Until today, I could've voted for Hillary if she won the nomination.

[Buddyblazon]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by BooScout (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

But in the past week, I've been lambasted by two different Clinton supporters. Been called an idiot. A nut. Told I had no clue.

And today...on this very forum, was essentially called a conspiracy nut and when I tried to discuss it in civil manner and asked why it was okay to insult me...I was blocked after literally being mocked.

Guess what....I can't vote for someone that tells me I'm dumb. I can't vote for someone who insults me and mocks me.

So....Hillary supporters...today you lost my vote. Completely. I dont give two shits that it means Hillary lost a voter today. Reel your dismissive supporters in because there is a large bloc of your people that are just assholes. There. I said it.

Does that mean I'll get banned once the nomination is decided and I won't vote for her if she's lucky enough to turn this ship around (yeah...2008...de ja vu all over again?)? Okay. After 12 years here...it's been a good run. Over my dead body are you getting my vote.

[leftofcool]

1. Okie dokie. Vote for Bernie then, but at least vote.

[Buddyblazon]

2. I will indeed. :)

[roguevalley]

22. make your mark with your vote. Then come sit with me.

[Buddyblazon]

27. My pleasure...

Roguevalley.

[Duckfan]

106. This one's on me

You deserve it.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

146. Can I have one?... please.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[PonyUp]

149. You got ID? n/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

151. Here...

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[PonyUp]

157. The beer is on the house! n/t

[oldandhappy]

3. lots of sympathy

I have been stunned at the people who just assume we, the whole world, will vote for Hillary. The negativity and lies in January did me in. I will vote for Bernie in the primary and then change my registration to Green. I am sick of the DNC and our local county manipulators and dictators. Democracy is not happening in the democratic party!

[Stallion]

8. Oh You Are About the See a Whole Bunch of Democracy in the Next 2 weeks

Clinton is going to wrap this up in 2 weeks. If you guys want to waste your votes because you got your feeling hurt than that is your issue. Politics involves the rigorous and emotional exchange of ideas.

[Buddyblazon]

21. Yes...and I politely tried to exchange them.

And politely asked that I not be insulted.

I was banned.

Not getting my vote.

[StevieM]

85. I'm sorry if people disrespected you, but there is a lot of that happening on both sides.

It doesn't seem fair to regard that as coming from Hillary Clinton herself.

If she wins the nomination why not hear what she has to say and make a sincere evaluation as to who you want to vote for then.

The election is 8 1/2 months away. A lot will happen between now and then. We don't know what factors will enter our thinking as the election progresses.

For what it's worth, I have felt disrespected by some Sanders supporters on a few occasions. But if Bernie is the nominee I will not hesitate to vote for him.

[tazkcmo]

124. I agree

Well put StevieM. Don't judge the candidate by a minority of their supporters.

[MrMickeysMom]

139. You may have felt disrespected by some Sanders supporters, but we don't ban opinions...

The first time I tried to weigh in on the Hillary Group, I was banned.

These people who shall remain nameless invite disgust in their democratic discussion. OTOH, I've seen way more tolerance to opinion on the Bernie Sanders Group.

In the real world outside of DU, I have felt the lack of historical perspective coming from HRC's supporters. If she wins the nomination, it will be because of the bully tactics of the DNC. The DNC will fall apart at that point.

[A Simple Game]

166. I got banned from the Hillary group for telling them they had people in their group

that were rabidly anti-Hillary back in '08. The host that banned me said he agreed with me but wanted me to delete my post, I said there was nothing wrong with my post and was banned. I wear that ban like a badge.

[trueblue2007]

102. not voting for the candidate because of personal conficts with DU members ? I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU

[demwing]

35. Being dismissive doesn't make you seem more practical, just less of an ally

Your lack of empathy encourages our lack of empathy.

I have nothing else polite to say to you.

[Buddyblazon]

44. Amazingly enough...

I'm still not going to treat you in the manner I've been treated.

Have a good night.

[demwing]

48. did you mean to respond to me?

or did I just step in stallion shit?

[Buddyblazon]

59. I'm sorry that you have nothing polite to say to me...

I hope you have a lovely evening.

[Beartracks]

76. I think you were trying to respond to Stallion?

You got DemWing confused.



========================

[Buddyblazon]

79. No. I was replying to demwing...

but because I mistook their comments at directed towards me.

My deepest apologies demwing.

[demwing]

137. No worries!

Apology accepted but not required

[Beartracks]

95. Stallion shit!

I don't know if you get notified for a reply to a reply to a reply, but see Post #79.



==============================

[Stallion]

45. I've Been Studying the Polls

and just like most political experts can read the tea leaves. In 2 weeks Clinton will have an insurmountable lead. Go draw your own conclusions on 538.com

[JudyM]

52. Don't you understand it doesn't matter if she beats Bernie? She has far less chance than him of

winning the General. That's what matters to all of us.

[Stallion]

57. Clinton Beats Republican Front-Runner Trump in 16 of Last 18 Polls

its going to be a walkover-True Republicans are running around acting like Chickens with their head cut off. 4 Major editorials from classic republican publications in last 24 hours that I've read where they are losing their shit predicting Clinton will win. 2 of them said they would support Clinton. Its delicious

[Buddyblazon]

53. Awesome.

Then in two weeks you can officially say I won't vote for Hillary.

Have a good evening.

[Old Codger]

89. Tea leaves???

my my my aren't they just great pollsters

[arcane1]

55. If it's wrapped up in 2 weeks, I don't get any democracy n/t

[Fawke Em]

77. And you'll see a bunch of it this fall

when goes down in flames against whatever nut the Republicans put up.

She's alienated progressives, Millennials and Independents. Can't win a general without them.

[Dustlawyer]

88. And don't forget, an awful lot of money!

[artislife]

111. No vote is wasted.

Voting Green tells America that the platform they run on is important. You all say nothing will get past a republican congress anyway so ...why not vote For something rather than against or half heartedly?

[Fawke Em]

127. Excellent point!

If the conventional wisdom is a stalemated Congress, then why not vote for the person who best represents you?

[jillan]

4. You are not alone. There was a time when I too said - I support Bernie but I have no problem voting

for Hillary.

It has been non-stop belittling of Bernie supporters from Her, Her surrogates & her supporters here and on the internet.

If Bernie is not the nominee this may be the first time in 35 years I do not vote for the Dem nominee.

[CoffeeCat]

41. I've been a Democrat all of my life.

I will never vote for Hillary Clinton.

And my decision isn't based on "my feelings being hurt" as a Hillary fan mocked up thread. It not about my candidate losing.

Its about her behavior and her policies. Hillary has been a warmonger for decades. She picked Robert Kagan, the FOUNDER of the PNAC movement to be her foreign-policy adviser while she was Secretary of State.

Hillary is entrenched with the worst powerful corporate sociopaths who are buying and destroying our democracy--Wall Street, the private prison industry, the fracking industry and the defense industry, just to name a few.

I am terrified of Hillary Clinton because we we used to fight Republicans on corporatism, prolonged Middle East war for profit, Wall Street corruption and income inequality. If there is a Democrat in the White House who ENGAGES in these behaviors and who is not fighting against these horrors--then what happens to our country?

[artislife]

115. Their argument against not voting for her in the general

is that we don't want republicans in the WH. Well, that is true, but that doesn't mean we want Hillary necessarily in the WH either. There are other choices out there. The great thing is that we are free to still cast our own ballot.

[peacebird]

156. I have been a Democrat my whole life also, and will never vote for Hillary either.

[agracie]

87. Ditto ⬆️

[pkdu]

110. Really - when was that time?...cant seem to find it here on DU?

[bigtree]

5. so your input is basically worthless here

...since you're taking zero responsibility for the fight against the republican nominee.

[Buddyblazon]

10. And this is what I'm talking about...

It's okay for you to pound sand. Because your approach definitely doesn't make it more likely that she gets my vote.

[Arazi]

12. You know there's a vocal "brave" HRC supporter who says the same

mean BernieBros drove her away

Just sayin'

[Buddyblazon]

17. I'm sorry that happened...

Because the feeling I get when I listen to
Bernie is inclusiveness. Not exclusiveness.

[CoffeeCat]

58. I'm so sick of the term "Berniebros"

It's so insulting and belittling. It's a lie-based slur that attempts to smear millions of people--at least half of whom are women.

You represent yourself AND your candidate poorly when you call people names.

[Arazi]

61. + 100000000000 eom

[Buddyblazon]

62. +1

[GoneFishin]

66. That one doesn't phase me at all. It borderlines on childish gibberish. I would be as hurt if

they were to call me a poopie head, or say I had cooties.

[CoffeeCat]

50. Excuse me, but this is Democratic Underground

We're Democrats. Lifelong Domocrats who are fighting for the that party means a great day to us.

Hillary Clinton dues not represent the entire Democratic party.

There are many, many Democrats who are adamantly opposed to her--about half of our party.

[merrily]

91. Wow.

[VulgarPoet]

6. You're in good company. I'm immediately a right wing plant because I'm in the military.

[Arazi]

7. I'm a Bernie supporter but I don't get this rationale

Mean BernieBros turned me to HRC!!

Mean HRC supporters made me turn to Bernie!!

I welcome you into the Bernie tent. and I'm sorry folks were mean anywhere and drove you here

But I really don't understand how anonymous internet dudes have any power over your thought process. Anonymous internet dudes are shitty and faceless. Venture forth at your own peril and grow thick skin.

Be well!

[JonLeibowitz]

13. +1.

But I do think one's supporters reflect on the candidate -- and Hillary's supporters do her no favors.

[mythology]

161. By that same measure, you would have to say neither do a lot of Sanders supporters

There has been a lot of mud thrown here, I think in large part due to the semi-anonymous nature. But stop pretending that it only goes one way.

[tk2kewl]

30. Vote for the candidate that best represents your own values

Not the one with the cool friends

[Chicago1980]

72. In the primary.

During the general you use your damn brain.

[tk2kewl]

74. I hope your not cursing at me

[Chicago1980]

75. I'm making a general overall statement.

For the primaries you fall in love....

Fo the general you fall in line...

Not my line, the words of Randi Rhodes.

[tk2kewl]

78. Ok... I will vote how I choose

And take your damned advice into consideration

[Fawke Em]

80. Some times that means crashing it all to the ground.

[Chicago1980]

121. That's just dumbass.

No it doesn't mean that.

If you think that's what it means, then you're selfish and ignorant.

There's too much at stake. To hand filling the SCOTUS over the the right where there's so much at jeopardy just because you don't get what you want?

You're no progressive or liberal.

[Fawke Em]

126. Way to win votes for your candidate.

And, yes, sometimes the best way to ready a field for new grass is to burn the old field out. Phoenix and all that.

[TBF]

144. "You're no progressive or liberal" -

and neither are you if you are supporting Hillary & her banks. Smh.

Stop insulting people.

[840high]

86. I certainly will use my

brain. If necessary I will write in Bernie. The party left me with a nasty taste.

[RufusTFirefly]

123. I'm with you on this, Arazi!

One would hope that the supporters of the candidate you favor are good people. But ultimately the decision should come down to the candidate's record and platform. I wouldn't let the behavior of anonymous "supporters" on a message board sway me either way.

Nor would I let campaign ads sway me either. After all, we're not talking about breakfast cereal here; we're talking about the course of the entire country.

[sabrina 1]

9. Her supporters are well known all over Social Media, most people just block them. BUT you won't have

to worry, Bernie will be the nominee so no problem! Hang out with Bernie supporters, they are the coolest people, happy, enthusiastic and just great fun!

[Buddyblazon]

15. Like I said...

This looks just like 2008 all over again. So it looks like I most likely will get to cast a vote for the
Dem nominee.

I'm 43. Have never voted for a single republican.

[sabrina 1]

19. It's up to us. We have done the impossible so far, and we're just going to keep going.

I intend to support the Dem nominee who will be Bernie and will so with enthusiasm rather than the old 'nose holding' routine

[litlbilly]

64. After seeing Bernie on Tweety tonight, I am conviced he/we will get it done.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

150. Thought the same thing!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[Major Hogwash]

65. That's because we're not bitter.

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Hillary already lost once, and a lot of her supporters still have a bitter taste in their mouth left over from 2008.

[Fumesucker]

131. A surprising number of the most divisive Clinton supporters in 2016 loathed her in 2008

It's become a regular thing on the DU for Clinton supporters to have posts from 2008 dug up where the trashed her at least as badly as the Berniebros are doing.

[Major Hogwash]

135. It's very weird seeing so many of them fip-flop within 8 years.

As if somehow they suddenly realized that they were wrong back in 2008 for supporting Obama to become the President.
The irony being spewed around here like a fire hose is when they say that Bernie's supporters, who also supported Senator Obama in 2008, are racists and douchebags simply because some Representative said something nice about Hillary.

It's the height of hypocrisy for any liberal Democrat to support a corporate-owned candidate.
People who support her must have not been posting here at the beginning of DU, or else they have forgotten what 2001 was like!!!

[SammyWinstonJack]

67. Someone in this thread claims Hillary will have this wrapped up in two

weeks. Someone needs to tell Bernie it's over for him in just two short weeks.

[Jitter65]

11. So you hold Hillary responsible for something somebody did to you her on DU?

That's just about par for the course that Hillary has to face.

[jillan]

20. It's not just here at DU, it's her, her surrogates and yes her Hillarybots.

Non-stop pushing Bernie supporters away.

Note to jury - Hillarybots is a lot nicer than what I wanted to say.

[leftofcool]

32. Oh shoot! We've been called worse.

[Chicago1980]

73. The Bernie bozos aren't all that kind.

And it's not all supporters.

There's always a fringe on both sides.

[Buddyblazon]

82. So why use the term bozos...

If you don't approve of it don't perpetuate it.

[Chicago1980]

84. Because of the term Hillarybots used.

[Buddyblazon]

94. I don't use that term...

And I certainly won't use it simply because you used the term "bozos".

[72DejaVu]

14. Narcissism disguised as principle

[NanceGreggs]

92. Nailed it. n/t

[Buddyblazon]

96. You're entitled to your opinion.

Have a great night.

[NanceGreggs]

103. And you as well.

[sheldon]

108. BOOM!

[artislife]

116. Why isn't your vote narcissism?

Because you believe in it?

That's nuts.

[72DejaVu]

141. Because, if the good of the country

requires me to give ground on some of my positions, I am willing to do so.

The "Bernie or Bust" crowd is not to willing, accepting the disaster of a GOP presidency as preferable to having to compromise.

[sufrommich]

138. So much this. nt

[PeaceNikki]

142. In a nutshell

[giftedgirl77]

155. White privilege at it's finest.

[Buddyblazon]

16. Ah yes...

More insults. Feels good, mang.

[renate]

18. I understand, but I would never throw away a vote that could have been against Trump

I'm not criticizing--democracy means you get to vote for whom you want to vote for--but if my vote isn't going to be whole-heartedly for somebody, at least it can be whole-heartedly against Trump.

[Buddyblazon]

24. At this point...

I would not vote for Trump. The guy is a bully.

But I certainly won't take being bullied by any other candidates supporters either.

[trueblue2007]

104. you have repeated this about 11 times. enough already

[TheCowsCameHome]

23. I understand your feelings.

You aren't the only one.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

25. Nap time. Put it down and walk away.

Take a nap.

[Buddyblazon]

28. Being dismissive...

Is no better.

[senz]

26. They do have that effect.

[Matariki]

29. I can forgive a candidate her supporters

but what I can't forgive is deploying dirty tricks that would make Karl Rove proud. Or hiring slimeball David Brock.

[BillZBubb]

109. This!!!

Her supporters whine about sexism, and Hillary hires a disgusting sexist slime merchant to do her dirty work.

I've yet to have ONE Hillary supporter explain to me how they can accept that.

[Progressive dog]

31. No problem, if you think your hurt feelings

are more important than whether a Democrat or Republican wins the Presidency, that's your right.

[Buddyblazon]

33. I won't vote for someone...

that uses bullying tactics either from the candidate themselves or from their surrogates. It goes against every principle I preach and live by.

[Progressive dog]

54. So you'll never vote because your

feelings are too easily hurt.
BTW I think you mean supporter, not surrogate. If you do actually mean surrogate, I'd love to know how you worked that out.

[Buddyblazon]

56. I don't vote for people that have supporters

that think they can bully me into my vote.

Have a great night.

[Progressive dog]

60. You too,

[Buddyblazon]

63. Please direct me to the post...

where I bullied someone.

[treestar]

148. This! If a person can afford a Republican Presidency

and would prefer to gloat over that - how can we be so concerned about their alleged principles? That is the ultimate selfishness.

[madaboutharry]

34. You are determining your vote based on people at DU?

People here do not represent Hillary Clinton or her campaign. Please don't not vote for her because of what happens on DU

[MaggieD]

36. Okay, thanks for the announcement!

[Buddyblazon]

38. Dismissive.

Not surprised.

[MaggieD]

43. Yeah, these posts are getting kind of old

Sorry. They are a lot like GBCW posts, IMO.

[Buddyblazon]

47. Why don't you take a look at how little...

I post on DU now. I've been a quiet lurker for about a decade.

Maybe that gives you insight as to how I was treated if I suddenly felt the need to drop 20+ posts.

[Onlooker]

37. I bet you'll vote for her ...

... there are idiots on both sides. I'm a Sanders supporter, but can't stand the endless attacks on Hillary as if she's some right wing lunatic. But, if you have any doubt about her, just spend a few minutes reading about the Republicans.

[Buddyblazon]

39. Then I'll only vote down ticket.

[Codeine]

40. One should not take the internet so seriously.

One should also not pretend Bernie supporters aren't just as obnoxious.

Allowing wounded feelings to influence your vote seems strange to me. I've seen much vileness posted by Bernie supporters, many insults and just flat-out nastiness -- I'll still happily vote Sanders in the exceedingly unlikely event that he becomes the Democatic torchbearer.

Why would I let some person I've never met influence me with petty insults on my computer or phone screen?

[Lil Missy]

42. I'll alert the media. n/t

[Buddyblazon]

49. More dismissiveness.

[treestar]

153. why are you so important?

I would never think of making an OP like this. I don't figure I myself am so interesting.

[NurseJackie]

46. Technically, you'd be voting for Hillary and not ...

... an anonymous jerk who insulted you. You seem to be very intelligent, so I'm surprised that you'd not vote to get "revenge"on someone you don't know. But ... whatever.

[Buddyblazon]

51. It's not revenge.

It's that I refuse to support a candidate that pushes their constituents to be bullies.

[NurseJackie]

136. Okay. You've clearly made up your mind then ...

... and it's obviously a waste of time for anyone to try and persuade you otherwise. DISCUSSION OVER.

Moving on ... Have a nice day.

[Thespian2]

68. Read the writing on the walls of America...

Nominate the 1%er, elect a Repukkkian...

If she wins the nomination, hope everyone enjoys life under president tRump...

[Adrahil]

69. If I held Bernie's supporters against him, I wouldn't vote for him either.

But there ya go.

Take a deep breath and look at that Supreme Court.

[Beowulf]

70. The behavior of supporters of the candidates will not influence who I vote for.

I will vote for the candidate I think will best address the issues that are important to me. Period.

For me, the number one issue is breaking the stranglehold the oligarchs have on determining what Washington will or will not address. The Princeton study suggests Washington allows no real participation in setting the national agenda unless you are filthy rich or a large corporation. According to the authors of that study, what is offered to us 99% is regularly held elections, the right (for most of us!) to vote, and a modicum of free speech and free assembly, though those two seem to be under increasing pressure to be limited. That suggests to me that all other issues that we care about be it health care, systemic racism, civil rights, education, women's health, immigration, global warming, a clean natural environment, poverty, and so on, cannot and will not be addressed by our leaders, until we have leaders willing to take on the oligarchs.

I do support Bernie because he has pledged to do that and he has a record to suggest he's sincere when he says that.

Hillary hasn't proved herself to me on this issue at this point. She will need to do that if she expects my vote.

No one in the GOP will take on the oligarchs, so I would never vote for a Republican. Actually, I've never voted for a Republican!

If there isn't a place in mainstream politics for my issues, then what's left is the streets. Howard Zinn argued that meaningful progressive change in this country has only occurred after people in sufficient numbers have taken to the streets and scared the shit out of the oligarchs. I wish we could coalesce around this issue rather than snipe at each other.

[Chicago1980]

71. Hillary didn't call you dumb or mock you, someone on the forum did.

Big difference.

Maybe there was a reason they said what they said.

You sound overly sensitive.

You mean to tell me that if you don't get exactly who and what you want in terms of the nomination that you'll stay home and not vote or even worse, vote for a republican?

Psh...

GROW UP!!!

[iandhr]

81. I have seen all kinds of stupid things said here but this takes the cake.

You rather have a Republican president because "I've been lambasted by two different Clinton supporters. Been called an idiot. A nut. Told I had no clue." You have very thin skin.

[Buddyblazon]

83. Ok

[840high]

97. ....

[merrily]

90. Respectfully, you should not vote based on a candidate's supporters.

Hillary, like Bernie, has millions of supporters. You can't judge a candidate based on what a tiny fraction of them do or do not do.

ETA: Sorry. I just remembered Hillary's Husband and Campaign Surrogate in Chief lambasted Bernie's supporters--and with no mention of the nastiness coming from the Clinton camp.

[JohnnyRingo]

93. So you're holding your vote hostage

If everyone doesn't follow your demands, you'll kill the vote.

I really am not offended that you're for Sanders, a lot of good people including my friends are for Bernie, but saying you're not 100% behind the Democratic nominee, whoever it is, loses my respect entirely. You have no credibility left and sniff of the kind of foul stunt a Karl Rove operative would play.

I love Bernie, and would be proud to support him in November, but until then I lean Clinton. This isn't war where one candidate is the enemy, it's a primary for our party, a party you apparently think little of.

[Buddyblazon]

98. Then don't condone bullies.

Hope you have a good night.

[sheldon]

112. Being 100% behind

ANY candidate or party only shows blind ignorance. Politics is not a sporting event, you don't just cheer your favorite team.

[JohnnyRingo]

133. Sitting home is not a solution

Backing the best possible candidate is. That will definitely be the Democrat, regardless of who emerges. That's a fact, not blind ignorance.

Threatening to stay home on election day only has two explanations. One is if a person is working for the Republicans to counter their weak candidate by talking Dems into withholding their votes. The other is if that tactic is working.

I'm always suspicious of new members with low posts and no star membership who talk vote suppression. They'd never donate because they know they won't be here long after their job is done.

Most Bernie people are just passionate but are at least good Democrats.

[PatrynXX]

99. Think the Hillary Board is secretly a pro Bernie group

Because they have turned me from anti Hillary to fanatical anti hillary. the Hillary Board does to DU members what Billo Does to his guests. puts them on mute. lalalalala nah doesn't exist alalalalalalala

[LovingA2andMI]

100. Welcome...

We Will Do So With Open Arms Here!

[trueblue2007]

101. OP is just too vengeful in my opinion

[HoosierRadical]

105. I know how you feel OP, my own people banned me because

because as an African American, I refused to be apart of the Clinton machine.

[LovingA2andMI]

107. You Too...

Let's HUG as I Remain A Proud African-American voting for Bernie Sanders, period.

[HoosierRadical]

118. Yep, me too

I even made a thread about it; http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280125992

LovingA2andMI & HoosierRadical feeling the Bern together

On the advice of others, I'm hoping to start a AA group for Bernie, haven't heard back for Skinner yet.

[LovingA2andMI]

132. Well, if you get it started...

Let me know. I would love to join . #FeelTheBern #GotBerniesBack!

[maddiemom]

113. WTF?

Go ahead and punish the Hillary fans (or trolls) for being offensive by not voting for Hillary! THEY didn't lose your vote because THEY aren't running for anything--so that'll show them!

[Beacool]

114. Oh please, this board should be called Sanders Underground.

The crap that Hillary and her supporters have to take over here is nonstop.

If I went by what some of his supporters say, I would refuse to vote for Sanders in the GE. But, Sanders would be a lot better than any of the three Republicans who might get the nomination. The same goes for Hillary. What's at stake is much larger and more important than hurt feelings by some anonymous people on a website.

Think about it.......

[radical noodle]

117. What will you do

If Bernie asks you to vote for Hillary just as enthusiastically as Hillary asked her supporters to vote for Obama in 2008?

Hillary had a lot of supporters in 2008 just like you who swore they'd never vote for Obama because someone online was rude to them, or they were mad because Hillary was asked if she preferred diamonds or pearls while the men were asked real questions in the debate, or the political pundits said mean, sexist things about her (and it was much worse last time than this time). When she gave her concession speech and then went on to fully support Obama, her supporters eventually followed and helped to elect him. Some of them had even wanted to protest in the convention, but you may recall that Hillary was so very gracious about nominating him in the convention that it pretty much fell flat. It's the way it works. All the snark disappears and everyone shakes hands, has a hug and forgives. I hope it works that way for you.

Most of us get a little worked up about our favorite candidate. We say things we wouldn't otherwise. We sometimes take things the wrong way. Some even quote untrue things or make wild assumptions to make a point. But if we're really Democrats we will put aside this pot stirring after the convention and get on with the job at hand.

[ashtonelijah]

119. Oh grow up. Bernie supporters have called me a whore, a sellout, a neocon, a self-hating homo...

And a thousand other things this election cycle. I've had awful things said to me by some people in the name of supporting Bernie Sanders.

But you know what? I'm a grown adult. And the Supreme Court, gay rights, immigration reform, campaign finance reform, income inequality, and black lives matter a hell of a lot more to me than whether or not someone from the other camp hurt my feelings in the primaries.

I'll vote for the Democratic nominee even if it's Bernie. Because responsible adulting.

[workinclasszero]

130. "Bernie supporters have called me a whore, a sellout, a neocon, a self-hating homo..".

But thats different because.....revolution?

[treestar]

147. +1

the OP is like a middle schooler or younger.

[Thinkingabout]

120. Would it be possible to point to the post in which you were called an idiot, nut

I'm sorry, I searched and the post you was posting did not contain these names. I you do not want to respond in a post send me a PM.

[anotherproletariat]

122. I can totally relate...I'm voting for Hillary for the same reason...

...I hope it was just a few people, but when someone is looking for honest discourse, it is a real turn off to start throwing personal insults. I got it from all sides from the Bernie peeps, and was defended by the Clinton supporters, so that is where I went. It's kind of sad since I actually like what Bernie has to say, but I can't support someone who has a bunch of thugs for his crew.

[IdaBriggs]

125. Ah, the old "Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas" thought process.

And no, I am not making a slur about female dogs - I am using an old saying to point out the poster is thinking that people who behave badly on discussion boards are representatives of their candidate.

I understand the logic, but frankly cannot support it. There are a lot of assholes in the world, and sometimes all of us take the asshole role on when Primary Passions are running high.

There are many ways to recruit people: fear based, enthusiasm based, enticement based, reverse psychology, peer pressure/cool kids do it, etc. Logic is in theory the default, but probably the least commonly employed. Insulting people is probably one of the least effective, but maybe it works for some people?

If you view "looney lefties" as losers, it is easy to insult them (when you aren't busy cajoling them for their vote), which is probably why center right folks (also known as Clinton supporters) really don't have a good way of discussing issues. The things Progressive Democrats want sound as impossible as rainbow kittens with butterfly wings....

Which means instead of trying to find a way to work for the dreams, they "settle" for what they think they can get, which means starting from a position of weakness before the negotiations even begin.

This nomination is really for the soul of the party. The Republicans are trying to figure out if they are going to be the bat shit crazy religious nuts or something, so they are in the middle of their own revolution.

It is primary season. Take a breath. No one wins the general without stealing from the other team. We are still in the very beginning of this latest game.

Don't let the assholes get you down.

[jsmirman]

128. That could possibly be the weakest reason for playing games with the fate of the world

that I've ever heard.

And I'm going to do you the credit of not believing it.

Imagine the idea that after FIFTY YEARS of a conservative Court, with three moves we could have a progressive Court for at least 20 years! The one place we could actually get massive change to our day to day lives with the current congressional realities.

I'm not eager to make the "you'll fall in line" posts right now because they are way too premature and certainly too soon, but this is ridiculous.

[workinclasszero]

129. Cool story bro

Bernie needs all the votes he can scrape together so its all good.

[smiley]

140. other way around bro....

[Buns_of_Fire]

143. My five rules for survival during Silly Season:

1) Realize that some people are very heavily emotionally invested in their candidate, and any criticism (valid or otherwise), campaign suggestions, or even seemingly innocuous comments will be akin to wearing a T-Shirt with Mohammed's picture on it to an ISIS potluck dinner. (Some are damned near cultish, but I didn't say that.)

2) Stay out of the "safe haven" groups -- all of them. They're cute, but they'll turn on you in a heartbeat. (I haven't been banned from any of them -- but that's only because I've never posted anything in any of them.)

3) "Ignore" is your friend. It took me over 10 years to put anyone on ignore. Now, I've got 12 people on it (the more rabid, frothing-at-the-mouth, condescending, smug, and arrogant ones only), and DU became more enjoyable immediately.

4) Try to keep a sense of humor (a trait conspicuously missing in some people these days not-mentioning-any-names-but-you-know-who-you-are, but I attribute that to item #1). In a few months, it'll all be over and we'll be back to looking forward to doing the same thing again in four years.

5) Support the only TRUE Democrat -- VERMIN SUPREME ! You'll feel better AND you get a free pony when he's elected! And anyone who doesn't is a big poopyhead and I'll have nothing more to do with them.

Hope this helps. In solidarity.

[treestar]

145. you let other people control you like that?

this is middle school stuff.

[EdwardBernays]

152. It's an evolution

Her supporters have gone from assuming we're all idiots to calling us all idiots.

[liberal N proud]

154. I guess, don't vote then, but...

Don't be complaining if Trump is President and the whole country becomes insane.

[Cobalt Violet]

158. Please don't let the ignorant on a message board stop you from holding your nose and voting

There will be a lot of us holding our noses and voting, an ever growing amount us. Eventually we will well out number them since they damn sure aren't going to do jack shit about inequality. Our numbers and our anger are sure to grow.

[mythology]

159. You do realize that a Sanders supporter on this board said

that black voters who support Clinton have Stockholm syndrome and that another has linked South Carolina being ranked last in education to Clinton's expected win right?

By your logic, black voters should refuse to support Sanders if he wins the nomination.

[randr]

160. Please consider that it may be fright wing trolls

who are disrupting the conversation here at DU. The words and bad intent of some of our candidate supporters call into question their loyalty to Democratic principles. If you are persuaded to hold back a vote against the nightmare of Republican rule they would have succeeded.
Question all the posters of this sort of underhanded, illintended, infiltration in the public forum.

[katmondoo]

163. The Sanders supports do the same thing

Say the same thing. It seems to be just a matter of passion. What others say should not sway your vote.

[stillwaiting]

165. No one should be swayed by supporters on an online forum. That seems ridiculous to me.

But, I completely understand if people have a difficult time voting for Hillary in the G.E. after the campaign SHE has chosen to run during this primary.

It seems obvious that a huge part of her campaign has been to make Bernie SUPPORTERS appear toxic, racist, sexist, and as far-left loons. She, her family, and her surrogates in the media have done this throughout the campaign. Many times. Anytime she attacks Bernie on the issues she loses support and Bernie gains support because she sounds like a Republican whenever she does it. So, she decided to make the Bernie Supporters brand toxic. That's going to hurt her in the G.E. if she's the nominee.

I don't know how anyone could not understand that if you openly dismiss and ridicule a group of people then getting that same group of people to vote for you might just be a tad bit difficult. She's made this very personal, and it's a tragic mistake.

[Vinca]

162. You need to look at the big picture . . . for the good of all of us.

The next POTUS might install as many as 4 Supreme Court justices. While I don't see a great deal of difference between Hillary and a moderate Republican, I'd rather take my chances with her for appointments over someone like Ted Cruz. We could see our democracy turned into a theocracy. My advice: vote. Hold your nose if you have to and think of it as a vote against the batshit crazies on the right.

[thesquanderer]

164. All candidates always have some unpleasant or even abusive supporters.

The candidate and campaign have no control over them, and you're not voting for them.

That said, I certainly wouldn't mind if you voted for Bernie. But there are much better reasons than the fact that some Hillary supporters are jerks. I'm quite sure you can find some Bernie supporters who are jerks as well. Vote for whoever you think will make this a better country.

[BooScout]

167. Locking...

It is the consensus of the Hosts that this is Disruptive Meta.