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[wyldwolf]

1. Sorry bub. The base ain't the 'progressive' left.

[Herman4747]

7. You mean it's not The Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party?

That truly is a shame.

[wyldwolf]

9. It isn't the Henry Wallace / New Left / wing of the party

[Herman4747]

16. Henry Wallace? That's a long time ago.

I was thinking more about this guy (who came up with the phrase):

[wyldwolf]

20. as William Pitt said...

I hear a lot of stuff on DU about anti-war left-wing types being the base, and Democrats better not piss us off, or Democrats better court us, or Democrats already pissed us off, so screw you guys, I'm going home.

I hate to break it to you, but anti-war left-wing types are not the base of the Democratic party.

Union members are the base of the party, particularly in the northeast and Pacific northwest. Women are the base of the party, particularly in the northeast, far west, and portions of the midwest. African Americans are the base of the party all across the country.

Anti-war left-wing types are the single most unreliable voter group in America. Unless you are simon-pure, you are unworthy of support from that group. As no politician in 21st Century America (with a snowball's chance of winning a national election) is simon-pure, they are not likely to bust their asses to get anti-war left-wing support.

Anti-war left-wing support, by the way, is buried by the aforementioned real base. Yes, anti-war left-wing support can swing an election, but because of the aforementioned unreliability problem - anti-war left-wing voters will bolt at the first sign of impurity, even in a tight race (See: 2000) - it is too often a hopeless exercise to try and court that group with any real vigor. The real base outnumbers anti-war left-wing types 10-1. That's where the focus goes.

[Herman4747]

35. I see. So anti-war left types are, in your mind, not within what

you and a Mr. William Pitt call "the base of the Democratic Party"

BUT LYING, SELL-OUTS TO THE BANKSTERS ARE????

You're so very funny guy!

You may also want to ask your beloved Hillary what precisely she did to promote unionization at WalMart, where she was FOR SIX YEARS on the WalMart Board of Directors. Go on, ask her -- I DARE YOU.

Before asking, do check the TITLE and the VIDEO found here: Clinton Remained Silent As Wal-Mart Fought Unions

[Politicalboi]

47. Giving fodder to the GOP

How dare you expose the Queen. It's gonna be your fault if she loses. How will you sleep? We must NEVER bring truth about the Queen for fear it gives the GOP the "upper hand". I'm guessing once she's crowned the word liar and Hillary will get an alert.

[HoosierRadical]

31. No the shame is that

those SC voters don't that, they somehow believe Hillary is a progressive.

[datguy_6]

2. Yep...I'm not voting for her...

Jill Stein is looking mighty fine...

[Nye Bevan]

3. What percentage of nonwhites do you expect will vote for Trump over Hillary? (nt)

[HoosierRadical]

14. AAs and Latinos won't be enough

to carry her to victory.

[FangedNoumenom]

75. Especially not without the youth and independent vote. n/t

[jmowreader]

79. You mean, the youth vote that doesn't go to the polls.

SENIOR CITIZENS win elections for candidates. And given the choice between a candidate who has promised to strengthen Social Security and Medicare (Clinton), one who wants to roll Medicare into his healthcare plan (Sanders) or someone who wants to privatize the whole thing (Trump), which do you think they'll choose?

[desmiller]

4. Write-In vote For Sanders

[Nye Bevan]

23. That would be as productive as a vote for Nader in FL in 2000 (nt)

[desmiller]

36. So be it. I would not vote for a candidate who called me a super predator.

I was 15 or 16 when that speech was made.

[pkdu]

77. were you also in a gang , killing people ?

No?,,, then she wasnt calling you a superpredator

[desmiller]

80. That speech was racist to me. regardless, i won't vote for her.

write-in for bernie

[giftedgirl77]

5. ....

[DrDan]

6. HRC supporter here - my conscience is clear

[gwheezie]

8. Oh dear, the Bernie revolution needs to get going

You guys are letting him down. I'm listening to Bernie right now, he's asking for you guys to come out and vote for him. What happened in SC?

[HoosierRadical]

18. What happen in SC?

People voted against their own interests.

[desmiller]

30. ^^^This

[Number23]

69. But this is the opposite of those ridiculous "Bernie won an online poll!!!11" posts

Every single time someone tried to explain to people that winning an online poll was beyond useless, the response was always "well, why don't HILLARY voters vote in these useless polls??! HUH??!"

The same question can be asked here, but more logically. If all those people that voted for Clinton "voted against their interests" then where the principled, wise, voting FOR their interests people?? Why didn't they show up in numbers to give the guy a 50 point win? Why did apparently just the stupid people show up??

[Agnosticsherbet]

10. If she wins, we will do everything we can to stop the Republicans

I think a majority will prefer a liberal president instead of Trump.

[bkkyosemite]

12. She is not liberal

[Agnosticsherbet]

13. I keep hearing that, but it makes no real or historical sense.

But everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

[still_one]

37. When both Sander's and Clinton voted together over 90% of the time

I guess that pretty much ch says it

[GoneFishin]

11. She can't win a GE. All Republicans will vote against her, and half the Democrats will be too busy

trimming their nose hair to vote for her.

[CajunBlazer]

40. You're wrong.

But nice try.

[book_worm]

15. I know how upsetting it is to lose big--we went thru it in NH

But she will easily beat Donald Trump.

[HoosierRadical]

21. Easily beat Trump?

You really have no idea how much your candidate is despised and how stupid the American public is.

[book_worm]

33. Well, your candidate

better start showing that he can win key portions of the Democratic coalition if he is going to be the nominee. He can't just coast by with lily white voters and those under age 30 (of course HRC won both of these groups in SC).

[HoosierRadical]

54. Well I'm a 44 year old African American Woman

but unlike those people in SC, I actually research the issues, I have been a fan of Bernie since I was teenager and discovered that some mayor in whiter than white Vermont endorsed Jesse Jackson, who did Hillary support in '88? It wasn't Jesse.

[onenote]

61. can some explain how arguing that the electorate is stupid and votes against its interests

Strengthens the argument that Bernie will do better than Clinton would against a repub?

Having trouble with the logic of that argument.

[LexVegas]

17. Most Sanders supporters will follow his lead and get in line.nt

[HoosierRadical]

25. Yeah we will vote for the nominee, but,

the base is not enough to win, independents will not vote for her. With Bernie, we would have not only the base, but independents, new voters and even some republican voters.

[CajunBlazer]

62. What evidence do you have of that?

Let me try answering that for you - none - you have not one shred of evidence of that except your own opinion. Is this the last argument left?

Sure, some Bernie supporters may not support Hillary. Hopefully that will be very small percentage because not only is the White House at stake, but also the Senate, and path forward of the Supreme Court for the next 20 years.

Think about that. Not only will the next President appoint a replacement for Scalia, but could also appoint at least two other Justices. How can anyone with any progressive leanings possibably allow that to happen by not voting or voting third party. If true progressives can't get excited about that, then I imagine that Bernie Sanders will be very disappoint.

Then look at the other side. The almost inevitable Republican nominee is Donald Trump who has insulted nearly every voting group necessary to win the general election. How can he win the general election doing that. He can't, not when he is attracting no more than 45% of the GOP voters. But the way that the RNC has rigged the race, that's probably all he is going to need unless Cruz or Rubio drops out of the race soon and I don't see that happening.

I have heard some on DU talking about "holding their noses" to vote for Hillary. On the other hand I have spoken to several people who are solid conservatives and who have voted Republican in every election for at least 20 years who say they will a great deal of choosing Trump over Clinton so they might not even vote.

The reason - they are afraid that if "The Donald" wins the general election he could ruin the Republican Party for years to come. These are establishment Republicans who understand that if they don't change course in the face of changing demographics the GOP is in deep and serious. They feel that they cannot afford to lose control of their party to those are playing into the hands of the Democrats by insulting the minorities they need to win future elections.

So please, don't tell us that Hillary Clinton can't win the general election - let's not go there.

[HoosierRadical]

64. Evidence is the polling

all you have to do is GOOGLE.

[CajunBlazer]

67. I took your advice - and you are wrong

I just looked up the latest polls - Clinton vs. Trump - in the swing states of Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, Ohio Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Virginia. I suggest you do the same. RealClearPolitics.com is a good source.

Because reliably blue states have more electoral votes than reliably red states, the Democratic candidate need only win one or two of these swing states to win the election. The Republican candidate can only afford to lose 1 or 2 at the most.

I took only polls which were completed in January or February of this year and here are the results - Clinton is leading Trump in 4 of these states (3 by large margins) and Trump slightly ahead in 2). Now what was that about Hillary Clinton not being able to win the general election? I suggest you have your facts straight next time.

Colorado - no recent polls

Florida - Trump +2.5%

Ohio - Trump +2%

Iowa - Clinton +5%

Nevada - no recent polls

New Hampshire - Clinton +7.5%

Virginia - Clinton +17%

Wisconsin - No recent polls

Pennsylvania - No recent polls

North Carolina - 3 polls - Clinton +1

[HoosierRadical]

68. Ohio & Florida she is LOSING even with this

skewed data you managed to find. She will not win the GE, if Bernie doesn't get the nomination, the Democrats will lose and you Hillary supporters will be the blamed, but you don't care about that, you want to live in your fantasy world where everyone can't wait to put this corporate hack in the white house.

[highprincipleswork]

78. Who is winning by more? Who has people testifying all over the country who are Indie and Repub?

[sadoldgirl]

34. That is your hope, but I doubt it.

His policies are the inspiration for his supporters.

They like him a lot as well, but they are not sheep.

I think that many millennials and indies will just
stay home.

Obviously the establishment of the party is willing
to take that risk, but actually it does not care as
long as the status quo is preserved.

[Politicalboi]

49. Whatever

We won't fall in line. She's a loser and Trump will trounce her. Once he starts on her lies, he won't stop, and he has a lot to go through.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

60. So you really like Donald Trump

Thanks for coming clean. I mean if you didn't you wouldn't say shit like that. You'd do what you can to keep that guy out of the Whitehouse.

[FangedNoumenom]

76. "Most Sanders supporters will be brought to heel."

Disgusting.

[BreakfastClub]

19. Bullshit. nt

[beachbumbob]

22. Sour grapes again?...I find it pretty

Remarkable that so called progressives/liberals resort to such scare tactics...and do the old doom and gloom dance. I heard the same exact stuff in 2008 uttered by Hillary supporters when became apparent Obama was going to be our nominee...

[Adrahil]

26. Wait until Wednesday....

It's going to be unbearable around here.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

38. It's going to get worse?? I'd better get ready for more jury duty..... Lol!

[HoosierRadical]

39. No Hillary is the one with the scare tactics

with her "no we can't!" theme and the DNC rigging the primary for her.

[Adrahil]

43. So, how's it rigged? Looks like she will win pledge delegates if things keep going like this. NT

[Adrahil]

24. I think she CAN and WILL win.

Cut the self-pity and hair-pulling.

Support your candidate, and when he's done. Support OUR candidate.

I will do the same.

[That Guy 888]

70. Which was the disingenuous Clinton supporter pledge from the beginning.

You guys never believed anyone else had a chance and didn't realize how obvious you were about it. At least I hope you guys didn't realize that.

[Onlooker]

27. If Sanders can't beat Hillary in the primaries ...

... he certainly can't beat Trump in the general election.

Your point makes no sense.

[HoosierRadical]

42. You obviously don't know about the polls

that show Bernie beats any of the GOP candidates, while Hillary loses. Google is your friend, use it.

[mikehiggins]

82. Not exactly, Onlooker

No matter how many Democratic voters take part in the primaries, they are still a lesser part of the lesser number of US voters identify themselves as Democratic. Another third of the US voters are sadly willing to be loyal to the GOPukes, and the rest are included in the analysis as Independents or members of various really minority parties.

It is quite possible that a candidate who handily wins the Democratic nomination could go down in flames in the General Election, depending on turnout and attraction. It is inconceivable to most of us that Chump could even get the GOPuke nomination and win in November...

unless the Democratic candidate was hated by the GOPuke base and viewed as dishonest and untrustworthy by a good number of Independents, as unfair as that view might be.

What the Party needs is someone who can get Independed voters to enthusiastically support the Democratic Party while giving the sane GOPers the motivation to jump party lines. Otherwise you can expect President Trump making the next appointment to the Supreme Court.

[Nye Bevan]

28. Hillary will definitely lose to Trump

in the white male electorate. But that will be nowhere near enough for Trump to win.

[HoosierRadical]

57. Trump will also win with the white female vote

like the GOP usually does, it is only single white females who tend to vote Democratic, but the married ones are no different than their male counterparts. Not to mention the internalized oppression that many white women will project on to Hillary, she'd be lucky to hold the single white female vote.

[Dem2]

29. How dare the voters make a choice that I disagree with

When one is angry, posting is a bad idea.

[hobbit709]

32. How can I vote. I only have TWO hands. One to hold my nose, the other to carry a barf bag.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

46. No - one must carry the barf bag and plug your nose with the same hand.

I have lots of experience with this. Do it almost every election.

[WayBeyondBlue]

52. Then why not try something new

fly in the face of conventional wisdom, go with your feelings and write Bernie in? Hillary vs. Trump, either way we get a Republican.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

74. I do not believe that Hillary is a Republican. She is not as progressive as Bernie but she is ok.

As a woman in her 60's, I do think we need a female President. She will be good with the environment - which is my most important issue. It's not all bad. I actually would be happy this time around with both candidates - for really the first time ever. I will not need a barf bag....

[anotherproletariat]

41. I think either Democrat would have difficulty in the GE...but Hillary has a better chance

You just can't go by the current polls, because Bernie has faced no real negative campaigning. Hillary has been attacked for years, so all that they have against her is out there. Besides the things that the right would invent against Bernie (think swiftboating), they have socialism, religion, and clips of him supporting pot legalization and raising taxes. He is just way too far left for the general electorate. For gods sake, some of these people don't even want to let Muslims in the country, no way they wouldn't put up a huge fuss about Bernie.

[HoosierRadical]

45. The worst they can say about Bernie is

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that he is a socialist! Because those idiots have mislabeled President Obama as a socialist, socialism doesn't scare people like it once did, plus the younger voters don't view socialism as something negative.

The Clinton foundation has some questionable donations from foreign interests, that the GOP will have a field day with.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

51. I have to agree. Bernie has had an easy ride. The media hasn't bothered digging.

[Politicalboi]

53. Oh heaven forbid pot legalization

Another reason TO vote for Bernie. Hillary isn't progressive enough on this issue or any issue for that matter. And there's more baggage out there on the Queen. And if it doesn't come out soon we're all doomed. The GOP will tear her apart. I hope this will be the LAST Clinton we ever see running for office. I'm tired of the lying family.

[That Guy 888]

71. Lol, no, her unfavorables are too difficult to overcome

She might "win" the Democratic voters who say "you had us Clinton" but that name recognition doesn't do well beyond true believers.

[NurseJackie]

44. Ha!! :-D (You'll have to do better than that!) This is *OUR* night to celebrate!!

[Starry Messenger]

48. The Anger phase.

[Agschmid]

50. Unrec.

[alcibiades_mystery]

55. ROFL

There there, HoosierRadical.

There there.

[Bleacher Creature]

56. Oh good, this crap again!

And again, and again, and again.

And yet, no matter how many times it's repeated, it's still 100% wrong.

Funny, for a Democratic website there sure are a lot of people hoping for the likely nominee to lose in November.

[HoosierRadical]

59. Likely? You better hope NOT!

No one is hoping for a Democratic loss, I just refuse to ignore the polls that have her losing to the GOP candidate, whereas Bernie beats them. But you Hillary supporters are more interested in having her as the nominee, and hoping like hope, she somehow manages to win, despite everything indicating the opposite.

[Calista241]

58. hmmm.

2016 - roughly 370,000
2008 - roughly 535,000

[jfern]

63. They won't regret a thing, they'll blame us for everything

[HoosierRadical]

65. How will we be the blame?

We won't, but these Hillary people refuse to accept the fact that she can't get any votes outside the base, thankfully, Bernie will prevail in the end and secure the nomination and than win the GE. I was just interested in hearing if any of them had consider what would happen if she did manage to get the nomination.

[jfern]

66. 3rd wayers like Rahm Emanuel fight the left more than the right

[That Guy 888]

72. You're right, I've never seen a Clinton fight republicans as hard as critics from the left. n/t

[alcibiades_mystery]

73. When she wins I'm going to repost this thread and laugh in your face

[NanceGreggs]

81. Okay, I must be out of the loop.

Did a memo go out telling people that if they post "HRC can't win the GE" a certain number of times, it will actually mean something?

Sorry to tell ya, but no matter how many times you post that, Hillary is still going to be the next POTUS.

I seriously don't know what you think you're accomplishing.