SHAUN KING: Hillary Clinton Needs To Explain WHY She Called Young Black Kids ‘SUPERPREDATORS'

[Segami]

On Wednesday, Ashley Williams, an activist from Charlotte, N.C., paid $500 to attend a private fundraiser for Hillary Clinton in South Carolina. Once at the event in Charleston, it was the intention of Williams — in a peaceful, but confrontational protest — to ask Clinton why she called black boys "superpredators" back in 1996 and to seek an apology for her role in promoting mass incarceration. The crowd, which was almost exclusively white, literally hissed and booed and yelled that Ashley was trespassing. Another person could be heard repeatedly saying, "this is not appropriate."



If true, that is about as instructive as anything I've ever heard Clinton say. Her comments 20 years ago calling young black children "superpredators" have been widely discussed, publicly, among progressive thought leaders and activists throughout this entire campaign and indeed for years among criminal justice reformers. The notion that any children were superpredators without conscience was a dangerous lie designed to justify the mass incarceration complex.





~snip~

How in the world could nobody in her circle — not one single person — have asked about this? It is perhaps the most destructive thing Clinton ever uttered. After seeing the video, Michelle Alexander, author of "The New Jim Crow," said she was dissatisfied with the response.

“Hillary angrily responded that she never apologized because she's never been asked and then declined to apologize and changed the subject,” said Alexander. “Yes, the question was hostile and disruptive, but Hillary's response speaks volumes."

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=953259631428661&id=168304409924191

Could it also be that because Clinton has failed to take a single question from her traveling press crew for months on end that questions like this never get a chance to be addressed? It may seem unsightly or rude to some, but I am proud of Williams. It has only been because of brave women who have interrupted Clinton and Sanders at pivotal points in this campaign that essential issues like this have been addressed by the candidates.

Now, in the video Hillary said she'd answer the question. We’re waiting.

cont'

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-hillary-clinton-explain-superpredators-comment-article-1.2543581

[Arazi]

1. She's had 20 years to apologize or explain. She's not going to now

[arcane1]

2. And has the nerve to say "Can I talk? And maybe you can listen to what I say."

As if this one young woman has been standing in her way all this time

[Segami]

3. "..A short documentary on the super-predator lie...

"...was made, but when you type the words "Super Predator Documentary" into YouTube, guess what comes up? Videos of great white sharks, lions, and hyenas. Until Hillary Clinton and others began calling young black boys this, the words were only used to describe vicious animals. In fact, here's the documentary from The New York Times saying the whole thing was "made up."

[passiveporcupine]

50. great video

Thanks for posting this Segami

[monicaangela]

63. Excellent video

I'm sure once these politicians raised the level of concern, they all cashed in on private prisons.

As incarceration rates skyrocket, the private prison industry expands at exponential rates, holding ever more people in its prisons and jails, and generating massive profits. Private prisons for adults were virtually non-existent until the early 1980s, but the number of prisoners in private prisons increased by approximately 1600% between 1990 and 2009.:

The above paragraph is from an article by the ACLU: Banking on Bondage: Private Prisons and Mass Incarceration

https://www.aclu.org/banking-bondage-private-prisons-and-mass-incarceration

As Michelle Alexander documents so completely in her book "The New Jim Crow" we continue to see how the 13th amendment has encouraged politicians especially those from the south to utilize prisons as another way to continue racist practices.

[PonyUp]

4. Shaun is right! n/t

[azmom]

5. Kick

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

6. Stop pretending to give a damn about the plight of black people...

(Note: Both campaigns are pretending to care about black people. Yes, BOTH! Many black people are well aware of how both campaigns are exploiting race and pretending to care about race/racism by using black surrogates. This is something that we notice and fully understand is happening.)

[JustAnotherGen]

7. They want her to apologize!

Since when have white people in America eveeeer had to apologize to us?

What is this new thing?

Are they just trying to manipulate us?

[Arazi]

10. Shaun King is a BLM activist. Since Ashley Williams also is a BLM activist

It seems fair he's echoing her

[tk2kewl]

12. somehow posting it means Segami doesn't care

i don't get it

[Arazi]

13. One BLM activist echoing and amplifying another BLM activist's protest

and that is somehow a problem?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

15. Yes, because it's the hypocrisy. Most Bernie supporters hated BLM, or at the very least

were very antagonistic towards BLM when they were questioning Bernie Sanders. Now that BLM is going after Hillary Clinton, suddenly you're fans of BLM?

You don't see the hypocrisy there? Sure you do.

[Arazi]

20. You know, that's a dishonest and incorrect meme

You'll have to provide links that "most Bernie Supporters hated BLM" to back that statement up

I know that's a popular meme but there really isn't any proof of that. Just because its repeated over and over doesn't make it true

I'm a Bernie Sanders supporter and support BLM. You won't find any evidence that I've ever been antagonistic.

I think, in the beginning, Sanders supporters were maligned for asking why their candidate appeared to be singled out by BLM but that talking point is long over. Similarly, I think Sanders supporters were initially maligned for trying to figure out what shape the BLM movement was going to take. ANY question of the movement was shaped as "antagonistic" when it wasn't.

I applaud their efforts and am supportive of BLM over either candidate. I've been upfront that Sanders has a POC problem and I've applauded every effort that POC have made to educate and inform him.

Every one.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

33. Have you been around DU long? This is an honest question. Were you around during the last few

months when BLM was constantly attacked by Sanders supporters?

Come on, please start to be somewhat honest about this...

Look, I'm going to be completely honest with you. No bullshit, o.k.?

I do think he's a slightly better candidate, and I've never liked the Clintons. The only difference is that I don't agree with Bernie's "class over race" assertions. And I don't believe he can beat the Republican candidate. Even if he did win, I don't believe that he can get what he's promising done without compromising some of those liberal principles--something that his supporters don't want him to do. To be honest, I don't believe these things about HRC, either, but that's why I don't support either candidate right now.

But listen, that is OUR opinion.

I'm sorry that some folk simply cannot accept an alternative view. This is something that will happen.

And it seems that many folks have already made up their minds. You're not going to change those minds, and you certainly don't change minds my harassing, insulting and belittling people--and then demanding explanations for why they don't support your candidate.

It is what it is.

[Arazi]

38. Yes, almost 11 years

I drop in and out and sometimes just lurk. I'm a regular on reddit usually and only came back a lot a few weeks ago when I got injured. I'm bored and I'm discussing on two boards at the moment

I did not see any attacks on BLM by Sanders supporters here (or on reddit fyi) which is why I asked for links since its very likely I did miss them.

I completely respect and understand your opinions. I'm sorry you've been harassed, insulted and belittled. That's VERY WRONG!! That doesn't seem to be happening on this thread though which is why I was confused at your abrupt style.

I am very, very grateful for your honesty. Sincerely. If it makes you feel any better, the primary wars aren't exclusive to DU - they're pretty universal on reddit and DKos lol. Its an anonymous discussion board so people feel free to be asses unfortunately

Thank you for a respectful conversation



Peace!

[A Simple Game]

56. Have you been around long enough to remember the racist remarks the Hillary campaign

and Hillary herself made against President Obama back in '08?

The only slight Bernie supporters had against anyone was against the 2 women that wouldn't let Bernie respond to their ravings. No one had bad things to say about BLM in general until BLM met with Hillary. Then it didn't seem to matter anymore for some reason.

By the way did anyone look into the connection between the rouge local branch of BLM that the two women started and Hillary's campaign making a donation to them before their interruption of Bernie's speech?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

60. Jesus Christ (and I'm an Atheist). I've been calling HRC for years...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1339135

[A Simple Game]

72. For years? and you link to a post from today to support that assersion. Funny I thought I

recognized your name as a consistent Bernie basher, and I would apologize but for some of your other posts in the thread you linked to.

post #44

Few POCs here can tell. Most of what we see are attacks on us from the Bernie fanatics. All we see
are black Bernie surrogates and supporters being exploited to talk down on black voters.
Most white folk didn't know who Michelle Alexander was until she started singing Bernie's praises. Same for Killer Mike. And many of them trashed BLM until they went after Hillary Clinton.
You guys are so transparent.
We just wanted you to know that WE SEE YOU and it's not helping your candidate at all.

post #60

And Bernie Sanders fanatics who harass black voters for not supporting their candidate is offensive.

post #57

NO!! That's what YOU and other Sanders fanatics are doing. It is YOU who continues to berate
black people for their choice of candidate.
I don't like either candidate, so I have no dog in this fight.
It is mainly Bernie Sanders supporters who are badgering black people in this way.
I'm telling you to vote for whomever you want...or be like me and not vote if you don't want to.
I've been the one who has been championing the cause for those who want to vote for whomever. They should have the right to do so.
It has been the Sanders supporters, who by and large, have been harassing black voters.
You have me confused with someone else

.

Should I continue? Do you really think you are fooling anyone?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

75. Obviously you know me better than I know myself. You have 8,000 posts but you've known me for years.

I'm going to have a glass of Merlot. This bullshit will have to wait.

On edit:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1069225
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=42693
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=37338
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1077423
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1116325
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1333815
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1114711

And the mother of all posts...the one that got me banned from HRC's group:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=inbox&view=1919134

Remember, posts are only kept for a year.

This is the first and last time I will do this shit, too, so don't ask me anymore. Pay attention.

[A Simple Game]

81. I know you as a Bernie basher, nothing more, and the evidence is there for all to see.

Your dislike of Bernie is only surpassed by your dislike of Bernie supporters if one is to believe your posts.

Yep 8000 post and it took me 12 years to do it, what of it? Not prolific enough for you?

Oh my! You got banned from the HRC group! On second thought who hasn't? I was number 65 and wear my ban like a badge.

So you present evidence that you hate everyone, are you asking for sympathy?

Conversation is over, no one has anything to gain by continuing, have a nice evening.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

86. You have a nice evening, too! Don't forget that glass of wine. ;)

[randys1]

54. Doesnt have to "back that up" for me, I was here too and BLM was instantly attacked

after the first go round with Bernie, by a very many here.

period

[Enthusiast]

51. Nope. We recognized a little ploy, a set up. And we were angry, not at BLM. At someone else.

[passiveporcupine]

52. that is just not true

You need to take a look at your bias and stop pushing lies about Bernie supporters.

[Dustlawyer]

53. But you know what, a lot was shown just in the difference in the way the protestors were treated by

the candidates. Bernie was first and it came out of the blue, no warning. Bernie let them speak and have their say. He later met with them and incorporated the issues that concerned them into a major part of his platform. He has been speaking about criminal justice reform ever since. That is because he listens to us and does not pretend to know it all from the start. Wow, a politician that listens!!!

Clinton has had time to plan for this and has in fact previously and condescendingly met with BLM representatives, wagging her finger at them. Yet yesterday it was like get the hell away from me, how dare you! She should have engaged the woman and responded to her, but she chose to move on and let the Secret Service haul her off. This on the heels of using the families of the victims of police violence as props during the most recent Town Hall debate. Yea, she cares so much!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

87. I just watched the snippet on Chris Hayes's show and the young lady was ushered out, not thrown out.

And she wouldn't allow HRC to speak.

[Dustlawyer]

89. Bernie had the same thing happen at a large rally, not some half empty atrium in some rich man's

house. They stood in front of him and kept yelling, he gave them the mike and let THEM speak!

I appreciate the fact that you think differently, that's cool. I think the 2 candidates were presented with very similar situations, but at least Hillary got to see Bernie go through this first. She had the opportunity to present different arguements to focus groups to see what her best response was. I don't think she took the focus group route, but I am pretty sure she should have, because she did not handle this well at all!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

90. I'm going ONLY by what I see. Bernie Sanders treated BLM with respect. But to imply that HRC

didn't is weird. That's not what happened.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

14. That's my point. Using black surrogates, supporters and defenders of Bernie Sanders

to harass black voters.

Just stop! The shit is offensive.

If black voters don't want to vote for Bernie, it is their right!

Stop exploiting black political figures, using them and their words to bash and harass black voters.

[The Redheaded Guy]

16. Nice circular logic you got going there..

Create confusion and move on.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

17. You don't know one if it hit you in the face. Bottom line: STOP HARASSING BLACK VOTERS!

[The Redheaded Guy]

18. So supporting Ashley Williams and Shaun King are harassing black voters?

That's the circular logic I'm talking about right there.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

19. NO! NO! NO!!! They are not! Bernie supporters here at DU are using these supporters to harass

black voters!

Look, if black voters want to vote for Hillary fucking Clinton, it is there fucking right!

No one owes you or anyone an explanation.

[The Redheaded Guy]

24. So Bernie is not allowed to appeal to black voters

I'm a Bernie supporter that supports BLM. I do feel Clinton has taken black voters for granted. That's all I have to say in this subject.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

27. I can't with you. You are too slow.

[randys1]

57. If they cant see what they are doing by now, then that is intentional and I consider it

very offensive and we both know what we are dealing with here, sadly.

[tk2kewl]

21. i dont see it as an attempt to harass or be explotive

there are plenty of people who would like to here what Shaun King has to say - black, white and otherwise.

i think if Shaun King didn't want people to hear what he had to say, he would just write it in a personal diary, no?

yes, most people on DU have already made up their minds, but the information and conversations on DU are part of a bigger discussion beyond those of us participating. i don't think these posts are target at African American Hillary supporters on DU.

you seem to be conflating support for Sanders with exploitation and harassment in some way, and i think you are mistaken.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

23. My critique isn't about Shaun King. Please read again. It is about DUers who are Bernie supporters

using HIM, his words, and those of other black activists and supporters to insult and harass black HRC supporters here on DU.

Again, many Bernie supporters pretty much hated BLM when the activists targeted Bernie Sanders. Now suddenly these Sanders supporters like BLM and stand with them?

I'm pointing out the hypocrisy here at DU.

I support BLM and am a huge fan of Shaun King who I have regular discussions with.

Nice to see Sanders supporters onboard after trashing BLM months ago.

[tk2kewl]

41. Maybe I didn't word my previous reply that well

I don't think you were criticizing Shaun King.

I assume he wants people to read what he writes and approves of it being shared as widely as possible.

I remember the DU shit storm when BLM protested Bernie. I remember the vibe being more or less "what the hell are they doing, don't they know Bernie is on their side?"

It clearly missed the point of BLM.

but for the most part I didn't see it as people hating BLM - although maybe some did. I specifically applauded BLM for putting righteous anger to good use.

I think it's fair to say that people supporting both candidates can also support BLM and clearly there are BLM activists that have pUT their support behind each one.

I don't think this OP - or others on clinton and race - are intended to change any DUers' mind about who to support. I see them as getting information out on the Internet for others to find.

Sometimes there may be an "in your face" tone, and sometimes we may feel that, even when it wasn't intended. There's a lot of "gotchas" that fly back and forth here - for myself, i try to keep those to issues of economics and try to be more thoughtful on social justice issues.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

67. I'll just say this. Suppose AA voters know everything there is to know about both candidates...

Suppose there's no additional information...and even with full knowledge of HRC's racism...they STILL support her.

What I'm saying is that this is a reality that Sanders's supporters will likely have to accept.

You can't change minds through condescension, insults and badgering. That doesn't work.

[tk2kewl]

71. I absolutely accept that

My post are not intended to change anyone's mind... Some others might be, but consider the possibility that they are not. Peace, and thanks.

[passiveporcupine]

79. Considering how uninformed most Americans tend to be about politics

and politicians, what makes you think that AA's are, for some reason, fully informed?

[Arazi]

22. Shaun King is an AA BLM activist - the OP is HIS article

Is the simple act of posting this offensive? Nobody's allowed to talk about this?

That's not "harassment"

I fully agree if black voters don't want to vote for Bernie, that's their right. Whose denying that?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

26. Again, go back and re-read what I wrote and try to understand. NOT an attack on BLM...

...it's an attack on Bernie supporters for their hypocrisy and feigned support of BLM.

[Arazi]

35. "feigned support of BLM" so Sanders supporters are lying?

Let me be clear, you're saying I'm lying about my BLM support?

so now you've made the unproven assertion that Sanders supporters hate BLM and now you've made the unproven assertion that Sanders supporters are "feigning support"

You also seem to be saying nobody's allowed to post anything or anyone - black or white? - in support of Bernie Sanders or his record, or its "harassing" and "antagonizing" black DUers

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

37. O.K., allow me to be more diplomatic: Some Sanders supporters here on DU went after BLM

relentlessly. No, scratch that...

I'm going to assert that many (not all!) really took it to BLM, which I took as a personal insult because I'm friends with Shaun King and he even Tweeted how mean and nasty Sanders fans were. He had written about his treatment many times.

And all I'm trying to get you to see is how NOW that BLM is doing what it was criticized for---going after Hillary Clinton, NOW Sanders supporters stand with BLM. Remember: For months BLM was criticized relentlessly for targeting the Sanders campaign. There was some mean-spiritedness there, not only on forums and blogs, but at the same rallies that BLM showed up to as well.

So now these same Sanders supporters are seeing how Shaun is holding HRC accountable--which he should!--they're pretending to be BLM supporters?

If you can't see the hypocrisy in that, then I can't help you.

Honestly I give up.

[Arazi]

39. i gave a fuller response upthread

Thanks again for a respectful dialogue

Peace!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

40. Not a problem. We're all in the fight together. I just think the means to the ends are different.

I hope that after all this mess, we all can come together.

I hope.

[passiveporcupine]

58. Please point out one post in this thread where blacks are being harassed.

Seriously...maybe I skimmed the thread too fast, but I sure didn't see it.

[Tarheel_Dem]

30. AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

On Thu Feb 25, 2016, 03:02 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Stop pretending to give a damn about the plight of black people...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1337740

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Personal attack. Poster accuses OP poster of "pretending to give a damn about the plight of black people" an warranted personal attack and violation.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Feb 25, 2016, 03:13 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Yeah, I don't see what the alerter claims. Maybe they should just reply instead and debate the issue.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'd vote to hide it, but it's true, and in no way personal AFAIC.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: personal attack
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Passionate comment, but not over the top. It seems "in general" stop doing this - not unwarranted given the discussion of the black vote and exploitation by both campaigns of various BLM protests and BLM leaders and black stump spokespersons.
Alerter - post a counter argument, question the poster directly, debate, argue, stand up for yourself, ignore, or whatever...

Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Fair enough, but the OPs that use race as a weapon against Bernie Sanders are more egregious

[randys1]

59. That alert says VOLUMES about the attitude on DU now...I am just amazed it only got one

hide vote.

[blackspade]

88. People, please, knock off these bullshit alerts.

Jesus fuck, folks around here have thin skins.

[BillZBubb]

36. Nonsense. BOTH campaigns care about black people. BOTH.

To pretend otherwise is simply dishonest. If you think the Democratic party is so full of indifference or racism, why are you here?

[stupidicus]

55. whatta pathetic dodge

kinda like the way rightwingers charge dems generally with just wanting their votes.

[TIME TO PANIC]

8. K & R!

[dr60omg]

9. This was something embedded in the 1990's and tied to the Clintons administration

The expression super-predator precipitated a whole host of draconian policies aimed at black and brown children. Even absurd things like not allowing particular colors in elementary school classrooms (in LA County). If you forgot or what not paying attention this is what happened at the time http://youthrights.org/research/library/scapegoating-of-youth/ (go down and put a search on Clinton). It became so absurd that killer bees became a stand-in for black and brown youth and the metaphor was not disguised.
You can also use this pdf from the Aspen Institute http://www.aspeninstitute.org/sites/default/files/content/docs/pubs/Race-Crime-Punishment.pdf This is from Duke university there is a cached version so you could search out the quotes https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:BbixoEGPnu8J:https://wiki.duke.edu/download/attachments/89916698/NOTE%2520AND%2520COMMENT_%2520YOUTH%2520MATTERS_%2520THE%2520NEED%2520TO%2520TREAT%2520CHIL.pdf%3Fapi%3Dv2+&cd=31&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Another good source that is available for free online is sociologist Mike Males site http://home.earthlink.net/~mmales/ which links to several of his books attempting to deconstruct this horrifying popularized during the Clinton administration ... That whole history seemed connected to a thrust during the Clinton administration not just in the crime bill but in the way we viewed public education (it helped speed up the who neoliberal educational reforms)

There is so much attached to this including the militarization of the police force ... "Cheese sandwich" posted this video in another forum asking the same sorts of questions on the DU website it originally was posted on the Grio ...

You can also go back to newspapers of the period and find so much using a lexis nexus search it was not an isolated comment it was part of a whole myth that developed ...

[dr60omg]

11. Oops as I was listening to CNN I remembered to connect to the Congressional record

The 1994 crime bill

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-1994-04-13/html/CREC-1994-04-13-pt1-PgH49.htm

His remarks differ both in tone and substance

[MaggieD]

25. She didn't call "black kids" super predators

She called gangs super predators. I'm not sure why people keep fibbing about that, other than they want to smear her.

For those that assume gangs are only comprised of black kids, I would correct you on that. Not so. And also suggest that folks that assume that might want to think about why they assume that. If you get my drift.

[retrowire]

46. See post #44. Super Predators means black youth. The person who created the term said as much.

The term was created by Republicans and the Clintons adopted it. Sorry.

[forjusticethunders]

31. Because "gang violence", just like "law and order" and "tough on crime" and "welfare queens"

were racial dogwhistles designed to signal to racist white voters that they wanted to do something about black people.

Especially using a word made up by a hard rightwinger to scare racist white voters into thinking that crack addled black kids were coming to rob, rape and kill them while, and this is the key, while maintaining a façade of PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY (like Hillary supporters are doing as we speak) that they weren't actually talking about Black (or should I say blah) people.

[MaggieD]

32. So there is no such word as gang that actually means gang?

What phrase should she have used to discuss gang violence then? Not the word gang, apparently.

[theaocp]

48. I suppose "thug" could mean

just about anybody, right?

[forjusticethunders]

74. Plausible deniability.

Of course gang violence is a problem, but the 90s debate about crime had a massive racial component that was hidden behind code designed to create the kind of plausible deniability you are doing now. The same logic you are using right now is the same logic that was used to defend Trayvon being killed, Eric being killed, Mike being killed - you are hiding behind the plausible deniability that comes when the racist asshole doesn't say "n***** n***** n*****"

[passiveporcupine]

78. Info on wiki about gangs

Youth gangs have increasingly been creating problems in school and correctional facilities. However youth gangs are said to be an important social institution for low income youths and young adults because they often serve as cultural, social, and economic functions which are no longer served by the family, school or labor market

In the American West, as job cuts continued to rise and employers began to hire from the cheaper labour pool of the expanding Latino immigrant community,[68] unemployment rates of African-American men reached as high as 50% in several areas of South Central Los Angeles,[69] opening up large recruitment markets for the burgeoning gangs. The increasing social isolation felt by African-American communities across the nation continued unabated in the 1980s and 90s, leading to higher rates of social pathologies, including violence

As gang-violence accelerated in the West, so too did police violence against African-American communities, which culminated in the arrest of Rodney King which sparked the 1992 Los Angeles riots

In 1999, Hispanics accounted for 47% of all U.S. gang members, African Americans for 34%, whites for 13%, and Asians for 6%.[28]

Based on a national study properly weighted to be representative of all youth, recent research finds that approximately 8 percent of all youth have joined a gang by their twenties. This estimate is also highly dynamic. In a multisite study in cities with known and significant gang problems, the percentage of youth who joined a gang peaked in the early teens and declined precipitously thereafter. These estimates, of course, vary across localities and are highly contingent on the type of gang problem observed in a given community. Studies conducted in some urban cities with long-standing gang problems have found that 15 percent or more of youth joined a gang at some point during their adolescent and youth-adult years.

https://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/about/FAQ#q10

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangs_in_the_United_States



http://www.ojjdp.gov/pubs/96natyouthgangsrvy/surv_6a.html

According to this, half of gangs are 17 or younger...Those are kids. The majority of gangs are 24 and under. I think most of us include young adults who have been members of gangs and reach adulthood, as part of the demographics that need help to not be sucked into gangs. Jailing all these young people is not the answer.

[morningfog]

85. We've been through this. She called kids super predators.

[Nonhlanhla]

29. I did not know that gangs necessarily means black kids

She was referring to gangs. I don't like the term superpredators, but that does not take away the fact that gangs tend to be violent, and this was the term used at the time (20 years ago!) to express that.

She did not refer specifically to black kids, so unless you want to argue that only black kids belong to violent gangs, I don't think the charge that Hillary called young black kids "superpredators" is an accurate one. In short, to say that she said that, is a LIE.

[MaggieD]

34. Yep

[retrowire]

44. Keep avoiding it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017333138

From the creator of the term itself, it refers to black youth.

[randys1]

61. Hillary Clinton acting like a "typical" white person with privilege, i.e. ALL white people

has nothing to do with certain people using BLM when it fits their agenda, and tossing them in the waste basket when it doesnt.

[retrowire]

64. i hate to say it but... #notallwhitepeople nt

[randys1]

66. Yes, ALL white people have privilege

[retrowire]

68. oh maybe I misunderstood. YES ALL WHITE PEOPLE HAVE PRIVILEGE.

I totally agree with that.

Not all are ignorant of that fact is what I meant to say. Because you said Hillary is acting like a white person with privilege, I meant to say that not all white people act that way because of privilege. Some are self aware.

[randys1]

69. VERY few, including here at DU, including myself.

Look, I have no doubt she was referring largely to POC when she said that, and that she had then and still does some warped ideas about race, as the VAST majority of us white people do.

Having said that, if she is the nominee, I suggest you campaign for her as if your life or your sisters life or your daughters life depends on it, because it will.

warped is a little harsh, I just mean white people have really no idea about non white people, myself included.

[retrowire]

70. i will vote for her if it comes to that

campaigning though? I have no passion for her. I cannot convincingly go against my own morality to tell others to go for her.

for me she is the lesser of two evils against a Republican and that's all I'll be able to muster when talking to others.

[randys1]

73. But if it comes down to YOU convincing ONE other person, you cant fake it?

You do agree, it seems, that without a Dem in the WH there would be absolute hell to pay, so I honest to god dont get this purity stuff.

Jesus man, all politicians are liars and dont give a shit about us, maybe Bernie cares more about us than most, not maybe, he does, but does that mean he is the ONLY one you could campaign for?

Think about how you have backed yourself into a corner, you are excluding basically ALL of them as they are all what you characterize them as...think about it for a minute.

[retrowire]

80. Oh I know that. Which is why I never participated in politics until Bernie came along.

Sorry, I'm likely one of many that just don't feel comfortable participating in a system of lies and corruption. Bernie's the one card I have that feels right to me.

I was apolitical before, I can probably live that life again. But I'll vote for her to keep a Republican out. If the Republican ends up winning, I'll smh and think to myself "told ya so." to all the people who thought she'd beat a Republican, then I'll proceed to try and strengthen the democratic party on the local side, forever avoiding presidential elections until another Bernie comes along.

[retrowire]

45. See post #44. Super Predators means black youth. The person who created the term said as much.

It was created by republicans and the Clintons adopted the term.

[theaocp]

49. And "thugs" forms no connection to any

racial group? The conservatives of the country can rejoice!

[Nonhlanhla]

77. So your argument is that anyone

who has ever used any terms that at other times had become racialized, indeed meant to denote black people with those terms at the time that they used it?

Look, I get dog whistling. We Hillary supporters have been trying to tell Bernie supporters about sexist dog whistling for months, only to be shot down, so I take the fake outrage here with a big inch of salt. I understand that "thugs" or "welfare queens" or even "superpredators" have been dog whistling terms. But context matters too. "Superpredators" has not been a term commonly used since the 90s, so the precise connotations are not that clear anymore. We do know that at the time, gang violence was a huge concern - also in communities of color. The term "superpredators" is a term I don't care for myself, as I said above. But within the context, and given the fact that gangs are NOT necessarily made up black kids, it is quite difficult to ascertain that black kids is what Hillary had in mind. Given her overall commitment to racial justice, I seriously doubt it. I think the way this is being twisted and spun is simply a smear. As a white woman Hillary will never totally "get" what it means to be black in this country. Just like as a man Bernie will never totally "get" what it means to be a woman (nor does he "get" what it means to be black). But to try to smear Hillary as engaging in racial dog whistling along the lines of Reagan's welfare queens, or the Tea Party's "thug" language for Obama, is a dishonest and disgusting smear tactic which ignores context and her larger history.

[retrowire]

42. KnR. She'll look into it. nt

[Dont call me Shirley]

43. But but but back to the issues...

[Maedhros]

62. One could make the claim that promulgating the myth of Black American youth

as "super predators" has helped enable the rash of police-on-black violence we've seen in recent years.

[Dont call me Shirley]

65. Astute observation, Maedhros...

[passiveporcupine]

82. It absolutely has. eom

[SoapBox]

47. ...were'r always waiting.

And waiting.

And waiting.

[Mike Nelson]

76. This is election spin...

Gangs and gang crime does NOT mean Black/AA. This portrayal of Hillary Clinton as a racist is disgusting. Black lives matter.

[quantass]

83. +1

[appalachiablue]

84. K & R. Black Lives Matter

[kath]

91. Kick.

So more can see HRH's disgusting reaction, and hear the hissing from the wealthy white donors.