Sore winner Hillary Clinton lied to the American people about Bernie Sanders

[Eric J in MN]

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...in her victory speech by falsely portraying him as a "single issue" candidate who only wants to break up Big Banks.

Over the past year, Hillary Clinton has done multiple debates with Bernie Sanders, and given speeches at multiple state Democratic party fundraisers in which Bernie Sanders also gave speeches.

She knows that Bernie Sanders cares deeply about:
- free healthcare
- free tuition
- climate change
- campaign finance reform
- expanding Social Security
- reducing the number of people in prison
- paid Family and Medical Leave

Hillary Clinton said in her victory speech that we need "more love and kindness in our hearts and more respect," but she doesn't have the decency to refrain from lying about Bernie Sanders to the American people.

[yourpaljoey]

1. Rotten to the core

[stonecutter357]

158. sorry your man lost last night.

[Ferd Berfel]

217. SHe Lies and Triangulates. IT's what she does.

And to her minions, It just doesn't matter. Only winning matters - at any cost.

If Hillary is the Nom. She looses and we have a republicans in the WH.



The most depressing discovery about the brain, ever
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/the-most-depressing-discovery-about-the-brain-ever/#.VtMdRZtVt0c.facebook

[Duval]

220. And so that's why some vote against their own best interests.

Dang, that is depressing. So, no matter what I have told my son (Republican) it goes in one ear and out the other in terms of critical thinking.

[Ferd Berfel]

223. I guess you can't use facts - you have to make your appeal

to the lizard brain

[Broward]

2. She's insufferable. Bernie's been way too soft on her.

[redstateblues]

9. She has been too easy on Bernie

[Broward]

13. If by easy, you mean not lying about Bernie all the time

rather than just some of the time then yeah, she's been easy.

[DUbeornot2be]

105. The woman...

...has to breathe every once in awhile...

[The Wielding Truth]

137. And when she breathes shouldn't it be a truthful breath?

When she could not confirm Barack as a Christian when she attended prayer breakfasts with him, she lost me last time she ran.

I can not forget that she sided with the B* mind bending trick to send us into Iraq. Why can't she just be open to the reality that if we don't make big changes we will reach a point of no return. She is not as smart as President Obama and I can only hope that her game is not to placate us and then woo the right wing and the wealthy.

She has done it before.

Bernie is honest and he can see where this country has been heading. Without a major correction we will crown King Trump and be subjects to his will.

Why are we so afraid to stop the stupid greedy and self centered?

[pdsimdars]

151. Too good!

you actually made me laugh out loud.

[downeastdaniel]

175. Yep, just as I was thinking...

[BreakfastClub]

25. I agree. She could have torn him apart by now. nt

[polly7]

33. How so? nt.

[pangaia]

47. By telling even more lies, and making even more distortions.

[polly7]

55. True, that.

[Jitter65]

130. Stay above it HRC supporters. Just keep on voting and working and contributing. nt

[bvf]

147. Yes, don't sink to the level of your candidate. n/t

[Art_from_Ark]

148. It's way too late for that

[bvf]

174. Oh, I know.

I just found the naïveté of the post so charming that I couldn't resist.

[pdsimdars]

153. but then

all the lies she would have to tell to do that would take herself down. All she has done so far is to misrepresent and lie about Bernie, even when they are shown to be lies she still tells them. . .. and has her daughter do it too.

[roguevalley]

108. I want to hear her love letters to Wall Street, aka speeches. Nothing like

gushing like a regional manager to make you think she gives a shit about poor people. Not.

[Vattel]

3. She is very comfortable with lying.

[dchill]

50. Practice makes perfect.

[notadmblnd]

4. Oh God, now the banks are victims of Sanders?

I just can't believe how far some people will take this.

[elmac]

36. We must protect the banks, the billionaires, the 1%!

who else will trickle on us, make us grow???

[notadmblnd]

37. I'm old enough

I can now trickle on my self. No help needed from the 1%.

[yuiyoshida]

122. Those poor, poor banks!

Bernie is such a bully... how can a bank do any serious business with that Bernie BRUTE threatening their very livelihood!!! Bernie!!! Leave those poor banks alone!!!!!!!!!

[cascadiance]

161. Yes, Bernie is such a bully!

[yuiyoshida]

228. God! YOU READ MY MIND!!!

[Lucinda]

5. Every issue for Bernie comes back to money. Thats is what she is talking about.

And money isnt the solution for everything.

[loyalsister]

15. Tell that to someone working 3 jobs and can't afford health insurance

nt

[Karma13612]

27. bingo!

I wish we could see how much people earn, and compare to who they support on the democratic side.

People who don't feel concerned about Hillary being our president might just fit into that category of making over $50 K per year.

If you make less than that, or are scraping by with large debt from school, etc, I cannot believe you are thrilled to have Hillary as our President.

But that's just me.

I haven't cracked 50K per year, I sweat all expenses, and am 4 years from retirement.

A Hillary presidency is scaring the crap out of me.

[LibDemAlways]

62. I make a princely $115 a day as a substitute

teacher, and I work only a few days a month because my first priority is tending to my 93-year-old mother. I took reduced Social Security when I turned 62 last year because I was barely scraping by and getting pretty desperate.

Hillary is not interested in people like me, nor does she have the faintest clue what it's like to incur late charges on a bill because it came due one day before the SS check out of which it would be paid arrived.

Bernie is the only candidate who understands the everyday struggles of the ordinary person and is willing to fight for change that will benefit the 99%. He's certainly by far our best hope this time around.

[Karma13612]

74. I hear you completely.

As others have been saying, those supporting our corporate candidate are either not hurting, or just don't realize what she stands for.

[Plucketeer]

192. OR...

are primarily focused on their candidate's gender as a reason the DESERVE to serve.

[Karma13612]

199. i know. it is soo frustrating! eom

[lostnfound]

185. Not all of us.

We can't be "America" without a strong, large middle class.

And there are plenty of low income people who support Hillary.

How many Hillary supporters have read Naomi Klein or listen to Democracy Now or read much of Noam Chomsky?

There are times when I picture the middle and bottom rungs of American society as being dead or nearly dead, and the 0.5% intend to keep feeding off the decaying carcass. It's not a very pretty picture but the politicians argue about whether to keep the body on life support or to go for the kill.

Hell, I COULD have been a libertarian if I hadn't witnessed 36 years of unrestrained lethal greed. The ship has sailed on that one, starting with the "Free Trade Agreements".

[Karma13612]

198. +10 eom

[Eric J in MN]

19. Climate change, free healthcare, and campaign finance reform

...do all involve money. But they're three issues. Almost every political issue involves money.

[Karma13612]

29. thats because money is at the heart of nearly

everything in this country.

Our social safety nets are in jeopardy, and we have to pay for healthcare.

As the old saying goes:

"Money talks, nobody walks".

In this country, the only way you even get on radar is if you can 'carry your own weight'.
If you aren't an especially intelligent person, or maybe disabled, you will struggle in a very money-centric society.

In other European countries or in Great Britain, at least you know your healthcare is covered even if you are unemployed. And people are more apt to pick jobs and careers they want instead of the one that will pay them the most, and also provide them healthcare coverage.

For a huge portion of the 99%, enuf money to survive is a solution.
It might not bring happiness, but it will reduce stress.

[JBoy]

40. No, that's not what she's talking about.

You can reduce everything to money if you want to. The human body has a value, either in salvageable functioning organs or raw chemicals.

Hillary is trying to paint Bernie as a "single issue" income-redistributor. It's bullshit, Hillary knows it, and any thinking progressive knows it.

[Lucinda]

45. Sit objectively in front of your computer and watch any debate, or town hall.

More often than not, every question he answers, seems to come back to the evils big money.

He may be branching out now that the criticism has been made, so the last debate may be different, but it is what has been happening.

[PADemD]

181. You need to listen to Bernie more carefully.

He talks about climate change, a woman's reproductive choice, reforming the criminal justice system, student debt, fixing our crumbling infrastructure, homelessness and childhood poverty in the richest country in the world, and opposition to our disastrous trade deals (NAFTA, CAFTA, and the TPP), among other things.

Most important, I like that Bernie voted against the Iraq war. He's not a war monger.

Yes, Bernie talks about offshoring of jobs, corporations paying zero taxes, and the 1% hiding their money in the Cayman Islands. What's wrong with that?

It's time to take care of our own country and stop meddling in other countries' (Latin America & Middle East) affairs for our "interests."

[mdbl]

188. Maybe Bernie's foreign affairs positions will rub off on Hillary

like all the domestic positions have.

[dimple]

51. Money is freedom (n/t)

[JoeyT]

65. Anyone that thinks money isn't the solution for everything has never been hungry

and isn't worried in the slightest about being hungry in the future. For people that don't have it? Money *IS* everything.

[Karma13612]

75. Thank you. Eom

[laundry_queen]

231. +a million. nt

[Voice for Peace]

68. Which issues don't have inequality at their core?

Are the opressors in this just for fun?

[Lucinda]

102. Bernie just had a huge loss with AA voters for not listening to them

when they told him money wasn't the answer to all their problems.
Money is only a part of the issue in dealing with systemic racism in this country.

[cascadiance]

165. So.... MLK also dismissed those who wanted to fight for economic equality too?

Need to study your history a bit. It was when he was working on both inequality and civil rights that he spiritually believed in both that the PTB felt even more threatened in their dominance over us and when he coincidentally was taken out then sadly for all of us.

Bernie's trying to fight that fight, but apparently some feel that we should ignore economic disparity as a solution just because those in power feel that we shouldn't tackle the inequality which is at the root of civil rights and so many other problems in our country.

They like socially dividing us, because they know that's the way they keep their power that could unite to change things...

Especially for all of those many AA people in prison now for non-violent drug crimes disproportionately that Bernie IS listening to, but Hillary's campaign IS NOT when she accepts funding from prison industrial complex lobbyists.

I could go on, but the point is, if you are going to try and say he's not listening to AA voters, listen yourself to those like Killer Mike who understands like MLK did, that this is all of our battle, and need to work with someone that really means for us to have changes, and not just be pandered to.

[noiretextatique]

204. Utter nonsense

Clinton has a huge, undesrved advantage with Black voters because her supposed black husband and his hood pass. Sanders has the most complex and comphrensive racial justice plank. I was impressed wgen I read it, and not much impresses me. Bernie needs not only to get his message out, but he also has to overcome the disinformation from the Clinton camp and its surrogates. They have been working to distort from the beginning.

[Arazi]

247. No, they said they don't know him

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511344164#top

"Who is Bernie Sanders?...I don't have time to do any research"

[Jitter65]

131. Bernie is really talking about the income gap for white males in the high middle income bracket.

He really is working hard for only them and they know it. That is where most of his support comes from plus hating Hillary.

[6chars]

138. link?

[blackspade]

183. Bullshit

[noiretextatique]

205. This is so ridiculous, you should be ashamed for posting it

Really...not even worthy of a response.

[cs1058]

251. You are right

You are absolutely correct.

The guy in the off the rack suits, self funding via individual contributions, refusing PAC money who has to defend the label of democratic socialist who wants free college tuition is SECRETLY working behind the scenes for white males in the high middle income bracket. The guy pushing for a $15 minimum wage.

Yes, all the above is so he can be a clandestine advocate for those high middle income white males.

[FangedNoumenom]

142. "And money isnt the solution for everything."

Aka "Fuck you, I got mine!"

[AllyCat]

156. That sounds a little like the cliche I here from another group of voters

"You can't just throw money at the problem and expect it to go away". Usually, that type of voter is talking about giving money to schools and other public entities. Here is a Democrat saying we can't pay people a fair wage and expect to solve our problems.

[giftedgirl77]

166. Shhhhh, let them have their pity party. At least they kept the racist

bullshit out of it this time. After all it's not like facts matter to a certain group.

[Armstead]

180. Tell that to Goldman snd her other Big $$$$$$$$$ Backers

[lostnfound]

186. Go see "Where to Invade Next"

Why are the luxuries portrayed in that movie unavailable to the American people?

[geardaddy]

227. +1

Amazing movie.

[noiretextatique]

203. "It's the economy, stupid" Bill Clinton

Hillary supporters seem to live in an alternate universe where money is irrelevant to their lives. I don't live in that universe.

[rhett o rick]

234. How ironic when it appears that amassing a huge monetary wealth is very important to her.

The Clintons are in the top 1% of the top 1% and some think they really care about something other than wealth and power. Maybe they will let the peons have "cake".

[Lucinda]

238. If money was very important to either Clinton they would have cashed in after Bill left office

and headed for a beach somewhere. Or maybe dabbled in painting like Junior.

Instead we have The Clinton Global Initiative, Hillary working for the citizens of New York in the US Senate, and then her joining the administration as SOS. Like it or not, Hillary is a public servant down to her toes.

When she retired at State, she did what just about any one of us would have done, she took the opportunity to earn money speaking while there was still any interest in what she had to say. I have no idea what she intended to do before she was encouraged to run for POTUS again, but I suspect she had plans for the money she earned, beyond sitting around and eating bonbons.

[Politicalboi]

6. How can you stand watching her

All she does is lie. I will not give a shit what she does if she's the nominee. It's going to fun watching her melt.

[840high]

53. I'm waiting for that pleasure.

[Nyan]

117. I don't.

There are two politicians I can't stand watching or hearing for more than 5 seconds. And that's Hillary Clinton and Ted Cruz. I've had enough of her lying.

[msongs]

7. evidently some 70% of democratic voters in SC disagree with you. well there's always next week :-)

[Lizzie Poppet]

38. Yep: a deeply conservative state supports a conservative.

Shocking, huh?

[Karma13612]

78. You mean the republican-lite democrat? Yea, that was no surprise. Eom

[Petrushka]

167. Sorry . . . but only 12.5% of SC Democrats bothered to vote.

http://www.enr-scvotes.org/SC/59277/160643/en/summary.html

[jonestonesusa]

177. 12.5% turnout - that's a telling stat

Alienation from the political process at that level, despite the full court press by James Clyburn and others.

I hope the Clinton voters and surrogates make sure she follows through with access and policy support if she wins.

[Armstead]

8. She is bad for the political dialogue in this country

Sanders is trying to shine a light on the truth. She's doing her damnedest to obscure it.

[grasswire]

80. wait til that criminal referral letter comes from the FBI

Let's hope it is before the GE, not after.

[oasis]

10. Bernie should've stayed positive. Hiilary got annoyed by

way too many stunts by his campaign. Weaver and Tad Devine had better cool it.

[polly7]

26. Wtf should 'anyone' stay positive about a campaign and it's billionaire backing

whose sole goal has to make a movement by and for the people invisible from the start - then when it was finally noticed, chose to fucking lie about anything and everything they thought they could get away with? Do you think Sanders should be some kind of martyr? He knows suffering, he's fought against it and inequality all his life. He's never strayed off message and has more integrity and honesty in his little finger than Clinton and all her wealthy backers at a Goldman Sachs Christmas party do combined .

(I'd go for the jugular) - but as to 'going negative' Sanders has really NOT. He's brought forth history that voters have a right to know and talks about the issues that will decide they and their grandchildren's fates. Too bad, too sad if that's considered negative (and I imagine only by those comfortable with the status quo).

[MrMickeysMom]

39. I sincerely do not believe for one minute you could name ONE

You can get red in the face about DU comments, as we just love to give each other what for, however, it is baseless to name one stunt.

A real stunt is taking those blinders off.

[oasis]

42. I guess you think that little fiasco in Nevada with those

union impostors wasn't a stunt.

[MrMickeysMom]

49. I'm sure you'll post what you're talking about...

... that is, if you can actually find the incident. Reference?

Take the blinders off. Don't bait people to talk about Nevada stunts, or Iowa stunts where caucus goers were allowed in before declaring who they were committed to. You also don't want to talk about the stunts of stealing the actual positions on issues that Sanders has taken, which morph into issues that Clinton suddenly agrees.

[oasis]

58. Howzabout the tech snafu when Bernie fired a manager

for accidentally accessing Hillary's campaign data? You DO remember that, don't you?

C'mon now.

[liberal from boston]

127. Tech Snafu

Please-- Suggest you do not go there. Sanders Campaign was the one who notified DWS of the problem (BTW happened before & again Sanders campaign alerted DWS.) Debbie Wasserman Shultz immediately shut down access to files. Senator Sanders was able to get a Federal Judge that day for a hearing. What happened next -- DWS backed down & access was granted. In the debates Senator Sanders repeatedly asked for an independent thorough investigation. Hillary did say yes. Where are the results of that investigation--crickets??? Sad that Clinton campaign uses Karl Rove methods.

[oasis]

136. No one was fired then, right?

[MrMickeysMom]

194. So, you'd rather just shout back and forth, eh?

Still awaiting the source...

[oasis]

200. Post # 39 you asked for ONE example. I gave you TWO.

Now the goalpost gets moved further back. I'll take your non denial of the two as proof of my assertion, and move on.

Have a nice day

[MrMickeysMom]

206. You gave me nothing....

You have no source... goes along with credibility.

You are posting lies that are based on your favorite liars. That's got to be such a low bar for mentality... You sure you aren't stumping for the Trump? What an embarrassment.

[oasis]

208. My "source" is your memory.

[MrMickeysMom]

210. Your source, if you looked in the right place...

... has been where your head is.

I hope you've inspected it well!

[oasis]

212. During my inspection, I ran into Bernie's former tech manager.

He forgot why he was fired. Must be contagious.

[MrMickeysMom]

213. Since you insist on making no sense...

Why don't you form a committee and look into contagions...

Another stupid waste of time, so welcome to the ignore list I've long cared to remember.

May you find meaning there.

[jfern]

89. That was a fucking Brock lie

[oasis]

93. No it wasn't but, no matter now.

[MrMickeysMom]

195. Still nothing to back it up...

Just baiting...

I call it mentally masturbating, and I'm through talking to people who throw out unsubstantiated "drive-by" claims without basing it on any source.

Go back to 5th grade and learn citizenship when conversing to people in the Democratic party. You're embarrassing yourself.

[oasis]

202. I still have two more whole weeks in which to embarrass myself.

No source needed on that fact.

[dimple]

41. If anything, Sanders has been too nice. (n/t)

[oasis]

44. If that's so, he needs to get waaaaay nicer.

[jfern]

86. Agreed, he really needs to attack her for all her shitty positions

[INdemo]

52. WTF are you talking about .....see

That is the Karl Rove/Lee Atwater way ..Hillary/David Brock will ATTACK..ATTACK..ATTACK and then when the Sanders campaign answers back in a way to see set the record straight the the Clinton campaign will say on one of the corporate news networks ..Bernie Sanders attacked me or Bernie attacked my position on Wall Street. and they get away with it Cause its the Hillary networks
This is what the right wing advisers like David Brock and John Podesta do. David Brock actually went on CNN and lied about Bernie Sanders Healthcare plan and in the process of talking about Socialism he dropped the label Marxist/Communist and got away with with it...Even George Steponapolis (who by the way contributed a considerable amount to her PAC as well as personal contributions) must have read from the same script becasue he too labeled Bernie Sanders a Socialist (never a Democratic-Socialist) and also a Marxist-Communist...on "This Week"
George is so far in the Tank for Hillary on his show that when this campaign is over it's going to take a Huge Rescue Squad and Recitation team to get him out.
So yes WTF are you talking about....Weaver and Tad Devine have answered Hillary and the Right wing Attacks from her Karl Rove advisors and have never attacked her,except talk about issues. Hillary Clinton cannot talk about the issues cause she cant get ahead of Bernie Sanders on his stance on the The Too Big to fail Banks,or the Wage inequality,the Healthcare plan(which the Clinton campaign lies about,especially Bill) The Private prison issue,which Hillary wont talk about because the Prision network owns her, and the list goes on.
Sure he talks about Hillary's Wall St connection and should..And yes the list goes on and on.
So when you are talking about Attacks you need to look around and see the Karl Rove masters Daivid Brock,John Podesta,yes even Bill Clinton... and their Karl Rove right wing tactics at work.

[oasis]

64. I saw Cornell West on two shows on consecutive days promoting

The 20 year old, Super Predator "bring them to heel story". Nina Turner was on CNN last Thursday going all negative and nasty on Hillary.

Apparently, the degree of their negativity was a turnoff to SC voters.

[INdemo]

71. Obviously they dont remember the racist remarks Bill Clinton made in 2008

about SC voters

[oasis]

113. apparently no longer a big deal. Maybe never was.

[Petrushka]

169. Depends on what "was" was.

[polly7]

72. A history including bigoted, racist comments and supporting ugly laws that destroyed millions

of lives and led to the pipeline to profit-prison system has consequences. Welfare reform breaking up families forcing young women and men to work at low-paying jobs that kept them in crushing poverty - have people recovered from that yet?

What is she planning on DOING to correct these consequences - releasing people serving life sentences for an ounce of marijuana?, paying reparations to families hurt by any of this?

WHEN should someone's ugly history not matter anymore?

[malletgirl02]

76. Don't waste your time

The lives of the little people don't matter to Clinton supporters. Facts about the policies supported will not make inroads.

[polly7]

81. I wish those supporting her could try to be a bit honest themselves about how badly the Clintons'

policies have hurt people in the U.S. and all around the world - by the millions. Their 'histories' and the lack of concern for any of it by their supporters just fucking baffles me. They must be comfortable with the status quo - either that or they really don't give a shit about the little people/expendables anywhere.

[grasswire]

77. Hillary has banked on Sanders not going after her.

And when anyone else DOES bring up her scurrilous past, she screams "VICTIM"!!

Sickening

[Karma13612]

84. You got it! He's from the era where you show respect and she is

Tacking FULL advantage of it.

Bernie needs more surrogates.

[grasswire]

87. He also needs US to take it all to social media.

We must shake people from their misconceptions.

[Karma13612]

95. +10 eom

[Lucinda]

134. Choosing Cornell West as a surrogate was one of the biggest errors Sanders made

If he seriously wanted AA support, having a man who constantly denigrated a beloved president, was a boneheaded move of epic proportions. And the fact that Sanders didn't know it would be a problem, shows me how out of touch he is.

[jfern]

85. Stop projecting your candidate's gutter politics onto Bernie

[oasis]

114. Start explaining the colossal loss if you think it wasn't Bernie

Going negative.

[jfern]

121. That does not follow

[noiretextatique]

207. Lol...what about the stunts from her campaign?

Bernie is racist? Pure Clintonism.

[oasis]

209. Never heard any of Hillary's surrogates make that claim.

[PowerToThePeople]

11. It is what she is best at.

Hillary Clinton lied to the American people

[99th_Monkey]

12. Hillary's keeping her promises to Wall St. & Goldman Sachs.

trashing Berne for talking about Wall St./GS corruption & greed.

I guess those all "speaking fees" are paying off for the 1%.

[Barack_America]

16. +1.

[onecaliberal]

14. She's the one issue candidate.

Liar

[casperthegm]

17. but we should all embrace her if she is the nominee

and pretend none of this happened, right?

[SammyWinstonJack]

155. I won't. I refuse. Not supporting a LIAR! ! feel bad for Bernie,

having to run againt her. Smh

[mindem]

18. I am so sick of the Clintons I could puke.

[GoneFishin]

20. Once a person decides that ethics don't matter there are no limits on how low they will stoop.

[pacalo]

21. Integrity is my single issue, Hillary.

Bernie is about many issues. Hillary thinks there's only one issue -- the banks with a carte blanche relationship with the legislature, running amok at the expense of the most vulnerable -- because the banks happen to be a large part of Hillary's number one issue: protecting the 1%.

Integrity -- one candidate has it & the other doesn't.

[anotherproletariat]

22. For gods sake people...it's a competitive campaign. Saying he's a 1 issue candidate is going easy!

Step back for a minute and think about how you would approach a campaign. We know that only doing positive campaigning does not work with everyone. In some way you have to point out the weaknesses of your opponent. What would you have said if you were trying to beat Bernie? Clearly the Big Bank issue is one that people most associate with him, and since most people don't listen carefully (or much at all) to speeches, it was an easy, relatable thing to use.

[Eric J in MN]

30. A victory speech doesn't need negative lines about an opponent. NT

NT

[anotherproletariat]

123. How is this any different from Bernie insinuating that Hillary is hiding something...

devious in her speech transcripts during his speech? They are still competing with each other. If I was him I would keep using that same attack, because it is the best thing he has. Just as Hillary calling him a one issue candidate seems to work for her. Bernie has no proof, he is just floating it to see if it works, and she is using his main talking point against him. Seems like pretty tame politics to me.

[Eric J in MN]

216. If Hillary Clinton is embarrassed by something in her Wall St speech transcripts

...that wouldn't mean most of her campaign is meaningless. Maybe the fraction of her campaign about getting tough on Wall St.

If Bernie Sanders doesn't care about Single Payer health care, free tuition, increasing the number of jobs, etc. that would mean most of his campaign is meaningless.

[Martin Eden]

164. Saying he's a 1 issue candidate is LYING

No matter how you spin it.

[oldandhappy]

23. she has no reason to make these side swipes. shame.

[polly7]

24. That's nauseating, actually. She absolutely knows better. nt.

[BreakfastClub]

28. She could be calling him names and casting aspersions. She's been very kind to Bernie. I think

people have a tough time with a woman being direct and competing the way men do. Many think women should be nice, but let me tell you: Politics is not "nice," and Hillary does not have to be nice to her competition.

[polly7]

35. She's flat out lied about him and trotted out her own family to do the same.

How it that being kind??

[JonLeibowitz]

230. This is not about Hillary being a woman -- not everything is. Women can be liars too, as Hillary is.

[Trust Buster]

31. Hillary lied to the American people ?

Bernie's the one going from college campus to college campus raising the hopes of impressionable college students with visions of free tuition, a $15/hr national minimum wage and Medicare for all knowing that the republican-controlled House in the next presidency won't even allow these issues to be debated on the floor of the House. You know what they say about glass houses.

[retrowire]

48. all of which is possible soooo.... ? nt

[elljay]

66. And Hillary

Is raising the hopes of her followers that she will achieve her very modest agenda because she can get things done. The Republicans, who LOVE her almost as much as Satan will bend over backwards to not oppose everything she does, right? In your dreams. The only thing she will accomplish is to pass legislation that helps her Wall Street pals.

[grasswire]

101. There you go again....

NO WE CAN"T
NO WE CAN'T
NO WE CAN'T
NO WE CAN'T


(but every other first world country can)

See how crazy your side sounds?

[Herman4747]

182. You advocate for what you favor regardless of control of Congress...

...so when control of Congress and the Presidency shifts in your favor, you're in a notably better position to implement what you wish.
For example, when Obamacare passed early in Barack Obama's first term, it had been helped along by Democrats favoring expansion of the number of people with health care coverage since the early 1990s (or some might even say since the late 1940s). How would it have been like if out of the blue Democrats announced "let's increase the number of people covered?", after failing to push for it earlier? Would it not seem to some like 15% without health care coverage is not so consequential? Recall that Obamacare just barely passed, and this was helped by the fact that people thought high numbers of uninsured was an ongoing problem.

[All in it together]

193. Abraham Lincoln set up the tuition free land grant colleges and Bernie agrees

We should have an education system that has free tuition through state universities like we did 25 or 30 years ago. Reagan and his ideas changed that. Instead we have a system that puts college students into debt that can't be discharged in bankruptcy. Hillary likes this system, it helps her banker friends. So honest Abe doesn't agree with Hillary.

Hey if we give up without trying, the repubs can push the party even further right. Hillary is profiting off of that, see her and hubbies speeches to the too big to fail banks.

We should work to get those Repubs out of congress and Bernie in the Presidency to get anything done

[Iwillnevergiveup]

246. Nice first post

May I call you All?

WELCOME!

[rhett o rick]

235. Yep Sen Sanders is raising the hopes of the 99% to be able to have jobs, education, a safe

infrastructure, no wars, decent wages, while H. Clinton is promising higher and higher profits for Wall Street.

[silvershadow]

32. No way the two candidates are the same. I won't vote with a gun held to my head.

I cannot vote against my conscience. One candidate represents the TPP, Wall St, and the like. Why would I vote for my abusers? Wall St stole my house and $70k from me in an illegal and fraudulent scheme. I am NOT playing victim here. I *WAS a victim.

[sadoldgirl]

34. So now we have a dem, who is a compassionate conservative!

Halleluja!

[NCjack]

43. Big corporate money is the common factor in each of these issues listed in OP:

- free healthcare
- free tuition
- climate change
- campaign finance reform
- expanding Social Security
- reducing the number of people in prison

So, getting the money out of politics is not a single issue.

[retrowire]

46. liars lie. nt

[Deadshot]

54. She has no problem with lying.

She says she's a progressive. She's lying.
She says she has nothing to hide with her speeches to big banks. She's lying.
Her whole campaign is nothing but lies just to get elected.

[dchill]

56. Everybody ELSE needs "more love and kindness in our hearts and more respect,"

Not her and her campaign. That's what she means.

[Doctor_J]

57. She campaigned as a republican

Against liberals, liberalism, and the entire democratic party success of the last seventy years. She proudly admitted she won't even attempt to do anything about the problems we have.

[WayBeyondBlue]

59. If only you could see

my shocked face. She tries to tell the truth, honest! Said so herself!

[cantbeserious]

60. HRC Paymasters Expect No Less

List Of - Publicly Disclosed - HRC Speeches And Fees - $ 21,667,000 - A True One Percenter

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-27/snowden-sums-presidential-campaign-just-one-tweet

[arikara]

111. Less than 100 hrs of speechifying to rake in

$21,667,000...

She's such a money grubber I wonder why she wants to bother with the president job to begin with.

[cantbeserious]

112. Ego - Personal Aggrandizement - History - One Would Suspect

eom

[6chars]

139. the money is a means to an end.

it allows her to fight for you.

[mikehiggins]

140. Hey, we know none of those companies expected anything in return, right?

I mean just thinking the words "quid quo pro", or "bribe" or "corruption" is just men's secret code for saying they don't like HRC.

I agree with Sanders. These companies ain't that smart. They're just throwing their money around for the hell of it.

Riiiiiiggghhhhtttt....

[TheUndecider]

150. Holy Crap!

I thought we where talking 3 speeches for $650k.
You telling me not one person from one of those meetings has a recording!
Maybe Trump already holding them for a rainy day?

[Buns_of_Fire]

170. I STILL wonder what the American Camping Association gets out of it.

And they even paid more than many of the others! Will there be a Jellystone Campground in our future?

I can't imagine paying any of the Clintons $260,000 just to hear about their experiences in the Great Outdoors.

[cantbeserious]

171. Probably - Campground Protection - From Fracking

eom

[Buns_of_Fire]

173. "Nice little campground you got here. It'd be a shame if anything happened to it." nt

[CdnExtraNational]

201. Continuation of State Department J-1 visa program

So that campgrounds can continue hiring camp counselors from the Philippines for $2.77 an hour.

Maybe this was a thank you as much as a quid pro quo.

[Oilwellian]

245. Here's an OP about it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511329207

[Uncle Joe]

61. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Eric J in MN.

[SusanCalvin]

63. She said that in her acceptance speech?

I'm a Bernie supporter who has found some other Bernie supporters kinda tacky, but that's kinda tacky as well.

[Eric J in MN]

82. Hillary Clinton said that in her South Carolina victory speech tonight. NT

NT

[SusanCalvin]

88. Tacky. nt

[kath]

118. And she took swipes at Bernie during at least one other victory speech. really inappropriate and

Tacky.
But that's her, all the way.

[Zorro]

67. Awwww....

Poor butthurt Berniacs can't come to grips that their candidate was crushed in the SC primary, so they continue to find some slight in whatever Clinton says.

And their howling will be deafening three days from now.

[malletgirl02]

73. Keep on insulting Sanders supports

and see how that works out for Hillary Clinton in the general election if she wins the primary.

[malletgirl02]

94. I'm going to vote for Hillary

if she wins the primary, but I have to admit you are making very hard since you engaged in personal insults. I will vote for her, but I will not give any money or work for her.

[Contrary1]

97. Bullshit.

[yuiyoshida]

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[PatrynXX]

69. did she say that again?

good lord. hey I'm not a single issue voter if I was I'd be Republican all the way. She keeps pushing that smart people are gonna start thinking what else does she lie about

[zappaman]

79. I can help you get through it.

[democrank]

143. Thanks, zappaman

I recently lost my other half, a Vietnam Vet, so this chart is very helpful.

When I first read it, I thought you were making a joke about grief, but on second thought....that would be a deplorable thing to do.

[SwampG8r]

184. Yes deplorable

It would be hard to believe we have people here doing that

[jfern]

83. The Clintons are quite rich, but they have no class

[Lizzie Poppet]

92. "New money" would be the regional term, I believe.

[JDPriestly]

91. Hillary, herself, needs more love and kindness in her heart and more respect.

Her attacking Bernie for voting for the Commodities Futures Act which HER HUSBAND'S ADVISER AND HER OWN CAMPAIGN ECONOMIC ADVISER, GENSLER, placed into an omnibus budget bill that had to be passed at the last minute or close to it in 2000.

Hillary attacks Bernie and lies about what he stands for.

She has utterly lost my vote. I will vote for every other Democrat on my ballot but not for Hillary. I think she has a bad character. She herself is unfair and greedy. How can she tell others to be fair and generous and kind?

Doesn't make sense to me.

I'm 100% for Bernie.

If Hillary runs as the Democratic candidate, Democrats have no hope of winning in November. And that is a dangerous situation in my view.

[senseandsensibility]

100. Very unlikable

Female or not, HER words make it hard for a fellow female to support her.

[JDPriestly]

104. Yes!

[platitudipus]

132. +1

n/t

[ellennelle]

96. couldn't agree more

to me, this is all about character.

those who claim she is more "qualified" seem to overlook the fact that obama was no more qualified 8 years ago.

she's certainly qualified to keep us tacking hard to the right with the "middle" way.

i'll take bernie's character over her so-called "qualifications" every day of the week.

[WillyT]

98. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

[ericson00]

99. the landslide was beautiful! We need a "coronation," because only a person with

royal strength will be able to take on Donald Trump.

[nc4bo]

103. HRC:"You're asking me to say I have never, I don't believe I ever have. I don't believe I ever will"

L.I.E.

Yes Hillary Rodham Clinton, you are indeed a liar.

[PatrickforO]

106. Everyone in my house watching that speech caught that bullshit line, too.

Clinton is trying to completely co-opt Bernie to get her through the primary, after which as a CNN pundit said, she will do what they call 'pivot' to the right.

Just more bullshit. I'm with Bernie and will continue to support him until either he wins by votes, which he definitely still can, and/or until the criminal indictment we all know is brewing is issued for Clinton.

[Chicago1980]

109. SIGH...

It's this back and forth contentious crap that's really not needed.

[Beacool]

110. The only sore people that I've seen tonight are neither Hillary nor her supporters.

[Beowulf]

124. In a sense there really is only one issue that matters in this election.

Which candidate is more likely to try to break the stranglehold the oligarchy has on what actually gets done in Washington? No one's issues are going to be dealt with in any meaningful way until the 99% can set the agenda. Otherwise, it's a rigged game and and governing is merely theatre.

[antigop]

126. but some people actually benefit from the "rigged game". nt

[Beowulf]

128. Indeed, they do!

[antigop]

129. and they are perfectly fine with the status quo. nt

[Historic NY]

133. +1

[sister_rosa_refried]

197. What is it the young people say, dear?

Butt hurt? Is that it?

[malletgirl02]

221. The you muct be doing some selective reading. nt.

[oldandhappy]

115. so unnecessary

All of it is unnecessary -- the manipulations and side swipes and lies and massive control issues. The lies and negativity got to me about six weeks ago. Tonight just re-ignited my frustration with the Clinton clique.

[TryLogic]

116. She is a damn liar.

[Enthusiast]

119. Tell me you didn't expect honesty from Hillary?

You know how she is.

[Carlo Marx]

120. Hillary worship reminds me of the nauseating attention paid to the British royals.

Something Paul Krugman said during the 2012 Republican primaries also comes to mind. Since Krugman has shown himself to be such a whiny hack, and taken so many cheap shots at Sanders, I'll borrow a comment he made about Newt Gingrich. Hillary Clinton is "a stupid person's idea of what a smart person sounds like." To be clear, I fully acknowledge Hillary to be "wicked smart." It's her ideas and manner of persuasion, and worldview that I consider to be a joke. Gingrich also has a brain, but the crap he peddles is embarrassing.

[LovingA2andMI]

125. Yea...But It Doesn't Matter As The Chickens Are Coming Home To Roost...

In November for the Neo-Democratic DNC Version os DWS and the Clinton's Party.

[AzDar]

135. Bernie needs to start dropping some truth bombs on Camp Weathervane...

[FangedNoumenom]

141. Hearing her quote scripture made my skin crawl. n/t

[jillan]

145. Mine too. My reaction was - she is even more of a republican than I realized.

[Ligyron]

163. She did?

wow, gonna have to go find what it was she quoted.

Can't be that thing about rich people squeezing through the eye of a needle I'll bet.

[Petrushka]

179. Here's a link to a YouTube video of the speech. I haven't watched it yet.

But I'll do so after I post this reply.

[Petrushka]

189. She quoted from 1Corinthians 13 . . . didn't say which verse; but it was verse 7.

She said it was one of her favorites.

I wonder if she realizes verse 7 is only one part of a thought/sentence that begins with verse 4.



Oh, well . . .

[Ligyron]

190. Thank you both for your replies

I'll check out the vid

[FangedNoumenom]

224. Yep

1 Corinthians

[pdsimdars]

144. lies are all she has.

and integrity is what Bernie has.

[The Midway Rebel]

146. Liars gonna lie.

She learned from the best.

[Helen Borg]

149. THAT, and all the BS about small donations...

She said her campaign is now driven by small donations. Really?...

[Buns_of_Fire]

178. Maybe somebody finally lit a fire under Maddi.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/06/29/brother-can-you-spare-a-dollar-clinton-asking-for-1-donations-as-deadline-nears/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511194910

[FloridaBlues]

152. Sore loser get over it

[stonecutter357]

157. South Carolina just did not like him.

[deutsey]

159. She's the single-issue candidate

and the issue is all about herself.

[Skwmom]

162. You forgot a lot of stuff including FAIR rade, and cleaning up the corrupt political system.

But then again, those aren't too good for Hillary.

[Eric J in MN]

226. I mentioned 'campaign finance reform' which is part of fighting political corruption.

Of course there are other aspects, such as whether we should let officials accept gifts, let them become lobbyists, etc.

[Raster]

168. Bernie is somewhat of a single issue candidate...

...ECONOMIC EQUALITY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

[Vinca]

172. I really can't stand her.

And I don't think she can win the general unless Trump causes lots of Republicans to vote for her. That's appropriate, of course, since she was half a Republican until Bernie dragged her to the left.

[raouldukelives]

176. That is the only issue her handlers care about. So it makes sense. nt

[TBF]

187. K&R nt

[LeFleur1]

191. Reaching Again

Paranoid reigns in the Sanders camp. Hillary mentioned Bernie in a nice way. Never once did she say he was a single issue candidate. She said America is more than a single issue, and even those who hear every word she says as coming from the devil have to dig deep to come up with an insult to Bernie in her speech.

Advice to those Bernie supporters who take everything anyone, who isn't a supporter, says about Bernie as an insult: Take a deep breath and try to surround yourself with really calming music and maybe l i s t e n to the words. Try to understand the actual words, not a faulty interpretation of the words.

[malletgirl02]

222. You should give Hillary supporters the same advice. Nt.

[Eric J in MN]

229. Her words in her South Carolina victory speech

"America isn't a single issue country, my friends. We need more than a plan for the biggest banks."

Her words in her closing statement of the sixth debate: "I am not a single-issue candidate, and I do not believe we live in a single-issue country."

Her campaign created a YouTube video called "Single Issue" showing Bernie Sanders talking about Wall St and the rich:

I interpret Hillary Clinton as saying in her SC victory speech that Bernie Sander's only issue is breaking up the biggest banks.

[libdem4life]

196. The Oligarchy Dog Whistle. n/t

[Moostache]

211. Nit to pick about "free"

I believe that the Democratic Party, and Bernie Sanders' campaign. would be better served by being more accurate in describing the policy positions being proposed.

It's not "FREE" as in "those Democrats are trying to GIVE YOUR MONEY TO THOSE BROWN PEOPLE" or "those Democrats are trying to GIVE FREE STUFF to buy votes". Bernie Sanders proposes tax increases, and more importantly use of tax dollars to fund programs that actually HELP AMERICANS, ALL AMERICANS, by increasing access to healthcare and education INSTEAD of invasions, occupations, military strikes and enforcing EMPIRE USA overseas that helps a select elite of business owners and campaign funders and HURTS most Americans in the process.

IT IS NOT "FREE"...it is a rational way to use American tax dollars to help American citizens. It is the single greatest policy change/proposal of the last 36 years; and a return to the days of the New Deal and Great Society way of thinking, about caring for the population and needs in OUR COUNTRY, instead of meddling in the affairs of other countries exclusively to pay off campaign donors and sleazy corporate interests.

IT IS NOT "FREE"...it is looking at the way we are currently being ripped off by monied interests and facing the reality that it CAN BE DONE BETTER...ITS NOT TOO HARD....ITS NOT A UNICORN.

[Eric J in MN]

225. But when referring to it in a list, instead of "free tuiton," what is a better term? NT

NT

[Moostache]

249. Several options....

Tax-funded
Extended benefit

Publicly available

The point is not do much Frank Lutz style wordsmithing as it is to stop playing into GOP stereotypes and talking points. We need to stop playing defense and start insisting these plans are sound and better for us all.

[Eric J in MN]

255. I think 'free tuition' sounds more appealing than those terms.

A middle-class parent whose kids will go to college someday and who hears "tax-funded tuition" may expect a bigger burden even though it would give that family a lighter burden.

"Extended benefit tuition" and "publicly available tuition" are vague.

[Arugula Latte]

214. Sleazy Hillary strikes again.

[ReallyIAmAnOptimist]

215. The Dark Side speaks...

May The Force be with Bernie!

[AlbertCat]

218. more love and kindness in our hearts and more respect

That's why we should go to war with Iraq and support DOMA until it is just completely unsupportable in practical terms.

[polly7]

219. ........

[EdwardBernays]

232. I'm shocked and dismayed

Hillary Clinton lied?!!!?!?!!???!!!

That's gonna take me a minute to get my head around.

[OhZone]

233. Meh, he's pretty close to a single issue candidate. nt

[rhett o rick]

237. Yeah, his single issue is to help the American people against the corrupt culture of the Big Money

that Clinton represents.

Why would Democrats worship at the alter of Wealth? We have 50,000,000 Americans living in poverty and the Big Money doesn't care.

If you want this to continue vote for Clinton/Goldman-Sachs. If you want to reduce poverty, vote for Sanders.

[OhZone]

239. Yup. Thanks for proving my point!!!

rhett, it isn't all about money.

It's also about a very wide range of other things. Defense, privacy, security, diversity, health, drug safety, the supreme court, our rights and on and on.

And don't forget Team Clinton in the 90s raised taxes on the rich and balanced the budget and got a surplus! Furthermore Wall Street has been bad players at times, but they aren't 100% evil, and they're a part of the economy.

If all ya got, is that GOTCHA! That she made some money on speeches and took donations, that's getting old. You know, even Obama had a lot of donations from Wall Street. I think I read he took more than Hillary in 2008. And he got a lot of new regulations on Wall Street so quid pro quo it's not!

Have you ever thought, maybe some of the donations from people in the finance industry are because they think she might be good for the economy?

BAM!!

[rhett o rick]

240. Those in the finance industry have been making huge profits for 30 years at the expense

of the 99%. They have shared their enormous wealth with the Clintons that obviously think Wealth is everything.

Yeah she took some money from the Wealthy 1% to the tune 30,000,000 plus millions of dollars and they expect quid pro quo.

Tell the 50,000,000 American living in poverty that it's not about money.

And plezz don't drag out the crap about a raising economy raises all boat, because in the last 30 years that's been false.

The is a class war and the Clintons with their 150,000,000 AND GROWING wealth are not on the people's side.

[OhZone]

241. This is a class war, and a lot of the warriors -

are well off. Like FDR. Like Warren Buffet at times. Like the Clintons. Like George Soros.

Again, even Obama got lotsa Wall Street contributions.




BAM!

[rhett o rick]

242. What's your point? You aren't comparing H.Clinton with FDR are you? She amassed

her riches in the last 15 years most from corporations and billionaires that expect quid pro quo.

FDR was wealthy but fought for the People. Clinton is not for the People.

[TIME TO PANIC]

236. What a con.

The rest of the world thinks we're fools for being so easily manipulated.

[JustAMaverick]

243. Decency? What centrury are you from?

This is strictly about power and nothing but power. The machine will not let Bernie succeed under any circumstances. The fact he has gotten this far with the entire establishment, and all the money of wall street and the multi-nationals stacked against him. But the very system itself is designed to prevent anyone like him from succeeding.

Everyone should have been aware of this going in. The rot is too deep and the fascist state has already grown roots. The future has gotten considerably darker and more ominous as the machine has shown the power of social programming and how it can bend an entire race of people to vote enthusiastically against their own interests.

No...now it will have to be in the streets and it will be very ugly.

[Babel_17]

244. Horrible, and self defeating

Also describes the status of her campaign.

[rhett o rick]

248. While Sanders is gracious in defeat, Clinton is bitter in winning. Who would have thought.

I bet Sen Warren is reluctant to endorse Sanders because she knows that if Clinton won, she might not be nice.

[hifiguy]

250. It's what she does.

She's the most rotten and corrupt politician this country has seen since Richard Nixon. She wouldn't know the truth about anything even if it bit her on the ass.

Human sewage.

[cs1058]

252. How Can Black People Trust Hillary Clinton After the 2008 Campaign?-See Link

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-rucker/can-black-people-trust-hillary_b_9312004.html

Article addressing the irony of Hillary campaign's attacks on Obama in '08 and its racial overtones.

[Eric J in MN]

253. More evidence that Hillary Clinton knows Bernie Sanders cares about multiple issues.

Tweet tonight from a reporter who follows HRC campaign:

Jennifer Epstein Verified account
‏@jeneps

Clinton's only explicit mention of Donald Trump on the stump lately has been about not wanting to pay for his son to go to college

Hillary Clinton disagrees with Sanders' free tuition plan for state colleges in her stump speech, but portrays Sanders in her South Carolina victory speech as only wanting to break up the biggest banks.

[kstewart33]

254. I think I get it now. Bernie is the Saint. Hillary is the Satan.

I don't think I've ever met a perfect person, or a completely evil one. So I think I'll pass on this, and hope that these kind of attacks from both sides will stop.

[Eric J in MN]

256. If Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee then I will vote for her in the general election. NT

NT