The Real Reason the Hounds want Hillary's Speech Transcripts

[youceyec]

It is to put her in her place as a woman. Strong women are always looked at suspiciously. There is a double-standard. To be fair, a lot of people don't even realize they have this bias against a strong woman.

Same thing happened when the hounds were demanding she apologize for email nonsense. She finally did, out of pure pressure. It was wrong, but she had to do it, as a woman running for president.

[NanceGreggs]

1. It has nothing to do with ...

... HRC being a woman, or double standards, or a bias against strong women.

It has to do with her being about to trounce Bernie in the upcoming primary contests, and the desperation of his supporters to find something - anything! - in those transcripts that can be used to stop that momentum.

[tecelote]

13. We just want to know if it aligns with what she is saying today.

[NurseJackie]

14. Exactly. Thank you.

They're desperate for a last minute "47% moment" ... so much so that they're even faking partial transcripts of a speech she never gave, on a date that she was never in town. It's laughable and amateurish.

Clearly, they know what we know ... Bernie will not be the nominee!

[Hortensis]

23. The other elephant in the room - HILLARY IS A WOMAN.

Negative effects from her sex underlay everything. Name a male politician so thoroughly villified and loathed as Hillary.

Dick Cheney actually comes close, but look at all he did to earn that, his enormous crimes against our nation, against democracy, and against humanity.

No other male politician, no matter how venal and corrupt, or incompetent -- not even W, is a victim of the "Hillary Hate" phenomenon. In fact, with her drawing so much bile, and with it press attention, they and the GOP practically get a free ride.

All women approaching unusually high office have been the objects of intense abuse, but we've never had one strongly threatening to take our highest bastion before.

[notadmblnd]

76. Time to play the victim card again I see.

Poor Hillary.

President Obama has indeed been hated- drawing in so much bile and with it press attention. And much of the hate came from HRC herself.

[Fawke Em]

146. No. I'm female. I want a female president.

But our first shouldn't be so compromised that people will think that all of us are that way.

[roguevalley]

158. anyone who thinks this is about gender

Is reaching. I want to know the facts, gender be damned

[Hortensis]

160. Go educate yourself then. There are many studies, case and group,

Identifying and quantifying the difficulties women running for high political office face.

Seriously, has it never occurred to anyone to wonder WHY you know every single detail of Hillary's 45-year career that can be portrayed as bad but you know at best one or two things about your own senators, and effectively nothing about nearly a hundred others?

You might also wonder why, if her real record is so terrible, so many lies had to be manufactured to augment it?

[GreatGazoo]

25. Stop her downward momentum?

Didn't she lose a 30 pt lead in Iowa and 25 in Nevada?

[MaggieD]

88. Yep, and the fact that the GOP knows....

That Clinton's kick GOP ass. They have cynically co-opted a small number of liberals to help them smear her. Sad that those folks fall for it.

[Fawke Em]

147. They no longer do, Maggie. Give it up.

She will lose Ohio, Florida, North Carolina and either Colorado or Pennsylvania. She will be toast on arrival.

[Fawke Em]

145. OK. I'll play. We NEED to stop her.

Because she'll lose to Trump. I know that. Why don't you?

[highprincipleswork]

155. It has to do with her being on the other side.

[PatrickforO]

2. OR maybe it is to find out if there's any

consistency in message between the Hillary in the Vegas town hall and the Hillary who gave the speeches for big bucks.

[madokie]

7. I'll sit here on this bench with you

I don't want someone who is selling me down the river behind my back, simple as that. Hillary supporters make of that as you will but the truth is I want to know what she's saying to wall street compared to whats she's saying to main street. You notice that Bernie has none of these type of issues and the reason is he is saying the same thing no matter where he's at or who he's talking too, today, yesterday or the year before or the day after. I like that in a person.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

27. How DARE you hold Hillary accountable?! She's the most transparent leader in history! /sarcasm

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[madokie]

31. I know, mybad

I shouldn't have got up so dang early otherwise my better sense would have prevented me from questioning the anointed one. again mybad

Actually my opinion is to question her now or live with the consequences. We've been living with the consequences of not paying attention or not voting for years and look where its got us so far. I say f* that noise, I want some answers and I want them now before the election.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

40. I want answers too... but who are we?!... mere peons... now bow to the Queen and maybe you'll still get your ration of porridge.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[madokie]

42. My poutrage

Yes by all means lets

[demwing]

58. Q. "Who are we to hold Hillary accountable?" A. Hounds

We are dogs, not even people.

[EdwardBernays]

3. No

And pretending that is actually sexist.

She's just as corrupt as her husband. They've brought gender equality to corruption.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

29. It would be more sexist NOT to point out Hillary's hypocrisy and to just give her a pass.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[DebJ]

139. Absolutely. n/t

[Punkingal]

4. I'm a strong woman and I think she should release her transcripts.

Strong women don't have to hide things, and they don't have to scream sexism all the time.

[youceyec]

9. Please

Do not compare yourself to Hillary. You are neither a public figure nor running for president.

For all the screams about THE ISSUES, all the real focus is on her character. Casting doubts on her character. Which again, is easy, because of the unspoken double standard and bias against strong women in politics.

[OZi]

10. And people running for President deserve as much scrutiny as possible.

Trust is a HUGE issue for me. There is a reason my hen house has a door on it.

Hillary supporters want me to believe she is infallible or something. "Criticisms? It's because she's a woman. Nothing to see here. Move along."

Only strong women running for office get scrutinized? Is there something about Mitt Romney I should know about? He eventually released his tax info.

[youceyec]

11. You want MORE

than just taxes. Next you will all want her college transcripts, birth certificate, etc. It will never end. Its the age you live in. This double standard non sense will eventually end, thankfully.

[OZi]

12. Things other male Presidents have been asked to release

but with Hillary it's a double standard?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

32. There you go again... using logic! (lol)

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[Art_from_Ark]

67. I remember Richard Nixon being asked to release some tapes

And he stonewalled until he was forced to. And there was some pretty nasty stuff on those tapes.

[arcane1]

78. More made-up bullshit. Unsurprising.

It's all you people have now.

Until the next memo is released

[demwing]

59. Her character IS an issue

Some people have character, some just are characters.

[Punkingal]

69. Your whole OP is ridiculous.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

100. If her own behavior casts doubt on her character, that behavior

needs to be scrutinized. The Clintons - both of them - have a long history of pushing the ethical envelope. And I have never before heard of a potential presidential candidate using his or her former experience in the public sector and his or her possibility as a future president to command enormous speaking fees from a controversial industry he or she might later be in a position to regulate. That kinda stinks, no matter who does it. Character does matter, and if someone behaves in a way that calls their character into question, they'd better be ready to defend that behavior. If there isn't a problem, why doesn't she release the transcripts? If Bernie had been raking in that kind of coin for speaking to some private industry group, Hillary's people would be howling for him to release his transcripts, and he wouldn't even be able to whine about sexism.

Yes, women have been and still are subject to discrimination and double standards. That doesn't mean we get a pass for dodgy behavior.

[DebJ]

141. Why WON'T she release them? What is she hiding? What is she afraid of?

If she has nothing to hide, this would be a total non-issue. Just say okay, and do it.

But Hillary's strategy is always to make things look as bad as possible, to cause people to mistrust her.

[DebJ]

138. With you all the way on that. Actually, I find it offensive people would call asking for this info

a 'sexist' thing. If there is nothing to hide, why hide it?

[Waiting For Everyman]

5. It's about her total lack of integrity, and that she's BOUGHT for a lot of $$$$$.

We want to know what she privately promised those who own her. It's not hard to figure out. If she's elected, we have a RIGHT to know that.

It has ZIP to do with gender. I couldn't care less if she were a woman, a man, or a flying polar bear.

[pugetres]

8. She lacks integrity.

I won't afford her a handicap in that department because of her gender.

[libtodeath]

15. Getting paid 100s of thousands by the banksters that helped destroy the financial life

of millions of everyday people should attract attention and scrutiny.

[hobbit709]

16. No matter how many times you tell yourself that, it won't magically come true.

[Fairgo]

17. Private speeches by our most public of officials

Gender had nothing to do with freedom of information. It's about the evidence of duplicity and being real.

[left-of-center2012]

18. What rubbish. HRC can't hide behind being a woman while ...

... saying "Vote for me because I'm a woman."

[Duckhunter935]

19. what utter crap

Gender has nothing to do with it and it is sickening that some have to resort to this.

[hootinholler]

20. Hounds?

Misogynistic Hounds!

Bark! Bark! Bark!

Unleash the Hounds!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

37. You "cut that out"™ and leave Hillary Goldman Clinton alone!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[madokie]

39. Who let the dogs out

[PonyUp]

43. No it's arf arf arf! n/t

[nxylas]

21. You're obviously an anti-Semite

Why else would someone not support Bernie Sanders? See, anyone can play that game....

[PonyUp]

44. Anti-Semite ageist man-hater! n/t

[jillan]

153. Seriously - I am so tempted to do this every time they play the vajay card.

Yes jury - I did say that. This woman is tired of being called a sexist, a hound or that I am going to burn in hell because I support Bernie.

[Skwmom]

22. This is one of the reasons why they want Clinton. Any criticism against her actions will be

pushed back as sexism. n/t

[youceyec]

30. no

why is no body demanding to see transcripts of Trumps million dollar speeches? Or Martin Os when he was still running?

[Katashi_itto]

83. Damn see I didnt know Trump wss running for Democratic nominee.

See for us Democrats we sort of like to know if the nominee is selling us out. For Republicans their campaign process is a poorly acted reality show. Truth does not matter to them.

[youceyec]

94. Damn

I missed the law that said only dems are included in this affected search for answers.

[Katashi_itto]

124. Well maybe your planning to vote republican. But i still want to see

Transcripts of the person running to represent my party.

[youceyec]

128. what if u dont getz

are u gonna vote for trump and sell your soul in the process or stay out and therefore give him a vote indirectly? I think not.

[Katashi_itto]

129. Wanna bet? I wont vote for a corrupt corporate shill.

The DNC doesn't represent us. Why should we keep it propped up by voting for its candidates?

[youceyec]

130. Wow

So you've already labeled her guilty? But you haven't seen transcripts. Oh wait, they never mattered did they? You already made up your mind.

Yes yes, let the sexism flow through you.

[Katashi_itto]

131. Lol... Now its sexism just to look at her past track record.

The very fact she won't release her transcripts says it all.

[youceyec]

133. U like my reference? :)

those are star wars characters right?

No, u calling her a shill for the corps out of the blue is what was odd.

[Katashi_itto]

136. I thought it was a cheap deflection.

As for her being a corporate shill. How is that out if the blue? Do you even pay attention to her record? Do you give a shite? I practice Kendo all basic lightsaber moves were lifted from it.

[DebJ]

142. It's pretty easy to figure out and reject Trump. Seeing any speeches would mean nothing to me,

nor to his supporters, would serve no purpose. His tax plan and lack of other plans kind of sealed the deal, you know?

[eridani]

24. Really? Why hasn't anyone demanded Elizabeth Warren's speeches to Wall Streea?

[Katashi_itto]

117. Damn here i was thinking Warren wasnt running for president. de

Otherwise i would be asking for her transcripts too. He though she doesn't have near the track record of corruption Hillary has.

[eridani]

152. If she were running, she would have already put them out n/t

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

26. If it was Bill running, we would be demanding his transcripts

It has nothing to do with her being a woman and everything to do with an overwhelming appearance of corruption. Refusing to release the transcripts only serves to reinforce that appearance.

[youceyec]

28. explain

what warrants this appearance of corruption? Pretend I have no idea who Hillary is.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

33. It's pretty simple

1. Large banks nearly destroyed the economy
2. Hillary personally took shitloads of money from said banks
3. Hillary is running for president and wants us to trust that she will regulate the banks (you know, the ones that gave her shitloads of money) sufficiently so they don't destroy the economy again

But I guess "she's a girl" is a much more convincing argument.

[youceyec]

47. lets see

1. Thats not a reason, Hillary didn't cause that. I think.

2. Obama took a shit load too, where was the demand from - anyone - in 08 or 12, for him to release transcripts?

3. Obama took shit loads of money from wall street in 08 and 12, yet he regularly hammers the fat cats on wallstreet and supported and or singed legislation that took on wall street.

Of course, I could offer other examples of politicians cracking down on the very same folks they got donations from. But why bother. I just showed you there is a double standard.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

60. .

1. I never said Hillary caused that. I thought it was pretty obvious I was listing a progression of events, not a set of causes
2. Obama personally profited to the tune of millions of dollars from Wall Street? No. We're talking about personal income here, not campaign contributions. (The millions in campaign contributions are disgusting too, btw - see point 3)
3. And how many of those bankers are rotting in jail right now after they nearly destroyed the economy? If giant campaign contributions are enough to keep them out of jail, how can we expect that banks handing Hillary millions of dollars in cash are going to be sufficiently regulated?

[Raster]

104. Nicely done.

I am sick of the deflecting. If this were ANYONE other HRC, the Hillarians would be up in arms demanding to see transcripts.

The underlying theme of this entire election is the electorate's unhappiness with "the status quo." Every voter is - or should be - highly queued in to the financial machinations of this country, our government and the major players and denizens. We have the capability - and just escaped by the skin of out teeth - to careen off the financial precipice and have a financial melt-down event that would make 2008 look like a garden party. I want to know what Hillary said to Goldman when they paid her $500,000 per "little chat." And I have every right to know.

[DebJ]

140. Actually Hillary has repeatedly said she would take action against the banks IF there was a need...

IF they did something to warrant that. Well, they already took down the world economy. What is Hillary's standard for breaking up the big banks? I REALLY want an answer to this question. Do they actually have to go out in person and rape, pillage, and burn?

[treestar]

35. No you would not

just like the right wingers never needed to see McCain's birth certificate.

It has to do with putting her in her place, demanding she do something because she has to follow other people's bossing.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

38. Um... Yes I would?

But thanks for telling me what I think.

[treestar]

34. Just like Obama and his birth certificate or his college transcripts

you are right it was to put them in their place

Not a single demand that McCain, Palin or even Biden produce a birth certificate. Not a single demand that they produce college transcripts.

This is the same.

It's bullying and it's about pretending to be boss of the other person - telling them what they have to do when you don't have to do it.

[youceyec]

46. Ding Ding Ding

what do Hills and O have in common? It couldn't be that they are both minorities in presidential politics, could it?

[Bad Thoughts]

36. Transparency has been a hallmark of Democrats since Watergate.eom

[Nonhlanhla]

41. You are right

The sexism that underlies anti-Hillary sentiments (to be distinguished from simply pro-Bernie sentiments, which are fine) goes much deeper than just "shrill" or "uterus" level stuff. It has to do with the fact that running for high office is seen as a transgressive act for a woman. Elizabeth Warren actually got similar treatment when she first ran.

Here is an article that discusses that in detail: http://qz.com/624346/america-loves-women-like-hillary-clinton-as-long-as-theyre-not-asking-for-a-promotion/

It is in the Republicans' best interests to have Hillary release her transcripts. They will go through it with a fine tooth comb until they find something that they can twist and use against her. Given the fact that she is most likely to be the Democratic nominee (despite Bernie supporters' denial, the numbers suggest that very strongly), it is not in our best interest to have her release these records. I therefore consider all calls for her to do so as rooted in GOP interests.

[yourpaljoey]

45. What a parcel of nonsense

[youceyec]

49. this would not

win a court argument.

[demwing]

61. This is not

A court argument. If it were, your baseless accusation would be summarily dismissed.

[LexVegas]

48. Huge double standard. nt

[riversedge]

50. It is another manufactured WitchHunt by he media--and Sanders supporers and Sanders himself. They

all need to be ashamed of themselves for perpetuating this Double Standard.

[workinclasszero]

57. +100

You nailed it

[redstateblues]

62. Spot on

[UglyGreed]

86. Ahh Sanders did not start this

Lee Fang did and Hillary dragged Sanders into it, but of course you knew that already

[Blue State Bandit]

51. Gender-baiting.

[JackInGreen]

52. Oye...

So wanting to see what she's told people bankrolling her so that we can be certain of her honesty and disposition towards these financial institutions is "the hounds wanting to take down a strong woman"? My gods, where does that boat stop?
"Hillary needs to back the TPP, any criticism is trying to take down a strong woman"
"Hillary needs to invade country X, being antiwar = anti hillary = anti woman"
I wonder what it'll be used to dismiss next!? It's a WONDERcure of spin.

[youceyec]

70. whats next

what she texted Bill over thanksgiving last year?

[Vinca]

53. This is one of the stupidest posts I've ever read on DU . . . and I've been here since 2004.

And, I might note, playing the female "victim" card is not flattering at all. As a woman, I find it downright embarrassing.

[nxylas]

63. Nah, it's nowhere near the stupidest

It has a long way to go to beat "they shot rockets at the MOON!"

[Vinca]

64. LOL - I missed that one.

[nxylas]

65. You're lucky

It remains the gold standard for stupid on DU.

[youceyec]

71. Why stupid?

Not enough free stuff?

We can bern too.

[Vinca]

72. No, not enough self respect.

If you feel your candidate is so weak it's necessary to play the victimized woman card, you should look at another candidate to support. (By the way, which would you rather pay - $1,000 more in taxes or a $6,000 health insurance premium?)

[Beowulf]

95. Since when does a Democrat mock

universal healthcare, paid parental leave, and debt free education as "free stuff?" But please, keep digging.

[Beowulf]

98. I guess Hillary and her supporters need to make those hounds come to heel.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

148. Yes... heel you Hound of the Bernievilles!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

54. Pathetic

[coyote]

55. I would want to see Bernie's transcripts too if he was making speeches to banks at 250K / pop

[cherokeeprogressive]

56. Yawn.

[ladjf]

66. I'm doubting that Hillary would have been so careless as to say things

publicly that would get her in trouble later.

[thesquanderer]

68. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

They are hounding her because she's a woman. They hound Obama because he's black. So they hounded Bill Clinton... why? They hounded Romney for his tax returns, why?

Of course there is misogyny and bigotry in the world, but when you're in politics, everything comes under scrutiny.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

73. If the transcripts of her performances for Wall Street are innocuous

she should release them and put the matter to rest.

I don't like "strong" women, or "strong men" as leaders.

The real leader has no need to lead he is content to point the way. Henry Miller

[bunnies]

74. Who the fuck are you, two-day-old-DUer, to come in here and start this accusatory flamebait?

Dont you fucking DARE tell me, or any other DUer what our motives are. Piss off with that shit.

*correction: 1 year and 2 days. The rest fucking stands.

[youceyec]

75. wow

unhinged much?

politics is ALL about motives, if nothing else. Please, spare us.

[bunnies]

112. More name calling?

Get bent.

[youceyec]

114. kettle

pot?

[bunnies]

113. Right?

Im sick of these types.

[ebayfool]

118. It's pretty obvious. And getting real old, real fast.

n/t

[bunnies]

127. Yep. Like someone's campaign.

Coincidence? <<H>> Nope.

[arcane1]

77. Credibility = 0 n/t

[AzDar]

79. I am a woman. I am not a 'HOUND'...and every time Hillary or her surrogates screech "sexism"

it's doing a great deal of harm to the cause of Gender Equality. People want to see the transcripts because HRC is a known liar. Anyone dishonestly crying "sexism" as cynical cover for their own greed and ambition should be ashamed.

[jillan]

151. +10000!

[gcomeau]

80. Were you recently dropped on your head?

What a candidate was recently paid millions of dollars to say to the big banks that that candidate is now telling people she will keep in check as president is 100% relevent information that should be disclosed to voters.


Are are you in favor of the Citizens United reasoning now? Money is speech, and it doesn't influence anything? It's none of the fucking voters business who's giving their candidates massive amounts of money for what purposes just shut up and go tick the box in the voting booth that we tell you to?

[seaotter]

81. No, not at all.

She has asked to be held accountable for what she has said. These are things that she has said. RELEASE THE TRANSCRIPTS. You are NOT a victim! You are a candidate who should be held accountable.

[CincyDem]

82. Eventually, they'll be available.

These transcripts are going to be public. They'll show up somewhere during primary season or, more likely, during the general. You know someone somewhere is going to find a crack in the armor. To paraphrase Cathy Bates from Primary Colors - Folks, this is the kind of shit you want to get behind you early.

[Matariki]

84. Your post is sexist and insulting to women.

Clinton is running on a platform claiming she'll 'rein in Wallstreet' while taking huge amounts of money from same.

Damn straight we want to know what she said to them behind closed doors. As we would any candidate who's done the same. Most people don't trust Clinton, this is just one of many reasons why.

[UglyGreed]

87. .

[Matariki]

93. LOL

Is this the meme o' the day? Wanting to know if or how cozy Clinton is with Goldman Sachs is !!sexist!1!

[UglyGreed]

96. So many memes

[UglyGreed]

85. Hounds huh????

nice choice..........

[youceyec]

97. its

a figure of speech. very common. Stop trying to make it be otherwise.

[UglyGreed]

99. So is bring them to heel

even though I've never used either to describe other people.

[Fairgo]

89. So we are dogs now...

How very aristocratic of you. Too bad you are trapped with the serfs.

[UglyGreed]

92. Who else

those some kids needed to be treated or trained like dogs............

[Fairgo]

102. The whole dog meme seems to have some legs with the DNC

Hounds and curs brought to heel, also twitter's use of the term "rabid" to describe the BLM rep at the tea party.

[UglyGreed]

105. You may be right

rabid did not connect in my mind like that.....wow.

[youceyec]

110. wow,

you berine supporters are out there. 'hounds' is a figure of speech. No gender or harm is implied.

[Docreed2003]

159. Bernie supporters are "out there"...

But legitimate concerns about Sec Clinton are sexist??

[Dems to Win]

90. Which men running for Prez cashed in on their public service for $20million?

And then there is her husband, Bill, who has cashed in on his public service for $200million.

Keep the transcripts. I don't need to see them to know I don't want the greedy, sleazy Clintons back in the White House.

Free the Democratic Party from the Clintons!

[youceyec]

101. So

now its 20 mill? Why no 2 or 50? Every candidate has given paid speeches, of all kinds, to all kinds of groups. This is a collective power trip you folks are on. Nothing will make you all happy. The only thing that would is if somehow she changed her gender. Why should she give into you all when its not gonna satisfy your appetite for blood?

[Dems to Win]

106. Hell NO, everybody does NOT make $20million cashing in on their public service.

Bernie Sanders has not. He gets my vote.

Free the Democratic Party from the GREEDY Clintons!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

91. Bullpucky.

We "hounds" want to know whether and to what extent she is beholden to Goldman Sachs and the other banksters. Did she promise them something? Did she suggest that she really won't try to regulate them even though she's campaigning on a faux-progressive economic platform? If any male candidate had been making $250K speeches for GS and its ilk I'd be every bit as interested in what he said. It's extremely relevant. Will she put her money where her mouth is, or did she put her mouth where the money is?

[youceyec]

107. who or what

put this idea into your head that being paid for speeches means being beholden? Only thing I can think of is all the phony stuff about the Clinton Foundation that was all proven false?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

116. It is fair to ask *whether* she is beholden.

Nobody gets paid $250,000 for a one-hour speech unless the recipient of the speech figures the speech is worth $250K in some fashion. Did Lloyd Blankfein, as CEO of GS, sincerely believe that a one-hour speech by Hillary Clinton would provide $250K of benefit to GS? If so, how? If a few dozen GS executives, who are paid thousands of dollars per hour, took an hour or so away from their work to listen to the speech and hobnob a bit, GS has already lost an additional $250K, give or take, so now the cost to GS of that speech is closer to a half mil. So what was it about that speech that was so very valuable to GS? They do have auditors who might ask that very question. Was it the pearls of wisdom that dropped from her lips? Or was it the promise, express or implied, of future access? Future kid-gloves treatment? What makes any speech, by anybody, worth that kind of money?

If somebody offered you $250K to show up and babble for an hour about whatever you might have some expertise in, how would you feel about them? Pretty positive, I'd guess, since you know very well that your time and expertise aren't worth that because nobody's are. Maybe you're wondering why they are willing to pay so much. And then the light bulb goes on... "Hey, maybe they think I might be able to return the favor some day. And why wouldn't I, since they've been so generous to me?..."

Is Hillary in fact beholden to GS? We don't know, but the circumstances raise that inference. She might be able to set our minds at ease if she were to release the transcripts. Maybe she just talked about gardening or aerospace engineering or the movies. But we don't know.

[youceyec]

120. offered me?

or you? we are nobodies. She was first lady, senator, sec of state, champion etc. There is a difference. Of course she is going to be payed for her time giving speeches, nothing out of the ordinary for that. Trump got paid way more for his, upwards of 1 million. Why is no one speculating about who Trump is beholden to? Or any of the other candidates?

Sanders: "maybe what she has said behind close doors is not what she has said to the american people"

Fear monger of a biblical proportions.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

121. We already know who Trump is beholden to,

which is himself. He doesn't need Goldman Sachs' money, although I'm sure he's happy to take it. When I referred to "you" I meant that sort of generically, not personally - like how would any human being, regardless of their level of expertise or background, feel about being offered (or demanding) spectacularly high speaking fees without being influenced, consciously or otherwise, by all that bounty? But the New York Times just said it much better than I could:

On Tuesday, Mrs. Clinton further complained, “Why is there one standard for me, and not for everybody else?”

The only different standard here is the one Mrs. Clinton set for herself, by personally earning $11 million in 2014 and the first quarter of 2015 for 51 speeches to banks and other groups and industries.

Voters have every right to know what Mrs. Clinton told these groups. In July, her spokesman Nick Merrill said that though most speeches were private, the Clinton operation “always opened speeches when asked to.” Transcripts of speeches that have been leaked have been pretty innocuous. By refusing to release them all, especially the bank speeches, Mrs. Clinton fuels speculation about why she’s stonewalling.

Her conditioning her releases on what the Republicans might or might not do is mystifying. Republicans make no bones about their commitment to Wall Street deregulation and tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans. Mrs. Clinton is laboring to convince struggling Americans that she will rein in big banks, despite taking their money.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/26/opinion/mrs-clinton-show-voters-those-transcripts.html

[youceyec]

123. thats a weak argument

appealing to fear and speculation. IF she releases these, they will say the same thing about releasing something else. It wont stop until she says NO to having a single standard applied to only her.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

125. Did it bother you that Mitt Romney refused to release his tax returns?

Did it bother you that Richard Nixon wouldn't release the secret White House tapes?

[youceyec]

126. i hope thats a joke

comparing her to nixon crap? not funny.

Taxes are a tradition. Everyone does it.

[DebJ]

143. So, she should just release stuff. What's the big deal? If I was running, I'd not have any

problems with releasing any information. Clean conscience, nothing to hide, dump loads of stuff out there,
and bore everyone to death with a big pile of nothing. But then, I have nothing to hide, and no false pride]
to protect screaming: but look at my genitalia!

[krawhitham]

103. playing the victim card, is that all you got?

[Bluenorthwest]

109. Perhaps if she'd not patted the Patriarchy on the head and whispered to it that she too opposed LGBT

rights she'd have a feminist leg to stand on but fact is she spent years presenting herself as a a basic person of faith, staunch defender of strict gender norms and roles and a proponent of literal double standards under the law, one for her sanctified majority and other for the minority they dislike.

A real guardian of equality.

[Octafish]

111. It's to read what she said.

While I'd like to know if she made any promises or offers of amnesty, I believe she is too smart an attorney to ever say that out loud.

It'd be more like what President Obama told the banksters:

"I'm the only thing standing between you and the pitchforks."

[Thinkingabout]

115. The transcripts of Sanders meetings with lobbyists should be released to determine

If his votes was influenced by those meetings. He should also release his transcripts of conversations during the fund raisers he has attended. This would determine if he was influenced his voting and positions on the issues.

[BillZBubb]

119. What utter rubbish. This is about as pathetic an excuse for her as we've seen yet.

Playing the sexism card isn't going to get you very far outside the Hillary adoring set.

As for the emails, there is now an FBI investigation and a State Department investigation going on. Something in those emails didn't pass the smell test. Hopefully she will be exonerated, but at the least using her own server was a very bad decision.

[youceyec]

122. its mainly

playing the double standard. You just CANNOT see it. It seems. Thats why double standards are so sinister. They are not on purpose, for the most part. But that doesn't make it right.

Trump cried and whine for months about fair coverage etc...Imagine if HClinton did that, would the media stand for it?

No.

[Jim Lane]

132. In the first debate, Clinton herself made reference to her statements to Wall Street.

She thought those statements were relevant. She brought them up and gave her own summary ("I told them to cut it out&quot .

OK, if she says the speeches were relevant to her candidacy, who are we to disagree. It's just that we want to see what she actually said, instead of a self-serving characterization that may not be completely accurate.

That's even aside from the obvious issue of receiving huge sums of money.

You have absolutely no evidence of a double standard. Identify a male politician who is similarly situated and has been differently treated.

[autonomous]

134. the "hounds" sound horrible!

Keep your pearls safe!

[youceyec]

135. wow

again, this is a common figure of speech. nothing more. stop with the affected outrage.

[Oilwellian]

137. Hounds?

I love delicious ironies when they appear.

[autonomous]

149. she makes a valid point, with that barking

Thanks for the full context of that silliness Still voting for Sanders in the primary, but she makes a valid point about republican lies with that barking!

[Fawke Em]

144. Bullshit. I'm a woman and I just want to read it to see how much she

acquiesces to them.

We know she does - but how much?

[jillan]

150. Oh get over yourself! This has nothing to do with genetics and everything to do with corruption.

[Cobalt Violet]

163. perfect illustration of how out of touch they are.

[dchill]

154. You should be ashamed of yourself.

I know you're not, but you would be if you understood that those opposed to your candidate don't wish her ill because of her gender. We wish for her to be honest with herself, and with us, and to admit that she is ethically fatally flawed as a candidate for President.

Real deal, no shit.

[rufus dog]

156. OH for fucksake, that has to be one of the most ignorant things I have ever read here

If she had a penis the size of John Holmes and balls like a bulls and her name was Hank I would still want to see transcripts. Especially from a person who has a questionable relationship with Wall Street and a history of being misleading. This is the Democratic Primary not the Republican primary.

[yourout]

157. Oh please....what a load of crap.

Corruption is not gender specific.

[bigwillq]

161. Not at all

All candidates should release transcripts, medical records, tax returns, etc.

[Cobalt Violet]

162. ridiculous

I could care less about whether or not she has a penis or vagina. I do care A LOT about whether or not she is just telling us what she thinks we want to hear.