Did i wake up on opposite world?

[SwampG8r]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Goblinmonger (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

After reading what clinton supporters are saying about ashley williams and blm here im confused.
Was all the lip.service.paid to blm when it was a wedge against sanders just....lip service?
I am seeing some sad stuff here used to denigrate ms williams by people who were vocal recently in defense of blm.
Some is dog whistle.sad.
I also notice many of our more vocal members have nothing to say anout ms williams experience.at the hands of hillaries security detail dragging here from the room.
Is there a word.for people who act.one way in a situation when it benifits them and another way when it doesnt?

[VulgarPoet]

1. Yes, yes it was.

Also, I think the word you're looking for is "hypocrite".

[peacebird]

26. Exactly.

[Fearless]

2. It was.

[JimDandy]

3. The talking points are out.

Code word: Gangs

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511333301#post42

[NCTraveler]

4. I think you would be in a better position to not use this for points.

And that is exactly what you are doing here. This is so much bigger than the little political points you are trying to gain here. Notice that is what every word you have written is about. Not a single thing about civil rights. Just posters. Really not even a positive word about Williams in your op. Just projection.

I consider that thought process to be the exact opposite of bizarre world as far as du is concerned. Using this issue for cheap points is par for the course and is discussed by POC on this site all the time. Try listening.

As for my thoughts.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1334400

[hobbit709]

9. The applicable word is in reply #1

Nice of you to warn.

[NCTraveler]

13. Agree

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251504091

[randome]

21. Wow.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.[/center][/font][hr]

[SwampG8r]

48. Where specifically do you see non support of blm in that op?

That op.speculates that the only group that benefits from blm being attacked is the rw.

[JTFrog]

59. And there it is. n/t

[SwampG8r]

14. Not my first post on it today 2 praise williams extensively

And the only one about the reaction here.
A reation i am finding a little odd
I have seen ms williams ability to pay questioned by the big defenders.of earlier actions
I have seen ct tossed by posters who mock.others for.ct
Today is a very eye opening day.
When hillaries supporters were piling on sanders for less were you worried then about little points being made or is it just now that scoring little.points is bad?
Proceed.governor

[NCTraveler]

17. I'm sure it's not your first post on this today. nt.

[Bluenorthwest]

72. Not sure what your trip is, but here is what I see as the problem with hypocrisy around activism on

DU. There are a batch of posters to my right who have always shredded LGBT disruptive activist and condemned the tactics they used who were suddenly in favor of those very same tactics when BLM interrupted a Sanders event and who are now back to criticizing BLM activists for confronting Hillary.
I can show you quotes from people saying 'It is always wrong to interrupt, for any reason, only fools do that' who later praised the Seattle interruption and are now back to being against that sort of thing.

Situational ethics are not ethics at all.

[NCTraveler]

73. I have no trip.

And you have perfectly presented what is happening here. Well done.

While the op is taking direct part in what you have said, please point out to where I have ever done that.

[Merryland]

5. Bless Ashley Williams

for being so brave, so articulate, and so persistent!

[LexVegas]

6. Yeah....the word is "Berniebro". nt

[BernieforPres2016]

10. The word for you is "Clintonista". nt

[merrily]

15. Do you have a couple of links to show how supporters of Sanders do a 180 comparable to the one the

OP posted about?

[randome]

24. See post #13 above.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.[/center][/font][hr]

[JTFrog]

60. la la la...

They can't hear you!!!

[retrowire]

63. how is that a 180?

it's basically a post that's concerned for BLM and it explains a fear that BLM was being used to cause a divide.

soooo... it's a speculation post with concern for blm's image...

lol what are you trying to get at?

[SwampG8r]

58. Does my op fulfil the requested

Or are its contents misrepresented?

[merrily]

7. You did not wake up in opposite world. It's DU's double standards, as usual.

Standard Operating Procedure.

[Thinkingabout]

8. Did you ever see sad stuff posted about BLM?

Personally I don't know what statements are being said about Ms. Williams.

[yourpaljoey]

11. Not Enough Hillary!

There, now all is in order.

[NCTraveler]

12. Please see this to get a better perspective on what bizarro world looks like.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251504091

[merrily]

19. The OP is simply wondering why Hillary supporters seem to have reversed themselves.

Your link has nothing to do with that.

[NCTraveler]

23. I'm a Clinton supporter. Please show me where I have reversed myself as you say.

And that link shows exactly who has done a one hundred percent reversal. That simply isn't an arguable point.

Once again, as a Clinton supporter, show me where I have reversed myself. You won't be able to so don't waste your time looking. I'm a big supporter of BLM. I fully support them protesting our candidates at every turn. On the other hand, you might want to read that link again.

[SwampG8r]

29. Can you tell me

Where i flipped on my support of blm using that op?
I clearly stated my support of the aim of blm in that op
Why are you....mis stating it?

[NCTraveler]

33. It is there for people to read and I would rather just let your own words stand.

People will click that and judge for themselves considering the tone you are carrying this morning.

I don't want to muddy your own words. They are at the link. Here is a direct copy and paste of them.

The greatest ratfuck of all time.

Who benefits?
BLM looks foolish and disorganized.
The wedge being forced into the Sanders campaign of race issues is reaffirmed and strengthens.
Hillary is going to get the blame as it profits her in the short term causing a genuine rift in the party which could lead to a sit out.
BLM will lose needed support by many if successfully painted as active agents of HRC
Wedges driven into white progressive support for BLM .

Wow that is one hell of a days work.
So who will benefit from A A and white liberal voter suppression?

My answer is based on long range thinking.
If I am the right I need to first diminish the impact of a movement resonating with both the aa community and white liberals/progressives.
That's BLM which I believe we ALL support the aims of whoever we are on the bandwagon for.
So every one gets hurt feelings and BLM loses credibility and support.
Sanders again is associated in a vague manner as racist or lacking in leadership on race issues despite a lifetime spent in the pursuit of equality for all.
Hillary will be tarred with this too and in fact it began as soon as it happened. She will have lost forever any hope of many Sanders supporters votes as too many will assume Clinton involvement.

I see a deep right wing attack in hopes of suppressing 2 of our sides most regular and consistent blocs.

Swampg8r

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251504091

[SwampG8r]

38. I dont think you read past the title

[SwampG8r]

44. Tone? Omg

[merrily]

40. Please don't be dishonest. I did not say you reversed yourself.

I said simply what the opening post on this thread says.

[NCTraveler]

45. "wondering why Hillary supporters seem to have reversed themselves."

I appreciate you backing the fact that I have reversed myself in no way.

You wondered out loud and this Clinton supporter simply asked you to show me where I changed. Your statement was clearly absolute.

I appreciate your honesty in saying backing me here.

[merrily]

47. Again. Please don't be dishonest. Your selective quoting is misleading, as you know, or you

would not have omitted words to make your quote misleading.

And I neither said you reversed yourself nor that you did not reverse yourself. I wondered nothing out loud. But, you knew all that.

This was my entire Reply 19.

The OP is simply wondering why Hillary supporters seem to have reversed themselves.

Your link has nothing to do with that.

This is what you falsely claimed Reply 19 says.

Please show me where I have reversed myself as you say.

This was my entire Reply 40.

Please don't be dishonest. I did not say you reversed yourself.

I said simply what the opening post on this thread says.

My reply 40 was very brief and an accurate description of my Reply 19.



Please stop these dishonest posting games. Surely, you're better than the crap you've been trying to pull for no apparent reason.. Please prove me correct about that.

[SwampG8r]

27. Look at the op

The first paragraph is truth.

[merrily]

31. The first paragraph of which OP. This thread that I am posting on as I type, or

the OP to which NC Traveler linked?

And are you saying that my post--the one to which you are replying--is wrong? If so, what is the truth of the matter?

[SwampG8r]

36. The one linked sorry

Everything in the op is supportive of blm and questions who benefits when dems are.divided.
Hell i even gave clinton a pass in that op as being equally used to ratfuck the left.

[merrily]

43. Ok, so nothing was wrong with my post.

[SwampG8r]

50. I dont see what he thinks is there

I have read it over and over and i dont see it other than one guys view of who benefitted long term from blm being used to wedge dems and laid it at the feet of the rw.
I think i was supportive of blm and stated so and i even gave hrc a pass on it.
Maybe because brock is working for hrc he got confused by my laying blame on the rw?

[merrily]

51. I don't know, but his post to me have been nothing but game playing.

I would not get upset if I were you.

[SwampG8r]

52. I have 4 hides and

They have been chomping the bit for.5
One comes off soon so no biggie

[SwampG8r]

25. Yes go and read my t h read and the replies

More than a.few.agreed with me and i still believe that while the rw would not be able to highjack.blm they would be able to publicize the actions of blm in a negative way.
The op you are tryi g to use as a call out and it is a call out (i normally say at this point " that is beneath you" but it wouldnt apply as you show by doing it that it isnt beneath you at all) states deep support for blm and an acknowledgement of thier good and important works.
There are a lot of good responses to that thread.

[NCTraveler]

28. There were a couple of good responses to that op.

Love it. Love the transparency.

[retrowire]

66. I too, would be concerned for BLM being used in a way

that would damage their image. Swampg8r wrote a good OP.

but you think it means something else dontcha?

[NCTraveler]

68. And clearly, by anyones standards, their image was not damaged in any way after NRN....

Outside of those who already ranted against such groups.

It was truly a thing of beauty, completely changed the Sanders campaign the very next day, and they have been a major player in our primary since that point. Truly beautiful.

That op is as plain as could be. It's obvious.

I don't see the "damage" that was done. Seems you do. Not only do I not see damage, I see it was a springboard for them. For all of us. For civil rights.

[retrowire]

74. oh no doubt that what they did was beneficial

to the democratic race as a whole.

words in my mouth eh? I see damage done to BLM? lmao I'll wait while you grasp straws to elaborate that claim. XD

to help you out though, I merely pointed out that the op was concerned it would make BLM look disorganized and reckless and maybe you don't recall but there were several articles and even mentions on TV suggesting how BLM was being "rude". Tone Policing was the new term on the block at the time as well so it doesn't help your case to pretend it didn't put a bad light on BLM for the moment.

BLM is a great movement for our time and like similar movements before it, it's getting cast in a bad light all the time. swampg8r's op was clearly concerned about that.

make of it what you will, you already misinterpreted me as seeing BLM as "damaged" without me ever implying such lol.

[NCTraveler]

76. "what they did was beneficial"

One hundred percent.

[retrowire]

78. gonna take back your comment implying that i think that blm is damaged? nt

[NRaleighLiberal]

16. fortunately I don't see much of it because I've got 200 of em on ignore. n/t

[VulgarPoet]

18. I only have 25 of them.

Maybe I need to fix that.

[merrily]

22. Serious question: Is there a limit on how many people each of us can put on ignore?

[PonyUp]

32. Doesn't look like it, if he's got 200 of them on ignore.

I think you can block 5 individual members from serving on a jury against you though.

[merrily]

37. He may not have been speaking literally. As I donor, I can put 15 on a jury blacklist.

I don't know how many non-donors can blacklist.

[PonyUp]

42. I just checked. Non-donor can add 5. n/t

[NRaleighLiberal]

67. It is real literally. 200.

[merrily]

69. LOL! You must think DU is a peaceful little board.

[VulgarPoet]

77. Dios mio, you are one lucky soul.

I don't have the patience or the temper to trawl through that group for people to add to my ignore list.

[Old Codger]

53. I just counted

And I have 213 on ignore,if I happen to look at their group I usually only see 2 or 3 posts.

[PonyUp]

55. Wow, that's a bunch! n/t

[Old Codger]

57. Makes my day

Much less stressful not being tempted to see what the latest line of crap is .. visits here are much more enjoyable.

[artislife]

79. It is true. There are some who will remain on ignore

They are here to enflame.

[Dragonfli]

20. No it is not opposite world, it is a wedge thing and an old aristocratic strategy

Of pitting one group of serfs against another in order to keep them fighting against each other rather than their true enemy, their common enemy. They wish us divided because when we unite, the top .01% in power are in great danger of losing it. (they often use suckers among the serfdom to foster the fighting among ourselves.)

After all, the 99% create all the wealth while the one percent own it, they need us to fight each other rather than them if they are to continue with this absurd distribution.

I go into detail about the divide and conquer strategy in greater length here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280123066

[oasis]

30. Opposite world? Yes. If you saw any person being "dragged" from a room.

[EdwardBernays]

34. They were for it

Before they were against it.

[BillZBubb]

35. The hypocrisy runs deep in Lake Hillary.

Nothing new here.

[Indepatriot]

39. They have simply "devolved" on the issue, like their Hypocritical Queen....

..."LIP SERVICE" should be the tag on her campaign gear...."Hillary 16'...Lip Service"

[Fuddnik]

62. I'm tempted to make that a sig line.

[madokie]

41. Hypocritical

is the word that comes to mind
You can bet that once Bernie takes the oath the same people will be all beside themselves finding fault with him same as they did to Obama. I've been here a long time and I do pay attention to who says what. I have a memory like an elephant

[democrank]

46. "Bring them to heel."

Think about that for a minute. Think about what Clinton supporters would have said about such a statement had it been attributed to Bernie Sanders or...say...a Republican.

You either stand for something or you don`t.

[billhicks76]

61. Horrible Words

Makes people sound like untrained animals.

[Arazi]

49. Bernie has taken months of shit here for what happened at NN

Now wirh HRC and a far uglier event?

Crickets

Opposite world indeed

[Cleita]

56. "Was all the lip.service.paid to blm when it was a wedge against sanders just....lip service?"

You've got it. Now you see for yourself the nature of the person you referenced.

[BlueMTexpat]

64. OK, I'll bite.

Exactly which HRC supporters are saying anything bad about Ashley Willams and BLM and what exactly have they said?

I know I'm not and haven't ever for either. No HRC supporter I know has posted anything against Ms Williams that I have seen so far.

Creating false memes against HRC supporters - now that is something that I have seen a LOT of.

[Arazi]

71. HRC posters aren't saying anything bad about Hillary's treatment of Ashley Williams

Bernie Sanders has been (unjustifiably imo since he was supremely respectful) excoriated for months over what happened at NN

HRC acts really rudely and suddenly HRC supporters are all crickets about her behavior

[BlueMTexpat]

75. Sorry, but you were not the one who

posted this OP. The OP did not say what you have said, which is something different.

But keep moving those goalposts ... and I still haven't seen anything that says that HRC supporters are "all crickets about her behavior."

[thereismore]

65. Hillary said "All lives matter" but got away with it. She said "Then I'll just talk to white people"

and got away with it.

This is not going to go away. She is her worst enemy.

[Vote2016]

70. Hillary respects her firewall. That's African American voters to her: a firewall protecting her and

her ambitions.

Just like Bill threw Jocelyn Elders and Sista Soulja under the bus, Hillary will discard her firewall when she's done with it. BLM to Hillary because they are her firewall.

[Goblinmonger]

80. I'm locking

It was the consensus of the hosts that this violated the SoP as disruptive meta-discussion.

Thank you.