACA and replace it with health insurance and HSAs

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

137. Obtuse much? Try reading.

[SkyIsGrey]

122. The ACA

A Heritage Foundation policy developed in 1988 (which was considered far right then) is now a "Progressive policy".

Ah that incremental change (to the right).

[LuvLoogie]

130. Bernie voted for the ACA.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

138. And what is your all-important point to post this at least 3 times?

[SkyIsGrey]

153. And a high probability of voting for single payer/universal health care as well

But that was incrementally off of of the table.

[Carolina]

134. The ACA

is about insurance which is not healthcare! It was a bonanza for the BIG insurance companies... which ironically some are now choosing to opt out of. Co-pays, deductibles, and other costs are off the chart, so affordable is truly a misnomer. As a patient, I now pay more for less, and my prescription costs, with insurance, have tripled. And as an MD, I can tell you, we hate its mandates along with the for profit insurance bureaucracy that requires reams of coding compliance to get insurance to pay for care and requires us to tap, tap, tap on computers in the examining room to make sure we get the entries correct and do so in a shortened time because you basically have 15 minutes to see a patient!

The ACA was a Heritage Foundation brainchild implemented by Mitt Romney when he was governor of MA. Obama and congressional Dems sold out a competitive public option without a fight and practically barred its proponents, many of whom were MDs, from the discussion.

It is in no way comparable to such signature real deal Democratic programs like FDR's social security or LBJ's Medicare and Medicaid

[DrDan]

141. it is a place to start (we now have protection for pre-existing conditions) - that was the context

when brought up in the discussion re incremental changes.

It is worthy of improvements - and there certainly are some that are warranted. But, like Social Security, incremental changes are what will give us meaningful legislation. It takes time and patience.

[Carolina]

145. A very poor non-start

because third way Dems surrendered a public option without a fight. A public option that would have eliminated the pre-existing confition(s) clause as well. They bought into and sold a Republican for profit INSURANCE plan!

BTW, there are tax penalties starting this year, if a person doesn't have insurance. Insurance, not healthcare or even health access. What kind of progressive it real Democrat likes this added bureaucracy?!

[DrDan]

148. and those with preconditions have coverage - protected

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

135. That's not incremental. If the republicans roll it back, was it incremental. No.

The entire pay-to-play insurance paradigm needs to be REPLACED by single-payer healthcare for all.

[DrDan]

92. oh really - no incremental changes to Social Security?

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

139. I'm talking about REAL change, not tweaks to make SS less valuable.

[rhett o rick]

87. The "incremental" changes are killing us, literally. The changes have been for the worse

for the last 40 years. Everything has been getting worse except for the Wealthy like the Clintons. Keeping with your football theme, we haven't "thrown for the endzone yet". Obama is happy with handing the ball off and losing 3 yards. We need to get more people on out team. Right now if money is what counts, our team only has 3 players compared to the billionairs team of 100.

I would have loved to see you try to sell your "incremental" change bullcrap to our founders.

American children are dying of poverty while Goldman-Sachs and their puppets wallow in riches. I say fuck that shit, it's time to drag out the guillotines (metaphorically).

[DrDan]

89. funny how your candidate has built his reputation on incrementalism

where has he had success in congress - amendments - not on bills of his own

[rhett o rick]

90. Good grief. Your candidate helped Republicons sell a war that resulted in the deaths of

up to a million people and ruined the lives of up to 5 million. She says it was a mistake. When the chips were down she turned to George Bush and people died. Now she says it was a mistake.

There are two sides to this class war and I am asking you to join us on the side of the People and not the side of the Goldman-Sachs god.

[RoccoR5955]

94. And how many bills has Hillary gotten passed?

Just wondering.

[DrDan]

95. you and I both know the answer to that - as well as the number BS has had passed

[RoccoR5955]

98. 3 bills did Hillary get passed.

I didn't see ANY amendments.

[DrDan]

100. did you hppen to notice a cabinet position?

[RoccoR5955]

102. You don't get laws passed

nor do you execute them in the State Department.
And why are you changing the subject?

[DrDan]

107. of course you execute them in the SS

not changing the subject - just adding that she has had valuable experience besides that of a lawmaker

[RoccoR5955]

108. I didn't know that we had SS in the US

I thought it was in Nazi Germany. Was Hillary even alive then?

[DrDan]

109. oops - SD

[RoccoR5955]

125. You know this is what irks me

People who are too lazy to type out the actual words and make up their self-formed acronyms.
Please don't use the excuse that you are using a phone, because even with my fat fingers, and poor eyesight, I manage to type out real words on my phone.

When I don't understand and acronym, I look it up on arconymfinder.com.
Here's what I found for your "SD" acronym: http://acronymfinder.com/SD.html
So is it Steely Dan, Standard Definition, Software Developer, or Sustainable Development?

[timmymoff]

118. However

As secretary of state she did highly tout TPP. She also seemed to have a large support of fracking. Quite possibly failed in Libya. I think Syria as well. Maybe her fondness of Kissinger had something to do with those brilliant moves.

[DrDan]

131. your post should have given you a clue - "nor do you execute them in the State Department"

and no - not using a phone - using a LT

[DrDan]

101. I agree - he is good at incremental changes to the work of others

[Trajan]

152. What a bunch of hooey

I despise fibbers ... Gone ...

[DrDan]

155. ok - you do not see amendments as incremental change - got it

[Armstead]

114. We have been having incremental change BACKWARD

To use your football analogy, when the home team is alternatly dropping the ball, and/or running towards the opposing team's goalpost, it might be time to consider a change.

[DrDan]

124. seems to me BS is also a fan of incrementalism

rather than writing bills of his own, he amends those of others

[jpb33]

119. Ha

"Incremental Change" is nothing but a political counter argument to Bernie made up by HRC's campaign advisers.

She does not even want incremental change she just wants to be President and keep the status quo. Afterall, the status quo is what has gotten her filthy rich and given her lots of power.

[DrDan]

123. Ha

[freddyt]

50. Riding coattails

is the only move Hillary knows. I was cracking up listening to Hillary talk about how she "advised' Obama during the operation to take out Osama Bin Laden.

[DrDan]

51. She was SOS and he was Pres - would you not expect that?

[freddyt]

61. It was a military operation.

I would have expected that she did nothing but be in the situation room with her trap shut. I'd like to hear more specifics on what kind of "advice" she gave to Obama and the JCS while Seal Team Six dropped into the compound. LOL

[DrDan]

63. of course it was - but not one where the SOS would offer advice in your opinion?

[stupidicus]

71. and HC has how many covering what

oh that's right, she's every bit as deserving of your critique as Bernie is, although she can't compete with his "amendment king" status, nor does the belittling of that by some obscure poster diminish it in any way, especially to the point of making her legislative record of accomplishment better than his

I'm sure free speech Nazis everywhere really love her efforts to protect that poor little innocent flag though

[DrDan]

82. well - except only 1/3 the time in congress as BS

[stupidicus]

85. pretty meaningless garbage

which is par for the Hillary defense course

As I recall they both have 2-3 bills for their time respectfully, so extrapolating would indicate that the extra time wouldn't result in anything like a meaningful lead on her part anyway.

And those would like be more than offset by the number of amendments he got through, unless of course you wanna argue that they were all meaningless just because they were amendments.

try again eh

[DrDan]

86. lol

[dflprincess]

104. From Snopes

http://www.snopes.com/bernie-sanders-loser-meme/

[div class = "excerpt"]
Never proposed a bill that has passed

This statement is not literally true, as during his tenure in Congress Sanders has sponsored three bills that were enacted: two of which were rather slight matters involving the naming of USPS facilities, and one of which was the Veterans' Compensation Cost-of-Living Adjustment Act of 2013 (which provided "for an increase in the rates of compensation for veterans with service-connected disabilities and the rates of dependency and indemnity compensation for the survivors of certain disabled veterans&quot .

Although that might seem like slight achievement for someone who has spent 25 years as both a U.S. representative and a U.S. senator, we would note that only a scant handful of bills submitted in Congress (about 4 to 6 percent) are ever brought to a vote, and even fewer (about 2 to 4 percent) end up being enacted. We would also note that sponsoring original legislation is but one small part of Congress members' duties: they also co-sponsor legislation submitted by colleagues (which Sanders has done for more than 200 successful bills), muster support (or opposition) among colleagues and the public for proposed legislation, review and vote on proposed bills, serve on various committees (Sanders currently holds six Senate committee appointments, including the chairmanship of the Senate Committee on Veterans' Affairs), meet with constituents, participate in oversight and investigation of governmental affairs, etc., as detailed in "The Many Roles of a Member of Congress"


It is not unusual that successful legislation sponsored by just on Member of Congress to be bills like post office names. It is also very rare for a member to be the sole sponsor on a major piece of legislation.

[DrDan]

106. did I claim he had no bills passed - no - I recognize he had 3 in his 25 years

2 naming post offices

[Carolina]

129. And what pray tell

is HRC's signature legislation? After all she claims years of experience to include her two-for-one years as FLOTUS.

So let's see her record: Crime bill, NAFTA, Telecommunications, Welfare Reform, Glass-Steagall reversal, IWR, Patriot Act, Bankruptcy bill, disasters in Hinduras, Libya, Syria... support for TOP, Keystone pipeline, fracking

Sickening

[DrDan]

132. as well as serving in the Senate, where she had as many bill passed as BS, she held a cabinet post

a significant post, btw

[Carolina]

140. Name them

And by the way, holding a cabinet position and doing just work while there is one thing, but HRC -- the corporatist BFF of the MIC -- never saw a war or coup she didn't like. Honduras (we'll show them... send those children back), Libya (we came, we saw, he died... cackle) and Syria are frigging disasters!

There have been many cabinet secretaries:
Watt at EPA
Ashcroft AG
Rumsfeld DOD
Albright State (dead Iraqi children were worth it)
Duncan (public education privatizer)

A title, a position, an entry on a resume means squat. It's what that individual DOES

[DrDan]

143. google is your friend

[Carolina]

146. Nice non-answer

Unlike you, I outlined her very clear record and Google has reams of video footage to support what I wrote, including her duplicitous words coming straight out of her mouth

[The Redheaded Guy]

144. I disagree. Bernie finds common ground with the sponsor of the bill and works out an amendment

Now that's working together, and bill passes with Bernies amendment on it.

Clinton CANNOT do that.

How many amendments to a bill has Clinton managed to successfully pass?

That is the question you should asking, and you know with the current status of the House and Senate, you want those downticket Dems to win to help with legislation. Clinton can't even muster any inspirational downticket support, while Bernie's got over 191 people ready to replace the status quo.

[DrDan]

149. so he works with the sponsor to improve the bill incrementally - got it

[MisterFred]

22. How many "trade" deals did he support.

The correct number: Zero! Action for the sake of action, ignoring harm to the country, is bad.

[Mnpaul]

93. Even better than zero

He introduced bills to pull most favorable trading status with China and another to pull out of the WTO.

[ladjf]

29. Bernie realized that America was ready to take on the oligarchs. He has thrown his

hat in the ring. He is offering to lead us. We should accept.

[DrDan]

35. he has thrown his hat in the ring - that is correct - I question his ability to lead, however

he has good ideas, he seems to be honorable and trustworthy, but I have doubts as to his ability to lead.

He has not had success in forming coalitions to support HIS bills. He has had 3 passed in 25 years. His claim to fame is amendments to the work of others.

[mac56]

38. Yeah. Good ideas, honorable, trustworthy...

working with others to get results .... who wants THAT in a President?

[DrDan]

43. leader

[cascadiance]

66. A *leader* gets us to talk about doing necessary change. Followers continue to trump the status quo

Pardon the pun there...

Bernie realizes we need to do some big changes to get us away from the corporate lobbyist lead (note NOT politician lead, since they've been employing corporate SERVANTS to "get things done" for them and "lead" their other servants). I want a REAL leader that will challenge those in government now to change the existing status quo to no longer anoint corporate money as the ruling party that tells government what to do!

That kind of leadership that Bernie is engaged in is what is getting crowds the size of 28k like he has had here, which a "leader" like Hilary has not come close to (as long as the numbers we are talking are about numbers of *real* people, not the numbers of cash from "corporate people&quot !

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

77. Hillary is no leader. She will be taking her own orders.

[Fawke Em]

83. Well, thousands of people are following.

?itok=xxVBLIDF

Much more that you or Clinton expected.

[ladjf]

41. Your arguments make sense. However, you might not be aware of the fact that

some humans don't "come into the own" until later in life. I'm reminded of a quote by Hokusai, famous Japanese water color painter,

“I have drawn things since I was six. All that I made before the age of sixty-five is not worth counting. At seventy-three I began to understand the true construction of animals, plants, trees, birds, fishes, and insects. At ninety I will enter into the secret of things. At a hundred and ten, everything--every dot, every dash--will live”
― Hokusai Katsushika

The unrest by Americans about the direction of our Government have been growing for years. Carter mentioned the "malaise" of the people. The Occupy Wall Street group was a result of this malaise. Bernie seems to be the first politician willing to take up the banner and kick of the "revolution".

The almighty Establishment is pulling out all stops to prevent the revolution from becoming a dangerous reality for the oligarchs.
Clinton, a dull, unimaginative leader has been chosen as the best choice for the necessary "flunky" in office. She has proven over and over that she will "cooperate for money". How Americans could be aware of her past performance with regard to accepting fees for favoritism is beyond any reasonable explanation.

But, whether or not the revolution has enough mass to move ahead and win this election remains to be seen.
The French Revolution took about 50 years of events before it became a reality.

We have several "block vote" groups that are tending toward supporting the Establishment candidates. It seems to be their read on the situation that the Establishment candidates will do more for them than would Bernie.

I believe that the miscalculation in their thinking is that ALL Americans who aren't billionaires are at risk and are being fleeced by the rich. It is a case of "the high tide floats all boats". If the oligarchs can be controlled , all Americans will have more money,
freedom, education and health benefits.

[gregcrawford]

55. Patently false statements.

The true measure of legislator's skill and knowledge is NOT how many pointless bills he sponsors, but how effectively he serves his constituency. I know from first-hand experience that Senator Sanders has few rivals in that regard.

I have no way of knowing who fed you that line of nonsense disparaging Bernie's abilities in forming coalitions, but they lied to you. For years even Republicans have praised his willingness to work with others to get things done. Just because he's not some self-serving glory hound always looking for a camera, does not mean he can't get things done. And he was a very effective leader when he was the mayor of Burlington; the city benefited greatly from his leadership.

[DrDan]

60. well then, how many endorsements does he have from the Senate

and I will decide what constitutes a legislative leader for myself, thank you

[mac56]

64. Your sig line is interesting

in the context of this conversation.

Just sayin'.

[JimDandy]

73. That's sort of in-your-face statement just goes to show how very well suited Clinton

and her supporters are for each other.

[Rilesome]

80. And millions of us,

Will decide what constitutes a real progressive/democratic leader.

[dpatbrown]

59. And do you really think,

that if Clinton was president, she would be able to work with Congress??? Not in your wildest dreams. So please, all this BS about Sanders not being able to get anything done as our president is ridiculous. The GOP would have their knives out from day one of a Clinton presidency.

[freddyt]

53. How many successful bills

did Hillary write? Other than to name a post office, that is.

[MJJP21]

103. How many

bills did Hillary write? Whatever Hillary had her hand in it turned sour. She started out as an admitted Goldwater Girl and her history has shown her to not have strayed far from what she claimed to believe way back then. Her and Bill are from the Walmart state of Arkansas and Hillary sat on the board of Walmart. She most assuredly agreed with how Walmart ran and runs their business.

[JustAnotherGen]

3. Are there any specific parts of the New Deal you would like to see brought back?

Like the FHA policies?

[leftofcool]

4. Which "New Deal" policies do you want to see brought back?

[scottie55]

6. How About Taxing The Wealthy Their Fair Share

And putting millions to work with good jobs rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure.

GI Bill For All?

I could go on....

[monicaangela]

9. How about Social Security...

The First Hundred Days


Roosevelt’s quest to end the Great Depression was just beginning. Next,he asked Congress to take the first step toward ending Prohibition—one of the more divisive issues of the 1920s—by making it legal once again for Americans to buy beer. (At the end of the year, Congress ratified the 21st Amendment and ended Prohibition for good.) In May, he signed the Tennessee Valley Authority Act into law, enabling the federal government to build dams along the Tennessee River that controlled flooding and generated inexpensive hydroelectric power for the people in the region. That same month, Congress passed a bill that paid commodity farmers (farmers who produced things like wheat, dairy products, tobacco and corn) to leave their fields fallow in order to end agricultural surpluses and boost prices. June’s National Industrial Recovery Act guaranteed that workers would have the right to unionize and bargain collectively for higher wages and better working conditions; it also suspended some antitrust laws and established a federally funded Public Works Administration.

In addition to the Agricultural Adjustment Act, the Tennessee Valley Authority Act, and the National Industrial Recovery Act, Roosevelt had won passage of 12 other major laws, including the Glass-Steagall Banking Bill and the Home Owners’ Loan Act, in his first 100 days in office. Almost every American found something to be pleased about and something to complain about in this motley collection of bills, but it was clear to all that FDR was taking the “direct, vigorous” action that he’d promised in his inaugural address.


The Second New Deal


Despite the best efforts of President Roosevelt and his cabinet, however, the Great Depression continued–the nation’s economy continued to wheeze; unemployment persisted; and people grew angrier and more desperate. So, in the spring of 1935, Roosevelt launched a second, more aggressive series of federal programs, sometimes called the Second New Deal. In April, he created the Works Progress Administration (WPA) to provide jobs for unemployed people. WPA projects weren’t allowed to compete with private industry, so they focused on building things like post offices, bridges, schools, highways and parks. The WPA also gave work to artists, writers, theater directors and musicians. In July 1935, the National Labor Relations Act, also known as the Wagner Act, created the National Labor Relations Board to supervise union elections and prevent businesses from treating their workers unfairly. In August, FDR signed the Social Security Act of 1935, which guaranteed pensions to millions of Americans, set up a system of unemployment insurance and stipulated that the federal government would help care for dependent children and the disabled.

In 1936, while campaigning for a second term, FDR told a roaring crowd at Madison Square Garden that “The forces of ‘organized money’ are unanimous in their hate for me—and I welcome their hatred.” He went on: “I should like to have it said of my first Administration that in it the forces of selfishness and of lust for power met their match, [and] I should like to have it said of my second Administration that in it these forces have met their master.” This FDR had come a long way from his earlier repudiation of class-based politics and was promising a much more aggressive fight against the people who were profiting from the Depression-era troubles of ordinary Americans. He won the election by a landslide.
http://www.history.com/topics/new-deal

The new deal helped bring us out of the great depression, and yes of course as all things in government some were left behind and compromises had to be made so that it didn't appear that too many minorities were benefiting, but all in all, this was the best deal this country has had for the working man, those of us who have to live under the thumb of those who cater to Wall Street, you know, the ones that signed NAFTA into law, got rid of Glass Steagall, implemented welfare to work, signed the 1994 crime bill and things of that sort. That was the new deal under a democratic president and look where that got us, right into another great depression that we are taught to call a recession. Wake Up America. When will people learn.

[leftofcool]

11. GI Bill for all?

For all Vets or all people?

[libtodeath]

31. How about FDRs 2nd bill of rights?

[hifiguy]

57. All of this a brazilian times.

[fredamae]

5. Are "we" really "Liberals/Progressives"

or are we the old, traditional "Dem Wing of the Dem Party" who have allowed ourselves to be pushed away and into a "labeled box" by those corporate Dem leaders as they dragged the party ever more to the Right since the late 1980's/early 1990's?

[scottie55]

7. Thanks Fred

I am tired of being ignored while my country literally burns.

(I am from the Methow Valley)

http://www.hcn.org/articles/twisp-wildfire-washington-firefighter-deaths-methow-valley

Compromising with climate change deniers is insane.

[fredamae]

10. I agree

being in Oregon- Fire season last year was Insane and Clearly-Mother Nature will NOT be governed and will ignore Any and all compromise.
So, yea....but facts never got in the way for our lawmakers.

[UglyGreed]

19. Winner winner

chicken dinner!!!!!

[KPN]

27. Excellent Question Fred.

We are just the old traditional wing. Thank you for providing perspective.

[fredamae]

32. We are...and I Like "us" :) n/t

[840high]

112. .^that

[tk2kewl]

8. when a leader of the party

Endorses Hillary and puts forth a Republican corpratist for SCOTUS in the same breath I find it impossible to feel any loyalty to Democrats any longer

[scottie55]

12. Sandoval Is A Trick

He will never be appointed.

[tk2kewl]

13. that's fine, but I'm tired of tricks

[SHRED]

17. Bingo!

This "three dimensional chess" is why we don't have a public option and has tied us to expensive private health insurance in a bad way if you are middle class.

[tk2kewl]

20. right? wtf!? lets boldly push what we think is right

if dems are doing anything other than that we just end up with another shit sandwich to choke on

sorry, but i do not have faith that their tricky motives are somehow a means to my end

[erlewyne]

18. Great responses and I agree

Reid shocked me!

My Democratic Party is no more.

[elljay]

23. That may well be

but Obama has shown he is perfectly capable of appointing a Republican, so maybe not. This is the problem I have with the conservadems- I never trust them entirely to promotenourninterests.

[Fuddnik]

28. I've seen dogs do better tricks.

[rhett o rick]

91. Is that intended to be a justification of some kind? When one is negotiating one shouldn't offer

the other side what they want as a beginning.

[fbc]

14. Compromisers? I prefer collaborators.

[Trust Buster]

15. That's exactly how the far Right refers to any reasonable Republican.

Think about that.

[scottie55]

21. Republicans Are Supposed To Be Sabotaging Obama Full Time

And if they compromise they are kicked out of the party.

What a nice little government we have here. Wouldn't want anything to happen to it now would we?

[Trust Buster]

24. I certainly would not want to see Democrats copy from the Republican playbook.

In that we agree.

[FSogol]

26. You are exactly correct. That's how the tea party pushes obstruction and grid locks the country. n/

[WillyT]

25. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

[SoapBox]

30. Way over the "compromise" crap.

[ananda]

33. Hear hear!

Enough of compromise!

[NurseJackie]

70. Yeah! Let's do nothing instead!

[Javaman]

36. there is compromise and there is compromising core values...

I'm tired of people who call themselves dems compromising on core values.

the current lot of dems have compromised our core beliefs to the point where they don't exist anymore.

if you work from a principled position and stay true to traditional democratic beliefs you will get my vote.

feel the Bern.

[GreenPartyVoter]

54. +1

[scottie55]

37. The Problem Is "Our Side" Always Does All The Compromising

They were elected to burn down the government.

Don't expect Tea Party Traitors to ever compromise.

Their vision for America is "The Wasteland" in Road Warrior unfortunately.

Or better yet Elysium.

[PatrickforO]

39. I sure have. Rec.

I was describing myself as a New Deal Democrat back in 08 when I thought Obama would be the next FDR.

I'm sick of getting nickel and dimed by corporate greed heads.

[scottie55]

42. Obama Ran Into 50 Trillion In Concentrated Wealth

They told him "Change My Ass".

And grudgingly tossed a few crumbs his way to impress us while they profited off the "recovery".

Sad But True.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/13/obama-economic-policies-fail-to-turn-trends-hurtin/?page=all

90% went to top 1%.

[PatrickforO]

48. Oh, I know. This wasn't Obama's fault. I've often speculated

that some of the people who really call the shots visited him early in his presidency and told him what they would permit and what they would not. And the racism the guy's had to deal with makes me ashamed of this nation.

I DO hold Obama accountable for his support of TPP, though, because that won't do us a bit of good.

In all, O has been pretty good. The Republicans have shown themselves to be traitors, and the third way people corporatists.

That's why I'm for Bernie. He's not a traitor, he's not a corporatist and he has a great track record of supporting things I support.

On edit: I do believe Obama could have activated us like Bernie wants to, but I'm thinking that isn't really his nature. He's a quiet, decent guy who has focused on getting some good policies in place, but there were (and are, for Bernie) millions of Americans willing to write, email, telephone, march and sign petitions, whatever, to pressure these turds to make changes that benefit the people instead of Wall Street or MIC.

[Yallow]

49. That's Pretty Much How I See It

I supported Obama until TPP.

Then he sold us out 100%.

Darnit.

[hifiguy]

58. Not long ago some DUer said that Obama kept the country from going over the cliff

and that is a fair description, though he did nothing to undo the underlying causes of the problems. He treated the symptoms but scrupulously avoided treating the disease. He has basically governed as the "1980s Republican" he told us he was.

Now it's time to point the ship of state in a new direction that benefis all, rather than the plutocrats alone. Bernie is the only person running who will make this long overdue course correction.

[PatrickforO]

62. Yes, it is, and yes he is.

[Betty Karlson]

45. I've had enough compromise.

We have compromised so much that we might as well call our "official" DNC platform the Retro-Republican Revival.

No thanks.

[olddots]

46. I think it is past the time to get involved

[PatrynXX]

47. Compromise = ACA which was hardly a compromise

it's basically Romneycare, a pure Republican program that was supposed to get the Republicans on board. But hey if Clinton is fine with it, she can keep with the old one. I wanna fix it up to be single payer

[TIME TO PANIC]

52. We've been shit on far too long!

Time to take the party back!

[840high]

113. Yep.

[hifiguy]

56. HRH or any Repug will mark the tenth presidential term of Reaganomics.

Neither Clinton, B. nor Obama did one thing to even try and roll back the voodoo, but did plenty to cement it in place.

[scottie55]

74. I Give PBO Credit

He inherited a mess.

[hifiguy]

76. It is fair to say he did, and that he kept the country from plunging over a cliff.

For that he definitely deserves credit. But after the crisis moment passed he did nothing to change the basic direction of the last 35 years. It's time to go in a new direction.

[blackspade]

65. Rec.

[Enthusiast]

67. Kicked and recommended to the Max! I had enough compromise!

[Dont call me Shirley]

68. K & R

[jwirr]

72. K&R

[Go Vols]

78. Fuck Ronnie Raygun

and what he did to us.

[chknltl]

79. knr nuff said

[silvershadow]

81. I've had it up to here. No more. We are going the other way from here on out. #feelthebern nt.

[ChiciB1]

96. So Many Of Us Know & Will Stand Along With Him, But

SO MANY who ALSO KNOW want to remain in the dark!

I RARELY use the word HOPE because it scares me now more than ever before because it's meaning was changed into something I don't recognize. But I HOPE that the people of this country will WAKE UP IN TIME to see how far we've fallen. NOW is the time to stand up against all that's brought us down.

The question everyone should be asking is... Am I willing to stand up and be counted? Out am I willing to roll over and PLAY DEAD ONE MORE TIME!

[emsimon33]

97. YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

[kgnu_fan]

99. Hilary is a surrogate Republican candidate...

[RoccoR5955]

105. Bingo! n/t

[OhZone]

110. OP sounds a lot like the obstuctionist GOP.

[scottie55]

115. We Will Be Supporting Policies That Are Good For America

Not obstructing for the sake of obstructing.

Big difference.

[OhZone]

157. All or nothing thinking results in nothing. nt

[840high]

111. Rec 222

[Chicago1980]

116. They'll be screwed again if the sit on their lazy butts and not vote again,

like they did in 2010 and 2014 when they didn't get what they wanted when they wanted.

[Populist_Prole]

117. A hunnert' recs for truth and visibility

The pundits framing everything from the status-quo POV are either major tools or curiously ignorant.

[cantbeserious]

121. Compelling Wisdom - Vs - Disheartening Cynicism - The Choice Is Clear

eom

[Carolina]

126. Bravo

Excellent post. And so true. We're sick of being had and seeing Wimpocrats compromise and even surrender without a fight.

Enough is enough...

[Amimnoch]

142. You will unless you also get a new deal congress to go with him.

The 73rd congress.. you know, that congress that passed the 100 days of legislation that made the new deal..

The Senate:
59 Democrats (most hand picked by FDR)
1 Independent (backed by FDR)
36 Republicans (scared shitless of FDR)

The House of Representatives:
313 Democrats (many hand picked by FDR, most linked to FDR and his administration)
117 Republicans (scared shitless by FDR)
5 Independents (haven't found a link yet, but since they went along with the New deal I'm guessing had at least some link to FDR)

FDR, being a Roosevelt, was as close as it came to Aristocracy in the US. He was not a political outsider, and over his political career had built an extremely strong coalition within the party.

Now.. fast forward to today and the 114th congress:
The Senate:
44 Democrats.. that Sanders has worked with for decades.. and still won't even endorse him in a primary.
54 Republicans.. That have built a wall of opposition to anything we want.
2 independents.. one of which IS Bernie.

The House:
188 Democrats.. That Sanders has worked with for decades, and only 4 have stepped up to endorse him.
246 Republicans.. That not only are not onboard with Universal healthcare but seem hell bent on destroying the progress that was made with the ACA.

The 115th congress? Not looking much better. Due to the Scalia death and Republican obstructionism we might actually make some headway in the Senate.. Even with the best of odds though, it won't even be CLOSE to being a New Deal Senate.

If you want to see Sanders plan have a chance at being a success, you might want to start here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MZGzbSWESE8t18GGzrgc2FfL0b5tz-vmNf-F_-w5yN4/htmlview

Unless there's a plan to elect Bernie as king rather than President, the numbers are not there.

However, I'm open to being wrong about this. If there's a path with a congress that I'm not considering show me the numbers?

[Beowulf]

147. The obstructionism argument is a red herring.

In 1993 we reclaimed the presidency and had healthy majorities in the House and Senate. Health Care was Clinton's signature issue. We know Hillary's role in leading the attempt to pass health care legislation. What was proposed was weaker than anything Richard Nixon had proposed and had rejected by a Democratically controlled Congress. The Clintons couldn't get any bill through a Congress controlled by their own party. In 1994 for the first time in decades, the GOP took control of the House. Something that didn't even happen in 1972 or 1984, blowout presidential losses.

In 2009 we reclaimed the White House and had a strong majority in the House, which we finally reclaimed in 2006, and a fillibuster-proof Senate. The ACA was the best the Dems could do, an extremely weak bill that did address a few concerns but far less than what was promised during the 2008 campaign. We lost the House in 2010, the Senate four years later. We still have millions uninsured, costs are still high, premiums rising, co-pays rising, deductibles rising.

Republican obstructionism isn't why we don't have a health care system on par with much of the Western world. It's Democratic duplicity, timidity, and the intransigence of corporate Democrats that are the reasons.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, we won't get fooled again. Maybe Shrub had it right after all.

[Nitram]

150. Beware compromisers? What do you think has been happening for the last 8 years?

That's the motto of Republican Congressmen. That's one reason we have had an obstructionist Congress. Democracy cannot function without compromise because not everyone agrees what is best for the nation.

[giftedgirl77]

151. Jajaja, you should probably tell those ppl showing up to the primaries

that there isn't an online poll to get your candidate to the GE.

[Jester Messiah]

154. Definintely.

We've been pushed far enough. Time to push back.

[raouldukelives]

156. Our owners are every individual invested in Wall St.

Hard to blame them. They all know its outright theft and deceit down the line, but that money, it overrides any inch deep concern about anyone's future but they're own.

Climate change denial, warmongering, racism, for profit health care, education and justice. All trickle down from the top. All championed and bankrolled by every dollar in the markets.

In the race between wealth for themselves or a better world for all, they have all cast a ballot.