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silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:07 AM Feb 2016

Today I end my flirtation with the Third Way. Oh sure, they talk a good game, but in the end

I realize they don't have labor's back at all, and never have. In fact, they co-opted many, many Republican ideas until we lost our party. No more. I have seen the light. I have heard Sweet Bernie's dulcet tones on his Folk album, and I like it that he hasn't changed a position in 40 years. I like it that he doesn't just talk a good game, but he actually DOES SOMETHING. Like protest. Like get arrested for his beliefs. Like always, always advocate for the least of these. He has principles. He has scruples. He is not afraid to march, or to work a picket line. He has charm and wit and personality, and he has real values that line up precisely with mine, not just kinda-sorta. That's not why I've made up my mind, though.

My mind is made up because Hillary will get slaughtered in the general. Without a doubt.
Bernie might not win, but he has a better chance than Hillary, by far.
And more than likely, he will win.

Barring any nefarious activities with the voting machines installed by Bushco and controlled by private corporations rather than our local elections boards. Too bad we all fell for that one, too.

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Today I end my flirtation with the Third Way. Oh sure, they talk a good game, but in the end (Original Post) silvershadow Feb 2016 OP
Sweet Bernie? giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #1
LOL Whatever. He is a dreamy candidate. I was channeling Marsha Brady and grinning while I typed. silvershadow Feb 2016 #3
Whatever floats your boat. giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #5
You have swayed me. I, too have voted for third way candidates in every election going back to 1992 virtualobserver Feb 2016 #2
:-) CentralMass Feb 2016 #4
Make sure you get rid of the any leftover Rockefeller stuff you might have as well from 68. silvershadow Feb 2016 #6
I only discovered the "Rockefeller Connection" recently. Hillary must have dyed those roots. virtualobserver Feb 2016 #8
Here's a chart that might help: silvershadow Feb 2016 #9
LOL! (nt) Ino Feb 2016 #11
Accurate chart. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #13
It's only accurate until the next time she changes a position. JimDandy Feb 2016 #20
!! Ruby the Liberal Feb 2016 #24
Holy shit, when has she ever been Authoritarian Left? nt VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #28
You know, one of the funny things from before this primary Hydra Feb 2016 #7
Probably insiders patting him on the back when the 60th vote was required or something. They silvershadow Feb 2016 #10
I like Bernie's definition better nxylas Feb 2016 #12
Your definition of a person is interesting. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #16
I must be confused. It looks like you responded to me? I have no definition but silvershadow Feb 2016 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author MasonDreams Feb 2016 #22
That's because they were being honest about their actual beliefs then Armstead Feb 2016 #25
My vote still counts erlewyne Feb 2016 #14
I like: "Vote Bernie Sanders: He is not an asshole." Peace Patriot Feb 2016 #17
Third Way = neoliberalism in disguise. n/t FangedNoumenom Feb 2016 #15
Indeed, FangedNoumenom... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #30
Hehe, good stuff. k&r Bassomar Feb 2016 #19
There is no way Hillary can win the general election! emsimon33 Feb 2016 #21
I'm with you! I have had it with Corporate Democrats! Peace Patriot Feb 2016 #23
K&R Carolina Feb 2016 #27
Proud to say tazkcmo Feb 2016 #26
I never did either. My post (well, headline anyway) is a counter to a nearly silvershadow Feb 2016 #29
Ah, I see said the blind man! tazkcmo Feb 2016 #34
No problem. silvershadow Feb 2016 #35
K/R UglyGreed Feb 2016 #31
lol LWolf Feb 2016 #32
Thank you! silvershadow Feb 2016 #33
3rd way = libertarian fascist. PowerToThePeople Feb 2016 #36
 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
2. You have swayed me. I, too have voted for third way candidates in every election going back to 1992
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:13 AM
Feb 2016

Filled with compassion as I am, I have no wish to watch Hillary get slaughtered in the GE either.

I will get off the fence, and wholeheartedly support Bernie.

I will remove the Goldwater icon that I have used to honor Hillary's historical ties with him.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
6. Make sure you get rid of the any leftover Rockefeller stuff you might have as well from 68.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:26 AM
Feb 2016

In case you happened to be honoring her later roots.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
7. You know, one of the funny things from before this primary
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:32 AM
Feb 2016

Is more than once I heard people say that Bernie is a great guy and Democrat, despite being an independent, and that it was a shame he didn't have more power in congress or at least more people who were willing to stick their necks out and vote for what was right with him.

Guess what? Here's the chance to do that.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
10. Probably insiders patting him on the back when the 60th vote was required or something. They
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:45 AM
Feb 2016

always talk about what great guy you other when they either need something from you or when they're about to drop their pants. ? Don't know for sure, but now is the time to take our party back. Stand for something other than what is going on. Stand for what is right. People over Corporations. People, not corporations in charge of things. Government of, by, and for the people*

*A person is defined as one, single, living breathing human being without any extensions whatsoever to corporate or other legal entities, who shall be in fact subjects of the State in which they are chartered.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
12. I like Bernie's definition better
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 02:49 AM
Feb 2016

"Ben is a person. Jerry is a person. Ben & Jerry's is not a person."

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
16. Your definition of a person is interesting.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 03:36 AM
Feb 2016

If corporations are people for purposes of the Bill of Rights, what about an android computer that can to a more or less limited extent make decisions? We are entering a world in which computers can imitate thinking if not sentient human beings.

Would a computer making the decisions for a corporation be considered a person for purposes of the Constitution in the future?

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
18. I must be confused. It looks like you responded to me? I have no definition but
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 03:49 AM
Feb 2016

actual living, breathing human beings. There would be no room for androids or computers or anything of the sort.

Response to JDPriestly (Reply #16)

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
25. That's because they were being honest about their actual beliefs then
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 10:50 AM
Feb 2016

Now that Bernie dared to challenge Clinton Inc. they're denying that part of their own belief system.

erlewyne

(1,115 posts)
14. My vote still counts
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 02:51 AM
Feb 2016

and I am voting for Bernie Sanders.


Going to put out a big yard sign with bright colors.

Draw it and paint it myself.

Any suggestions?


Go Bernie Sanders !!!!!!!!

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
21. There is no way Hillary can win the general election!
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 03:58 AM
Feb 2016

I believe that Bernie can win as he will draw moderate Republicans and once the AAs and others get to know him, they will vote for him.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
23. I'm with you! I have had it with Corporate Democrats!
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 04:37 AM
Feb 2016

Been an active Democrat for over 50 years. Stumped for JFK and the first Gov. Brown in California in 1960 when I was 16!

I have seen MY PARTY decline and decline and decline, into war and into Reaganism (let's be honest) ever since.

I think my turning point was about a week ago, when Barbara Boxer endorsed Clinton. Gone Corporatist. Gone warmonger. Clinton voted for the Iraq War, for godssakes! And she also made the disaster in ME worse as Sec of State! And Boxer--whom I've voted for I don't know how many times--is endorsing this corrupt liar!

PHONY Democrats. Even Boxer! They are all dependent on Corporate and War Profiteer money--just about every "liberal" Democrat we've voted for and worked so hard to put into office!

In addition, they're going to LOSE US THIS ELECTION! They DON'T WANT the in-put of the people. They've made that very clear. Almost nobody voted in SC--a 12.5% Dem turnout. That is disgraceful. In reality, Clinton lost SC tonight. It's ludicrous that the corpo-fascist media is treating it like a coronation. As unimportant as SC is in the the General Election--as a low population, rightwing state with only a few electoral votes--it is a dire harbinger of Clinton's UNPOPULARITY, which has been showing up all throughout February in national polls. Her trustworthiness and favorability numbers are in the toilet, while Sanders' are just the opposite, very high. Sanders beats every Republican. She does not.

Yeah, it's early days for national polls, but combined with the shocking turnout in SC, a Clinton stronghold (stranglehold?), and other very serious problems (like the FBI investigating her) and corruption everywhere you look in her life and career, we, as Democrats, are going to get stomped on in November.

But that is not the worst of it for me. She and her cronies in the Democratic Party establishment have become traitors to every principle of economic fairness and political democracy that this Party has ever stood for. They are an Oligarchy! And most of them, starting with the Clintons, have made themselves rich by selling our democracy to the highest bidders.

Clinton will crumble up against this "maverick" sort of person, Trump, who can claim to be independent of everybody because he is a billionaire in his own right. So we go from the Democratic Oligarchy to an outright fascist who has no allegiance to anybody. That will be his "selling" point, and our party will have nothing to counter it with, unless we can get Bernie Sanders nominated. Then independence of a very different kind--the independence of honest advocacy for the people on the basis of NO BILLIONAIRE OR CORPORATE OR WAR PROFITEER MONEY--will be the counter, and I do believe it will win. Indeed, I think that our people are hungry for a real, damn-your-eyes captain of our ship of state, acting in OUR interest. That is Bernie Sanders.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
27. K&R
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 11:38 AM
Feb 2016

Last edited Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:10 PM - Edit history (1)

Bravo. Your post says it all. I am just a few years younger than you and feel precisely the same as you do.

I proudly voted for Bernie yesterday here in Colubia, SC but was appalled by the lack of participation. Clearly the poll workers were bored and the sheet you sign after they have confirmed your status was not even full... I glanced over the sheet as I signed. One page with plenty of signature spaces open. The poll workers thanked me for voting as I left the otherwise empty polling place!

The low turnout in this red state means squat and the DNC/DWS/HRC cabal can gloat over this victory all they want. But in the general, they -- and we -- will all lose.

Bernie is the change we have needed for 36 years, since Reagan. The Clintons campaigned on righting the Reagan economic wrong but revealed their true loyalties with advisors like Wall Streeter failure extraordinaire Larry Summers, Treasury Secy Robert Rubin (Mr. Goldman Sachs), their Glass-Steagall reversal, and their role as Turd Way DLC founders.

Add to all that HRC's abysmal neocon-neoliberal record in the Senate (IWR, bankruptcy bill, Patriot Act x2) and at State (Honduras, Libya, Syria are a mess) and the Party of FDR, HST, JFK, LBJ is GONE!

We thought Obama was hope and change, but many of us knew the game was truly rigged when he peopled his cabinet with Clinton/DLC retreads, friends like Rahm, and the likes of Geithner at Treasury!

No more. It's Bernie or bust

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
29. I never did either. My post (well, headline anyway) is a counter to a nearly
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 02:02 PM
Feb 2016

identical headline post from another poster supporting the Third Way.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
34. Ah, I see said the blind man!
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:54 PM
Feb 2016

I saw that thread but didn't read it. Makes much more sense! Wasn't trying one up you, though.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
32. lol
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 02:25 PM
Feb 2016

I can't agree with your title, because I've never had a flirtation with neo-liberals in any of their incarnations, but I applaud your post and agree with the rest.

And I appreciate the parody.



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