DU is brimming with "outrage" over how HRC treats blacks, with thread after thread telling

[EffieBlack]

us how insensitive, how bigoted, how racist, and how unworthy she is to have the support of black voters. Given how many posts "wonder" and often outright demand that we explain why black voters would even CONSIDER voting for her given how horribly she supposedly treats minorities, it is clear that these posts are not intended to illuminate but are instead designed to turn black voters away from her. Although they primarily deal with actions, comments and votes from years and sometimes decades ago, these threads have increased multifold in just the past few days since Hillary won the Nevada caucus and it's looking like black voters are going to help Hillary to a big victory in South Carolina.

But I think these "concerns" would be better received and possibly more effective if they came from people who had evidenced similar concern about how we're viewed and treated by anyone other than Hillary and anytime before it appeared that the black vote would make such a big difference. However, many of the people who are SO upset about Hillary's comments are the most dismissive and insulting and offensive toward black DUers on this board and show absolutely no concern for or interest in our opinions, perspectives or feelings. And when we express outrage or consternation about something that WE think is offensive or racist, these people are more likely than not to bat away our concerns and even scold and mock us for being overly sensitive.

In light of that, it's no wonder that many of us aren't impressed with their sudden conversion into ultra-sensitive guardians of our sensibilities and are not responding favorably to their demands that we abandon Hillary Clinton because THEY have decided that our support for her is not in our best interests.

I'll consider taking seriously their outrage about Hillary's approach to race once they demonstrate that they give a sh#t about racism in any context other than to exploit it for their own narrow political ends.

[Arazi]

8. Welcome to DU!

[1StrongBlackMan]

45. Sighhhh ...

Black education is of such a poor level that you can steer this (voting) block into any direction you want to...to my brothers and sisters..

You seem to have the same low opinion of the Black electorate as white folks, including white Bernie supporters.

[bettyellen]

47. my first jury duty in a while. Glad I served.

On Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:57 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Thanks, sorry trying to get the hang how the messages respond to eachother...have been lurking
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1340422

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is incredibly over the top and inappropriate "black education is of such a poor level that you can steer this (voting) block into any direction you want to...to my brothers and sisters...EDUCATE Yourself. to the OP of this article, you are a what is wrong with our community."

Calling AA's as a brush brush stupid and personally attacking a DUer.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:05 PM, and the Jury voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I was reading this thing (thanks for making me read a long post in the evening ) and kept thinking "Why the hell was this alerted on" and then I got to the last couple lines. I agree we don't need to making these kind of statements. Not cool.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: agree with alerter. posts like this make DU suck.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This person needs to realize we're all entitled to our opinions and needs to not be so judgmental.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

[MrMickeysMom]

49. Are you kidding?

Why would anyone hide that post?

[bettyellen]

50. you agree with that post that AA voters are stupid and can be steered to any candidate?

that's what the post got hidden for, and yes, I am very proud.

[MrMickeysMom]

55. I didn't read it that way at all...

I think you might have read it that way, but you'll have to point out why you thought it that way.

[bettyellen]

59. "black education is of such a poor level that you can steer this (voting) block into any direction"

not sure how you missed this horrible quote or "read it" any other way than a shitty racist jab?
I'm glad the mods disagreed and TSed this jerk.

Jury-in the reply title, -I am quoting the post being discussed- which is now hidden. Thanks!

[farleftlib]

51. Because

It goes against the new DU talking point, that's why.

[PeaceNikki]

53. It included a personal attack on the OP, for one.

[passiveporcupine]

71. are you serious?

I can't believe anyone voted to leave it alone. This is exactly the reason AA's are complaining about being attacked by Sander's supporters. This is the first time I've seen it first hand, and this just made me sick.

[MrMickeysMom]

76. You know, I should have cut and pasted it while it was still able to be read...

It appears I cannot. And, I'm also trying to be objective about the comments of one AA who is complaining about sub-populations of other AA's who are taken in by the spin and control mechanisms.

Did I read that incorrectly? I know of examples where I've complained about populations of people (not AA), but the traditional uninformed white "know nothings" who need to wake the hell up and are products of their education.

[passiveporcupine]

78. I wish I had seen the offending post in full,

But I think I saw enough from different posts that I got the gist of it. That is was someone (color does not matter) saying broad brush that AA's are so uneducated they are unable to make wise decisions about whom to vote for.

Saying or implying all AA's, or even most of them, are too uneducated to know how to vote, is not cool. I think many of us would be pretty upset if someone said that about whites, or any other skin color or minority.

It reminded me a lot of how women were once put down as not being smart enough to vote.

[MrMickeysMom]

79. Well, I DID read it, so I'm trying to go by my initial impression...

... while other blathering spit flies on this thread. I definitely took the comment as one that was aimed at having the right to point out people's stupidity in their own race.

I point out stupid people all the time. I'm more likely to be able to talk about white people in a bold extremely frank way, because I am white. That's what I thought the poster was doing. I think I would have been pretty pissed off, had I seen it your way. You didn't see it in full, as you said.

Just trying to be objective.

[passiveporcupine]

84. Fair enough

However, I do think the topic of AA's and their choice of candidate and why, is such a touchy issue on this forum, I'm just not sure it was wise to go there. It gave them more ammunition to be angry about.

Again, JMHO, and you are correct that I did not see the post in full. That is one of the reasons I dislike posts just disappearing like that. Hiding is fine, but deleting leaves holes in the discussion, especially like this case. Now there is a conversation about this post without the post to actually back up anyone's response.

[MrMickeysMom]

87. Yep...

I think I learned a lesson here.

[EffieBlack]

52. Funny thing, isn't it?

[1StrongBlackMan]

67. I would say Yes ... If it wasn't so damned sad. eom.

[JI7]

64. wow. And a lot of people agreed with that racist troll

[1StrongBlackMan]

68. But that poster was a long time lurking Black person! ...

Right?

[JI7]

85. of course, because of all the discussions that have taken place

they decide the best time to post is to attack a black poster and black people as a whole as being fools.

[1StrongBlackMan]

32. Welcome to DU ...

A couple things...

If you have seen Black folks called stupid for their/our support of HRC ... stick around, it won't be long.

Now to my main point ...

Ergo, if you are not black you cannot possibly understand us.

That is a strange position for a Black person to take ... since that is NOT what Black people are saying ... But it IS what white people hear when we say, "If you are not Black you cannot possible tell me what is in my best interests."

And ...

The way I look at it from my black perspective...voting for $hillery is like Jews voting for Hitler.

I'll just leave that idiocy, unaddressed.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. My mom, god bless her memory, was Jewish...

The way I look at it from my black perspective...voting for $hillery is like Jews voting for Hitler.

-seminex

Her parents left Russia, one step ahead of the latest pogrom, with just the clothes on their backs... That reference is ahistorical, hurtful, and patently offensive. Than God, I didn't lose family in the Shoah , but as a young boy I remember going to the home of my parents' friends ans seeing the numbers on their arms...

Let's be careful here.


Thank you sir, for calling it what it is.

[PeaceNikki]

33. Godwin's Law.

[840high]

34. Welcome to DU.

[Bobbie Jo]

60. Uh, the bigoted troll is gone.

Swing and a miss.

[bettyellen]

62. one less buddy for him!

[VulgarPoet]

37. Someone alerted on ya. Not very surprised.

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

No, voting for Hillary is not like voting for Hitler. This really needs to stop. Calling MIRT!

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Feb 25, 2016, 05:02 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The poster did NOT say voting for Hillary is like voting for Hitler. He/she said (paraphrasing) that blacks voting for Hillary is like Jews voting for Hitler; he/she is giving an example of one voting against one's own best interests, even if it an ugly example.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter, use your comprehensive reading skills. LIKE. As in a comparison of how bloody stupid something could be. I wouldn't hide this, try debating why a vote for Hillary isn't as stupid as a Jewish person voting for Hitler.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Unfortunate choice of words, I agree; but the poster is not directly comparing Hillary to Hitler. Semtex is saying blacks voting for Hillary is similar to Jews voting for Hitler. A tamer comparison would have been hens voting for a fox. I don't agree with either, but I think this can be addressed with a reply.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation:

Absurd hyperbole. I'm a Sanders supporter and I find the idea that Clinton is some kind of racist to be ludicrous. And Hitler? That's beyond all reason.

Hide this.


Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: over the top. Hopefully, new poster, will learn our rules.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[arcane1]

2. Your post seems to assume that all of her critics are white.

You know what they say about assuming.

[lunamagica]

9. No, her post clearly states that people who never cared about black issues suddenly

are outraged by how a BLM member was treated. The OP is not assuming anything. It is not about being critical of Hillary. It is about using black issues to bash Hillary, when they never cared enough to post about those issues before.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. Gee I have only been covering BLM issues since it started

Let me help you with those assumptions right there. It must smart... I have even posted what locally is happening and you guys ignore those posts systematically. So forgive me if I do not take you too seriously.

[lunamagica]

30. Then the OP is not about you, is it?

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. Oh it is

and it is a large stinking pile of... a talking point.

This must be the last batch to be tested. On twitter a lot of these talking points are getting turned into pulp, many horses have died a really nasty death since this started.

[lunamagica]

39. No it is not. It ia about people on DU who have never posted about black issues, and now, all of

sudden, they care.

If you are not one of those posters, if you always cared (and posted) about BLM, the the op is not aimed at you

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. Go ahead and test this talking point on twitter

I will gladly stand back... since this is a wonderful talking point. I give it two hours.

[1StrongBlackMan]

46. LOL ... See I told you! eom

[1StrongBlackMan]

38. LOL ...

Why are you depriving that poster their well earned victim-hood!???

[lunamagica]

42. I'm just mean that way...

[LuvLoogie]

27. What guy would that be? Tell me about him.

[lunamagica]

29. huh? How do I know what? What post are you answering? I haven't mentione Sanders AT ALL

I'm talking about posters on DU who never cared about Black issues, never postd about them on DU, and now all of a sudden
are defenders of BLM.

[passiveporcupine]

74. Well, that last part is where you are wrong.

I've seen a lot of threads on DU, about blacks being killed by police...about BLM...about cases like Sandra Bland, and I have seen a lot of support from DU members. I always read those posts. I think a lot of Sander's supporters are strong advocates of BLM and Sander's social justice platforms to address inequality of minorities.

Now posts like this one, I have not seen a lot of...as a matter of fact it's the first one I've seen this nasty, up close and personal. I am appalled that anyone on DU would cheer it on. I'm embarrassed for Sander's supporters that some here cheered it on.

[litlbilly]

3. truth is truth

[alcibiades_mystery]

4. You ain't kidding

Just now, at this moment, when it became clear that the last "rising tide lifts all boats" argument wasn't resonating.

Just now, at this moment, when the prospect of massive losses (indeed, a sweep) in states with big African American populations became clear.

Just now, at this moment, a bunch of people are suddenly concerned and lecturing?

Come on, now.

Whatever, though. I mean, people always try to exploit a political advantage. With all their lecturing about race being derivative and subordinate to class as a site of exploitation going nowhere, it's on to this other attack. Fine. That's the way these games work.

The whole thing stinks of desperation, you ask me. Two weeks ago some of these people thought they could pull out South Carolina. But just now, at this moment...

[NanceGreggs]

11. ...

[TTUBatfan2008]

12. Michelle Alexander

Wrote an article about this a couple weeks ago. Heck, she wrote a book about it years ago. People chose to ignore her work. It took the BLM activist directly confronting Hillary to get more attention on the fact that the Clintons are not saints on issues affecting minorities.

[1StrongBlackMan]

54. +1. eom

[rbrnmw]

66. I was told he can get the nomination without the black vote

because millennials will show up and overwhelm the black vote. So why all the sudden the concern about the black vote.

[leftofcool]

5. Excellent post, Effie!

I am afraid this will fall on deaf ears, however.

[Lucinda]

7. Another great post Effie.

Thank you!

[Bobbie Jo]

13. Truth. nt

[frazzled]

14. Charles Blow has an interesting op-ed today that touches on this

and especially on the particular position of Southern blacks. It's worth a whole read, but just a snippet or two:

Black voters are not monolithic and of one mind. There are a hundred ways to analyze the factions within the black community, but I want to highlight one cleavage I find particularly relevant to discussing the overwhelming disparity in support for Clinton over Sanders.

There isn’t one black America, but two: The children of the Great Migration and the children of those who stayed behind in the South. (Black immigrants are another story.) Having spent the first half of my life in the South and the second in Great Migration destination cities, I can attest that the sensibilities are as different as night and day.

...

Southerners in general bristle at this idea that they must be steered, that they can’t set their own course. They don’t want to be told that their abundance of caution is a deficit of imagination. And, they don’t want to be told, “Once you just learn about Bernie, you’ll like him and realize he’s the best candidate for you.”

My sense of it is that charge would be met with a question that frames things in precisely the opposite way: How is it that a person could be 74 years old, spend his life championing my interests and spend decades as a politician, and I not know him? Why is it that I’ve never seen him here in the South?

Indeed, Sanders’s compelling narrative on civil rights advocacy is strangely devoid of Southern touchstones.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/25/opinion/campaign-stops/clinton-sanders-and-southern-voters.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region

[Starry Messenger]

21. Thanks, good snippet.

I hadn't seen that.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

44. Mr. Blow has been so on point! Love that man!

[TM99]

15. Stop attempting to speak for all minorities.

You don't. Neither do I.

Criticizing aspects of the BLM approaches to activism this past summer was not a wholesale dismissal of the importance of their message. Out of the three major candidates, Sanders was the first to take it seriously and to incorporate racial justice and criminal system reform into his position statements and stump speeches. His supporters applauded that support for the intervening month.

I am sorry but it appears to be a made up distortion of reality to now attack them for their rightful criticisms of how Clinton handled this young BLM activist. There is rampant hypocrisy on display. And there is feigned outrage at the 'outrage'.

This is a discussion board about politics. Issues being discussed are often triggered by what is occurring including elections. Most people, no matter their race, gender, orientation, etc., speak out all the time on these issues unless they themselves are personally involved. How many black straight DU'ers spoke out against the 'gay purge' after Obama's election and choice of Rick Warren to 'pray' for him? How many white LGBT DU'ers have spoke out against the violence against black youth before BLM began to make waves last year? Do you get my point now?

We are all free of course to dismiss any one on these boards or elsewhere. And it is very foolish to dismiss our potential allies. Sanders is the only candidate this election season truly fighting and pushing for what the civil rights movement was always about - social AND economic justice. Anyone with even a cursory knowledge of the writings of MLK and Malcolm X get this.

[farleftlib]

24. I just have to say

[Arazi]

25. Thank you! Beautifully said

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. Correct

but this is a talking point being tested

[Hydra]

93. Well said n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. Ok let's play a game of SPOT THE TALKING POINT

[farleftlib]

20. How is this different than the piling on of Bernie Sanders POC "problem"?

for weeks. If anybody dared to point to his civil right record we were accused of every kind of pandering and Berniesplaining.
Nothing he did was good enough and no explanation or defense was legit.

Frustrating isn't it?

[great white snark]

26. Pure truth.

Thank you EffieBlack.

[1StrongBlackMan]

28. +1 ... Now trash OP without returning being ...

the majority of response will be defensive denial.

[dubyadiprecession]

31. She is the worst person who ever lived !!! Check her scalp for 666!!!!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

40. Many of us POC have made this point over and over again. It's fallen on deaf ears. Wonder why...

Hmmm....

[bettyellen]

48. Noticed this too. You go, Effie!

[jwirr]

56. My anger is not so much about her bigotry - it is about the

theory of John DiIulio regarding the idea of incarcerating people who can never be rehabilitated. This theory is not new - it was around in the late 1890s and 1920s and they called it eugenics.

Why am I upset? Because I experienced it also. Not from a racial stand point but from the point of a mental illness in the family. I can trace 5 generations of mental illness in my immediate family. A two great aunts who were put into institutions for life, a aunt who was also place in the institution but let out in the late 50s when nothing was left of her life. My mother who was lucky enough to be left home after shock treatment and my little brother who is home because we now understand what was going on and our family protects him. All those before my mother were sterilized so that there could be no children.

And I know that this was happening in black communities even more.

What I am angry about is that the Clintons could fall for this stupid discriminating theory in the 90s. Pure southern bull. We have known better since the late 70s and yet they used this theory to create a system that incarcerated so many people.

Sorry but I do not see that they were using their heads at all following this theory. And since I still have my brother and my daughter who would have been victims of this theory - I want nothing to do with them and their flawed theory.

If you think I do not have a right to be angry with her I am sorry but I have been fighting this shit all my life. Not going to stop now because it doesn't suit someone else.

[Armstead]

57. You assume it's "sudden conversions" by cynical sanders supporters

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I am a equally suspicious of the "sudden conversion" of Clinton supporters who suddenly became champions of racial issues as soon as Sanders announced his candidacy.

I am NOT referring to AAs and others who have genuinely have been fighting for these issues before.

What I would say is there are a lot of people -- I include myself -- who have long been supportive of the goals of civil rights and racial justice and equality. Try to practice it in daily life and in whatever little contributions we can make.

However, the whole country -- at least the white portion -- was lulled into a certain complacency by some of the progress that had been made. And got a wake up call in the last few years, when so much stuff came bubbling up.

These are deep seated issues, and we all have to deal with them honestly.

But IMO they should not be made into a political opportunity in a Democratic primary -- as both candidates have the same basic goals. The snipes and digs from both sides (and I've done it from the Bernie side) in the hothouse environment that has been created are one of the sad aspects of this campaign.

[bettyellen]

65. I think you'd have to be a regular in the AA forum to get the full picture.

But I largely agree with you.

[rbrnmw]

72. This is what I said about this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=42765

[Persondem]

58. Great post. K & R nt

[whatchamacallit]

61. I think a lot of it is schadenfreude

Bernie and his supporters have been the recipients of an endless beatdown over Bernie's alleged racial insensitivity. We always knew there would be rank hypocrisy if and when the shoe was on the other foot, and here it is. Enjoy the shitshow.

[farleftlib]

69. Exactly Right!

When they were piling on Bernie apropos of nothing, just a meme from the Hillary camp that he had a POC "problem" we weren't supposed to mount any defense. If you defended him, it was just further evidence of Bernie's racial insensitivity. Now the shoe is on the other foot and Waaaaaah! they don't like it at all. I call BS.

[californiabernin]

70. I don't understand why any democrat would support her

other than the "electability" argument which is a false argument. She will very likely lose to Trump for reasons that have been explained again and again here and elsewhere.

White, Black, gay, straight, latino, woman, man....I don't understand why anyone supports her. It boggles my mind, seriously I'm not kidding!

[retrowire]

73. If I'm reading this correctly...

It's basically saying, "If you showed no concern for the plight of PoC before this outrage over Hillary, then your concern is seen as insincere."

Right? If so, yes that totally makes sense.

[zentrum]

75. Even if all the

…..supporters of Bernie are deeply flawed, blinded by privilege and complacency until this election—even if their "concern" is all suspect, the fact remains that Clinton's Prison Reform Bill, Welfare Reform Bill, and NAFTA fell harder—by objective standards—on black women, children and families than on anyone else. (She spoke and advocated for all of these even though it was her husband's doing.)

Yes, poor White families use the majority of Welfare benefits but because the standards fell harder on Black families (in the South especially) it greatly increased the poverty level of already struggling Black families and left them high and dry.

The Prison reform bill is unspeakably unfair—adding to the disporportionate number of Black people this country imprisons. Thereby losing their voting rights for life. It's a shameful travesty of justice.

HRC never talked about income disparity as a central issue for her —until this election.

And what about her dog-whistle innuendos against Obama in 2008? It was appalling.

There are some objective facts, beyond the limitations of Bernie supporters.

[Major Hogwash]

77. We all voted for President Obama, twice, because we're racists?

So, we haven't spent the last 15 years posting at DU promoting equality between all of the races of people on this earth because we are racists?

This is why Obama beat Hillary in 2008 in the race for the nomination.

This thread stinks.

[1StrongBlackMan]

89. You interpreted the OP to, somehow, be calling ...

someone a racist?

Perhaps, you should re-read the OP.

[markj757]

80. I strongly agree....and its sad....

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because I'm a perfect example of exactly what was written in this thread. I made a thoughtful and respectful comment to a Bernie supporter in reference to the black community and Spike Lee's endorsement, and was responded to in the most rude and ignorant manner. I responded with the same tone, and the Bernie folks ganged up on me to have my comment hidden, but never challenged the post in which I responded. Whether its attacking and mocking John Lewis, or other insults and ignorance displayed about the black community as a whole, it has been extraordinarily disappointing to read the level of ignorance on display by so called "liberal" democrats and Bernie supporters. And as I have wrote before, it does such a disservice to the candidate they claim to support, because I know, Bernie doesn't subscribe to venom on display in their post, even as he struggles to increase his share of the black vote to try and win this nomination.

I thought this was the DemocraticUnderground, not the BernieUnderground. Hillary and Bernie maybe in a battle for the nomination, but they are not enemies. The black community may be strongly supportive of Hillary, but that doesn't mean as a community we don't love and respect Bernie, and what he is trying to accomplish. I use to look forward to coming to this site, but now its turning into something, that no longer feels like home, and I think its going beyond just the rabid support of Bernie. It's becoming a left wing mirror image of fox news/drudge report. Where intelligent debate about controversial things like TPP are boiled down to dumb ass statements like "I no longer respect Obama because of TPP, and he will only be remembered as the First Black President" Yes, that's what I read on a site called the DemocraticUnderground, and that's what get K&Rs. You almost can't have intelligent debate with these people anymore, and its just sad because I thought this is where you go for exactly that type of intelligent debate on issues important to the Democratic party.

[EffieBlack]

82. I agree with you 100%

[BainsBane]

81. Exactly.

kick and rec.

[betsuni]

83. K&R

[NurseJackie]

86. Da-a-amn!

Nailed it.

[Waiting For Everyman]

88. Good luck with that.

I won't be listening to one word the pro-Hillary black community has to say about prisons. Or any other thing.

People like Ashley Williams, who have enough sense not to empower the problem, I will listen to. Buh bye.

[markj757]

90. Thank you for proving the point of this thread....

and my post....enough said.

[Waiting For Everyman]

92. Proving who I will listen to?

This election is separating the real from the fake. In that sense, it's extremely worthwhile no matter what happens.

As Ashley Williams' action shows, many (black, white, and all races) who were taken in before are fooled no longer, and there's no doubt that number will continue to grow.

[Hiraeth]

91. NOT GOOD ENOUGH, BERNIE !!

[William769]

94. Kick & very highly recommended!

[noiretextatique]

95. Bernie is tone deaf on race...wasn't that the line that opened this can of worms?

What goes around, comes around.

[EffieBlack]

96. No, not at all

People have been pointing out Bernie's tone-deafness and some of his supporters' arrogance, condescension and hostility for months. But it is only in the last couple of weeks, as the black vote in South Carolina and elsewhere has begun to loom large, that we have seen an explosive escalation in the "concern" about Hillary's record on race.

[nadinbrzezinski]

97. Hmm will try putting this in the virtual trash again

somehow it came out.