2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumToday I end my flirtation with the Third Way. Oh sure, they talk a good game, but in the end
I realize they don't have labor's back at all, and never have. In fact, they co-opted many, many Republican ideas until we lost our party. No more. I have seen the light. I have heard Sweet Bernie's dulcet tones on his Folk album, and I like it that he hasn't changed a position in 40 years. I like it that he doesn't just talk a good game, but he actually DOES SOMETHING. Like protest. Like get arrested for his beliefs. Like always, always advocate for the least of these. He has principles. He has scruples. He is not afraid to march, or to work a picket line. He has charm and wit and personality, and he has real values that line up precisely with mine, not just kinda-sorta. That's not why I've made up my mind, though.
My mind is made up because Hillary will get slaughtered in the general. Without a doubt.
Bernie might not win, but he has a better chance than Hillary, by far.
And more than likely, he will win.
Barring any nefarious activities with the voting machines installed by Bushco and controlled by private corporations rather than our local elections boards. Too bad we all fell for that one, too.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)That's just creepy.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Filled with compassion as I am, I have no wish to watch Hillary get slaughtered in the GE either.
I will get off the fence, and wholeheartedly support Bernie.
I will remove the Goldwater icon that I have used to honor Hillary's historical ties with him.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)In case you happened to be honoring her later roots.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Ino
(3,366 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)I wish we had a weather vane emoji.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Hydra
(14,459 posts)Is more than once I heard people say that Bernie is a great guy and Democrat, despite being an independent, and that it was a shame he didn't have more power in congress or at least more people who were willing to stick their necks out and vote for what was right with him.
Guess what? Here's the chance to do that.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)always talk about what great guy you other when they either need something from you or when they're about to drop their pants. ? Don't know for sure, but now is the time to take our party back. Stand for something other than what is going on. Stand for what is right. People over Corporations. People, not corporations in charge of things. Government of, by, and for the people*
*A person is defined as one, single, living breathing human being without any extensions whatsoever to corporate or other legal entities, who shall be in fact subjects of the State in which they are chartered.
nxylas
(6,440 posts)"Ben is a person. Jerry is a person. Ben & Jerry's is not a person."
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)If corporations are people for purposes of the Bill of Rights, what about an android computer that can to a more or less limited extent make decisions? We are entering a world in which computers can imitate thinking if not sentient human beings.
Would a computer making the decisions for a corporation be considered a person for purposes of the Constitution in the future?
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)actual living, breathing human beings. There would be no room for androids or computers or anything of the sort.
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Armstead
(47,803 posts)Now that Bernie dared to challenge Clinton Inc. they're denying that part of their own belief system.
erlewyne
(1,115 posts)and I am voting for Bernie Sanders.
Going to put out a big yard sign with bright colors.
Draw it and paint it myself.
Any suggestions?
Go Bernie Sanders !!!!!!!!
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)Saw that on the interwebs.
FangedNoumenom
(145 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)And, sometimes, it's not so well disguised!
Bassomar
(58 posts)emsimon33
(3,128 posts)I believe that Bernie can win as he will draw moderate Republicans and once the AAs and others get to know him, they will vote for him.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)Been an active Democrat for over 50 years. Stumped for JFK and the first Gov. Brown in California in 1960 when I was 16!
I have seen MY PARTY decline and decline and decline, into war and into Reaganism (let's be honest) ever since.
I think my turning point was about a week ago, when Barbara Boxer endorsed Clinton. Gone Corporatist. Gone warmonger. Clinton voted for the Iraq War, for godssakes! And she also made the disaster in ME worse as Sec of State! And Boxer--whom I've voted for I don't know how many times--is endorsing this corrupt liar!
PHONY Democrats. Even Boxer! They are all dependent on Corporate and War Profiteer money--just about every "liberal" Democrat we've voted for and worked so hard to put into office!
In addition, they're going to LOSE US THIS ELECTION! They DON'T WANT the in-put of the people. They've made that very clear. Almost nobody voted in SC--a 12.5% Dem turnout. That is disgraceful. In reality, Clinton lost SC tonight. It's ludicrous that the corpo-fascist media is treating it like a coronation. As unimportant as SC is in the the General Election--as a low population, rightwing state with only a few electoral votes--it is a dire harbinger of Clinton's UNPOPULARITY, which has been showing up all throughout February in national polls. Her trustworthiness and favorability numbers are in the toilet, while Sanders' are just the opposite, very high. Sanders beats every Republican. She does not.
Yeah, it's early days for national polls, but combined with the shocking turnout in SC, a Clinton stronghold (stranglehold?), and other very serious problems (like the FBI investigating her) and corruption everywhere you look in her life and career, we, as Democrats, are going to get stomped on in November.
But that is not the worst of it for me. She and her cronies in the Democratic Party establishment have become traitors to every principle of economic fairness and political democracy that this Party has ever stood for. They are an Oligarchy! And most of them, starting with the Clintons, have made themselves rich by selling our democracy to the highest bidders.
Clinton will crumble up against this "maverick" sort of person, Trump, who can claim to be independent of everybody because he is a billionaire in his own right. So we go from the Democratic Oligarchy to an outright fascist who has no allegiance to anybody. That will be his "selling" point, and our party will have nothing to counter it with, unless we can get Bernie Sanders nominated. Then independence of a very different kind--the independence of honest advocacy for the people on the basis of NO BILLIONAIRE OR CORPORATE OR WAR PROFITEER MONEY--will be the counter, and I do believe it will win. Indeed, I think that our people are hungry for a real, damn-your-eyes captain of our ship of state, acting in OUR interest. That is Bernie Sanders.
Carolina
(6,960 posts)Last edited Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:10 PM - Edit history (1)
Bravo. Your post says it all. I am just a few years younger than you and feel precisely the same as you do.
I proudly voted for Bernie yesterday here in Colubia, SC but was appalled by the lack of participation. Clearly the poll workers were bored and the sheet you sign after they have confirmed your status was not even full... I glanced over the sheet as I signed. One page with plenty of signature spaces open. The poll workers thanked me for voting as I left the otherwise empty polling place!
The low turnout in this red state means squat and the DNC/DWS/HRC cabal can gloat over this victory all they want. But in the general, they -- and we -- will all lose.
Bernie is the change we have needed for 36 years, since Reagan. The Clintons campaigned on righting the Reagan economic wrong but revealed their true loyalties with advisors like Wall Streeter failure extraordinaire Larry Summers, Treasury Secy Robert Rubin (Mr. Goldman Sachs), their Glass-Steagall reversal, and their role as Turd Way DLC founders.
Add to all that HRC's abysmal neocon-neoliberal record in the Senate (IWR, bankruptcy bill, Patriot Act x2) and at State (Honduras, Libya, Syria are a mess) and the Party of FDR, HST, JFK, LBJ is GONE!
We thought Obama was hope and change, but many of us knew the game was truly rigged when he peopled his cabinet with Clinton/DLC retreads, friends like Rahm, and the likes of Geithner at Treasury!
No more. It's Bernie or bust
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)I never flirted with the Third Way. Too slimy.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)identical headline post from another poster supporting the Third Way.
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)I saw that thread but didn't read it. Makes much more sense! Wasn't trying one up you, though.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)?w=720
LWolf
(46,179 posts)I can't agree with your title, because I've never had a flirtation with neo-liberals in any of their incarnations, but I applaud your post and agree with the rest.
And I appreciate the parody.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Eom