Hillary Supporters need to be more realistic. I think she will lose the GE. Just look at the

[Cal33]

large numbers of voters who simply can't trust her. Here's one link:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/07/28/why_voters_dont_trust_hillary_clinton_127567.html#!

Just Google: "Voters Do Not Trust Hillary Clinton", and you will find 4.5 million other articles.

Edit: Sorry! But that's the way it is. I don't believe anything will change this.

[EdwardBernays]

1. They'd rather lose the GE

than give up on their cult of personality

[pdsimdars]

40. Exactly!!!!

That is exactly what it is, a cult of personality.

[brentspeak]

61. It's deeper than that

If Bernie were to actually win the Dem nomination, the Democratic establishment would prefer that a Republican wins the WH. That is how far the party has fallen.

[Cal33]

66. Yes. The DNC could stand some reformation, and they don't want to change their ways.

[EdwardBernays]

89. And ironically

The same is true on the other side if Trump wins.

As long as someone corrupt is in power it's better than Trump or Sanders.

Jesus.

[Vattel]

100. Lol, that would be funny. The Repubs supporting Bernie and the Dems supporting Trump.

[EdwardBernays]

109. What's a tangled web we weave

[Cal33]

137. This world of ours is full of contradictions. I'm not easily shocked.

[cascadiance]

102. Yep! If Bernie and Trump win, then Bloomberg gets in the race!

And champions that he's the only one that is "pro-immigration" which he will push a bill that includes a very heavy increase of guest worker programs which he supports NO quota limits on, unlike both Trump and Bernie! And DWS probably would endorse him along with other corporate beholden Dems!

[EdwardBernays]

110. When first we practise to deceive!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

133. Isn't the same true for the Bernie supporters who have vowed to vote for Trump or stay home?

They'd rather see Trump win than a Democrat.

Interesting...

[cantbeserious]

2. IMHO - A Vote For HRC In The Primary Is A Vote For Trump In The General Election

eom

[valerief]

3. It doesn't matter what we want. Superdelegates are ensuring her win. nt

[PonyUp]

8. Let the super delegates vote for her if Bernie is the people's choice

and watch her lose major support in the general.

[valerief]

13. What general? The one with her as the Democratic candidate?

Bernie will step aside for her.

The primary is rigged.

The only hope to get Bernie as the candidate is to get Clinton out of the race via her legal woes. TPTB ain't gonna let that happen.

Still, I want to see the youth of America storm the gates of TPTB. Of course, I never will, because there will be a media blackout.

[tazkcmo]

26. You can if you're there. n/t

[Cobalt Violet]

106. but then there are those transcripts.

Her 47% moment may yet to come. I hope Bernie can hang in enough to wait.

[valerief]

108. She sit on them for as long as she damn well pleases because no one will make her

release them. Unfortunately.

Our only hope is a storming of the Bastille.

[notadmblnd]

128. There was a post here today, with a copy of one of her emails.

it was locked and deleted before anyone had a chance to respond to it. The OP left absolutely no comment good or bad regarding the email, in my opinion it should not have been hid. I have a question into the admins asking if the Hillary State Department Emails are not allowed to be posted on DU. I don't expect an answer for days or weeks even.

[redstateblues]

132. everything in Bernieworld is rigged.

Where were the millenials today?

[hack89]

14. How?

Hillary is on track to win without super delegates. It is basic math- they only become a factor if Bernie keeps it close.

[Codeine]

24. Superdelegates will be unnecessary.

She will take the lion's share of pledged delegates, beginning today.

[PatrynXX]

35. I'm not counting them

SC is to Hillary as NH is to Sanders This is gonna be a long season and superdelegates vote whichever the wind flies.

[Cal33]

48. To this, I might add that the Southern States are expected to vote for Hillary.

[Jenny_92808]

82. Not true....

The super delegates can change their alliance to vote at any time. They actually do not vote until the convention. Just look at what happened during the Obama primaries, many of the super delegates switched to Obama when the popular vote shifted that way. Thom Hartmann explained this well.

It is shameful that the corporate media is counting the super delegates in the total count because they have not voted yet and can change their alliance at will. They should keep it separate .... earned delegates vs. pledged delegates.

[truedelphi]

105. Yes, they CAN change their allegiance --

And this has happened many times before.

It even happened back in 2008 when Hillary's superdelegates switched to Obama after it was clear he was the People's Choice and he had won more Primaries.

However this time, the DNC and Hillary Clinton has corrupted the process. The superdelegates are now drawn from the class of persons known as lobbyists!

So don't expect them to switch!

[randome]

4. 'Realistic' is going by your opinion?

The only realistic fact you have is this poll about trustworthiness. Is that enough to catapult Trump into the Presidency? Well, like you, I have an opinion on that and it's 'No'.

Sanders' agenda is not resonating with voters. Clinton's isn't do much, if any, better, but when it comes down to it, with or without the scorched earth DUers, I don't see Clinton failing to win.
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[Cal33]

15. Numerous posts over the months have shown that Bernie Sanders has always beaten

any and all of the Republican presidential nominees. This is not true of Hillary. She
has almost always lost when compared to them.

It's ironic. Hillary could win against Bernie -- with a lot of help from the DNC -- but
her chances of winning in the General Elections are close to zero.

It appears that many powerful members of the DNC are placing a higher priority in
their emotions than in their logic. They just want Hillary to win so badly, and they can't
think any further than that! They're simply stuck there. They will not face facts.

Which is more important to them -- Hillary or the Democratic Party itself???

A further question might be: What makes Hillary so important to these people?

[randome]

25. She has the numbers so I think it behooves us to recognize that and move her further to the left.

Otherwise, we're giving up. That may be your 'game plan' but it certainly isn't mine. Early on, I said I don't particularly like Clinton and I'd prefer someone else run for the office. But Sanders doesn't appear to be resonating with voters as much as Clinton does.

It's a simple recognition of reality.
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[PatrynXX]

38. she hasn't been moving to the left

she's openly moving to the right and doesnt' seem to think it's hurting her

[senz]

46. She's been mouthing many of Bernie's positions.

[randome]

49. So why give up? Find something we can all get behind. The voters obviously are on Clinton's side.

Are they stupid or just not as eager for a revolution as some? Social media is only a tool, we need to hold rallies and protests with singular, definable, easily understood goals. We need to get in the faces of politicians, not shout at them on Twitter.
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[Cal33]

52. Maybe you are, but I'm not so sure that she has the numbers yet. I'm willing to wait and see.

[Jenny_92808]

83. No

I have seen the graphs where Bernie is moving up and Hillary is moving down.

And we are early in the process.

[Politicalboi]

103. Move her further to the left

She's already obligated to BIG CORP. She's going further right, and off the cliff. She won't have the support she needs. She's blown that a long time ago.

[pdsimdars]

45. Exactly the way I think too.

[artyteacher]

27. I agree with randome. eom

[Blue_In_AK]

116. I would hope that Hillary would win

in a Trump v. Hillary contest, but I don't have much faith. People are in the mood to shake things up by whatever means, even if that means electing the fascist bully. It CAN happen here.

[Frances]

5. I am a democrat

I think negative posts about Hillary and Bernie mean trump will be our next president and we will have fascism
Vote for whoever you want in the primary but vote democrat in the general
So many posts remind me of 2000
When dems were divided
If we had been more united there would have been no war in iraq

[Cal33]

17. Yes. I, too, will vote for Hillary, if Bernie should lose in the primaries.

[PatrynXX]

39. technically on the ideas page

she's closer to Facicsm than Bernie and he's left of center neither authoritarian or Libertarian. Hitler was just slightly to the Right of center. I took the political compass and I'm more like ghandi O_O

[pdsimdars]

47. "negative posts" have nothing to do with it

That is just a Clinton talking point to shift attention from all the nasty stuff she is responsible for.
All the candidates, Dem and GOP are vetted during the primaries. Hillary ALWAYS plays the "victim" card. "Oh, poor little me"

[Jenny_92808]

84. Well said!

[truedelphi]

112. As far as the war in Iraq, if Gore had been president they would have twisted

his arm and had him do it. Or else removed him from office, violently or through some trumped up scandal.

The "they" in that statement is the secret government that has been running everything all these many years. (Which is why the truth about the JFK assassination was kept from us for so very long - important that we not "get" how arranged things are.)

[DCBob]

6. Trump has worse numbers.

She will win in November with Hispanics and African Americans leading the way!

[Cal33]

18. Trump might still lose the Republican primaries.

[Cal33]

20. Don't forget, many powerful members of the RNC are against Trump. He might not

even be the Republican nominee. At this point, anything is possible.

[DCBob]

28. If the RNC pulls something to block Trump then I bet he will run third party.

Then we still win.

[Cal33]

54. I bet this is giving the Republican Establishment a good deal of trouble.

[DCBob]

56. No doubt.

I listen to RW radio time to time and I can tell the GOP establishment is freaking out and they will not go quietly. This will be very interesting to see how this plays out.

[OilemFirchen]

65. For all the bleating about Superdelegates...

I betcha the Republican Party now wishes they'd have gone that route.

[JimDandy]

58. I'm so relieved! She doesn't even need my vote then.

I can now do what I truly want to do with my own vote!

[DCBob]

62. If you are a Democrat she needs your vote.

Thank you.

[DCBob]

88. I think you have no idea what a Democrat is.

[JimDandy]

90. Associate with HER?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah.

We need to get the corruption OUT of politics! Bernie Sanders is our best chance of that. If Clinton somehow makes it to the GE, ALL of my energy will be used to get the corrupt individuals, third-wayers, DINOs, Repub-lites and corporatists, such as Clinton, out of the Dem Party and to restore it back to the progressive greatness it used to be. In addition, I will be working to primary every last one of those type of individuals at every level in my state. I am 55. Time is not on my side, so I may look at becoming part of an effort to formally organize a progressive political party, if changing the Dem Party looks like it may take too long. That's my plan. Now, back to phone banking for Bernie Sanders!!!

On to the convention!! GO BERNIE!!

[DCBob]

91. I think you are completely mistaken about her.

Hillary has been a dedicated trustworthy public servant for decades. I think your bias has affected your judgement of her.

[DCBob]

95. You have no idea.

I have lived in Illinois, Arkansas, Mississippi, Texas, Florida, Maryland and SE Asia. I actually never lived in DC proper.

BTW, Hillary Clinton is beloved by a vast majority of Democrats.

I think you are the one that needs to get out see what a real Democrat is.

[DCBob]

97. She will do fine with Independents.

Especially if matched up against the vile ignorant racist misogynist megalomaniac Trump.

[DCBob]

101. Try again yourself.

And please post what poll you are citing.

[JimDandy]

113. I think your bias has affected your judgment of her.

See how that works?

Clearly the polls show that the public's view of her, including mine is that she is untrustworthy, and for very good reason. The facts are irrefutable that she changes her positions to match her audience like she changes her accent to match her audience. She simply is an inauthentic person who has earned the name "Weathervane".

We will just have to agree to disagree.

[DCBob]

117. Your buddy just got canned.

[JimDandy]

120. Not sure what this is in reference to. If you mean the "name removed" poster on this thread,

that was not my buddy. Didn't see what they posted--was too busy phone banking for Bernie, but the Admin probably had a good reason. There is another one, in the other thread we both are in, that needs to be gone also.

[DCBob]

121. "Name removed".. above.

Probably not your actual "buddy" but he was certainly on your side.

[JimDandy]

122. Those type of posters are disruptors who are never on my side, nor on Bernie's side. n/t

[DCBob]

123. They certainly pretend to be... some are very good at it.

There are alot of them here lately.. its hard to tell the real from the fake sometimes.

[JimDandy]

124. We won't have to worry about them, if we all keep policing our own. n/t

[Nedsdag]

107. I know what I am doing with my vote.

And it doesn't involve voting for Hillary.

I will vote for the down ticket instead.

Besides, I am in a blue state. There is no way she'll lose here.

[JimDandy]

114. I'm expecting to use my vote on Sanders! All of his states are coming up soon

and I expect him to have a good chance of winning at the convention. Been phone banking for him today in Oklahoma. It's a tie in that state right now.

Blue-stater here too and Bernie is ahead in my state right now.

[Barack_America]

7. As long as she and the establishment get the nomination.

Yes, they really are that short-sighted.

[Mufaddal]

9. I also think that if Hillary gets the nomination, dems can kiss the presidency goodbye

However, that's on the condition that she is running against Trump. It's possible she might well lose to a number of other GOP candidates, but I think against Trump she is toast.

Of course, her partisans (and here I mean the people who live in a self-constructed bubble and cannot acknowledge how much of the country feels about her--for justified and unjustified reasons) will later find a way to blame anyone but her and themselves for that loss, but that's human nature I suppose.

[rbrnmw]

70. That why Mitch McConnell said Rep Senator were free to run attack ads against Trump

He came as close to endorsing her as he could. They hate Trump

[Agnosticsherbet]

10. Got to love the stain of two decades of Republican shit slinging, right?

Fuck Republicans.

[Cal33]

21. Right. And the 90% Republican-owned news media can take much credit for keeping the

American people ignorant and misinformed.

I've written a post here at DU about a month or so ago about the importance for
Democrats getting more news media of their own to spread truth and re-educate the
people, but there was not one single reply.

As things now stand, Democrats have zero means of fighting back against the
Republicans as far as accurate news information for the American people is
concerned. What a field day for the Republicans!!! They can, and do get away with
anything and everything!!! Many Democrats are apparently willing to accept this
situation.

[Agnosticsherbet]

29. Republicans invested a huge effort of time and money to create a conservative media

beginning with the Reagan administration.

Small, and often local, independent Internet News sources are probably the wave of he future.

[pdsimdars]

50. Thanks to Clinton deregulation

they were able to corner the media market.
Another gift from the clintons.

[Agnosticsherbet]

73. No, thanks to Reagan deregulation. Reagan made an issue of "Liberal media"

Republicans began by getting rid of the fairness doctrine and then the big money folk built the foundation of Republican/Conservative media, and it was already in place when Bill Clinton was elected.

[Cal33]

75. I bet Sanders will try to bring back the Fairness Doctrine. Somebody should. So much

of what Reagan had done turned out to be a disaster for us. The same thing with Bush, Jr.

The only thing Reagan was good at was delivering speeches -- written by somebody else.
It was, at least, something. What was Bush, Jr. good at?

[Agnosticsherbet]

76. Bush Jr was a genius at finding people to get him what he wanted.

And he could sell a trailer load of bullshit about as well and anyone I've ever seen.

I would like to see the fairness doctrine return.

[PeaceNikki]

11. America loves women like Hillary Clinton–as long as they’re not asking for a promotion

It’s hard to remember these days, but just a few years ago, everybody loved Hillary Rodham Clinton. When she stepped down as US secretary of state in January 2013 after four years in office, her approval rating stood at what the Wall Street Journal described as an “eye-popping” 69%. That made her not only the most popular politician in the country, but the second-most popular secretary of state since 1948.

The 2012 “Texts from Hillary” meme, which featured a sunglasses-clad Clinton scrolling through her Blackberry aboard a military flight to Libya, had given rise to a flood of think pieces hailing her “badass cool.” The Washington Post wanted president Barack Obama to give vice president Joe Biden the boot and replace him with Clinton. Taking stock of Clinton’s approval ratings, Nate Silver noted in a 2012 piece for the New York Times that she currently held “remarkably high numbers for a politician in an era when many public officials are distrusted or disliked.”

How times have changed. “The FBI And 67 Percent of Americans Distrust Hillary Clinton,” booms a recent headline in the Huffington Post. Clinton’s favorability ratings currently hover around 40.8%. Bob Woodward complains that “there is something unrelaxed about the way she is communicating.” “Hillary’s personality repels me,” Walker Bragman writes in Salon.

How can we reconcile the “unlikable” Democratic presidential candidate of today with the adored politician of recent history? It’s simple: Public opinion of Clinton has followed a fixed pattern throughout her career. Her public approval plummets whenever she applies for a new position. Then it soars when she gets the job. The wild difference between the way we talk about Clinton when she campaigns and the way we talk about her when she’s in office can’t be explained as ordinary political mud-slinging. Rather, the predictable swings of public opinion reveal Americans’ continued prejudice against women caught in the act of asking for power.

This is a great piece. Much more at link: http://qz.com/624346/america-loves-women-like-hillary-clinton-as-long-as-theyre-not-asking-for-a-promotion/

That's what I think.

[Cal33]

30. Perhaps time played a role in the sense that it took some time for the public to get

to know her better. There are numerous stories which give us a glimpse of her character. Her
connections with Wall Street are well known. There is another example that I am repeating
here below:

Clinton had played a major role in what happened recently in Lybia. With reference to Ghadaffi,
she reportedly gleefully said: "We came, we saw, he died!"

With reference to having a woman as POTUS, I very much feel it depends on the woman. If
Elizabeth Warren were running instead of Bernie, I would be 100% for her. Her continuing fight
against Wall Street greed is well known. I also can't ever imagine Elizabeth saying what Hillary
did concerning Ghadaffi. Can you?

[senz]

31. Bernie supporters would have gone 100% for Elizabeth Warren.

I would have LOVED it if Elizabeth had run. She would be a shoo-in for Democrats. We wouldn't be having this battle for the soul of the Party.

As a woman, I assure you that Hillary's problems have nothing to do with gender. So please, don't insult women by saying they do.

[libdem4life]

51. Yep...it's no Victim Card Pass.

[Herman4747]

131. Trouble is, with her 41% approval rating, there is a

DAMN DECENT CHANCE SHE WON'T GET THE NEW JOB!
The country wants a president with integrity, and Hillary's nose is about as long as Mitt Romney's.
Of course, the country did in fact reject Mitt Romney.

[frustrated_lefty]

12. Reality

Hillary as the nominee will stimulate republican turnout and depress democratic turnout. Independents are less likely to support her now than in 2008.

Nominating Hillary requires abandoning all of ones principles only to commit political suicide. Sheer stupidity.

[Cal33]

32. I agree.

[stevenleser]

16. Nope, polls show Trump only pulling 16% of Latinos vs Hillary. Less than 40% is fatal.

And that is unlikely to change. Trump himself has seen to that.

[Zambero]

86. That is Trump's Achilles heel

Self-imposed I might add. And he will make no further inroads with Afro- and Asian-American voters either, who voted solidly Democratic in the past two presidential elections.

[libdem4life]

19. Other than the New York Senate carpet bagging, with obvious help from somewhere,

she has only been appointed. FLOTUS by marriage and SOS by Obama. Her only national campaign she lost.

And no, I don't have a link on NY, but she rushed into town, and before you know it she was elected. That's not normal politics. Reminds me of how GWB suddenly appeared at the front of the pack...almost overnight.

She is not a winner as it relates to getting elected on her own. She does not have Bill's charm. She is smart, good at policy, dedicated, determined and lots of other good things...which is why I have her name second in my sig line.

She would probably make a good SCOTUS as unfavorable ratings don't matter and it is an appointment. I think, if Bernie won, he might appoint her, but I see no way to the White House for Hillary.

[grossproffit]

22. Uh huh, fascinating.

[djean111]

23. Agree with this 100%.

[Cal33]

36. I agree with your views.

[senz]

37. Bernie would never appoint a corporatist to the Supreme Court.

Hillary would make a terrible SCOTUS. Her decisions would favor Wall Street over Main Street, corporate America over the people. Horrible.

Bernie will appoint someone who values the 99% over the 1%.

[libdem4life]

55. You do have a point. But I have a feeling that what some of us believe that Obama made her

SOS to get her out of town and his hair, that Bernie would do the same. SCOTUS just came to mind, but The Clinton machine and the new version of PUMAs would do anything to make his first term a miserable experience. Maybe Ambassador to one of those ME countries she sold out to?

[senz]

57. I see what you're saying

but I have a feeling that a second presidential loss might do it for Hillary. Obama knew she would go after him throughout his first term if he didn't keep her busy and ego-fed.

But Bernie really does think of the people first.

[libdem4life]

63. My most fervent hope is that she embraces the role of abuela. Two granchildren, strollers in the

park, babysitting, feeding and bouncing them...but somehow I don't see that happening.

[senz]

67. True. Her ego, power lust, and gargantuan sense of entitlement

do present a problem.

Further, I don't think she really "wanted" to be a senator or SOS for the jobs themselves. I think she saw them solely as stepping stones to the presidency.

Hmm. Why the presidency? There are so many fulfilling roles in this world. Why that one?

[libdem4life]

71. Probably so. The other thought I have is one word...Ego.

She has coveted the Presidency, I'd guess, in Arkansas and saw Bill...no matter his frequent indiscretions...as her ticket in. And for we women of that era, that was about all we had...to get a hand up from a man...so I don't fault her for that.

Somewhere that seems to have turned into obsession and she can see nothing else. OTOH, that is what it takes to aim that high. So where to from a personal loss of that magnitude, if it in fact happens, I doubt there is much that she could feel fulfilled in.

And, frankly, I think it's a shame because she is tremendously talented and smart and capable, albeit opportunistic. She just doesn't have the temperament for POTUS, IMO.

[senz]

72. I think we pretty much see eye to eye on this.

There's this thing called npd and I've wondered if that might be it. However, there is another thing called therapy that could help. I believe everyone owes it to themselves to clear out the inner hangups as much as possible.

I see not only a problem in temperament but also in character and ideology. So the thought of this person wielding great power is frightening for me.

[Cal33]

74. One reason could be that politics is the only profession she has ever had as an adult.

It has been her whole life. It's the only thing she knows.

[senz]

87. No. She is a lawyer & worked for years at the Rose Law Firm in Little Rock.

Oddly, there is barely a mention of her career at the Rose Law Firm in her flattering, rhapsodic, unctuous, overblown Wikipedia page -- and I don't know why that should be. Normally lawyers are proud of their law experience.

The Rose Law Firm's Wikipedia entry describes it as:

Rose Law Firm is headquartered in Little Rock, Arkansas. It is the third oldest law firm in the United States[3] and the oldest west of the Mississippi River.[4][5] It is also the oldest company of any kind in Arkansas.[4]

and goes on to say,

In the economic realm, Rose has been termed "the ultimate establishment law firm"[6] in the state and "the legal arm of the powerful".[7] During the 1970s, for example, its clients included Tyson Foods, Wal-Mart, large brokerage Stephens Inc., Worthen Bank, and the Arkansas Democrat and other Hussman family media holdings.[6] Hillary Rodham Clinton became the firm's first female associate,[6] and soon its first female partner,[8] during her husband Bill Clinton's tenure as Arkansas Attorney General and Governor of Arkansas. Webster Hubbell, Vince Foster, and William H. Kennedy, III were also partners, before becoming Assistant Attorney General, Deputy White House Counsel, and Associate White House Counsel in the Clinton administration, respectively.[9]

Rose Law Firm entered the national news during the 1990s as part of the Whitewater controversy, as investigators sought to determine how much work Clinton had done for the firm while representing Jim McDougal in cases involving the latter's Madison Guaranty and Castle Grande enterprises.[10]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Law_Firm

[Deadshot]

33. I'm a Sanders supporter and I don't trust her.

[brush]

34. And you're assuming they trust Trump?

He wants to deport 11 million people and build a wall to keep them out, he wants to ban all Muslims, he's got KKK supporters showing up at rallies, he's the epitome of the 1% and he's trusted more than Hillary?

Give us a break. He's not winning the GE.

[senz]

43. Republicans hate Hill. FDR Dems and Indpendents don't like her.

A Hillary candidacy would rouse Republicans and alienate FDR Dems and Independents.

We will have a Republican president if Hill snags the nomination.

[brush]

60. We'll have to agree to disagree

Don't let your bias towards Clinton cloud you judgment.

Dems outnumber the repugs and will turn out to defeat the anti-immigrant and racist one-percenter Trump.

[Cal33]

44. Nope. I'm not assuming that they trust Trump. The RNC is against him. And among those who

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are voting for him, quite a few do so because they are sick and tired of the Republican Establishment,
and they are expressing their rebellion against their Establishment through showing their support
for Trump.

[brush]

59. Still not enough to beat the Dem candidate

[Cal33]

77. I sure hope not!

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. Something might

not that the DNC will learn the lesson either, and that brush revolt in the Democratic base is far from over as well.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511352649

[Cal33]

69. Thanks for the post. It's highly interesting one. It offers a lot to, as you said, "chew on."

[BlueMTexpat]

42. HRC supporters ARE realistic.

They are also working on the ground (phone-banking, canvassing, etc.) to help ensure her victory in the primaries and will work equally as hard - if not more - in the GE.

I am sure that many Bernie supporters are doing the same.

The online world on sites such as DU is less reality than it is the reflection of many people (at least 6:1 ratio) who seem to have little else to do other than to disparage HRC and her supporters. Most of us in the real world like both candidates, prefer one to the other in the primaries, but will support the person who wins the most delegates in the GE.

It is those of us who are actually living and working in the real world who will make the difference in BOTH the primaries and the GE.

The kinds of stories you refer to are all either GOPer TPs or related to them. Most who live in the real world (and who don't simply pay attention once every four years) know that, have seen the same TPs used against Hillary before, and aren't buying into them at all in 2016.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

79. sixth global mass-extinction event is happening now

Climate change must be faced now.

Do you believe these two things?

[Cal33]

115. Yes. The rest of the educated people in this world believe it, too. The only

exceptions are our Republican Party people. Reason? They can make more
money with the way things are at the present time. Doing something about
the climate change would cause them to have smaller profits.

Are they willing to gamble their lives on this? It sure looks like they are!

[SoLeftIAmRight]

125. not sure the majority of Hillary supporters understand what changes we must make

...

[HassleCat]

53. Probably not

It's looking more and more like Trump will be the Republican nominee. He will give her fits by running left of her on some issues and to her right on others but he will confuse many voters about himself, where he stands, etc. Even if they don't like Clinton, they will hold their noses and vote for her. She will be in trouble only if there is a third party candidate to her left.

[6chars]

64. Trust isn't everything

If she is running against Trump, a majority of people will (ought to) be scared of him. Besides, what does it mean to not trust Hillary. Does it mean people don't trust her to run the country reasonably well or that they just don't trust her to do exactly what she says. I mean, at least I trust her to not start a war with Mexico.

[RBInMaine]

68. You can't win the GE with no Black and Hispanic support. TRUMP is DONE!

[onenote]

78. I'm casting my vote for Bernie in VA through early voting but will support Clinton

if she's the nominee.

As for the idea that Trump will defeat Clinton, if that's the case why are repub office holders all but shitting their pants at the idea of Trump as the nominee?

[Cal33]

93. Trump is his own man and doesn't give a damn about what the Republican Estalishment people

(also known as Corporate Power people) want. He doesn't need their money. He's got
more than enough of his own. The Repub. Estab. people are afraid that he might split
up the Republican Party. Many Republicans are also sick and tired of their Establishment
people, and are showing their rebellion by supporting Trump.

Trump isn't a Republican. Trump is for Trump -- and nobody else. And the possibility
of his success does cause the Republican Establishment to, as you say, all but shit in
their pants....

[Jitter65]

80. As long as people like the Sanders supporters keep pushing that meme she will lose. GOP gets lots

help from many posters here.

[Zambero]

85. Both Trump and Hillary have high poll negatives

There is a certain degree of equalization going on. Between the two, Trump has pissed off far more people, indeed entire demographics, with his baseless comments and off-handed insults. And as far as honesty goes, he lies through his teeth every time he opens his mouth. Not to underestimate Trump who is a master at projection, evading tough questions, and changing the subject on a dime, but head-to-head, I still give Hillary the electability advantage.

[kristopher]

92. Where Hillary takes us...

[Dem2]

98. Let's be realistic here

Either Democrat has the odds stacked against them historically speaking (voters tend to switch party in WH after 8 years).

If we're talking about not liked, Trump has what? 59% unfavorable rating, doesn't mean he won't win.

[BreakfastClub]

104. LOL, this is ridiculous. nt

[0rganism]

111. i'd give her even odds or better in the general against Trump

against Cruz and Rubio it would be a lot tougher, but Trump has completely alienated the Hispanic vote, which has been key in the general lately. she may be seen as an untrustworthy liar, but i think most politicians are ultimately regarded as such. Trump will hammer on her character, but he's got his own set of negatives; after a while, people won't trust him either.

[DrDan]

118. BS supporters need to be more realistic - she is more popular than him

[anotherproletariat]

119. I agree that trust is her biggest issue. But she has a way better chance in the GE than Bernie.

Again, I really like everything Bernie says. I know he is not a socialist in the way that scares people...but most people don't know that. The right will bill him as an agnostic/Jew who is anti-capitalism and pro-pot. The most devastating thing is using the clips of him saying he will raise taxes. The reason he is polling well against Trump now is because there has been NO negative advertising against him. It would be really hard to see this attack.

As for the trust thing. It is all perception. The only reason that people see her as untrustworthy is because of the constant barrage of right-wing talking points. When actually examined, none of the accusations are true. Hopefully this is something that the campaign will delve into...or at least have surrogates touch on, so it doesn't seem too defensive. I can't wait until Trump brings up Benghazi in the first debate.

[beachbumbob]

126. Hillary will win in November hands down....

Don't let your bias cloud your judgement..

[chillfactor]

127. sorry but Hilary can hold her own....

against any of the weak rethug candidates...and she would win the election.

[GoneFishin]

129. She can't win the GE. But they don't care. Her policies are closer to Trumps than Bernie's. So as

long as Bernie doesn't get into the WH they don't care.

The choice is either Bernie or Trump.

[redstateblues]

135. Bullshit- Hillary was the 10th most liberal senator in Congress

That old Republican lite smear is a lie that you Berinstas keep peddling. Hillary beats Trump hands down-there are plenty of Repubs that won't vote for Trump

[GoneFishin]

136. A million dead Iraqi civilians will be very re-assured to know that you consider her "liberal". What

a pile of shit. She's a neocon.

[redstateblues]

130. all this confidence about Bernie in the GE?

He can't even win the Democratic nomination. I don't get it. FYI- Trumps favorables are lower

[drray23]

134. A sanders supporter telling us to be realistic ?

Thats ironic given that Bernie's campaign is based upon anything but realism.