Statement from Ashley Williams on Hillary Clinton's "apology.

[Truprogressive85]

[leftofcool]

1. That's quite telling, I think.

[Lucinda]

3. Extremely. n/t

[leftofcool]

16. Now we know what her real objective was.

[Fawke Em]

49. I knew what it was last night.

Exactly what she said here.

[roguevalley]

78. her intention last night was justice for herself and everyone else. I applaud her.

[Jitter65]

125. BLM does not get from me the support that the Black Panthers did in their activism. Here is why.

The Black Panthers were on the ground actually putting their lives on the line but they were helping people in their communities. Feeding children, PROTECTING the elderly in their neighborhoods...yes protecting them from police brutality AND from the brutality fostered by some upon the elderly and disabled in their own neighborhoods.

Yes, I remember well the turmoil during those times and times right after. And I remember aunts and uncles and grandmothers in the late 70's being attacked by some of the kids two or three blocks away but still in our neighborhoods in Baltimore and Philadelphia. Yes, some, not all of these hoodlums were called predators because they fit the definition of a predator. Until you have an elder in your family stumble through the door bloodied by an attack on the way home from work you can't begin to feel the horror of fearing to walk the streets in your own neighborhood.

Sure, the drugs and "hot goods" were brought into the neighborhoods from outside and backed by other than blacks but the criminal behavior was not forced upon anyone. We knew these kids, we knew their families. We knew that some mothers were afraid to even confront their own children and their friends.

So here is my beef with BLM: Until they feel as fervent about confronting their peers in their own neighborhoods who continue to attack and shoot and kill young black children, who continue to strike fear in the hearts and minds of the homeless and the elderly of their own neighborhoods, I can't be as angry about loose and hurtful words spoken decades ago by people we don't like today. Most of the BLM movement was not even born during those times but they are living and protesting right now. I love that they are calling attention to the brutality of law enforcement today and fighting the intolerable and unfair justice system that claims so many promising black lives. Their movement was focused on this and doing a great job UNTILL is was hijacked by political operatives focused only on disrupting the campaign of candidates they don't like...even though they candidates on our side are working for many of the same objectives.

[questionseverything]

141. blm is fighting the mindset the clinton's established

history is a dangerous thing if people don't pay attention

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511339737

[Jitter65]

142. The Clintons did not establish a "mindset." They were met with hostile sentiment the first day of

Bill's election. People really didn't like his message of inclusion and the ease with which the Clintons accepted and moved among minorities and the poor. It started just like Obama's first term though more sublet and clandestine. Clinton accomplished a lot for minorities and they enjoyed a huge leap in income and entrance into the middle class. Most of the parents and grandparents of the millennials remember being able to get a good job with good benefits and the opportunity to fund their children's education with the new found wealth and credit opportunities that home ownership provided. It was not Clinton's fault that a good idea was taken over by greedy, seedy vulture capitalists. Go back, search the record look at his platform, look at his cabinet appointments. Loni Guiner didn't make it through and she never would have been confirmed but who else but Clinton would even have nominated her?

Peace!

[immoderate]

143. Clintons benefited from tech bubble. Minorities helped themselves.

--imm

[questionseverything]

158. since you obviously didn't read the link..from that op

Who Hillary was quoting in 1996 - this is important.


When Hillary was talking about superpredators, she was quoting John J. DiIulio, Jr..

He was invited to the Clinton White House to help them come up with a solution to youth crime in 1995.

That happened because he came up with a popular (in the media) theory that a large chunk of "inner city" youth were basically becoming "monsters". Particularly the black youth.

&quot DiIulio) is impatient with those who believe that treating black criminals harshly is somehow inimical to the interests of blacks in general."

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1995-05-08/news/1995128167_1_black-crime-diiulio-silent-majority

This idea was promoted by DiIulio in dozens of articles in national papers and most noteably in the book Body Count

That book starts with the premise that the Reagan-Bush drug war "the most successful attack on a serious social problem in the last quarter-century," and goes downhill fast, predicting that a new strain of monster children were preying on society, and a large group of them were about to be unleashed... so we better start locking up juveniles - and FAST!

Criminals, especially the pathological variety our family-less culture has been producing in the last generation or so, cannot be rehabilitated, reformed or saved, Mr. DiIulio believes. They are the bitter fruit of loveless, abusive unions of unsocialized people. Having received nothing, they are without human compassion. They kill and rape without mercy or remorse. They can only be incapacitated by prison.

..first, he would reform the criminal justice system so that predatory criminals, adult and juvenile, would stay in jail for a very long time.


This wasn't about gangs either... in fact he repeatedly said that superpredators looked up to gangs, or tried to emulate drug dealers... they weren't either.. they were just inhuman monsters.

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yes it is the mindset they cemented into the public view,which leads to deaths of boys like tamir rice

[Rockyj]

160. Don't forget CIA Bringing Crack to our streets

Mexican official: CIA 'manages' drug trade
Spokesman for Chihuahua state says US agencies don't want to end drug trade, a claim denied by other Mexican officials.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1251&pid=1345327

As a Native American, Black on black crime & black crime was created by the racist white establishment! Which was supported by Democrats too as they were too scared to vote for better gun laws. When youth see no hope for their future they will turn on each other.

[bjobotts]

157. Completely different groups in completely different times.BLM has gotten far more people to say BLM

than the Panthers ever did. Smart

[rhett o rick]

153. It was well written and explains well how H. Clinton isn't a friend of the AA community

or any other community in the 99%. Her number one objective is gaining wealth and power. She is definitely not on our side of this class war.

[libtodeath]

6. Telling that this is a young person of honor and principle

not so much for Hillary.

[leftofcool]

9. People with honor and principles usually accept apologies

She might has just as easily said, "I don't agree with Hillary but I will accept her apology and move forward." What this actually tells me is that she is not really someone who cares but more someone who just wants to disrupt.

[libtodeath]

17. A sorry but I was right statement doesnt mean much.

[jeff47]

25. Except Clinton only claimed she would not use that word anymore.

Not an apology for using it, and much more importantly, not an apology for pushing the policy.

[840high]

58. xactly

[SoLeftIAmRight]

99. one right wing bumper sticker slogan down - many many more to go

it is sad that the third way dems speak like republicans

[EdwardBernays]

32. lying

is not an apology...

I hope you're not also lying.

[CorporatistNation]

97. AGREED!!!

!

[shawn703]

38. Wow

Just wow

[Arazi]

55. There's no apology there

'In a written response to The Washington Post's Jonathan Capehart on the issue Thursday, Clinton said: “Looking back, I shouldn’t have used those words, and I wouldn’t use them today."'

[artislife]

82. Well jeeze...misspeaking it just "terrible"

They are effing lawyers. There is not a word that they haven't vetted in any prepared speech.

She chose her words carefully to convey exactly the meaning she wanted to say.

[Unknown Beatle]

151. But she did use them because she meant them.

Wow, Hillary! Your whole political life has been "Looking back, I shouldn’t have used those words."

Talk about major flip-flopping. Hillary is worse than a thousand fish out of water.

[ellennelle]

83. hillary did not deliver an apology

it was a dismissal and a dodge. "gosh, i misspoke. now can we look at all the shiny proud moments in my list of achievements that overshadow..., well everything, but most starkly, this young woman's complaint. this young woman's experience. this young woman's pain..... where was i?"

hillary did not apologize at all, because she did not own anything!!! that's the ONLY reason anyone should ever accept an apology. without owning her own culpability, the implications, and the consequences of her words 20 years ago, she is offering nothing more than an 'oops' for putting a lit match to the whole damn barn.

you so do not get this, just as hillary so does not get this.

[Merryland]

128. It was absolutely deceptive of media to call this an "apology"

But then, there is no real media anymore to speak of, except online.

[passiveporcupine]

96. Have not heard Hillary's apology. Link?

All I heard her say was "I should not have used that term"...or something to that effect.

[Arazi]

133. Here

'In a written response to The Washington Post's Jonathan Capehart on the issue Thursday, Clinton said: “Looking back, I shouldn’t have used those words, and I wouldn’t use them today."' 

[passiveporcupine]

148. there is no I'm sorry in there.

Just a whoops, I made a mistake. At least Bill said I'm sorry.

[Arazi]

149. Yup eom

[Lordquinton]

118. "I'm sorry" isn't a magic word

An apology is given, not taken. The Ball is still in Clinton's court to actually address the issues, not just say "Sorry" and hope everyone drops it. Maybe when she acts to undo the damage she caused, she can start to ask for forgiveness.

Forcing people to accept an apology they feel isn't good enough shows low character.

[truebluegreen]

135. She should accept a non-apology apology?

Sorry if you were offended? Sorry I used that word? or Sorry for what the policies I advocated have DONE?

[Unknown Beatle]

150. What this actually tells me is that

the whole point went over your head.

It's so obvious that the policies that Bill and Hillary advocated for and then passed into law have been disastrous for POC, yet she should just accept the apology and just move on? Moving on is not the answer, action is the answer but Hillary would just rather we all move on and forget about it. Move on to action is more like it.

[riversedge]

2. Sanders voted for this crime bill. Why the double standand? She demands an apology

from Clinton--who did not vote for the bill--but not from Sanders.

[Jitter65]

4. Beats me. I guess she just doesn't like HRC. nt

[morningfog]

10. Sanders didn't make a racist statement in support.

The opposite in fact. He recognized poverty as the root cause at the time.

Hillary made horribly racist comments.

[appalachiablue]

40. Feb. 25 Sanders Press Release: 1994 Crime Bill; Clinton Dog Whistle Politics, Dehumanizing Language

Press Release

Sanders Voted for 1994 Crime Bill to Support Assault Weapons Ban, Violence Against Women Provisions
February 25, 2016

FLINT, Mich. – U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders’ campaign manager on Thursday reiterated the senator’s reasoning for voting in favor of the Clinton administration’s 1994 Crime Bill despite serious reservations. The House version of the bill included a ban on semi-automatic assault weapons. Sanders had supported the ban since 1988. The conference committee version included not only the assault weapons ban but also the Violence Against Women Act provisions. Sanders supported these efforts to protect women.

In Sanders’ statement at the time, he criticized the mass incarceration and death penalty provisions in the bill, saying:

“…it is also my view that through the neglect of our Government and through a grossly irrational set of priorities, we are dooming tens of millions of young people to a future of bitterness, misery, hopelessness, drugs, crime, and violence.

And Mr. Speaker, all the jails in the world, and we already imprison more people per capita than any other country, and all of the executions in the world, will not make that situation right. We can either educate or electrocute. We can create meaningful jobs, rebuilding our society, or we can build more jails.

Mr. Speaker, let us create a society of hope and compassion, not one of hate and vengeance.”

During consideration of the bill, Sanders voted six times to weaken or eliminate the death penalty provisions and voted separately against creating new mandatory minimums. Then-First Lady Hillary Clinton spoke strongly in favor of increased incarceration, labeling at risk youth as “super-predators” who had to be “brought to heel.”

“When this so-called crime bill was being considered, Bernie Sanders criticized its harsh incarceration and death penalty provisions,” said Jeff Weaver, Sanders’ campaign manager. “Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, resorted to dog whistle politics and dehumanizing language. Bernie was right then and he’s right now. We need to invest in those communities that have been neglected in this country. Poor communities – more often than not, communities of color – deserve the same opportunities and education that other communities have. Bernie Sanders has always known jails and incarceration are not the answer. Nor is heated rhetoric against young people of any race. You can’t throw vulnerable people under the bus just because it’s politically expedient.”

https://berniesanders.com/press-release/sanders-voted-for-1994-crime-bill-to-support-assault-weapons-ban-violence-against-women-provisions/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511339700

[riversedge]

69. Sanders is mud slinging puke last couple of days Just shows how low he will go in his despiration

[Perogie]

73. Yes, because Hillary has never thrown stuff from the gutter

Except during the 2008 Primary.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2007/12/clinton-staffer-on-anti-obama-email-chain-updated-004503

[riversedge]

79. The Force is with Hillary-- Folks do not like below the belt mudsliing.

[The Redheaded Guy]

105. I'm viewing Clinton as Darth Vader...

The Force has left Hillary a long time ago. It is with this person.












Obi Wan "Bernie" Sanders.

[Phlem]

130. ! What a load!

[Unknown Beatle]

154. It's more like The Farce is with Hillary.

[tommcc99]

80. If you are going to take shots at Bernie at least get your spelling correct.

The word you are looking for is desperation not despiration.

As for the grammar, content or logic of your message, that is beyond repair.

[valerief]

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20. Shaun King: "Stop saying that Bernie Sanders was for the Crime Bill"

Stop saying that Bernie Sanders was for the crime bill. He spoke over and over and over again against it.

Here he is, calling it what it really was, a punishment bill, that came after poor people and Black folk.

When he eventually supported a version of it, he openly stated that he only did so because of the new laws protecting women in the bill, but be clear, he always opposed it, and did so with great passion.

[leftofcool]

28. If he opposed it, he shouldn't have signed it.

[Qutzupalotl]

42. But then you'd call him anti-woman,

since the VAWA was bundled with it.

[shawn703]

48. But then Camp Clinton would be saying he supports violence against women

[Aerows]

51. If he hadn't have signed it

You would be harping on the fact that he signed a bill in opposition of its support for women.

That's kind of like what you guys did when he failed to sign the "Brady Bill" and have repeatedly sandbagged him for that, called him an NRA darling, etc. None of you who have done so dare to mention WHY he voted against it.

It wasn't because he was against the Brady bill - he thought it was too lax.

Just like this bill, you state "But Bernie signed it!" because the cost of doing so to other things in the bill would have been too high.

Don't let me get in the way of a deliberately deceptive narrative, though.

[TM99]

60. Signed it?

Was that a Freudian slip about who will be the next President signing bills?

He spoke out actively against it but omnibus bills suck. It was a perfect example of Clinton triangulation. Pack a right-loving tough on crime, increase the drug war provision in with left-loving VAWA and the assault weapon ban. Damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

Why didn't Bill Clinton veto it until a clean crime bill minus the rest was given to him if he was so gungho to fight 'super predators' terrorizing the urban areas of America?

[Perogie]

74. I guess he chose the lesser of two evils

Support the bill because it helped protect women or vote against it and forget about the good parts of the bill.

[ellennelle]

87. what part of the legislation process do you not get?

no bill that makes it thru congress is one issue.

i'll not waste my time trying to educate you when that is your responsibility.

please, hillary peeps. you make it so damn hard to muster even an ounce of respect because you come here with nothing more than snide sneering devoid of logic or factual support.

which can mean only one thing.

RWN trolls!

you can't expect us to do more than ignore you.

[Kensan]

108. Absolutely spot on!!

Your point about how legislation rarely gets passed without something distasteful being added to the mix is conveniently ignored when talking about voting records. The most benign provisions/amendments usually amount to "pork projects" used to incentivize a few extra much needed votes (not to mention provide some bragging rights about bringing the $$ back to their state/district).

I find it hard to fathom why several DU poster are so reluctant to understand why certain votes can't be cherry-picked down to specific line items. OK, it's not actually that hard to fathom. If you can't change/mitigate/eliminate a horrible provision through the amendment process or through the joint committee resolution, you are left with either voting to scuttle the entire bill or accept the bitter taste if there are still provisions that are for the greater good. You and several others have pointed to actual contemporaneous evidence showing the thinking behind some of those past votes now being used to criticize a candidate.

It is very rare indeed that a bill comes along where you vote on a single issue. My memory isn't what it used to be, but I do seem to recall a single issue bill of particular importance. They didn't even use the tried and tested Republican trick of naming it something that's really the exact opposite of what it really means. In my best impersonation of Condi Rice.....I think it was called something like, Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq.

[rhett o rick]

159. The bottom line is covered by the OP. She knows that Sanders unlike Clinton

supported the AA community. And her main quality has been told over and over as being "tough". Problem is she is tough on the 99% and not the 1%.

[TheSocialDem]

98. i just dont understand...

how democrats can see these videos of bernie standing up for progressive values (and being right on ALL the issues) for his entire life and not be inspired and wanting to put this guy in the highest office and let him go to work for us! he has been on point his entire life! Hilary has been right here and there and wrong here and there, but with the luxury of hindsight, we can see that bernie has just been right on virtually everything.... and on top of that he isnt bought! i get that hillary has been a life long democrat, but bernie embodies democratic values.. all you hillary voters, im sorry but bernie is the real deal and the only person who can really fix the dysfunction in Washington.

[NJCher]

119. Sums it up pretty, pretty, pretty well

Which leaves the possibility that logic and common sense are not it.

Hmmm, wonder what it could be?



Cher

[AllyCat]

129. Actually, she has not been a lifelong Democrat. She was a Republican in college

Sanders is representing what the Democratic Party used to be about. So we are voting for he man, not the party.

[ellennelle]

84. oh FFS

would you people get a clue?

seriously! educate yourselves! it's not as if these points have never been made here, but you insist on ignoring them.

google; it's a gift

bernie gave more than one impassioned speech against the whole bill. he ended up voting for it when it was clear it would pass as it because it included automatic weapon restrictions and support for violence against women.

ok?

can you just stop with this nonsense?

[Vattel]

107. To quote forjusticethunders:

"Bernie Sanders voted AGAINST a 1991 Crime Bill that was mostly focused on mass incarceration and get tough policies.
He repeatedly spoke about the danger of focusing on get tough policy aimed at African Americans, and appealed over and over that government focus on rebuilding urban communities.
In 1994, the bill he voted against came back up for a vote, THIS TIME bundled with the Assault Weapons Ban and the Violence Against Women Act. Essentially a poison pill and Bernie swallowed with reservations. You can criticize him for that, and I think that's fair.

What he DIDNT do, is uncritically stump for the same bill, using language that would have made Nixon blush."

[liberalmike27]

137. Trying to Find

This article I wrote the other day. But this is much like other simplistic accusations of "you voted for/against this bill," including the gun bill.

We all know, Bills have many things in them. Rarely does a bill do just one thing--sometimes it does many things, on many different areas. The crime bill was like this. It had money for prisons, more cops on the street, it had provisions for women, to specifically address problems. It also had things like mandatory sentences, increased death penalty provisions, for lesser crimes, and some fairly onerous provisions.

I can't find it, but I read an article the other day, salted with videos, where Sanders specifically calls out amendments to this bill, the very ones he did not like in the bill. Did he vote for the overall bill? Of course--like I said, it had "some" good things. Did he agree with every provision? Hell no. And in this piece, he speaks out against the onerous stuff.

just because you voted for it, doesn't mean you supported every item in the bill, as they're usually filled with good and bad stuff. Suffice it to say, there was much in the bill that more specifically affected blacks, saddled them with mandatory sentences, often taking away their voting rights for life.

[Avalux]

152. Apples and Oranges. Clinton defended the bill.

She didn't hold an elected office, yet she actively campaigned for it.

If you understood how a bill becomes a law and middle-of-the-night riders, you'd understand why this young activist isn't asking Sanders for an apology.

[Arazi]

5. Wow!!! Righteous rant!!

[Jitter65]

7. Rather than asking for an "apology" BLM should be asking how HRC might correct the errors of the

past if elected to office. That would be a much more substantive and mature request, I think.

[morningfog]

11. Nah. This is the better course. Make her explain herself and apologize.

[bettyellen]

27. actually that is what Hillary was talking about when disrupted.... and Ashley is an indie protester

this was not done under BLMs direction or approval.

[leftofcool]

35. That information was in an email I received today.

[Fawke Em]

54. Yet, most of its members are supporting what she did. eom

[bettyellen]

72. Cool, I am all for protest! It did not seem she wanted answers any more than they did when

jumping up on the stage with Bernie. It is what it is- a pulpit for the protester.

[BillZBubb]

109. Wrong.

The protest at Bernie's event had nothing to do with anything Bernie had said or done. It was meant to draw attention to the BLM issue.

The protest against Hillary was based SPECIFICALLY at Hillary's past racism and actions against the black community. And I'm sure she would have loved to have an answer, but Hillary was never going to give one.

Huge difference.

[bettyellen]

113. the protest had to do with his lack of attention to POC- he had not yet said anything about race at

that point in his stump speeches, and he quickly added stuff to his web site and stump speech in the weeks following.

Ironically, I thought Hillary was actually talking about mass incarceration when this protestor interrupted. It might have been more interesting if she had anything to say about what Hillary was saying- since she was OT.

[BillZBubb]

114. You conveniently gloss over the part about Hillary's past racist actions. Why is that?

[bettyellen]

115. you were ill informed as to BLM's complaints about SBS, so I just thought I'd clue you in.

I think we both know exactly what yesterday's protest was about. There were like twenty threads on it, thanks!

[zalinda]

122. Did you actually listen to any of Bernie's speeches before BLM?

He had been talking about POC all along, even before running for President. This is why so many Bernie supporters couldn't understand why BLM was there at Bernie's speech.

I would put in links, but I doubt you'd even go to one of them.

Z

[bettyellen]

144. His stump speeches and I looked at his website too. He added all that AFTER his run in with BLM.

I was informed that over the years he had talked about racism and prisons (as well as women's healthcare- because i noticed that was missing too) for a lot over the years. It still bothered me that it was missing.

When I talked to friends (who have known and loved Bernie for years) about it, they told me it was always part of his strategy to avoid "wedge issues" so he could broaden his appeal to Independents and Republicans.

[loyalsister]

8. Ashley Williams is a bold advocate

I hope we continue to hear from her often!

If Hillary has a shred of political acumen she will try to meet with her. Her low tolerance for criticism will not allow that, though.

[leftofcool]

13. I think Hillary would have been happy to meet with her.

There is no reason for her to do so now. Hillary offered, it was not accepted, so be it.

[loyalsister]

23. She offered a dismissive, no fault, non apology

It was righteously rejected. I have not seen a report where she offered an actual meeting.

[Lucinda]

30. Watch the video. Hillary tried a few times to tell her she would talk with her. n/t

[kennetha]

36. typical rude entitled milennial who wants to shout people down but never listen and learn.

[Lucinda]

41. She could have had a one on one with the person most likely to be the next

POTUS. It is very telling that she didn't bother to take advantage of it. It sees pretty clear to me, it was all about disruption, and getting it on video.

She wasted a great opportunity.

[leftofcool]

43. And we now know what her true intentions were

[Fawke Em]

56. Better than the typical Gen Xer or Boomer who remains cowed by the establishment and

either has to work their entire life or starve.

[TM99]

62. Oh I am just tickled pink at the hypocrisy

on display by Clinton supporters in this thread.

Please keep it up! It is fucking delicious!!!

[Marty McGraw]

127. and is probably good not

to have them on ignore. How would anyone know if the ones on ignore aren't jumpin' down the throats of anyone new to DU getting a bad taste of this site due to the rhetoric of such a mouthy few.

[loyalsister]

66. She talked to her and at her, but showed no interest in talking WITH her

After a few short non responsive statements, she directed the interaction back to "the issues that are important to ME."
Hillary Clinton was disrespectful and dismissive when this woman was trying to talk to her about pain so many Black people feel resulting from the policies she promoted. Families were destroyed, thrown into poverty, and as it stands today, Black men are beating the odds if they are alive, have not gone to prison, and are gainfully employed.

THAT is the Clinton legacy.

[ultragreen]

116. You do not understand the goal of the protester

The protester did not request a private meeting with Hillary Clinton. She requested a public apology from Hillary Clinton for the racist mischaracterizations that she has made in the past. Hillary Clinton did not do this.

[Dragonfli]

161. Bullshit, she said she "would be happy to discuss" meanwhile one of her goons threw her out insteed

If, instead, she called off her brawny bullies and allowed her to stay and actually discuss it, you might have had a point.

Having her thrown out shows the opposite of "being happy to discuss".




I get so sick of the lies sometimes I could

[kennetha]

12. What about all the members of the black caucus who voted for that Bill too?

Does a whole generation of politicians owe her an apology?

[leftofcool]

15. Good question

[magical thyme]

81. she didn't ask for an apology to herself, but to the black community

and frankly, yes, a whole generation of politicians owes an apology...and far more.

It's past time to rectify the damage done.

[morningfog]

14. Ashley is great. Courageous and in the right.

[kennetha]

19. she is uninformed

that Bill had many supporters in the Black Community. It was a huge sweeping thing that had many moving parts.

[morningfog]

22. It lead to mass incarceration of black men. Bill regrets it.

It was wrong. Ashley is right.

[kennetha]

26. Ask everybody for an apology

including the black caucus, Bernie Sanders, legions of black folks who wanted it.

Hillary Clinton wasn't even in public office at the time. She was just the president's wife.

[morningfog]

29. She the one who made the racist statement and is now asking for black support.

[kennetha]

33. what is racist about calling kids who commit

heinous, brutal murders and terrorize inner city communities predators?

What are you an apologist for murder now in the name of supporting Sanders?

[morningfog]

37. Kids are not and cannot be super predators. No kid should ever be brought to heel.

She was talking about kids in inner city poverty. It was racist and everyone knows it. Even you. You just aren't being honest because you care more about your current candidate

[kennetha]

44. let's see what you would feel if your own kids were gunned down by a bunch of teen-aged drug dealers

in a drive by shooting.

Do you know what the murder rate was like in the 90's and how much it has declined since then. And how heavily urban communities were being hit by drive by shootings and the like?


Here's a link. Educate yourself.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1

[morningfog]

45. Educate yourself. You don't have to turn racist to offer a solution.

[kennetha]

46. I assure you I am not racist

[morningfog]

47. Never said you were. But Hillary made a racist comment to support a bad bill.

[kennetha]

50. That wasn't a racist comment

murders are cold-blooded predators. people who murder to settle scores and have entire communities terrorized are super predators.

The black community wanted those people out of there neighborhoods, off their streets, out of their schools.

[morningfog]

52. You are lying. It was racist. Kids, super predator, heel.

Racist as fuck.

[kennetha]

57. tell that to the members of the black community who felt victimized by the unbearable spree

of murder and mayhem in urban America.

Black Americans Supported the 1994 Crime Bill, Too

[morningfog]

59. Show me one member of the black community who said kids needed to be brought to heel.

[kennetha]

61. I'll show you thousands and thousands.

If you read these two pieces, you’d get the sense that crime policy was not developed to solve any problem, that these laws were created just to put away black folks. In many ways, I started my journey in this literature because I thought the dominant scholars were completely ignoring the effects of crime on people’s lives. I grew up in Brownsville [a high-crime neighborhood in Brooklyn], and I remember what crime felt like. And these academic discussions, these ideological discussions about crime, completely ignore the terror in the streets. They completely ignore how crime shaped whether you went to church at night or how you felt coming home from work.

Once you add that to the picture, I think crime policy becomes less suspicious. That doesn’t mean it becomes less problematic. These were dumb policies. But they begin to have a logic that is not strictly tied to racial or economic imperatives. It begins to have a logic that’s tied to people wanting to live normal, safe lives in urban communities, and politicians who responded to those pleas for greater public safety in ways that also lined up with their own political interests.

[morningfog]

63. Where's the quote? Where is a black person using dog training language?

[kennetha]

65. Again, go back and educate yourself.

or take your blinders off

or something....

this is a pointless conversation.

[morningfog]

67. Again, educate yourself. You don't have to be a racist to

identify the problems and offer solutions. Even in the early 90s.

You seem to be saying racism was okay in the 90s because blacks were very violent. I disagree.

[kennetha]

68. My god

what a silly statement.

[ellennelle]

94. you have me fooled

[bettyellen]

53. she was talking about the kids that were employed by drug dealers and given guns.

After heroin use dropped and crack hit, the age of kids with guns went down drastically- to grade school age.
It was quite a stunning change to see.

[ultragreen]

117. More excuses for dogwhistles and racism, huh?

Hillary called them "superpredators" who should be brought to "heel," like she was referring to wild dogs or something subhuman. These expressions are heavily saturated with racism. They are disgusting. Finding excuses for such racism is disgusting.

[ellennelle]

89. ashley was protesting, first and foremost

the words that hillary used as she lobbied for the larger purpose of the bills.

she called young black men superpredators who must be brought to heel.

that's obvious on the video.

the bill was merely the vehicle for the larger purpose, to promote the RW lawn order agenda that had been around since reagan.

this was the DLC way, folks; reagan lite. billiary as founding members, and continuing perpetrators.

[truebluegreen]

138. agree completely

'cept the law n order thing was iirc first pushed by Nixon against those damn hippies and uppity blacks.

Republicans haven't changed much. oh, Wait! we were talking about Hillary....hmmm

[taught_me_patience]

18. Classless. n/t

[morningfog]

24. Hillary? I agree.

She didn't even apologize.

[kennetha]

21. I see a Sister Souljah moment coming

[BillZBubb]

111. That's what Hillary thought last night would be.

Not so much.

[emulatorloo]

31. Thanks for posting n/t

[Agony]

34. another leadership failure DISQUALIFIER on Senator Clintons part.

[Nyan]

39. Ms. Williams is strikingly intelligent.

She should have a bright future in her career path as an activist. I would love to see her exchange words with Dr. West on this matter.

[cherokeeprogressive]

64. Not Good Enough, HILLARY!

[Loki]

70. Sad, really.

Direct your anger toward the people who have continued to perpetuate this. Not something that was said and done over 20 years ago. Grandstanding doesn't accomplish what you want. Talk to people in the movement and they want justice, not apologies.

[ellennelle]

93. how do you get justice without apology?

may i suggest you read ta nahisi-coates' brilliant exposition on the need for reparations in the atlantic some months ago.

it's intense reading, but worth every word; the man's a genius. he has much to say on this; apologies are not enough, but they have to happen. they represent your word that you get it and won't let it happen again.

meanwhile, tho, just for your own personal and social interactions and such, you might want to reconsider your position. how do you propose to move toward justice if the perpetrators of the problem cannot even admit their role or own their culpability? given they're the source of the injustice, how does that change if they're not even part of the conversation? you can't begin to pretend to move toward justice without perpetrators accepting responsibility and offering apology!

i would say the clintons are part of the continued perpetuation of the injustices precisely because they've never owned up to their role in the problems.

finally, you might call it grandstanding, but hey howdy, lookie here, the BLM movement has been brought front and center precisely because of that original confrontation at the bernie NN speech.

which, i have to add here, he handled with infinitely more grace, respect, and compassion than hillary showed ashley.

[Loki]

134. Well then they need to ask every f**king politician,

citizen, judge, jury, police department, every stinking person in this country. I'm not against BLM, not at all, but these tactics are not producing the changes that need, no absolutely need to happen to stop this violence against our citizens by out of control police departments. That is justice when we get convictions of officers who feel they are entitled to kill and murder us every day without consequences. Prosecuting attorneys who have no incentive to produce the evidence they have or to allow police to plant evidence in order to get a conviction. We need a complete justice system overall. I'm tired of asking for apologies, I want people to start becoming activists in their own communities. Change policing policies, change the attitudes of prosecutorial misconduct. Hell, an innocent person can be put in prison for years, but the prosecuting attorney get's off scott free even if there is proof of misconduct. Isn't that what is needed? It's way past time for apologies, it's time for action. We have all taken part in this abomination and destruction of our justice system. No one get's a free ride on this one. I wish Ashley had gone to the police department in her community and asked for an apology. Apology without promoting, and actively seeking change is hollow and without meaning. But I know that your Bernie is a saint, and no one can reach the heights that he has. But believe me, there are many of us out here who have worked hard to change attitudes, and worked in our own states and communities. I don't want an apology, I want change.

[BillZBubb]

110. What is sad is the Hillarybots refusal to face the facts of Hillary's past actions.

Hillary DID perpetuate this. There are plenty of people of color who have been thrown in jail based on the racist "anti-crime" law Hillary pushed--and make no mistake about it she used racially loaded terms to sell it.

There is no justice without a sincere apology. That will never come from Clinton.

[jalan48]

71. An apology from Clinton? It may change by tomorrow.

[WillyT]

75. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

[retrowire]

76. i cant see images what does the statement say? nt

[noamnety]

88. (forgive any typos) It says:

Last night I confronted Hillary Clinton with her own words. She used those words to frighten the nation with dog-whistle racism by referring to as-risk youth as "superpredators."

While Clinton's choice of words in that speech were racist and offensive, it is the inpact of the policies that she vigorously championed that should give us all pause. She owes the nation an apology for using her position of power to enact criminal justice policies which have been roundly denounced as failures.

Here's the truth: the Clinton legacy has left our prisons bursting at the seams. Real lives have been destroyed as a result. It is an indisputable fact that millions of Black people were locked up for drug crimes and provided the bodies for the expansion of the prison industry.

The 1994 Crime Bill that she so vigorously defended not only expanded incarceration, but stripped funding for college education from prisoners. The Clinton legacy allowed for policies that prevented anyone conviccted of a felony drug offense from receiving food stamps or income assistance. Clinton-led welfare reform fundamentally ripped apart our social safety net.

Hillary Clinton did not misspeak. She acted vigorously to support policies that this country now struggles to undo. She must own her role in the political disaster that befell Black communities as a result.

Make no mistake. Hillary Clinton's efforts to push these policies resulted in the continued destruction of Black communities and the swift growth of our mass incarceration crisis.

I held Hillary Clinton responsible for this damage. And that is what she owed Black communities an apology for.

[retrowire]

100. thanks so much for the dictation! i do appreciate it. nt

[ms liberty]

77. Very well said, and she's from Charlotte!

Yay, NC activists!

[kgnu_fan]

86. K&R

[JimDandy]

90. Nicely done. knr

[ChiciB1]

91. I Find It Quite Amazing That With All The Information Out There

about so many issues, not just this one but so, so many more. I was around and remember very well what was done in the past and what so many issues have done to this country today. While Bernie may have voted on some bills that generated one way and then got amended is different to me. And even if there are a 4 or 5 that I may disagree with him even today, I still have the ability to weigh one against the other.

I was once a very big supporter of Bill Clinton and gave Hillary the benefit of the doubt on issues too. Over time I've seen where I was wrong and have seen the damage that a great deal of his legislation has done to this country. I didn't realize at the time what compromises had been made behind the scenes that lead to the birth of the DLC. THIS is when I began to look much more closely at what had happened and it disturbed me. I foolishly thought the Democratic Party would eventually realize that this slow movement to the Right was something that would hurt this country. But no, it keep moving more to right... they say DLC is gone and now it's The Third Way, call it what you want, but for me THIS PARTY isn't the Party I joined so many years ago.

To see so many here desperately cling to the damage that it's done is even more disturbing because it SHOULD be very CLEAR how the Party sold out and lost it's ability to fight for "We The People!" I NOW clearly see what has been done and I can look back with sadness and regret that I didn't SCREAM louder for what we lost.

The time has now come and WE DO HAVE A CHANCE for the CHANGE we keep hearing from too many candidates every election cycle. Nobody's perfect and some votes may upset people here, but OVER ALL we have ONE CANDIDATE who has essentially stood for what he stood for since he became a politician. But the other one... WHO COMMANDS all the power and actually HAS IT only means that I'm willing to BUY the same crap one more time.

So perhaps many here never knew anything different and they blindly follow Hillary, but there are many here who ALREADY KNOW and are still willing follow her never really wanting anything to change.

That's NOT what The Democratic Party I joined stood for and not the one I am willing to stand with should she become our nominee. The DNC seems unable to see a certain REALITY and is willing to pay the price. My biggest problems is that I'll have to live with THEIR MISTAKE!

At least this time I'm supporting someone who I truly feel CARES about this country and "we the people!" And it pains me more than I can say that I may BE FORCED to vote for someone else simply because the other side is a step closer to collapse. Still a vote for Hillary isn't one of support for her, it's against the other side.

NO MORE STATUS QUO... that's it! It breaks my heart that many ONCE GREAT Democrats have also sold out and I'm SURE THEY KNOW exactly what I'm talking about, yet they're willing to kneel down in surrender. AND FOR WHAT? Fill in the answer yourself!

[TIME TO PANIC]

92. K & R!

[yuiyoshida]

95. K&R

Tweeted.

[yourpaljoey]

103. NOT ENOUGH HILLARY!

There you go... wasn't that fun.

[kenfrequed]

104. Yup

The media tells us somehow she is more acceptable. I honestly cannot imagine why anyone would believe it.

[Duval]

106. Well said and I totally agree. nt

[EndElectoral]

112. Yes, apologies, are appreciated, but they do not negate responsibilities of your actions.

It is easy to say "I misspoke" or "It was a mistake to vote for the IWR". Good start as even alcoholism begins with admission, but there are 11 more steps.

She has a lot of amends and actions to do before she will gain Ashley Williams' trust again.

[Waiting For Everyman]

120. Wow! She 100% gets it, and she nailed it!

Perfectly said, Miss Williams!

Concise, clear, and gathered up the whole point without missing any of it.

Thank goodness!

[Betty Karlson]

121. Ms Williams just hit the ball out of the park!

I am proud to stand with her.

[eridani]

123. Clinton could have made a brilliant political coup here

No clue why she didn't just take the opportunity to say sorry for using the word, and sorry for the huge increase in incarceration in the 90s. I think Bill already has said something of the sort, wo shy not just take the opportunity to reinforce that apology?

[Enthusiast]

124. Kicked and recommended! I cast the 200th recommendation. Coincidence? I think not.

[Orrex]

126. I thought this was going to be about the guy from Evil Dead

[bigwillq]

131. K and R

[SoapBox]

132. Bravo Ashley!

It really cannot be said any clearer...and this is what so many have been trying to point out about Clinton and her history and where she stands.

This needs to be spread far and wide.

[Chicago1980]

136. Damned if she does and damned if she doesn't.

[truebluegreen]

139. An apology is not enough,

especially a lame-ass sorry-for-the-WORDS-I-used. A change in behavior/policy is what is needed; anything less is just window-dressing.

[berniesandero]

140. Wow!

[BeanMusical]

145. Kick and R

[Beacool]

146. Is that the same crime bill that Sanders voted for?

Last edited Fri Feb 26, 2016, 06:24 PM - Edit history (1)

BTW, Hillary was first lady and not in any position to pass this bill. Also, was she specifically talking about AA? I have never watched the whole speech, did she specify this applied only to AA?

[Truprogressive85]

147. Are you saying that no FLOTUS has no type of power

Ask Michelle Obama on her fight for childhood Obesity and how school lunches has changed to healthier choices

[Basement Beat]

155. God, I'm going to miss Michelle Obama something crazy. (n/t)

[Basement Beat]

156. Very strong opinions Ms. Williams has...

I dig her. She certainly has my respect in getting in the face (of a powerful figure) of what she feels was wrong and making a statement.

[zentrum]

162. How is Hillary

….calling a whole group of young, unemployed young people who do not attend good schools or a path out of poverty, "super predators" all that different from Trump calling immigrants from Mexico "rapists" or demonizing a whole religion?

Why does she get a pass as not-racist, and Trump is a shameful buffoon for saying such racist things?

[rhett o rick]

165. Authoritarian followers are blind to what their authoritarian leaders do. nm

[Babel_17]

163. I take it she doesn't consider her issues as having being addressed

As it seems she's gained a lot of support I think we'll see her name in connection with further developments.

I think it will be necessary for Secretary Clinton to have a singular dialogue with either this woman, or someone else who represents her concerns, for this matter to get put to any kind of a rest.

[rhett o rick]

164. Is this available in pdf or word? I would like a copy. nm