Does anyone else have a sneaky suspicion that if Trump and Hillary are the nominees,

[Live and Learn]

Trump will make up some excuse to quit at the last minute and give Hillary the Presidency?

I have always felt his running was a setup of some kind.

[Barack_America]

1. They should just share the ticket and be invincible.

Not terribly much difference between the two.

She, a bit more forgiving to immigrants. He, a bit more critical of Israel. Both enamoured of Wall Street.

[ebayfool]

4. Jury results:

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They should just share the ticket and be invincible.
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Claiming there isn't much difference between Trump and Clinton is a nasty smear on a leading Democratic candidate. It's also entirely uninformed and a smear with no content.

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[autonomous]

5. unclean!!!!

[ebayfool]

9. Gasp !!!!!

[artislife]

22. Sorry but that tip does not look like a finger...nt

[ebayfool]

31. Hey, it's Donald Southerland! Gawd knows what he could be waving around! (snerk!) n/t

[artislife]

38. Really!! Now I am laughing harder...nt

[Manifestor_of_Light]

67. Horrors! He might be waving Universal Health Care around!!! Scary!!

Donald Sutherland's father-in-law was Tommy Douglas, voted the greatest Canadian.

He brought universal health care to Saskatchewan and later the entire country of Canada.

Mouseland - an animation set to a speech of Tommy Douglas, introduced by Kiefer Sutherland:

[Live and Learn]

53. ROFL

[Barack_America]

10. Hey, my first one. (That I know of)

Thanks for letting me know.

I guess the alerter isn't aware of Hillary's support for deporting undocumented children to potential slaughter. Kind of isn't a smear, sorry about that.

No worries, I'm thinking my 12 year tenure at DU is probably drawing to a close anyway. Either way, it's going to be 4 years of "I told you so", regardless of whether Trump or Clinton wins. Not fun.

[ebayfool]

15. Hear, hear!

I so dislike sneak attacks (hall monitor snitches). If they don't agree - they should speak up or shut up. And her supporters don't seem to give a tinker's damn about those kids - else they wouldn't contort into pretzels the reasons for her supporting it.



note to possible jurors:
My opinion, better stated openly than behind backs in alerts! YMMV

[Live and Learn]

19. Hey, hey, don't let them talk you out of Bernie winning. He won't be out of it after Tuesday.

His strengths will be shown down the road. And I am betting, that he won't do to terribly bad even in the South. Keep Feeling the Bern!!!

[senz]

48. I agree with you. Bernie is in it for the long haul

as he has been his entire life, because that's who he is. He's real, he's true. He means it.

[Live and Learn]

49. Yep, and so do his growing followers. (Actually many of us were right along side him all the time

but others are quickly catching on.)

[Live and Learn]

11. That might be the plan. nt

[BainsBane]

2. Yeah, because his ginormous ego will suddenly disappear in her presence.

[Live and Learn]

20. Their ginormous egos seem to get along just fine in private. nt

[BainsBane]

52. Said with absolutely no sense of irony.

only one candidate calls his campaign a revolution, with absolutely no evidence to support the claim given that he hasn't pulled in a fraction of the voters Obama did or the GOP is doing. One has organized his campaign around arena appearances and talks about feeling like a rock star, and even claimed global markets were faltering because of him.

Clinton doesn't approach that, but then she is a woman who dares to believe herself an equal citizen, and that falure to stay in her place and collapse in the face on a candidate with less experience or support means her ego is too big.

[Live and Learn]

56. What is incredible is that you don't see it. nt

[Glamrock]

3. I have been waiting months

for Ashton Kutcher to jump out from behind Trump's podium yelling, "You got PUNKED America! PUNKED! BWAAAAAA!"

[Live and Learn]

12. ROFL

[PoliticAverse]

6. Are you claiming the joke's on us?...

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

8. Why the wing nuts haven't used this pic is beyond me. It's baffling to be honest.

[Live and Learn]

13. Pretty much. nt

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

7. I've been saying this since the day he entered the race. He was always close to HRC...

And he supported the Clintons. I do believe...and have always believed...that he wants her as president.

[Live and Learn]

14. Me too but I am not sure he expected to be so far ahead.

I thought his goal might just have been to get Bush out because I knew he hated him but now that he could really take the nomination, I wonder what the plan is now.

Could he just throw in the towel at the end and say he changed his mind? Could he give her the Presidency and take Vice president (though I don't think he would want that either)?

And what if Bernie gets the nomination what might he do then?

[artislife]

23. He would be downgrading if he got the White House

Not enough gold leaf.

[Live and Learn]

29. Yep, and I wouldn't doubt he would make some major and awful changes to it if he had to live there.

[CoffeeCat]

60. My husband and I were both chuckling at the thought of

Donald Trump slumming it in the White House. That place is a dump compared to his lavish, over-the-top mansions.

I'm sorry, but I just can't see him without his gold plated columns and leopard-skin chaise lounges.

I think it would be a real demotion for him to be living in a house that didn't have his and hers emerald-encrusted toilets.

Ok seriously...I'm done with the jokes, but still---I'm just not buying it. Someone as rich as Trump would be moody in the boring White House.

[Live and Learn]

63. Exactly, I can't picture him actually enjoing the mundane realities of being President. nt

[jillan]

16. No, not at all.

[Live and Learn]

17. You really think he is going to give up the job he loves (making billions) for 4 to 8 years

to sit at a desk and in meetings listening to policies and legislation? I really can't picture it. It bored Dumbya to death (apart from the dressing up and claiming victory part) and I think Trump would hate it for the most part too.

Then again, Bill and Hillary have shown him how easy it is to make millions just by uttering a few words for corporations.

[Lucky Luciano]

24. Being president would allow him to self-promote 100x more.

That promoting will increase his brand value a ton in his eyes. It will be worth it - think Bloomberg.

[Live and Learn]

25. I am not sure it is even possible to increase his brand value. nt

[delrem]

18. No. But I'll bet he has a recording of the phone call with Bill,

a couple weeks before he announced.

With Trump and Clinton there isn't much sleaze that I'd be surprised about. But no, Trump is now in it for the long haul and ... y'know ... the Clintons are approx $200million richer already from their political escapades and I doubt they'll suffer.

[Live and Learn]

21. Trust me, I wasn't worried about how the Clintons would make it in the future but

Hillary did so want to make it back to Camelot.

[delrem]

26. That's just icing on the cake they baked.

Look at the pics of the three of them, Bill Hillary and Chelsea. They couldn't even make it as Republicans.

I think Trump, or just about anybody, could win against the Dems if the Dems go with Hillary.
Because she has nothing to offer that the Republicans don't do more honestly.

I don't care what Al Franken says - not since he converted to the religion of supply side Jesus.

[Live and Learn]

27. Well then, fun as it would be to see how it plays out, I think we better do our damnedest to

ensure a Bernie victory cause I really don't like any of the other scenarios.

And I am not sure the world or the climate can withstand any of them.

[delrem]

36. I'm hoping. You guys on the Sanders team are doing an amazing job

and I'm impressed. Really impressed.

But wow, do you ever have a job in front of you. Win or lose, you have a huge undertaking in front of you.

[Live and Learn]

40. We are pretty hard workers despite what Hillary might think of us.

And we will never give up. Their policies cannot be allowed to continue.

[PoliticAverse]

28. You're not worried that after another 8-years in the White House, the Clintons will be broke again?

[Live and Learn]

32. Well, Goldman Sachs might not pay quite as much for speeches but she is part of the family

now, so I am sure she will do okay.

[JI7]

30. i think he would rather have her as President than any of his Republican Primary Opponents

i think bill clinton encouraged his run. not in a "you should run" type of way but more like manipulate his feelings in a way to get him to run.

i still question whether he wants to actually get as far as being president. i think he doesn't want any of the republicans to beat him. but that's more because he doesn't want to be seen as a loser to them.

with hillary the same thing might happen where because of his ego he wants to beat her just to beat her.

but i don't think there is any agreement between them .

[Live and Learn]

34. But it would be easy for him to just say he has more important things to do and walk away if he

wants.

I agree that with his ego, you never know what he might decide so unless they have a contract or transcripts, he wouldn't be a very good partner in a conspiracy.

[JI7]

37. that would be seen as kind of a quitter thing. i think the best for him would be a way where he can

blame some establishment powers for stopping him and taking away wrongly what should be his.

[Live and Learn]

41. Oh yes, or claim we don't deserve his help or something after the way he was treated.

I don't think it would affect him negatively no matter what he said.

[JI7]

43. and then go back to reality tv and make even more money

since he would have gotten even more fame from the presidential run.

[Live and Learn]

44. Easily. He is more popular than ever. nt

[delrem]

50. Looks like you believe that you're a mind reader.

Prone to invention.
Perhaps you should be careful about that.

[tularetom]

64. If Trump is dumb enough to let a con man like Bill Clinton bullshit him into running

Then he probably is too dumb to be president.

But I'd still give anything to see the look on Clinton's face the morning he has to stand next to Hillary while she gives her concession speech. It will happen. Let's just hope the speech is addressed to Sanders and not to Trump.

[Nyan]

33. Hmm. I guess you could picture that.

Trump is a show man. He's like a wrestler. And the world is his stage. It would be wise not to believe anything he does or says.
For the right amount offered by Bill through phone call, he might see his way out.
Plus, they're very close friends. Their daughters are BFFs. It's not entirely out of question.

[Live and Learn]

35. Yep, that is my feeling. With Trump you just don't know. nt

[oasis]

39. Sweet!

[Live and Learn]

45. Guessing it wouldn't bother you at all. nt

[oasis]

47. It would be a wake up call for both parties.

That would be the second good thing.

[senz]

42. Early on, various pundits wondered if Trump was in it as a spoiler.

He took no time getting rid of Jeb and then Scott Walker, each of whom might be strong against Hillary and were at one time considered favorites before Trump took them down. Jeb was considered a "moderate" Republican and Walker had huge Kock Bros. backing for awhile. The ones who remain seem unbalanced, odd.

Trump and Hillary are friends. Also, he's contributed money to her. They're both corporate-friendly money worshipers. I have never heard him savage her the way he has his Republican opponents.

One big political/economic difference between them is the TPP, if Trump is to be believed.

I've wondered about it, too.

[Live and Learn]

46. "... if Trump is to be believed." That is a mighty big if (for either one of them).

[senz]

51. Yes, another thing they have in common --

statements unrelated to fact, truth, or feelings. Just ... words...

[Live and Learn]

54. I am sure they get on fabulously. nt

[grossproffit]

55. Nope.

[aikoaiko]

57. Nope, I suspect Trump will move left to the center faster than HRC will move right to the center

[nadinbrzezinski]

58. nope

and you underestimate Trump at your peril

[Live and Learn]

61. How am I understimating Trump? I don't think anyone can know what he will do in the long run.

I don't trust Trump or Hillary. Pretty much about equally.

I do think Hillary is more likely to start a war. Trump doesn't make money off of wars and was adamantly against the Iraq war. (Maybe he wanted to build a hotel in Iraq before it was decimated.)

[nadinbrzezinski]

65. Trump has been laying the ground for a run for some years

starting in 2000 there were rumors he was going to... he did not, At that time I think he realized it was not a good time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2000

Much of what he has done is to essentially lay the ground work for this, including give a second life to the birther moment that Hillary's campaign started. He is a narcissist, POTUS has a nice ring, and a fascist.

We actually said months ago that he was going to go all the way... and that this was a base revolt.

Granted, it is a base revolt on both sides, and even the Rs are FINALLY waking up... too late. Here from politico

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/doors-gop-consulting-independent-219859#ixzz41KmBHsrQ

And the document they linked to well says the same as the article itself, but here

http://static.politico.com/4b/2e/f597073c4ba18c25c6b1bc1396a4/independent-ballot-access.pdf

[Live and Learn]

68. I don't think Politico has any better handle on Trump than I do.

Nobody, including likely Trump knows what he will actually do.

[nadinbrzezinski]

69. I think I have a pretty good read

and that story, is about what the REPUBLICAN party is about to do, or at least the business faction (who they do not ID by name, but are exactly who they mean). Ah the good ol' days of 1852 when Lincoln and a few of his friends decided to take on their elders in the Whig party.

Mostly I have called this to a t starting in July as far as Trump is concerned, but I understand why the beltway media was chortling as late as December. We predicted this base revolt on both sides back then. Or rather went on record.

On the bright side. this primary (which I expected to be boring as hell) is proving to be scarily entertaining, Oh and yes, I would like my crow fricasseed if I am wrong, I will gladly eat that crow... on the down side, Ted Cruz is actually more scary than Trump. Of the two, Trump is a tad more moderate.

Oh and for completeness, that base revolt includes the dems.

[Live and Learn]

70. Well, I hope we never have to find out how right I was. lol

[nadinbrzezinski]

71. With all her defects, she is actually less scary than trump

and trust me, she has many.

[Live and Learn]

73. I am not so sure about that. nt

[DesMoinesDem]

59. No. He wants to be President and he will be if Hillary is the nominee.

[Live and Learn]

62. Could be but I find it hard to believe. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

66. Im not sure I have ever seen a human being so completely head over heels in love with himself

If he was doing this as some kind of a stunt, he's serious as shit now. This is a hot fudge ice cream crack sundae for the man's ego.

[Blue_In_AK]

72. No, I don't have that feeling at all.

The Donald's ego would not allow that, especially since he has so much support.