Chris Matthews just set Biden up to fail tonight...

[Drunken Irishman]

And also has laid the foundation for the narrative. He said Biden needs a clear victory ... not just a victory ... but a clear one or this is a big loss for Obama.

Clear victories happen, but they're rare. Again, the media has set the bar so low for the Republicans that all they have to do is not trip over it to win. That's essentially telling Biden the only way he can 'win' this thing is by hurdling the Empire State Building.

What ridiculous expectations ... and of course, Michael Steele agrees smugly with Matthews. While I have no doubt Chris is pushing for an Obama win, his actions these past two weeks have been devastating to the campaign. Someone should tape his mouth shut.

Yeesh.

[DURHAM D]

1. I have heard two people on MSNBC say that

the whole election is now on Joe.

[TroyD]

2. Which is ridiculous

[Mutiny In Heaven]

21. By saying it, they've made it so

If the consensus is that he is beaten badly tonight, I think it's essentially over; there's only so much momentum you can push back against.

I fear - and suspect - that Ryan will pull out an "Apple Pie" of a performance, all fluttering eyes and earnest words in order to woo the media and by extension, the tens of millions who think what they're told to by these people.

[Maraya1969]

45. Will they get the message to cut it out if you tweet them?

Edit - if someone give me his tweet address I'll send him something. My twitter account does not work in search mode.

[Whisp]

92. I'm starting to hate them all.

it's a game to them. I'm sure their salaries are above average of the regular schmuck who has a lot running on this election - they'll probably keep their jobs no matter who wins.

fuck em all.
for today, and maybe until election day FUCK THEM ALL. in caps.

[Mr.Bill]

3. I've always been a Matthews fan,

but he's gone full idiot since the last debate.

[rhett o rick]

49. I have never been a Matthews fan. nm

[nc4bo]

4. He's working my last nerve. I wish his show didn't repeat.

I don't know what it is about Chris Matthews - just ugh........

[JI7]

5. i wish Keith was still there

[WI_DEM]

10. Me too. I like Rachel, but she is just too much in love with the

idea of reportinig on election nights--'ooh, it's just so exciting' and doesn't give enough analysis. Tweety and Ed get too wacked out if things don't go their way and give up too easily.

[Drunken Irishman]

20. Sharpton will be there, right?

[JudyM]

97. +100 nt

[WI_DEM]

6. yeah, right--'not just a victory but a clear victory' give it up, Tweety!

[FrenchieCat]

7. Means, I won't be watching MSNBC after the debate.....

Cause Tweety ain't the one that is gonna decide my future.....
I didn't vote for him, nor elected him for any office,
and therefore, I just can't give a FUCK of what he says, PERIOD!

[babylonsister]

8. I don't know how 'devastating'; people who watch m$nbc pretty much

have their minds made up, I think. I don't think anyone takes what Matthews says as gospel; he's been wrong and way over-dramatic a lot.

[Drunken Irishman]

11. The thing is, Matthews freak out after the last debate got more play nationally than anyone else...

It was even lampooned on SNL. He sums up the liberal freak out that settled in over the last few days after the debate. I fear he's setting up for another freak out moment.

Why set expectations so high so that they can never be met?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

19. But the point is, he's being lampooned.

If he's being lampooned it means that the lampooners aren't taking him seriously. I sure don't, especially when he's having one of his hissy fits. He's just as stupid when he predicts Götterdämmerung for the Democrats as he was when Bush gave him a boner for wearing a flight suit on an aircraft carrier.

[Drunken Irishman]

24. Except when everyone on the left takes their cues from him and freak out...

As they did a week ago. Then it becomes much deeper of the ideology.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

34. In that case, "everyone on the left" needs to take a deep breath

and start thinking for themselves instead of letting some overinflated talking head whip them into an entirely unwarranted frenzy of despair. I get really sick of these overpaid gasbags making themselves the story instead of objectively reporting, and I get equally sick of seeing people take them so seriously.

Opinions are like assholes; everybody's got one.

Also, did you know that "pundit" is a Sanskrit word meaning "wise man"? The hell...

[2on2u]

72. Didn't know and certainly don't believe it.... not the pundits I've seen, nope. n/t

[treestar]

87. +1

We need to find the Sanskrit word for "overpaid gasbag."

[patrice]

36. What calls itself "the Left" (NOT Liberals) is busy base-building at all costs, hence the Tweety

echoes with some help from certain harvesters in the ethersphere that include quite a bit more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ than the authentic Left can pony up.

[rhett o rick]

50. I doubt if anyone on the "Left" take clues from Matthews. nm

[Drunken Irishman]

58. Doubt all you want ... I saw it here...

The initial reaction during the debate was that Romney was winning, but Obama was holding his own. Some people were angry, and yes, some were saying Obama is getting his butt kicked ... but on the whole, the tone was all right. Then the debate ended and Matthews, Maddow and Schultz went into freak out mode, slamming Obama, saying how awful he was ... attacking him left and right and that's when I noticed an uptick in the freak out here.

They do drive the message. People do watch these shows and formulate an opinion based on their reaction.

[adigal]

90. You are correct...I was here and watching at the same time, and while no one thought

Obama was doing great, more people were talking about Romney's rude behavior and lies. Until MSNBC folks freaked - then I had to get off this site, it was nuts.

[rhett o rick]

99. I think it unwise to disparage the left during election season. What do you expect to gain?

Are you trying to alienate the left? And if you arent the left, who are you? On what issues do you disagree with the left?

[patrice]

60. It's not about what clues they take, but about how anything done in the etheresphere CAN

be given resonance if you have the money to "ride the gain".

[patrice]

65. e.g. Benghazi, Libya. nt

[babylonsister]

25. In your defense, I just read

this on FB. So maybe I'm wrong; I can only speak for myself. Matthews' opinion won't be swaying me though I also wish he'd dial it down several notches.


To Ed Schultz and Chris Matthews:

I think you and Ed Schultz did terrible harm to President Obama during the debate. He didn't have a good night, but Romney spent the entire time lying and blustering. DId you report that? No, the two of you chastised the President, and made the entire matter worse. People get their opinions from pundits, as the masses don't bother to think for themselves. You two helped Romney, and should be ashamed to call yourself progressives. The only one I still respect, who took the time to defend what President Obama DID, as opposed to what Romney didn't do and lied was Al Sharpton. I hope this time you two support the President, by supporting Joe Biden, and not be a surrogate for Fox News. Otherwise, what is the point of progressives watching MSNBC???

[Drunken Irishman]

38. That's my biggest problem...

The left set the narrative quick that Romney got a game-changer and that Obama did awful and how he royally fucked up. No discussion on Romney's lies ... no nothing.

I also watched CNN after the debate and they were pretty clear Romney won, but it was far more calm and they played it up that while Romney won, it wasn't necessarily a decisive blow. Then James Carville, who can be very sobering about Obama, said, "You know, the President didn't have a great night ... but he did okay..." or something like that.

But people on the left started freaking out ... as was MSNBC ... and it kind of snowballed from there. Initial reaction to the debate wasn't that Obama did awful, it was just that Romney was stronger than expected. But as the dust settled, and guys like Schultz and Matthews hit and hit and hit, more and more people, it seems, started saying it was a devastating debate.

[babylonsister]

46. OK, so who/what will you be watching tonight, CSPAN? Might be the way to go. nt

[Drunken Irishman]

51. I'll switch back and forth...

I'll even watch MSNBC to see if Matthews is having another freak out.

[babylonsister]

56. I guess we're all somewhat caught up in all this drama, but I have

faith VP Biden will do just fine. Enjoy!

[rogrot]

80. The simple fact is: Obama Screwed Up, period

There's so much at stake in this election and no excuse that the POTUS checked out for the first debate. Clinton would not have done that, Teddy didn't do that. And you guys are blaming Matthews and other MSNBC talking heads. He stood up there beside Romney and let Romney push him around, could barely look him in the eye. No excuse. It was almost like he was on weed.

Why blame Matthews and criticize him for being emotional? It makes me sick how apologetic the left is.

I bet $10K Biden doesn't do that with Ryan. We'll soon see.

[Drunken Irishman]

83. That isn't the simple fact...

But thanks for telling me. It's always interesting that so many new posters have popped up telling us how awful Obama was...

[rogrot]

95. Not awful, just absent. As POTUS, he's been superb. He should have capitalized on that fact! n/t

[renate]

89. I think Chris got so worked up because Obama had been handed so much to work with

I was pretty upset too. I thought the same thing you did--that it was almost like Obama was on weed. He's such a whip-smart guy and it was just weird that he didn't say "Wait. Stop. Back up just a minute. It isn't true about taxes/preexisting conditions/anything. Tell the American people the truth."

But he was sandbagged, I think--who could have expected Massachusetts Mitt to make an appearance after having been gone for the past four or five years? He wasn't prepared for somebody to just flat out lie. Not spin, lie.

Welcome to DU!

[Indpndnt]

81. +1M

Exactly this.

[graham4anything]

31. this shows why all Obama fans need to say Biden won. Say it now. Say it loud. Say it often.

should have happened last week

any and all need to stay 100% positive.

Matthews is exploiting himself, is being exploited and unfortunately, Matthews is the nationwide MSNBC Obama fan(whether he is or isn't matters little).

so if Matthews says it, people nationwide believe Obama lost last week Biden this week, Obama next week.

Me, I think Obama won.

[treestar]

85. The freepers use it to say even the Democrats don't like their candidates

We never catch Rush doing that so we don't get to gloat that way.

[hrmjustin]

9. I just turned him off. I am so sick and tired of this anti-biden stuff.

Joe will kick ass tonight. Chris Matthews needs to remember who's team he is on, if he is on our team.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

12. Yes, but how many people actually listen to Chris Matthews?

Everybody knows Tweety is prone to bouts of hysteria, symptoms of which are, in him, much more spectacular than buboes on a plague victim. He's not capable of "devastating" the campaign - he's just another talking head, and an erratic one at that. I just can't imagine Plouffe or Axelrod or Obama going "OH NOES!! Matthews is ruining everything!!!" What I can imagine is that they don't pay much attention at all to various pundits' entirely predictable fits of the vapors.

[Drunken Irishman]

14. Normally I agree...

But Matthews freak out last week after the debate got national play and kind of summed up the liberal angst we saw post-debate.

It's just not needed, you know?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

27. But who is it that's talking about Tweety's foolishness?

Other fools, that's who. The pundits have made themselves the story; they are just reporting on each other and what each other is thinking, so it's turned into nothing but a big media circle jerk.

[Drunken Irishman]

41. Considering most on the left watches MSNBC ... he's got a strong foot in the door.

DU was calm in the initial reaction to the debate. Some people were disappointed ... others felt it was a draw and some even believed Obama won. Then Matthews gets on and just absolutely freaks out and it was as if he opened the flood gates here on DU because everyone here started freaking out ... and then liberals on twitter started freaking out and it really snowballed from there.

Had MSNBC taken a calculated approach in the moments after the debate, said that Romney won, but didn't get the game-changer, talked up Romney's lies, fact checked everyone ... then I think it would've trickled down to all of us and the panic wouldn't have been near severe. But because it was, the narrative set in across the political landscape that Obama not only lost ... he lost badly. And all they had to do was point to the freak out we were seeing from Democrats.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

71. Then people need to STOP FREAKING THE FUCK OUT just because Tweety does!

Matthews and the other gasbags told us Obama went down in flames AND WE FUCKING BELIEVED THEM! I thought Obama's performance was not especially strong - I know he's capable of better - but I couldn't figure out where the OH NOES WE'RE DOOMED OBAMA SCREWED THE POOCH THAT WAS JUST HORRIBLE JUST KILL ME NOW crap on DU was coming from until I realized it was straight from the mouths of our "friends" on MSNBC (whom I had not been watching, either during the debate or after).

My point is, just because Tweety has pissed himself on national television is no reason for us to do likewise. Don't watch the pundits. Watch the debates on CSPAN or some other commentator-free source. Bed-wetting should not be a contagious disease; let Tweety wash his own damn sheets.

[flamingdem]

29. That kind of show of emotion puts the blame back on Democrats for the "mess" in congress etc.

as in "Oh look at them fight amongst themselves, this proves they are incompetent and flakey".

[hrmjustin]

30. he gets between 500,000 -1,000,000 depending on whether it is an election year.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

48. The U.S. has a population of about 312 million, of whom about 250 million are adults.

At most, one out of 250, or .4%. Big whoop.

[hrmjustin]

61. he is mainly an inside the beltway audience kind of guy. wants to impress people.

he was going to run for the senate. I stopped watching him after his meltdown.

[treestar]

91. It's part of the overall weight of the evidence

Everyone going around saying Rmoney "won" because of Tweety, Rachel and Ed plus CNN and FAUX, and then it started getting repeated and before we know it, it becomes a "fact."

We already knew Rush, Hannity, and the others, much more numerous, were going to say our candidate lost. Why we need so called liberal pundits to agree with that I'll never know. Rush would never agree that Mitt lost no matter what. We don't have anyone like that. And if they influence others at all, we need some too.

[AlinPA]

13. Matthews is a loud mouthed, slobbering fool.

[elleng]

15. Of COURSE he did.

Idiot.
Learning about 'brains' on PBS.

[DemzRock]

16. And you wonder why I gave up on MsNBC. n/t

[MSMITH33156]

17. Just do what the Republicans would do

Regardless of what happens, declare a clear, resounding victory. And then have everyone repeat it. That's what drives the narrative. The major fallout of the first debate was as much do to the Democratic gloom as the actual debate itself. This goes for the other 3 debates. Whatever happens, act like our guy won handily, and then you won't even see poll movement. Status quo = another term for Obama.

[valerief]

18. They don't call him Tweety just because he has a big yellow head. nt

[patrice]

22. Mathews doesn't do nuance. There are no devils in the details for him, because he's rich. It's all

about self-aggrandizement I-predicted-____________________ , just like you see from certain factions around here sometimes.

[rogrot]

23. Chris Matthews is one of the few talking heads who has a brain.

Chill, DI! Biden is a seasoned politician and a very, very likable, down-to-earth guy. He won't put up with RW BS. He will be engaged and invested. I have an inkling that Ryan's record in the house and on the budget committee, including his idiotic budget proposal will come up a lot tonight. I'm really looking forward to it!

Obama by a landslide in the popular vote!!

[hrmjustin]

32. welcome to DU!

[rhett o rick]

53. Matthews loves to hear himself speak. He embarassed himself by kissing George W. Bush's

behind so many times.

[gkhouston]

67. He must hide it well. n/t

[flamingdem]

26. thanks D.I. I'm so furious that flakey Tweety has this much power to represent our side

and to manipulate the narrative.

A repuke pundit would NEVER go there.

His mandate is to pump conflict, negativity and himself at our expense.

[chille1]

28. F_ _ k Chris Mathews !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He is the Rethugicans October Surprise. We where waiting for something from Mittwitt or Fixed news ,But what we got was Chris Mathews ,Ed Shultz ,Racheal Maddow , I advise all to boycott M.S.N.B.C ,From now until the election ,and advise any undecideds you might come across to avoid these shills at all cost!!!!!!!!!!! they where saying the same BS leading up to the Presidential debate ,Thay are Mittwitts silent partners ,Mark my words according to these three and of course Steve dipsmit the freindly Rethug for M.S,N.B.C .No matter what V.P Biden does they will spin it in Mittwitts Favor we must stay Focused now,We must have faith in us not in them We must report the the truth Social Media ,Door to Door ,any chance you get let somone know the truth its up to us !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hrmjustin]

33. welcome to DU and try Current TV if you can get it.

[Liberalynn]

76. Amen

I watch Current

[global1]

35. Matthews And Schultz Have Collectively Done More Harm To Obama Since The Debate....

then anything or anyone. They both need to be muzzled. They are aiding and abetting Rmoney/Ryan.

[Blue Idaho]

37. Tweety is off my TV set...

So is Big Ego, Andrea Mitchell, and even Maddow is day to day.

I am so sick and tired of the carefully choreographed M$M narrative they have been developing since the first debate I have lost all interest in feeding their media monster.

[fugop]

39. Ditto!

Shame, too. I enjoy their coverage when they're nor running around like Chicken Littles. But I turned them off for good now. They're dead to me. They need a Keith Olberman to show them how to stand strong.

[Ikonoklast]

40. People here forget, their job is to generate controversy if there is none.

The ONLY reason they are on the tube is to generate ad revenue for their bosses.

[Blue Idaho]

47. True! The American media model is not always well understood...

The M$M is not there to bring programming to an audience, it is there to bring and audience to advertisers.

Tweety, Big Ego, Rachel, and the rest only care about putting asses in seats - nothing more, nothing less.

[flamingdem]

52. What they claim is "professional" is really "giant ego"

They've gotten too full of themselves

[Cali_Democrat]

42. What a doosh.

[fugop]

43. Screw 'em

They tried their damnedest to declare Palin the winner four years ago, but voters weren't buying it. Let's hope Joe gives it to 'em straight tonight and takes Ryan (along with the media blabberers) to the woodshed.

[budkin]

44. I never thought debates mattered until last week

Then again Obama probably had the worst debate performance in modern history. Joe will be fine.

[fugop]

54. FAIL!

Again with the "worst debate ever" bs. If you think Obama was worse than dubya's bumbling stumbling performance vs. Kerry, you must be completely new to politics.

And you're part of the problem!

[budkin]

94. Seriously. Obama got his clock cleaned. The numbers prove it. But he WILL bounce back!

Dubya sucked in the first debate but it didn't have anywhere near the impact that this debate did. Obama had basically put the race away before that debate. Anyway, he'll still win, but he needs to fight the next two debates. Not sit there, stare at the podium and let Romney lie his ass off.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

57. Actually, he didn't. It wasn't great but it wasn't horrible.

After a week of ranting by the "liberal" media we have been told to think it was the equivalent of the loser in a middle school debate competition among kids who flunked 7th grade. But it wasn't. Obama was not prepared for Mitt's unprecedented onslaught of lies, and he probably should have been, but he didn't lose his temper, forget his facts or vomit on his shoes. That would be terrible. What we saw was fair; we think it totally sucked only because we were told it totally sucked by hysterical buffoons like Tweety.

[flamingdem]

59. Our side as represented by Tweety, Ed, Rachel MADE it matter more than it has to be

If they had held the line at all by pointing out Lehrer's weakness and Romney's uber lying there would have been a more measured reaction among the other pundits.

Once they created that narrative, with so much emotion behind it (tweety and ed) it spread like wildfire.

WE CANNOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN EVER AGAIN

[smorkingapple]

55. FOLKS THIS IS THE REALITY

A tie is not good enough. We need a clear win.

You'll be satisfied with just a tie after last week? You don't want Biden to smash Ryan tonight? Seriously?

[flamingdem]

62. The problem is that a debate is not a game, the MSM can declare Ryan a winner

just as easily as Joe.

We need to push back and support our own for what they can do and what they mean to us.

[Drunken Irishman]

63. NO IT IS NOT

There is a difference between a tie, a victory and a clear victory. Rarely do candidates get a clear victory ... especially in VP debates.

And this isn't about not wanting Biden to smash Ryan ... but the narrative Matthews set is clear ... if Biden doesn't get a knockout, he loses.

I disagree. I think Biden just needs to win ... no huge, monumental ... historic victory. That's asking WAY too much.

[smorkingapple]

74. A clear win is a KO, given the context of Obama's dreadful debate last week.

that's all im saying. A tie or something Republicans can spin as a victory doesn't blunt the momentum they have.

[polichick]

68. True - Chris was talking about the media game.

[Skraxx]

73. I Have a Feeling that no Matter What Happens Youll Say Biden Sucked

Call it a hunch.

[ancianita]

64. Matthews can't hang through the tough stuff.

He turned on Obama so hard after the first debate. Al Sharpton shook the whole lot of them out of their blubbering stupor and made Matthews look like a peevish whiner. Matthews is doing the journalistically expedient thing. No wonder Obama doesn't watch MSNBC.

[desertduck]

66. look, chris. chill the fuck out. msnbc has great ratings. no need to create more drama. this is

absolutely ABSURD. but with all the ryan lies, it shouldn't be that hard to nail the punk to his lies. seriously. take a deep breath. the american psyche only has a 30second attention span. this is only good for a few days, anyways...untl be prep for the next debate. honestly...such melodrama....

[Pirate Smile]

69. He sure as hell did. I heard it. Our allies act like

fucking enemies. He learned NOTHING this week.

[Fitterjack74]

70. I have to admit....it's true!

I'm not going to go on a long narrative about this, I'm simply going to say its true about Chris Mathews. It seems like ever since the first debate he's been riding Romney' coat tail. What I don't get is why? I'm sure he's on the side of Obama, it's just that I'm not hearing it lately.

[fugop]

79. Because he loves him some macho man bullcrap!

Remember his fawning over Bush in the flightsuit?

[Hoyt]

75. I'm voting for Obama even if Biden shows up drunk.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

77. Here's what we can do about that: make MSNBC's ratings go down and watch C-SPAN instead!

I'm serious about this. I hate spin. And I typically watch everything on C-SPAN anyway so that I don't have to deal with all the "shaping of public opinion" that goes on in the so-called punditry.

I'm sure that I'm in the minority on this, but I believe that turning off the talking heads would do so much for our collective blood pressure and sanity.

[cheezmaka]

78. Chris Matthews is TOO EMOTIONAL

He's been like that since the 2000 election. When Al Gore conceded the election to Bush on television, Chris Matthews looked like he was about "to cry"...

[Summer Hathaway]

82. Matthews' opinion of anything

is as relevant to me as the opinions of all the other squawking MSM politicos - meaning not relevant at all.

I'm sure the 'media narrative' for tonight's debate has already been etched in stone - just like the narrative following the Obama/Romney debate was decided upon long before the debate ever started.

Media whores will say anything they perceive as being a potential boost to their ratings.
The fact that people actually take them the least bit seriously is mind-boggling.

[treestar]

84. It depends

If the horse race is not close enough, he's going to say Biden did not get a clear victory. So even if Biden "wins" it may be by not enough.

If he's decided the horse race is close enough, he will use this to set up saying Biden had a clear victory and so now the race is closer - the polls showed Rmoney ahead 2 points, so maybe they need to back off this time and go the other way.

[Deep13]

86. Biden has two obstacles to overcome--

1. the fact that no one really cares who the VP is and 2. Obama's lack-luster performance in the previous debate.

[JudyM]

98. ... plus the likelihood that Ryan will be lyin. The prez didn't want to be "impolite"... quandry

for Biden... can't look like an a**hole or he'll turn people further off.

IMO he should treat Ryan like the punk he is and smear him with foreign policy know-how.

[otohara]

88. When The Debate Ends - We're Watching A Movie

I don't care what movie it is, as long as it's not the pundits and their invited "experts".

How Steve what's his name, who picked Sarah Palin and now works for MSNBC - is considered an expert on anything is a mystery.

You know who lives in a bubble?
Those who work for in radio, TV, print.
I speak from experience.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

93. I never watch those guys

any of them. I'm not sure he has as much influence on things as you might think. Most of the time, when I did watch, I thought Chris was kind of a big windbag anyhow. Who cares what he says?

[courseofhistory]

96. I wish

ALL the loudmouth pundits who make their livings off of creating controversy would STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GeorgeGist]

100. Chris is just arrogant enough ...

to believe he can push the " horserace ($$$)" meme and Obama will still win.



Nonetheless, it's mostly about the size of his paycheck.

[GreenStormCloud]

101. Nobody really pays attention to the VP debates.

Except for political junkies, which all of us that post here are.

In 1988 Dan Quayle was a disaster in the VP debates, yet Bush beat the stuffings out of Dukakias. Duke started the campaign with a huge lead and by election had blown it.

I decided then that the VP debates were mere entertainment. I still watch them, but I don't get excited about them.

[Drunken Irishman]

102. A lot has changed since 1988, tho...

The media is a completely different animal. In '88, CNN was the only cable news network and they were actually about hard hitting news ... not this sensationalist bullshit we see today. So, with cable news, blogging, twittering, facebooking driving the narrative ... the debates seem to have a bigger impact than we would like to think.

[trayfoot]

103. I have had to turn Chris off to preserve my sanity!

He needs to get a grip on his mouth!

[DonCoquixote]

104. The fact is

Ed, Tweety, to a lesser extent, Micke Moore, all want a sort of democrat, the mythical working class white person that talks blunt and loud, because people like that. They even worked very, very hard to turn Hillary into that, despite the fact that even her Hubby coull not pur enough sauce over that to make it palatable. Of course, they ignore the fact that if they ran, they would get creamed.

Current= Former Governor Jennifer Granholm
MsNBC=Inside the beltway reporters and shock jocks..

[morningfog]

105. At least after tonight we won't have to hear about romney's goddamn fucking brilliant

debate performance. All a total crock of shit, of course. I am sick of hearing it, nonetheless. Hopefully, Ryan will gaffe or get called out in a blatant lie and/or Biden will let rip some of his turns of phrases that will have everyone talking.

[tnvoter]

106. done. Biden has been schooling Ryan for the last hour or so.

[Rowdyboy]

107. Or set him up to win big....which he's currently doing....

Joe Biden is rocking the house.