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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 06:18 AM Feb 2016

Can Clinton get a public option into the ACA?

http://www.politico.com/tipsheets/politico-pulse/2016/02/clinton-resurrects-public-option-califf-nomination-moves-forward-how-the-election-could-shape-the-market-212836

While Clinton's spokesperson told PULSE that she has consistently backed the public option since the 2008 campaign, Clinton pointed out just last month that Congress wasn't able to get it through during the ACA. "There was an opportunity to vote for what was called the public option," Clinton said during a debate in South Carolina, after she rebuked Sanders' plan as impractical. "But even when the Democrats were in charge of Congress, we couldn't get the votes for that."


https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/health-care/

Continue to support a “public option” — and work to build on the Affordable Care Act to make it possible. As she did in her 2008 campaign health plan, and consistently since then, Hillary supports a “public option” to reduce costs and broaden the choices of insurance coverage for every American. To make immediate progress toward that goal, Hillary will work with interested governors, using current flexibility under the Affordable Care Act, to empower states to establish a public option choice.

PNHP doesnt't like it, but I think it's still worth pursuing.

http://pnhp.org/blog/2009/03/26/himmelstein-and-woolhandler-on-a-public-plan-option/

A quarter century of experience with public/private competition in the Medicare program demonstrates that the private plans will not allow a level playing field. Despite strict regulation, private insurers have successfully cherry picked healthier seniors, and have exploited regional health spending differences to their advantage. They have progressively undermined the public plan — which started as the single payer for seniors and has now become a funding mechanism for HMOs — and a place to dump the unprofitably ill. A public plan option does not lead toward single payer, but toward the segregation of patients, with profitable ones in private plans and unprofitable ones in the public plan.


Comment by Don McCanne of PNHP
: You remember the public option. During the drafting of the Affordable Care Act (ACA), efforts were made to include a public option - a government-run plan that would compete with the private health plans in the insurance marketplace. If the private plans proved that they could provide greater value, then they would prevail. If the government could do a better job, then the public option could expand by demand and eventually become the single payer for the nation, so supporters believed.

The original concept for the public option was to allow individuals to buy into the Medicare program instead of purchasing private insurance. There were some obvious problems. Medicare lacked some important features required of the private plans such as catastrophic coverage - establishing a maximum out-of-pocket responsibility of paying for health care. Also, the existing Medicare pool was composed of the elderly and those with long term disabilities - expensive groups to insure. The exorbitant premium that would have to be charged could not be competitive with the private plans.

It was then decided to establish a new public insurance program that was designed like the private plans and that would have to follow the same rules. The insurance industry immediately opposed this since it would be “unfair” competition considering the government resources backing up the public plan, and the inherently higher administrative costs that the private insurers face, not to mention the need to profit from their operations - profit not being a feature of a publicly-owned insurer. Several (anti-competitive) features were proposed for the public option which would give the private insurers a “fair” playing field.

The insurers were still concerned that they could not compete against even a restricted government plan, and thus they continued to oppose it. There is a basis for that concern since the private Medicare Advantage plans are able to “compete” with the traditional Medicare program only because of the overpayments that are being made to the private plans. If they were in the same playing field, the private plans would perish. Nevertheless, the issue of the private option became moot when Sen. Joseph Lieberman, with no votes to spare, threatened to kill the entire Affordable Care Act if the public option were included.

We were left with the co-ops as a substitute for the public option. The co-ops are non-profit organizations in which the insured members are the owners. Congress, under the Republicans, has refused to provide promised funds, and half of them have collapsed. They are now being used by opponents of single payer to “prove” that the government would be incapable of running a single payer system - an obvious non sequitur.

Since the enactment of ACA there have been endless calls to add a public option. Single payer failed to gain traction because of the pervasive meme that single payer was not politically feasible. But if we could just get a public option, that would automatically evolve into a single payer system, they said.

Then along came Bernie Sanders. He carried the message that not only was single payer politically feasible, it was a moral imperative to achieve health care justice for all. To the surprise of Hillary Clinton and her campaign staff, Bernie Sanders came out of nowhere and gained traction carrying the single payer banner, and, as a result, has become a genuine challenge to her candidacy.

Hillary Clinton has always been an opponent of single payer and instead has supported the private insurance industry. Some have misinterpreted a statement of hers many years ago as supporting the fact that we would have single payer in the United States. But that statement was not in support of single payer but rather was her threat to us that if we did not accept her managed competition model of reform, we would have single payer.

So what was her campaign to do? They decided to bring back the concept of a public option to appease those who were turning to Sanders because of his advocacy of single payer. They are relying on the meme that the public option is our door to single payer (even though it is not true). But look at what her version of the public option is.

She says we should build on ACA. She has proposed no new federal public option legislation but she is merely suggesting that the states look at Sec 1332 of ACA which authorizes waivers for limited innovations on a state level. Imagine the difficulties that states would have, within the confines of Sec 1332, in building their own intra-state public plan. Unless they used private insurance innovations such as high deductibles, narrow provider networks, and tiered services, the premiums would be unaffordable to most. A single payer system would be funded equitably through progressive taxes, but you could not do that with a public option since that is only one plan in a multi-payer system.

In 2009, David Himmelstein and Steffie Woolhandler explained in very brief terms why the public option is a flawed concept (reproduced above). Hillary Clinton is now showing us how it is a diversion from the reform we really need - single payer. It is up to us, the people, to convince our politicians that single payer is what we want. It will not happen without us.
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Can Clinton get a public option into the ACA? (Original Post) eridani Feb 2016 OP
She makes vague statements with no plan to impliment or fund libtodeath Feb 2016 #1
Exactly the opposite. Hillary is THE candidate with detailed plans. Hortensis Feb 2016 #9
Please be serious,I have seen her statements libtodeath Feb 2016 #10
Anyone Who Listens To This Much Less "Believes" It Is Well... ? CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #11
Results of your Jury Service Matariki Feb 2016 #15
Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT. bananas Feb 2016 #16
no Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #2
The question you should be asking is: Karma13612 Feb 2016 #3
Her website says as much eridani Feb 2016 #4
I rest my case! Karma13612 Feb 2016 #12
Yes. She gets it. Hoyt Feb 2016 #5
Her "getting it" doesn't pass anything through Congress. jeff47 Feb 2016 #8
Clinton has no real interest in one EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #6
No. A public option would have to pass Congress. jeff47 Feb 2016 #7
One thing that we will never see is getting anything at all without asking for it eridani Feb 2016 #13
Can she? FangedNoumenom Feb 2016 #14

libtodeath

(2,892 posts)
1. She makes vague statements with no plan to impliment or fund
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 06:21 AM
Feb 2016

all of which rely on repuke governors to go along with.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. Exactly the opposite. Hillary is THE candidate with detailed plans.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:15 AM
Feb 2016

And, no, she has not offered a plan for single payer because that has to wait for a friendly congress to make it possible.

Hillary is NOT making empty promises. Her site has literally dozens of pages packed with plans she believes she can make happen.

Google her name with an issue you care about and look for HER site and statement on it. Such as prescription drug costs, and so on.

libtodeath

(2,892 posts)
10. Please be serious,I have seen her statements
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:18 AM
Feb 2016

Her health insurance plan is based on getting states to enact a public option.
She never explains how she will pay for anything or how she will get repuke governors to go along.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
15. Results of your Jury Service
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 02:05 AM
Feb 2016

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Karma13612

(4,945 posts)
12. I rest my case!
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 06:26 PM
Feb 2016

If she scores the Oval Office, she will go right back to supporting and " strengthening " the For-profit ACA.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
8. Her "getting it" doesn't pass anything through Congress.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:10 AM
Feb 2016

So where's the realistic plan that she can actually get done? She isn't promising something she can't possibly deliver, is she?

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
6. Clinton has no real interest in one
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 07:26 AM
Feb 2016

And takes money hand over fist from the Healthcare industry, and big pharma. And their lobbyists. In fact she hired the owner of a massive lobbying form that represents both to be her campaign chairman.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
7. No. A public option would have to pass Congress.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:09 AM
Feb 2016

The Republicans who've voted to repeal the ACA more than 60 times are not going to expand it.

More rainbows and unicorns from Clinton. Unfortunately, her rainbows are just shades of grey, and the unicorns are obviously stuffed animals.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
13. One thing that we will never see is getting anything at all without asking for it
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 01:30 AM
Feb 2016

That doesn't seal the deal of course--lots of work needed. Sanders can mobilize more people for single payer than Clinton can for the public option.

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