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californiabernin

(421 posts)
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 01:48 AM Feb 2016

Hillary is more likely to take the country to war than Trump.

She is more at the interventionist end of the spectrum...Iraq war, regime change in Libya, etc., etc.

Trump is more cautious and non-interventionist. He has called both G.W. Bush and Hillary Clinton stupid for the war in Iraq.

Something to think about, perhaps.

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Hillary is more likely to take the country to war than Trump. (Original Post) californiabernin Feb 2016 OP
Good lord BillyDawg Feb 2016 #1
I do believe that. californiabernin Feb 2016 #2
Yeah, he's so trustworthy gwheezie Feb 2016 #3
So Clinton is more trustworthy? californiabernin Feb 2016 #4
Don't worry about responding... SidDithers Feb 2016 #21
Be careful what you wish for Depaysement Feb 2016 #28
Hillary is very vulnerable on this very issue. leveymg Feb 2016 #5
Indeed she is. It boggles my mind that more are not concerned about this. californiabernin Feb 2016 #7
Many of us at DU have been warning for years about HRC being trigger happy leveymg Feb 2016 #11
That's the crazy. That's just crazy to say. Stand and Fight Feb 2016 #6
Where in your post does Trump say he is not opposed to using Nukes on ISIS? californiabernin Feb 2016 #8
Trump isn't crazy? Okay.... Stand and Fight Feb 2016 #9
Yes. That is what I said, he's not crazy. californiabernin Feb 2016 #12
Oh I am sure in her first year she would prove she has bigger balls than any male president CBGLuthier Feb 2016 #10
Unfortunately, I think you are probably right. californiabernin Feb 2016 #13
As i've said before... actslikeacarrot Feb 2016 #14
Lol! zappaman Feb 2016 #15
We are more likely to be invaded JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #17
she is also responsible for global warming according to DU lol. all powerful sounds like to me nt msongs Feb 2016 #16
Either you're trolling or a Bernie supporter giving hyperbole a whole new meaning. RBInMaine Feb 2016 #18
So vote Trump? sufrommich Feb 2016 #19
the reality of their positions on this issue means restorefreedom Feb 2016 #20
Trump has vowed to destroy isis and "take sufrommich Feb 2016 #24
i don't know what he thinking. but if he is thinking this will be done restorefreedom Feb 2016 #25
I won't vote for either Hillary or Trump. californiabernin Feb 2016 #23
The country is already at war. And Trump has endorsed committing war crimes. Vattel Feb 2016 #22
Trump was passionately calling for invading Libya in 2011. braddy Feb 2016 #26
Hillary is a proven Chicken Hawk. nt snagglepuss Feb 2016 #27
Sigh...nt SidDithers Feb 2016 #29
... BooScout Feb 2016 #30
And the DU Political Rehabilitation of Trump continues apace. Codeine Feb 2016 #31
EarlG ain't havin' none of it, tho... SidDithers Feb 2016 #32
Ha! Excellent news! Codeine Feb 2016 #33
Ouch. So much "burn", OP. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #34
Over and over again. yourpaljoey Feb 2016 #35
Ridiculous Tea-Left HYPERBOLE RBInMaine Feb 2016 #36
You lost me at Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #37
 

californiabernin

(421 posts)
2. I do believe that.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 01:51 AM
Feb 2016

Have you been listening? Do you know Clinton's record?

I an absolutely serious. Trump is no war-monger. He's all about being tough on trade, building walls, more guns in America, etc., but not not regime change and stupid wars. He's isolationist, really.

I see you edited your post to "I don't know how to respond." I understand your dilemma.

 

californiabernin

(421 posts)
4. So Clinton is more trustworthy?
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 01:55 AM
Feb 2016

Clinton has a record. We know her modus operandi. She fancies herself "experienced in foreign policy" and always wants to have America's fingers in the fire somewhere. Makes her feel like she's accomplishing something.

Problem is what she tries to accomplish always makes things worse. Sanders understands why, and so does Trump.

Imagine that, something Trump and Sanders have in common!

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
5. Hillary is very vulnerable on this very issue.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 02:00 AM
Feb 2016

If Trump plays his cards right (left) he could take most of the Republican and Independents along with a good slice of anti-war Democrats. Hillary has nowhere to go to escape her record as a neocon. The sword rattling that worked in NY for her may be her demise elsewhere.

 

californiabernin

(421 posts)
7. Indeed she is. It boggles my mind that more are not concerned about this.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 02:01 AM
Feb 2016

I think if she's the nominee it will be Trump in a landslide. He will make her look both incompetent and dangerous based on her foreign policy record...err, wait, did I say "look?"

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
11. Many of us at DU have been warning for years about HRC being trigger happy
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 02:11 AM
Feb 2016

Unfortunately, there are Rightwing Democrats who share that enthusiasm for military intervention. Fortunately, most Americans are thoroughly sick of optional wars and regime change and our involvement in genocidal civil wars. This will likely decide the election, and it looks like the party may be on the wrong side of this.

Stand and Fight

(7,506 posts)
6. That's the crazy. That's just crazy to say.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 02:00 AM
Feb 2016

Trump has said he is not opposed to using Nukes on ISIS... Despite civilian casualties. Tell me again how Trump is no war monger?

When asked by a Boston radio host whether he would consider dropping nuclear weapons on ISIS, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump refused to answer the question.

WRKO’s Jeff Kuhner asked Trump about the news that Russian President Vladimir Putin has threatened to nuke ISIS. “Would Donald Trump be open, like Putin, to using nuclear weapons to defeat Islamofascism and to wipe out ISIS?” he asked.

But Trump demurred on the question. “Now, understand what I’m saying; I don’t wanna give you an answer to that.”

Trump said he didn’t want America’s enemies to know his game plan. “Because part of the problem that we have with Obama is they’re so predictable, they give answers to everything. They sent troops over there and they announce they’re sending fifty people over there and now those troops have a target of their head.”

http://www.mediaite.com/online/donald-trump-wont-rule-out-using-nuclear-weapons-against-isis/


One of the more cringe-worthy moments of last week’s Republican debate came towards the end of the evening and dealt with, of all things, nuclear weapons. Hugh Hewitt asked Donald Trump, “What’s your priority among our nuclear triad?” To make things really easy for the GOP frontrunner, the conservative co-moderator went to the trouble of explaining what the “nuclear triad” is (bombers, missiles, and submarines).

Trump gave a long, meandering answer, which touched on a variety of issues unrelated to the nuclear triad. Hewitt, to his credit, tried again, asking, “Of the three legs of the triad, though, do you have a priority?”

The Republican candidate – who’d just been reminded of what the “triad” refers to – responded, “I think, for me, nuclear is just the power, the devastation is very important to me.”

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/team-trumps-unhealthy-approach-nuclear-weapons
 

californiabernin

(421 posts)
8. Where in your post does Trump say he is not opposed to using Nukes on ISIS?
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 02:05 AM
Feb 2016

He said he doesn't want to give an answer. I understand why. Doesn't mean he's about to go nuke ISIS.

To dismiss Trump as crazy is in itself a crazy thing to do. It's easy to call those we disagree with "crazy nuts" and therefore dismiss them. Trump is not a regime-changer. He's no neocon.

Yes he says outrageous things and is the opposite of what everyone here would call "politically correct," but he's not crazy in the sense that you are suggesting.

I don't think the Clintons would have attended the wedding if they thought it was for some crazy person, do you?

 

californiabernin

(421 posts)
12. Yes. That is what I said, he's not crazy.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 02:14 AM
Feb 2016

He's manipulative, a bigot, a bully, but no he's not crazy.

Any presidential candidate will say they will destroy ISIS. Refusing to answer the question about the nukes doesn't mean he would actually use them. He's just operating in the mode of don't tell your enemies anything they don't need to know.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
10. Oh I am sure in her first year she would prove she has bigger balls than any male president
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 02:10 AM
Feb 2016

and what better way to do that than to bomb the shit out of some country halfway around the world. Nobody called George Bush a wimp after he got his hands bloody.

actslikeacarrot

(464 posts)
14. As i've said before...
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 02:19 AM
Feb 2016

..she has never met an "overseas adventure" she didn't like. I cant even begin to speculate on what a president trump would do, but with Clinton I am almost positive there will be new or more boots on the ground somewhere within a year of her inauguration.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
20. the reality of their positions on this issue means
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 07:08 AM
Feb 2016

that anti war indys and even dems might choose trump in a trump clinton matchup, especially when you add in his anti tpp stance, his apparent support for single payer, and his willingness to get campaign money, like drug company and insurance company lobbying, out of politics.

you might not like the way this might go, but that doesn't change the fsct that people are voting beyond party in this election. that will benefit trump.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
25. i don't know what he thinking. but if he is thinking this will be done
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:55 AM
Feb 2016

by OUR troops, he can look forward to the same reaction w got in iraq2

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
22. The country is already at war. And Trump has endorsed committing war crimes.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 07:16 AM
Feb 2016

Clinton is a hawk, and so should not be president. Trump is dumb as a stump, prepared to commit war crimes, a racist, a sexist, a bully, and a fool. I have a hard time imagining that he wouldn't be hawkish. It's not a good idea to give an army to a nativist racist bully.

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