The Harsh Realities Hillary Supporters Are Going To Face

[JustAMaverick]

Tonight and SC belong to Hillary. I will briefly explain why.

South Carolina. has a very high proportion of the population that lives in poverty. Those in poverty are those least likely to have access to social media. Those with little access to social media are going to get the majority of their information from the television. To anybody alive today and not brainwashed in America, we all know the television is the domain of corporate propaganda and their total support of Hillary. South Carolina does not have poor information voters, it has socially programmed voters deceived to vote against their own interests. That is the SC you are taking such pride in winning. Sheep to the slaughter without the information needed to save themselves.

Now the harsh reality. Bernie is no longer behind in the polls. In numerous polls Bernie is now the national front runner. The next harsh reality: Bernie supporters consider Hillary an enemy of the people and a tool of the corporations. They will not vote for Hillary in the main if she manages some miracle of making it out of the primaries. No, you will split the party. You dangerously deceive yourselves if you believe that a significant portion of Bernie supporters will not abandon the democratic party to it's rightful doom.

If you want to save the country and the democratic party you only have on option. Drop the shill and feel the Bern. Yes I am biased but that does not make my argument any less true.

Peace and Power to the People.

[MisterP]

1. but she's blowing him out by 7 points!

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[JustAMaverick]

31. When 2 months ago on the same poll he was down 25....and Reuters

just came out with a poll showing Bernie ahead...I would hardly be bragging.

[ultragreen]

70. Sorry, Voters in the General Election favor Bernie over Hillary

Hillary Clinton's favorability ratings are tanking (53.6% unfavorable, 40.0% favorable):

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating


While Bernie Sander's favorability ratings continue to increase (38.3% unfavorable, 49.0% favorable):

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/bernie-sanders-favorable-rating


Conclusion: Hillary Clinton is less electable than Bernie Sanders. The Democratic establishment is supporting another loser.

Note: The results are averaged across all polls.

[MisterP]

71. exactly (I was sarcastically imitating the flacks who gleefully reported for months that

"she's blowing him out by 40 points!" "it's a 35-point lead!" "a 30-point clincher!" and so on

given the SC exit polls the head-to-heads are Sanders's strongest point: she's behind Trump, he's not

[asuhornets]

2. yea right..n/t

[OilemFirchen]

3. Golly.

You're sure a breath of fresh air.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

4. It will not be as easy for her

Watch this space....

[LexVegas]

5. ....

[FarPoint]

6. I expected her to sweep SC with 95% of the votes...

She only has 89%....Harsh reality indeed....

[grossproffit]

9. It was so close.

[Starry Messenger]

13. So true, we need to up our game.

[Number23]

72. Oh my GOD, this place is so much freaking fun today!

[Starry Messenger]

74. We just dipped below a 50% spread.

Time to drop out, I guess.

[JackRiddler]

65. SC: 74%-26%, to be accurate, and 39-14 in delegates

Clinton now 26 up in pledged delegates with 46 states still to vote (or caucus, ugh). Let the people vote, then count your chickens.

[Codeine]

7. Enemy of the people!

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[bettyellen]

92. LOL. Love this.

[NurseJackie]

8. Well ... I've thought about that, and here's what I think ...

[CorkySt.Clair]

10. Reads like sour grapes

[JustAMaverick]

17. South Carolina, one of the poorest, least educated, bigoted, home of jim crow and rabid right wing..

Rednecks...I would be offended if Bernie won.

[CorkySt.Clair]

18. Wah wah wah

Sour grapes, yo.

[nolabear]

21. It's the African American vote that won it for the most part. So rethink that one.

You insult a lot of people by your own bigotry.

[JustAMaverick]

28. I refer to people in poverty without access to social media

you label me a bigot. Ignorant or Evil...either way I think it best to ignore you.

[brer cat]

88. So you decide who to vote for based on social media.

Do you find facebook or twitter to be the more authoritative media? I really need to know so that I can do some community service work today. I will go look for poor people and offer to let them use my computer in order to know who to vote for tomorrow.

Thanks

[notadmblnd]

53. Stop accusing anyone who does not support Hillary of being a bigot.

You insult a lot of people with your bigotry.

[Lizzie Poppet]

84. Which, in the GE, will count for precisely nothing.

No way in hell SC goes blue in this one.

[DrDan]

45. bernie who??

[NastyRiffraff]

83. Well, congratulations, then

You should be ecstatic that Bernie lost by almost 50.

[beachbumbob]

11. Hillary will win New York...Illinois...Texas..California....easily...

Just saying there are no more 90% white states Left for Bernie...

[JustAMaverick]

19. You need to keep checking those polls

They are changing by the hour....and not to Hillary's advantage. Losing ground everywhere everyday.

[FloridaBlues]

30. That's why she's ahead by double digits in most primary states

I think the Bernie campaign better start Looking at the writing on the wall.
HRC captured ALL age groups young and older in this blow out tonight

[PADemD]

46. NY Times SC Exit Poll: 17-29 years old Sanders: 63 Clinton: 37

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511356615

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/02/27/us/elections/south-carolina-democrat-poll.html

[brer cat]

89. So I guess that shows us how Bernie won so handily.

I hope he does an equally good job getting out the young folks vote in all the remaining states.

[PADemD]

90. We're working on it!

I have 15 pages to call today.

[k8conant]

55. You're ignoring Wild Wonderful West Virginia:

I am part of:

West Virginia For Bernie Sanders
February 25 at 2:11pm ·
BREAKING NEWS: NEW POLLING OF WEST VIRGINIA VOTERS CONFIRMS THAT BERNIE SANDERS LEADS HILLARY CLINTON IN WEST VIRGINIA.
According to a new poll conducted of West Virginia voters by Orion Strategies, Bernie Sanders leads Hillary Clinton in West Virginia by eight points – 32% to 24% with 44% undecided.
The poll was conducted on Sunday and Monday of this week among 306 likely West Virginia voters with a 5.6% margin of error and a 95% confidence rate. All 55 West Virginia counties were called, with results collected from 53 counties.
Read the poll here: http://www.orion-strategies.com/…/orion-poll-release-022520…
Earlier this week, a poll conducted by REPASS Research for MetroNews West Virginia had Bernie Sanders leading Hillary Clinton by nearly two-to-one, 57 percent to 29 percent. The survey was conducted between February 11-16, before the South Carolina Republican primary and the Nevada Democratic caucus.
The MetroNews West Virginia Poll is a result of interviews with 411 registered likely voters in the state using landline phone, cell phone and opt-in internet panels. It has a margin of error of +/- 4.9 percent. The non-partisan West Virginia Poll has been conducted periodically since 1980.
We'll keep you up to date as new polling comes through. What do you think? Does West Virginia ‪#‎FeelTheBern‬? Are you voting for Bernie Sanders in the Democratic Primary on Tuesday May 10th?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. When you cut through the highfalutin language

When you cut through the highfalutin language you are suggesting that everybody who disagrees with you is either wrong, ignorant, or brainwashed:

Sheep to the slaughter without the information needed to save themselves.

and then you make this demonstrably false and patently absurd claim:

Now the harsh reality. Bernie is no longer behind in the polls. In numerous polls Bernie is now the national front runner

in light of these facts:


http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary


http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/national-primary-polls/democratic/

"Physician, heal thyself."

[JustAMaverick]

15. You have been sleeping. Yes the majority of polls show an ever diminshing lead still....

http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-makes-huge-national-gains-in-reuters-poll/

The worm has turned. It just takes a few days for everyone to get the news.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. Bookmark this post

Here is the most recent Reuters Poll:


http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/TR131/filters/LIKELY_PRIMARY15:1,PARTY_ID_:1/dates/20160101-20160226/type/smallest


Bookmark this post for posterity.


I have a better chance of pulling a parlay by beating Steph Curry in a game of Horse and defeating Wladimir Klitshko for the heavyweight champion of the world on the same night than Bernie Sanders has of being the Democratic presidential nominee in 2016.


#lol@me

[Lucinda]

39. That is the bogus poll where you can set your own values.

It's been debunked a few times now.

[Historic NY]

67. He's not a Hillary supporter...

besides if your focusing on the general election polls you violate the first rule of polls.

[Lucinda]

69. Quite true. And this one is especially worthless

Whoever made it and posted it sure got some mileage out of it though! I've seen several articles reference those numbers. I guess research is a lost art these days...

[Historic NY]

80. The same language has been used in twitter posts.

by Sanders supporters, impoverished, slave mentality, etc. its almost like they relish it.

[Lucinda]

82. There is an unfortunate elitist mentality in some corners of our party

that can pop out when the rest of us don't quite see things their way.

I have two post grad degrees, yet have been called "uneducated" for not agreeing with a supposed peer.
I learned a long time ago that there is a lot of wisdom to be found in every walk of life. And it is the height of arrogance to think that you know the needs of a group better than they know it themselves.

I am hoping that the wiser portion of Bernie's supporters will prevail in the long run. I miss DU, and I hate to see that kind of ugliness spread here and elsewhere.

[ultragreen]

75. Here's the Mother of All Polls (It doesn't support Hillary)

Results at the National Level

Hillary Clinton's Favorability Rating = 40%, Hillary Clinton's Unfavorability Rating = 53.6%

And Hillary's trend lines are going down, down, down:

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating


Bernie Sanders Favorability Rating = 49.3%, Bernie Sander's Unfavorability Rating = 38.3%

And Bernie's trend lines keep going up:

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/bernie-sanders-favorable-rating

Conclusion: Establishment Democrats are backing another candidate who is going to lose in the National Elections. Say hello to President Trump!

Note: These averaged results from all national polls.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

86. If you believe the poll you cited is dispositive.

If you believe the poll you cited is dispositive there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion. Since I have neither the time nor inclination to disabuse you of that notion I will just be content to let you labor under that illusion.

[silvershadow]

14. She won't exit the stage until you has her pound of flesh. nt

[rbrnmw]

16. ...

[JustAMaverick]

24. If I am incorrect in assessing you are African American I apologize...

for my massive sense of irony. There are many good, well documented articles, papers, books written about exactly the extent of the damage, pain, and hurt that Hillary and her Husband Bill have caused the African American community over the last 3 decades. I won't waste my time listing them here...they are easy to find and absolutely irrefutable in their damnation. Yet you proudly support the woman who you should rightfully despise. Sad really. To be so sure and prideful in your ignorance.

[Dem2]

33. holy ****

no irony?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. It isn't just conservatives who see the world through a crude racial prism.

[sammythecat]

50. What is a "crude racial prism"?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

52. They see the world through the lens of white superiority./nt

[Dem2]

51. How can a person post something like that?

It is wrong in SO many ways, it's overwhelming - I don't know where to start.

[Tarc]

20. "least likely to have access to social media" is the harsh reality for Sanders supporters, really

As his base is almost exclusively millennial twitterers who speak to each other in an echo chamber of very little substance. We see this phenomenon play out on the DU daily; pro-Clinton threads based on facts and reason top out at a modest 50-60 upvotes, while the "Sanders is the coolest!" one-liner threads hit the +200s.

[JustAMaverick]

25. The young still think and are not caught up in a lifetime of political dogma.

The young are the future...and by young i mean the vast majority of those under 35, man or woman, black or white, gay or straight...who prefer Sanders and his vision for the future.

[randome]

38. Then why didn't they vote for him in SC?

I would think the younger set would prefer someone of their own generation. Of course we have two 'elders' running against one another so what do I know?
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[kjones]

60. "A lifetime of political dogma..."

You mean Bernie, right?

[MaggieD]

23. Or, many people just don't agree with Bernie

For many, many, valid reasons. Which is much more likely than your scenario that essentially we're all just stupid.

[JustAMaverick]

27. If you don't realize that there is only one issue....saving our democracy and our lives...

From the corporations. You are lost in the woods and to those of us trying to save our very democracy, yes you do indeed appear to be quite stupid. The game is for your life...and you worry about...what exactly?

[MaggieD]

34. So overwrought

Capitalism needs a correction every 50 years or so. Doesn't mean we need to throw it out and adopt socialism. And by the end of the primary season I think most people are going to demonstrate that they agree with that statement.

[forjusticethunders]

43. capitalism needs to be bailed out every 50 years more like

America would have gone either Nazi or Bolshevik if not for FDR essentially breaking all the rules of capitalism.

[amborin]

57. no one is talking about throwing out capitalism or adopting socialism; read some basic history

or some articles from the social sciences so that you can learn that every nation has its own capitalism; there is no generalized capitalism; the capitalism we have now in the U.S. is radically skewed in favor of the tiny elite; wages for workers are stagnant whereas CEO pay is now 380 times average worker salary. What Bernie proposes is regulations and legislation to curtail this radical imbalance of power between labor and management. We have a Wall Street elite that has staggering power and wealth that they amassed by means of their grip on politicians through campaign funding and donations. Other advanced capitalist nations don't have our frightful inequality; we need President Bernie Sanders to get us started on the path to reclaiming our democracy and un-doing the massive damage that the elite has wrought.

[MaggieD]

58. When you call it a 'revolution' that is what people think

Period.

[JonLeibowitz]

79. Evidently some have chosen not to think.

Everytime Sanders talks of a revolution he is talking about increasing voter turnout and increasing the power of people in Washington, over the power of money.

Some do not want to listen. As is their right.

[kristopher]

85. You have incredible power to be able to speak for all humanity in that way.

When you call it a 'revolution' that is what people think...Period.

Don't you actually mean that you and a small self-selected like minded social set have that opinion]/i]?

A few words from a Clinton camp boogyman:

Cornel West's Race Matters
— Malik Miah 1994

<snip>

Nihilistic Threat to Black Survival

West, the former director of Afro-American Studies at Princeton University (he's joining Harvard's Department of Afro-American Studies and Divinity School this fall), considers himself a Christian and socialist. Not surprisingly, he sees the problem of Black survival in moral and political-economic terms. Unlike most socialists, he does not point his finger at capitalism as the primary source of the problem. Nor does he endorse Black nationalism or the revolutionary vision of Malcolm X as the answer. Instead, he says the main problem facing Black survival in the 1990s is nihilism.

It is not common for Black intellectuals to explain the problem of the Black community in such terms. I think it is one reason why West's book became so popular in wider intellectual circles. Self-worth, or Black pride, is an important issue. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King, Jr., talked about it in their time. It is a necessary ingredient to include in the political discussion to determine what to do next.

What Does West Say?

In the chapter, “Nihilism in Black America,” West observes
“The liberal/conservative discussion conceals the most basic issue now facing Black America: the nihilistic threat to its very existence. This threat is not simply a matter of relative economic deprivation and political powerlessness -- though economic well-being and political clout are requisites for meaningful Black progress. It is primarily a question of speaking to the profound sense of psychological depression, personal worthlessness, and social despair so widespread in Black America.” (12-13)

“Nihilism,” he continues, “is to be understood here not as a philosophic doctrine ... it is, far more, the lived experience of coping with a life of horrifying meaningless, hopelessness, and (most important) lovelessness.” (14)

“Nihilism is not new in Black America. . . . In fact,” West explains,”the major enemy of Black survival in America has been and is neither oppression nor exploitation but rather the nihilistic Threat -- that is, loss of hope and absence of meaning...

Other sections of the essay are:

Liberalism and Conservatism

Crisis of Leadership

Not the “Talented Tenth”


https://www.solidarity-us.org/node/3079

[Cal33]

48. Many prefer not to believe what you are saying. It's not without reason that

Third-Wayers are sometimes called Republican-lites. Don't take them too
seriously. And a hearty Welcome to DU !!

[Logical]

59. LOL, I always are entertained by your posts. nt

[MoonRiver]

26. Have a good day today, and pass it on...

[SidDithers]

29. Welcome to DU...nt

Sid

[gwheezie]

32. Is it possible not enough people like Bernie?

I'm going to assume if Bernie is the nominee that more democrats voted for him than voted for HRC. You however are going to blame it on stupid southerners if he loses. Maybe he should only campaign in blue States ya know where the smart folks live.
Just a week or so ago, the Bernie supporters were talking about a 50 state strategery for the GE but now the South is too stupid to have primaries? This is kinda illogical.

[MaggieD]

35. +1

[riversedge]

42. Well, Bernie is hoping to pick up delegates in the states with less minorites--

like Mass, Minnesota, CO.

[Number23]

73. Question of the Day, Wheezie.

[George II]

37. Are you serious? Is that poll serious?

How can he be ahead in the national poll when he's trailing by 15-20 or more in most of the big states? It's mathematically impossible.

[Lucinda]

40. He's linking to the bogus Reuters poll numbers

that have been debunked several times. The one where you can set your own values.

[George II]

41. I don't know how someone could be ahead in the "national poll" who is behind in 40+ states.....

....there must be one humongous state hiding out somewhere out there in the Southwest - Roswell perhaps?

[Lucinda]

44. He isn't. That was a poll that someone tweaked to show Bernie ahead, and the "news" picked it up

without verifying it.

[grossproffit]

47. This made me laugh.

[jwirr]

49. I was trying to think of a way to say that if they really care

about the SCOTUS, America and people then Hillary and company would do just that. Thank you for saying that.

[leveymg]

54. SC is a solid GOP state and will go Rep again in the GE. Who is surprised its her kind of place?

Hillary will lose in SC and across the south by the same margin she won the primaries. These primaries in GOP states are just a massive exercise in suppressing the Democratic vote.

[beltanefauve]

91. True

[Onlooker]

56. The harsh reality is that the victims of oppression seems to support Hillary more than Bernie n/t

[Trust Buster]

61. What a condescending OP. Does this poster really think that this sort of nonsense helps Bernie?

[mgmaggiemg]

62. you don't have many posts there bud...

losers make threats....enjoy the string of losses coming your way

[retrowire]

63. i actually agree with this. nt

[humbled_opinion]

64. I think you are on the right track

but it is really rather simple.... When Trump releases her Goldman transcripts, he got from a good friend print reporter who was at the event, during the GE of course the DNC will demand that we forgive, forget and defend her yucking it up with the wall street fatcats... and that is something that millions of us simply will not do.... knowing that we have this one chance to create a real change dynamic that gets thrown out the window because people are either, uninformed or ill informed, or cynical, anyway you slice it and I really want a Hill supporter to defend her goldman speeches

[RBInMaine]

66. Keep dreaming. Nice guy, but a self-declared socialist is mincemeat in the GE.

[Beowulf]

78. What is Hillary's path to victory in the General Election?

Even if she can unite the party, which seems a pretty big IF given how the left and millennials feel about her, where does she get the 20-25% of the non-Democratic vote she'll need to be successful at the national level? Picking off any GOP voters is not going to happen for her. Independents, she's got her work cut out for her. Her strength in the primary becomes problematic in the general: voters already know her well. How does she attract new voters when she's been in the national spotlight for 25 years? People have already formed their opinions of her. She will need to change a significant portion of the electorate's hearts and minds.

The task seems even more daunting looking at the electoral map. The southern states she wins in the primary will not be voting for her in the general. She's going to need to win a majority of swing states: Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania, Iowa, Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico, Wisconsin, Virginia, North Carolina. I don't see Missouri or Indiana being in play for her. I wonder how safe Michigan is. Some of these states have Republican governors and secretaries of state, plus voter ID laws. To win in those state we have to overwhelm the polls. It seems to me her best chance is if this a third party or even fourth party candidates in the field, splitting the GOP vote.

Another concern: Bill never showed much in the way of coattails. For as popular as he was, he didn't seem to be able to carry down ticket candidates along with him. The Senate is certainly ripe for the picking, lots of vulnerable GOPers. Does having Hillary on the ticket help, hurt, or make no difference to the chances of Democratic challengers to Republican incumbents? I live in Pennsylvania. I think it will be a tough fight for Hillary to win the state, certainly possible, but not a given. We also have one of the most vulnerable of GOP incumbent senators running for reelection: Pat Toomey.

Even though I am a Bernie supporter, I'm not writing this to argue for Bernie. I'm asking a question I hope anyone who doesn't want the next president to be a Republican: If Hillary is the nominee, how does she win in the GE?

[Chico Man]

68. An enemy of the people? seriously?

"Bernie supporters consider Hillary an enemy of the people and a tool of the corporations."

Well, those supporters who feel that way really have been drinking some kind of horrible kool-aid.

I absolutely guarantee you Bernie would never consider Hillary an "enemy of the people". Next you'll be calling her a terrorist.

Wake up.

[giftedgirl77]

76. Do you have any evidence to substantiate these assertion's?

[Glorfindel]

77. " abandon the democratic party to it's rightful doom"? Rightful doom?

The Democratic Party is rightfully doomed? What a nice thing to say on a Democratic website. Oh, and by the way, "it's" is a contraction for "it is." The proper use of the possessive pronoun is "its." Thank you for sharing your opinion with us. I, for one, feel greatly comforted that you believe we are rightfully doomed. I wonder what you think about the Repukes? I suppose they're rightfully triumphant in your considered estimation.

[Drunken Irishman]

81. What are these numerous polls that show Bernie in the lead?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html#polls

I count one.

[Umbral18]

87. It's been obvious for years, the people that run the Democratic Party want to rule from the center

They don't care about liberals, sure they'll take their votes and money, with a wink and a nudge. The corporations they server want the country ruled from the center - nice and stable like. They don't care if you're disaffected, they don't care about your issues. They don't even care if you take your vote else where, there are a huge number of people in the mushy amorphous middle that are willing to support stability over progress. Sure they're sell-outs, and why not? The rich, especially in this country, can do what ever they want and get away with it.

Liberals will always be the battered spouse in the Democratic Party.