Numbers don't lie in SC

[UglyGreed]

Clinton in a two way race 271,514, Trump in a SIX way race 239,851. Enjoy The South Carolina victory while you can because IMO it won't be the same results in a GE and it will be a crying shame if Trump cruises to victory.

[oasis]

1. SC stays red. Got it.

[Live and Learn]

2. Dems not coming out to vote for Hillary. Got it.

[Renew Deal]

4. And really not coming out for Bernie

He couldn't even break 100k.

[Live and Learn]

6. Not in South Carolina. He didn't really get to campaign there enough.

Given time, he would have.

[Stuckinthebush]

12. He had months!

He knew SC was an important state. Why wouldn't he have time to campaign there?

Look, he did campaign there and he tried. God bless. He couldn't win over the POC vote nor the more moderate to conservative Dem vote. He lost because of it.

He has lost 3 out of 4 races. The future races look bleak for him. He doesn't have support from AA voters nor from Hispanic voters. Nor from moderate to conservative Dems. He does not have broad appeal to Democratic voters. He tried and I applaud him for it. It just isn't going to happen.

[Live and Learn]

15. Hillary has had years. South Carolina with its small conservative and relatively backward

population and small delegate count was the least important for him to spend the little precious time he had in. Nobody ever expected him to win South Carolina.

[Stuckinthebush]

20. Backward population?

Lord, I'll let my friends in Columbia, Greenville, and Charleston know how backward they are. They'll howl at that.

Perhaps Hillary won because she didn't see them as "backward".

[Live and Learn]

22. Howl away but it is pretty obvious that the majority of the state is pretty backward

and always has been. You won't get me to sing any praises for South Carolina.

And please, don't attempt to project what I say on to Bernie, he never said they were backward (because he would never say such a thing) but I sure the hell would.

[Stuckinthebush]

24. And you are from there?

I've lived there. There are many progressive and moderate Dems who are anything but backward.

But, that doesn't fit with the redneck narrative that elite Dems have, I guess. Keep it up. It'll certainly help your candidate.

[Live and Learn]

27. Nobody said everyone there was backward.

But, I will say Hillary is a conservative and someone supporting her, might just be one too.

[Stuckinthebush]

31. Hillary is a moderate

and listens to conservatives and progressives.

That appeals to the majority of Dems in the country.

[Live and Learn]

34. Not by her record. nt

[Stuckinthebush]

38. Her record you like to look at

But she is a moderate. Very clearly so.

But we can agree to disagree.

[Live and Learn]

42. I don't have to look, I have lived through it. Iraq War for starters. nt

[Cassiopeia]

44. Yeah, I've lived there too.

I even lived in a more progressive part of the state just south of Charlotte. I still visit many friends there every year and find it has changed little.

South Carolina is not the least bit progressive. The progressive segment of the state is extremely small.

The state ranks at the bottom in education as well and it shows, even in the larger metro areas.

[Stuckinthebush]

51. No one said it was progressive

But it does have many moderate and some progressive Dems. It is anything but "backwards". That's the point of the thread.

[Live and Learn]

64. Okay, we'll go with stagnant then. nt

[Lizzie Poppet]

53. I'd prefer "relatively conservative," myself.

Do I consider that "backward?" Well, sure...I'm a progressive, so any other take on more-conservative politics would be odd. But do you express that opinion (and let's be clear: that's what our political positions are, for all that one can marshal facts in support) out loud, in public? Not if you have any appreciation for civil behavior...ridiculing people for what is largely a difference of subjective opinion is a dick move.

And while I don't live there (I'm a Pacific Northwest girl...), I also visit the South pretty frequently. I've encountered plenty of sophisticated, cosmopolitan people. And if there are people I think (to myself) are a bit backward, well...no shortage of those up here in Oregon, either.

[Buzz Clik]

25. Wow. That was offensive. SC has one of the highest densities of graduate degrees in the country.

Or, was your comment more about the African-American vote.

Care to clarify? (I'd suggest you simply walk away)

[Live and Learn]

28. Nope, about the overall or average population.

Why should I walk away from it? One certainly wouldn't call South Carolina progressive and the opposite is backward. Would you prefer stagnant?

BTW, pretty funny to see you worry about being offensive.

[Buzz Clik]

33. Cool. You've defined yourself. Works for me.

[Live and Learn]

65. Are you trying to appear comprehensively challanged on purpose? nt

[MineralMan]

37. "Backward Population?"

Why, whatever can you mean by that, I wonder? Uff da!

[Live and Learn]

66. Back at you. nt

[AgerolanAmerican]

62. If this is backward, I'll stay backward, thank you

Our "backwardness" includes being the most polite state in the nation. Please forgive us if we do not move forward into the rudeness and foul-mouthed crudeness, ruthlessness and extreme pornographic culture of the up-to-date, cutting-edge modern northerners.

Contrary to outsiders' impressions, we do have indoor plumbing and electricity, and yes, even the Internet.

[Live and Learn]

67. I don't find them to be especially polite either. Polite condescension is not polite. nt

[oasis]

10. "True" Democrats will do everything they can to avoid a SCOTUS

crawling with right wing nut cases.

[Live and Learn]

13. A Hillary SCOTUS appointment won't be any better. nt

[oasis]

29. If you really believe that, okay.

[Live and Learn]

35. I know that. She is bought and paid for. nt

[UglyGreed]

8. Turnout

my friend turnout. All of the talk of Hillary being the chosen one and Bernie is unelectable or will not be able to do anything has taken it's toll. Reap what you sow...............

[bigtree]

40. Bernie had less than half as many folks as Hillary turn out for him

...and turnout, by his own reasoning, is supposed to define his peoples revolution.

[UglyGreed]

46. My point is

that crowing about this victory is hollow.........enjoy and be happy it will not last in SC that's all.

[bigtree]

50. your point was couched in a misleading premise

...and it looks like you're gleefully rooting for Trump here.

[Renew Deal]

3. You know that SC has a lot more republicans? And more candidates means more voters.

[Buzz Clik]

5. So, we should vote for the guy who lost to Hillary?

[Live and Learn]

7. Yes. It would be the moral vote anyway. nt

[Buzz Clik]

9. Maybe I should cast a write-in for Jeebus.

[UglyGreed]

19. Don't you have something

better to do than troll a thread? Perhaps a Champagne brunch with your wealthy friends? I'm stuck in my home due to disability and lack of funds, if I had rich friends I would be out enjoying life with them.

[Stuckinthebush]

14. I think it would be the immoral vote

Because he'd lose in November and we would be stuck with President Trump who will then hurt many, many people in the country. The moral vote is the pragmatic vote.

[Live and Learn]

16. Then you would be wrong. Hillary is the one that can't win in November.

She can't even get lifelong Democrats like me. I won't advocate anybody else not vote for her but from what I have heard on the streets many won't.

[Stuckinthebush]

21. Really?

[Live and Learn]

26. Here I fixed it for you; Likely Voters - enjoy:

[Stuckinthebush]

36. Cute trick

The likelihood that Clinton beats Trump is 99%.

GOP moderates have said they will support her over Trump.

She beats Trump all day. It's not an issue.

[Live and Learn]

41. What trick? All I did was use likely voters. Your chart was wrong since it included people that

will not vote. I hate to burst your bubble but Trump would beat Hillary, even in California.

[Stuckinthebush]

45. Well, we are screwed then, eh?

Because Sanders has no shot.

oh, well!

[TDale313]

43. Nobody believes she has a 99% chance at beating Trump.

I don't believe Bernie has a 99% chance of beating Trump either. But you're in complete denial if you think this'll be a cakewalk for her. He's dangerous. There will be more people than you want to think who'll buy his con.

[Stuckinthebush]

48. Yep. Indeed

Oh, hell. He's going to crush her. But, I guess since Bernie has no shot at being the nominee we are screwed. Screwed I say!

Come on. Cut the crap. The GOP won't win the general with these clowns. Trump appeals to the 35% of the GOP base that are angry, white, men and women. Swing states won't support him. It's ridiculous to think he appeals to anything outside of his insane base.

Even moderate GOPers are saying they won't vote for him!

[TDale313]

59. Again, I think you're in denial.

They're energized. We're just not. Look at the turnout. This isn't a Bernie can win she can't post. This is a "We all need to wake up to the headwinds and be ready for this fight" post. I hope Trump self destructs- believe me. I hope Americans are smart enough to see through his con. Maybe they will. If they do, he'll lose in a landslide. But I watched my "liberal" California elect the Governator. Don't underestimate the appeal of celebrity, antiestablishment rhetoric, and authoritarianism. He may be a con man, but he's a very dangerous one.

[Stuckinthebush]

60. So what do you suggest?

Bernie can't win. Let's go ahead and put that out there. He's done.

So, it will be Hillary. How can you and I make sure she is the President?

[TDale313]

63. Well, not willing to write Bernie off just yet, but...

I'll be honest and say- I'm not sure. Been pondering this for a while. Turnout's key, but how do we get people excited? I don't think it'll be a normal election cycle. Traditional maps and demos go out the window. And I am hopeful he'll self destruct at some point and it will be a Dem landslide- and yes that's certainly possible. Not sure what the silver bullet would be that takes him down. It may be up to forces we don't have a lot of control over. I just nervous when the assumption is this'll be easy cause I suspect it won't.

[amborin]

11. Yes; because the disaggregated vote tallies show that crucially important blocs voted FOR Bernie, i

in EVERY primary; chief among these blocs is Independents; they comprise 43% of the electorate; Bernie wins Indies hands down, over and over;

[Buzz Clik]

23. No. Bernie is unelectable. Period. He can't win within the left, and he has no reach into the right.

Non starter. It's always been the case.

It's merely an intellectual debate. His campaign will end in a month.

[Live and Learn]

30. Oh, he definitely wins within the left.

Perhaps you just don't know the left.

[Buzz Clik]

47. Yes, silly me. I am judging his popularity by the votes he is getting.

In reality, the winner in the primary will be the one who gets the fewest votes.

[Live and Learn]

49. That has nothing to do with the left. Bernie has gotten the left vote.

The question is how much of the population is actually 'left'. Some pretend to be left but vote conservative.

[Buzz Clik]

52. Oh. So Bernie made a mistake by declaring himself a Democrat. At last, we agree.

[Live and Learn]

54. Oh, so you just make shit up? I never said that. Lying disgusts me. nt

[Buzz Clik]

55. Lying doesn't disgust you or you'd stop.

[Live and Learn]

57. More lies? Do you ever stop? nt

[Lucinda]

17. Not much of a selling point, is it?

[Dem2]

18. Bernie or doom and gloom

This narrative is getting old.

[Live and Learn]

32. Not a narrative just the truth. Sorry it isn't prettier. nt

[Dem2]

39. Indeed.

It's the absolute truth.

[sufrommich]

56. +1000. nt

[Kalidurga]

61. If you are on a sinking ship...

are you going with the person who is going to tell you where the life boats are or the one that says well it's not so bad now is it?

[HassleCat]

58. I love surprises!

But not this one. Trump is doing much, much better than expected. His candidacy was supposed to be dead and buried by now. Republicans like him, embrace him, and are voting for him.

[kgnu_fan]

68. Kick