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Just pointing out that this story of Mrs Williams confronting Sec Clinton (Original Post) nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 OP
Thanks - I trust you that this is potentially ground-breaking. Merryland Feb 2016 #1
Chuck had her on his show nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #4
"Now, Let's Get Back To The Issues"... HRC AzDar Feb 2016 #2
"The issues that I think are important." Blue_In_AK Feb 2016 #19
For once she told the truth - black 840high Feb 2016 #42
The "47%" moment angrychair Feb 2016 #38
WE The People... Can ONLY Hope...A Chord Is Struckkk... CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #43
Could you also post the really nice picture of DURHAM D Feb 2016 #3
LOL Thread win! SunSeeker Feb 2016 #8
OMG, they are both black. Good catch. libdem4life Feb 2016 #24
West was on cable news the last couple of days, hard selling oasis Feb 2016 #12
I highly doubt any of the white Clinton TM99 Feb 2016 #32
If they were followers of Hillary they were wanting to heel the black kids. morningfog Feb 2016 #50
Ya, cuz racism and putting kids in jail totally solved that problem Hydra Feb 2016 #64
So guilt by association with Dr. West TM99 Feb 2016 #28
You gotta admit, it is a catchy talking point nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #30
Like she would know or not know that from the brief encounter they had. artislife Feb 2016 #34
Yes, she was. TM99 Feb 2016 #36
Thanks for more real world info, nadin. elleng Feb 2016 #5
If the word choice was unfortunate, what about the sentiment?? loyalsister Feb 2016 #31
Both were unfortunate. elleng Feb 2016 #33
Yes loyalsister Feb 2016 #37
there was NO APOLOGY from her!! ellennelle Feb 2016 #55
another angle just occurred to me ellennelle Feb 2016 #62
And the Clinton apology today is listed as being the #1 read story on the Washington Post website.nt PoliticAverse Feb 2016 #6
except it's not a damned apology - the Post invented that description Merryland Feb 2016 #9
If she had said, "I apologize." It would not have been enough and still would not be accepted. Jitter65 Feb 2016 #53
for me there is nothing she could do to convince me she feels any differently now questionseverything Feb 2016 #65
I just noticed its on the front page of CNN too Arazi Feb 2016 #7
Not there now. jillan Feb 2016 #14
It's in the top stories on the left of the page Arazi Feb 2016 #16
Found it. When I clicked on that link all I saw was a big orange head. jillan Feb 2016 #18
LOL!!! Arazi Feb 2016 #20
;) Bubzer Feb 2016 #44
And MSNBC Arazi Feb 2016 #10
When I went to bead it was in the stumps department nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #11
Don't see it at your link. nt DURHAM D Feb 2016 #15
It's story #9 in the upper right of the page Arazi Feb 2016 #17
Also #whichhillary one of the top Twitter feeds Arazi Feb 2016 #13
I am wondering if we will have tape of this tonight on the networks nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #21
KICK. Segami Feb 2016 #22
Recommended. H2O Man Feb 2016 #23
Or own goal nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #25
Right. H2O Man Feb 2016 #26
I know, and some of the animus, as I possted the other day nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #27
The difference in technology use is another fascinating piece of this election Arazi Feb 2016 #35
Right. H2O Man Feb 2016 #47
I am thinking this might be a turning point. libtodeath Feb 2016 #29
K & R, nadin! Excellent finds. Dont call me Shirley Feb 2016 #39
You said this would be broadcast! Duval Feb 2016 #40
Chris Hayes has not been that kind nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #46
This was the first thing I heard Blue_In_AK Feb 2016 #51
Thank you Nadin. 840high Feb 2016 #41
Republican debate tonight Mr.Bill Feb 2016 #45
I think this is not going away nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #48
I agree...one thing the corp media loves is... tex-wyo-dem Feb 2016 #54
It is not just that nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #57
Agreed. HRC's campaign is thanking god tonight for the R debate Arazi Feb 2016 #52
Hillary gets worse by the day. They need to put her on ice for a few weeks. jalan48 Feb 2016 #49
Lots of great stuff at The Root, Ben Carson the Magical Negro for instance. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #56
Heal Webster Definition: (of a dog) follow closely behind its owner. "These dogs are born with the thereismore Feb 2016 #58
Did they play this story on air on any of the evening tv shows? Arazi Feb 2016 #59
Chris Hayes did nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #60
Thanks. Arazi Feb 2016 #61
The transcripts were a non inssue too nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #63
Replace Clinton with Sanders, keep all else the same in this incident. Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2016 #66
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
4. Chuck had her on his show
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 06:45 PM
Feb 2016

on the phone, this is how important this is

No, her answer did not impress me.

angrychair

(12,501 posts)
38. The "47%" moment
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:18 PM
Feb 2016

Says how she really thinks. This is her "47%" moment.

"Umm, OK, back to the issues that I think are important," Clinton says while donors applaud."
Hillary Clinton, at private SC fundraiser, 2016

Thank you Ms. Williams.

DURHAM D

(33,090 posts)
3. Could you also post the really nice picture of
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 06:44 PM
Feb 2016

Ashley with Cornel West? You really can't see her very well in that video. Thanks in advance.

oasis

(53,976 posts)
12. West was on cable news the last couple of days, hard selling
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 06:57 PM
Feb 2016

the time worn super predator story. He voiced no concern at that time for the victims of gang violence.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
32. I highly doubt any of the white Clinton
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:58 PM
Feb 2016

supporters on this board gave a shit about gang violence or gang members in the 1990's.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
64. Ya, cuz racism and putting kids in jail totally solved that problem
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:59 AM
Feb 2016

Thank you for reinforcing your candidate's position on faceless Black youth as needing to be caged for political points.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
28. So guilt by association with Dr. West
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:41 PM
Feb 2016

means it is A-OK for Clinton to dismiss her, have SS escort her off the premise, and her supporters to razz her?

Gotcha! Thanks for clearing that up.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
30. You gotta admit, it is a catchy talking point
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:55 PM
Feb 2016

at least they have abandoned the Breitbart stunt that was popular last night.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
34. Like she would know or not know that from the brief encounter they had.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:01 PM
Feb 2016

She was dismissed so quickly.

elleng

(141,926 posts)
5. Thanks for more real world info, nadin.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 06:45 PM
Feb 2016

P.S., Her 'apology:'

'In a written response to The Washington Post's Jonathan Capehart on the issue Thursday, Clinton said: “Looking back, I shouldn’t have used those words, and I wouldn’t use them today."'

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511338818

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
31. If the word choice was unfortunate, what about the sentiment??
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:58 PM
Feb 2016

Unless she admits that the basis for mass incarceration was flawed, this is just another dismissive non-apology apology.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
37. Yes
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:11 PM
Feb 2016

But there is some intentional dog whistling that represents a devaluation of the black lives most affected. That her "apology" doesn't mention those lives and the widespread destruction her poor choice of words caused.

A question I hope someone will ask is: "when unintended consequences are overlooked, does that mean that they were actually intended?" Bernie saw it coming and he spelled it out on the house floor.

If someone in the news media really digs into this, it will be quite revealing.

ellennelle

(614 posts)
55. there was NO APOLOGY from her!!
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 09:13 PM
Feb 2016

none whatsoever.

my momma used to tell us kids, when we messed up and hurt a sibling, whining we didn't mean to...

she'd get all stern and in our faces, waggin' that finger, and force thru her gritting teeth

"then mean not to!"

instead, yet again, she pivots to "what - I - have accomplished," etc. ad nauseam.

this, folks, is hillary's character.

or, lack thereof.

ellennelle

(614 posts)
62. another angle just occurred to me
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 09:35 PM
Feb 2016

"looking back...."

looking back??? really?? she's just now "looking back" on that statement??

seriously, folks, this was a deeply considered statement she had made 2 decades ago, part of a highly crafted justification for a highly controversial bill that she was lobbying heavily for on behalf of her husband. it was absolutely not something she just happened to let slip from her lips, oops. these terms - super predators, without morals or empathy, ...brought to heel - each and every one of these words was selected for its conceptual heft and symbolic power.

it is therefore all the more damning for her to imply so heavily now, today, that she is "looking back" on what she said!!

you know, a person with any amount of conscience would have carried that freight around like a 90 car train, actively looking for an opportunity to make amends. in public. and in shame!!

instead, she's all - oh, did i say that? no one has ever asked me about that before. you sit down and STFU and listen while i talk about issues the matter to me, and then maybe i'll get back to you. for realz????

now, just to pile all manner of steaming crap on this toasted sewage, do check out who provided the conveyor belt of this non-apology!

none other than JONATHAN CAPEHART OF THE BERNIE PHOTO FRAUD/STILL NO RETRACTION/what the hell is he doing even anywhere near the wapo, let alone trying to deliver an apology????

this is insanity exploding.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
6. And the Clinton apology today is listed as being the #1 read story on the Washington Post website.nt
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 06:47 PM
Feb 2016

Merryland

(1,134 posts)
9. except it's not a damned apology - the Post invented that description
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 06:52 PM
Feb 2016

of her weasley words.

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
53. If she had said, "I apologize." It would not have been enough and still would not be accepted.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 09:06 PM
Feb 2016

Face it. You know it's true. You know what this was really all about.

questionseverything

(11,966 posts)
65. for me there is nothing she could do to convince me she feels any differently now
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 05:46 PM
Feb 2016

than she did then

jillan

(39,451 posts)
18. Found it. When I clicked on that link all I saw was a big orange head.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:05 PM
Feb 2016

Didn't look to the side

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
11. When I went to bead it was in the stumps department
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 06:55 PM
Feb 2016

Chuckie asked her on MSNBC and her answer was not that good. IMO of course.

Arazi

(8,887 posts)
17. It's story #9 in the upper right of the page
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:05 PM
Feb 2016

and then it's one of the lead stories as you scroll down the front page,

Still there. Just checked

H2O Man

(79,250 posts)
23. Recommended.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:31 PM
Feb 2016

It is definitely very important. Every college student in America has watched it today. It was yet another unforced error by Hillary Clinton.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
25. Or own goal
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:33 PM
Feb 2016

good analogy

If she actually had a conversation and apologized, it would be a story, but a very different story.

I watched this go from 2 tweets a minute, to trending on twitter in less than four hours.

H2O Man

(79,250 posts)
26. Right.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:36 PM
Feb 2016

I've attempted to communicate with my friends on DU who support Hillary that it is things like this that will make it very difficult for people like myself who would support Clinton, should she win the nomination. Obviously, I will vote for her. But I will not be able to get a large segment of the people I would hope to, to vote. It really is that simple.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
27. I know, and some of the animus, as I possted the other day
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:39 PM
Feb 2016

has moved to the meat department in a suburban supermarket in So Cal

This primary is ten times as bad as 2008. I don't see how this is going to inspire people to vote for her. I really cannot.

As of right now, 15:38 PST, the Hillary Clinton supporters on this site are still very much in denial that this has quite the potential of being the 47 percent moment of the campaign.

(And for the usual loyalty pledge crowd, as a fiercely independent media, and voter) who I vote for, is my business.

Arazi

(8,887 posts)
35. The difference in technology use is another fascinating piece of this election
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:10 PM
Feb 2016

older voters still watching network news. I completely agree with you that every college student in the US has seen this today

Younger voters getting info from Twitter and Internet aggregators like MSNBC and CNN (Yahoo has its lead story right now being an interview with Jane Sanders by Katie Couric https://www.yahoo.com/) is light years away from just a decade ago


H2O Man

(79,250 posts)
47. Right.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:51 PM
Feb 2016

I have heard from my connections to college students -- which may be limited, based in large part from having three children attending universities around NYS. And their friends and associates. Their insights have been pretty on-target.

I am really impressed by this young generation. I include those who support Hillary, though those I have contact with are 100% for Bernie. And they all know exactly why they support the Sanders Revolution.They are unwilling to accept our current economic system.

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
40. You said this would be broadcast!
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:43 PM
Feb 2016

And you were right. I'm so glad it's getting out there, but I deplore the talking heads who almost give Hillary a "pass". However,
what can we expect from Corporate Media. We just watched a segment on RT with Schultz and Papantonio. It was very good and had no sliver of an "excuse" for Hillary's actions and comments.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
46. Chris Hayes has not been that kind
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:50 PM
Feb 2016

and the second part of the segment is coming up

He had her saying those words, and the video from yesterday

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
51. This was the first thing I heard
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:57 PM
Feb 2016

on my local NPR station when I turned on the radio in the car this afternoon.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
48. I think this is not going away
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:51 PM
Feb 2016

it will be joined by trumpism. and let's see of Trump goes there tonight

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
54. I agree...one thing the corp media loves is...
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 09:12 PM
Feb 2016

Controversy.

Trump is a walking talking controversy 24/7. Hillary not as much, but due to the fact that there is this controversy surrounding her, I predict it will be talked about significantly tonight, even though there is a rethug debate.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
57. It is not just that
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 09:20 PM
Feb 2016

CNN has started to vet Clinton's statements, over the last two weeks, They got access to pretty good analytics, We got ourselves a race and they do not want to be on the wrong side just in case this old socialist from Vt with a funny accent, by accident wins.

Arazi

(8,887 posts)
52. Agreed. HRC's campaign is thanking god tonight for the R debate
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 09:03 PM
Feb 2016

Hoping some major sparring happens there and knocks this story off the front page

jalan48

(14,914 posts)
49. Hillary gets worse by the day. They need to put her on ice for a few weeks.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:53 PM
Feb 2016

Trot out Bubba to play the saxophone and tell everyone how great things are today because of Wall Street.

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
58. Heal Webster Definition: (of a dog) follow closely behind its owner. "These dogs are born with the
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 09:24 PM
Feb 2016

instinctive urge to heel".. Oops Hillary


From the comments section at The Grio.

Arazi

(8,887 posts)
61. Thanks.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 09:33 PM
Feb 2016

It's falling off the front pages online but it's still amongst the top Twitter feeds

That it was upfront all day and made it onto the online front pages is good. That Chris Hayes mentioned it is good too!

I'm going to guess its made at least some splash. We'll see if it has staying power over the next week although I remember RMoneys 47% remark took some time to build into the public consciousness after it initially hit the public

Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,486 posts)
66. Replace Clinton with Sanders, keep all else the same in this incident.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 06:03 PM
Feb 2016

I know, it would never happen. Sanders would handle it better. But just imagine if that did happen. Can you imagine the skewering Sanders would be receiving from Hillary supporters?

Talk about breaking the internet.

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