2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary is more likely to take the country to war than Trump.
She is more at the interventionist end of the spectrum...Iraq war, regime change in Libya, etc., etc.
Trump is more cautious and non-interventionist. He has called both G.W. Bush and Hillary Clinton stupid for the war in Iraq.
Something to think about, perhaps.
BillyDawg
(82 posts)you know what, never mind. I don't even know how to respond
californiabernin
(421 posts)Have you been listening? Do you know Clinton's record?
I an absolutely serious. Trump is no war-monger. He's all about being tough on trade, building walls, more guns in America, etc., but not not regime change and stupid wars. He's isolationist, really.
I see you edited your post to "I don't know how to respond." I understand your dilemma.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)And he listens to the shows.
californiabernin
(421 posts)Clinton has a record. We know her modus operandi. She fancies herself "experienced in foreign policy" and always wants to have America's fingers in the fire somewhere. Makes her feel like she's accomplishing something.
Problem is what she tries to accomplish always makes things worse. Sanders understands why, and so does Trump.
Imagine that, something Trump and Sanders have in common!
SidDithers
(44,333 posts)it's South Carolina day.
The beginning of the end of the primary campaign.
Sid
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)You just might get it.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)If Trump plays his cards right (left) he could take most of the Republican and Independents along with a good slice of anti-war Democrats. Hillary has nowhere to go to escape her record as a neocon. The sword rattling that worked in NY for her may be her demise elsewhere.
californiabernin
(421 posts)I think if she's the nominee it will be Trump in a landslide. He will make her look both incompetent and dangerous based on her foreign policy record...err, wait, did I say "look?"
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Unfortunately, there are Rightwing Democrats who share that enthusiasm for military intervention. Fortunately, most Americans are thoroughly sick of optional wars and regime change and our involvement in genocidal civil wars. This will likely decide the election, and it looks like the party may be on the wrong side of this.
Stand and Fight
(7,506 posts)Trump has said he is not opposed to using Nukes on ISIS... Despite civilian casualties. Tell me again how Trump is no war monger?
WRKOs Jeff Kuhner asked Trump about the news that Russian President Vladimir Putin has threatened to nuke ISIS. Would Donald Trump be open, like Putin, to using nuclear weapons to defeat Islamofascism and to wipe out ISIS? he asked.
But Trump demurred on the question. Now, understand what Im saying; I dont wanna give you an answer to that.
Trump said he didnt want Americas enemies to know his game plan. Because part of the problem that we have with Obama is theyre so predictable, they give answers to everything. They sent troops over there and they announce theyre sending fifty people over there and now those troops have a target of their head.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/donald-trump-wont-rule-out-using-nuclear-weapons-against-isis/
Trump gave a long, meandering answer, which touched on a variety of issues unrelated to the nuclear triad. Hewitt, to his credit, tried again, asking, Of the three legs of the triad, though, do you have a priority?
The Republican candidate whod just been reminded of what the triad refers to responded, I think, for me, nuclear is just the power, the devastation is very important to me.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/team-trumps-unhealthy-approach-nuclear-weapons
californiabernin
(421 posts)He said he doesn't want to give an answer. I understand why. Doesn't mean he's about to go nuke ISIS.
To dismiss Trump as crazy is in itself a crazy thing to do. It's easy to call those we disagree with "crazy nuts" and therefore dismiss them. Trump is not a regime-changer. He's no neocon.
Yes he says outrageous things and is the opposite of what everyone here would call "politically correct," but he's not crazy in the sense that you are suggesting.
I don't think the Clintons would have attended the wedding if they thought it was for some crazy person, do you?
Stand and Fight
(7,506 posts)californiabernin
(421 posts)He's manipulative, a bigot, a bully, but no he's not crazy.
Any presidential candidate will say they will destroy ISIS. Refusing to answer the question about the nukes doesn't mean he would actually use them. He's just operating in the mode of don't tell your enemies anything they don't need to know.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)and what better way to do that than to bomb the shit out of some country halfway around the world. Nobody called George Bush a wimp after he got his hands bloody.
californiabernin
(421 posts)She's got the track record for it. And something to prove.
actslikeacarrot
(464 posts)..she has never met an "overseas adventure" she didn't like. I cant even begin to speculate on what a president trump would do, but with Clinton I am almost positive there will be new or more boots on the ground somewhere within a year of her inauguration.
zappaman
(20,627 posts)Keep trying.
JustAnotherGen
(37,780 posts)If Trump is President.
msongs
(73,259 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)It sure is getting desperate around here.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)that anti war indys and even dems might choose trump in a trump clinton matchup, especially when you add in his anti tpp stance, his apparent support for single payer, and his willingness to get campaign money, like drug company and insurance company lobbying, out of politics.
you might not like the way this might go, but that doesn't change the fsct that people are voting beyond party in this election. that will benefit trump.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)their oil fields". How does that happen?
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)by OUR troops, he can look forward to the same reaction w got in iraq2
californiabernin
(421 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)Clinton is a hawk, and so should not be president. Trump is dumb as a stump, prepared to commit war crimes, a racist, a sexist, a bully, and a fool. I have a hard time imagining that he wouldn't be hawkish. It's not a good idea to give an army to a nativist racist bully.
braddy
(3,585 posts)snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)SidDithers
(44,333 posts)Sid
BooScout
(10,409 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)SidDithers
(44,333 posts)Sid
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Look for a new user supporting Bernie on the Welcome page soon!
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)"Trump is more cautious."
