What's the difference Sanders tried to impart between southern blacks and those in other regions?

[bigtree]

..Why does he feel southern blacks were less likely to vote for him than black voters elsewhere may be?

Clinton won 57% of the black vote in Nevada. Where are these black voters who Sanders expects to vote differently and why?

Katherine Miller @katherinemiller
Bernie: I’ll Do Better With Black Voters Who Don’t Live In The Deep South

On This Week, Sanders telegraphed more Super Tuesday defeats among black voters in the day’s southern primaries, but suggested black voters outside the region would be more likely to support him.

“I think you’re going to see us doing — and I think the polls indicated it, much better within the African-American community outside of the Deep South,” Sanders said. “You’re going to see us much better in New York state where I think we have a shot to win, in California and in Michigan.”

None of the states Sanders mentioned vote on Super Tuesday. In that contest, his campaign remains focused on states with a relatively large population of white Democratic voters.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/bernie-sanders-ill-do-better-with-black-voters-who-dont-live?utm_term=.vlw4jReQP …



Darren Hutchinson ‏@dissentingj 43m43 minutes ago
Latest Maryland poll shows Clinton has 10-1 lead among black voters. Don't tell Sanders. http://fw.to/UyCWgPN

[SidDithers]

1. DU rec...nt

Sid

[Agnosticsherbet]

3. rec.

[livetohike]

4. Someone should ask Nina Turner this question. n/t

[litlbilly]

5. Oh look more race baiting. Get lost with this bullshit

[bigtree]

12. why don't I just lose you, instead?

...because I'm not going to bullied out of discussing race in this campaign, especially when your candidate is having his own say.

Especially when Sanders supporters are given a free pass to make almost any ignorant comment they want, directed toward blacks (made in support of Sanders and against Hillary) with impunity here.

[Armstead]

22. I might suggest such discussion are more important to save for the General when it WILL be an issue

In the meantime sewing racial divisiveness among Democrats who basically agree is counter productive.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. With all due respect

With all due respect, do you give that same counsel to those on the same side as you in the Clinton-Sanders divide who engage in the behavior you now decry?


If I had the proverbial dollar for every implicit or explicit "African Americans are unaware of what their true interests are" threads I would be a rich man.

[Armstead]

33. With all duer respect.....

Personally I, am sickened by the whole injection of race and racial "loyalties," and that whole ball of wax into this primary campaign.

There are clear differences between Clinton and Sanders on larger issues of Wealth and Power and Liberalism and how we analyze and address the overall situation of America. That is what the primary should be about.

Race is important, obviously. But Clinton and Sanders are (at the very least) equal and similar on that and most otehr social issues. Both are Light Years ahead of whoever the GOP candidate is going to be on race and all socials issues.

The injection of race is, unfortunately, weakening the larger Democratic coalition that will be required to fight Real Racism in the general election. It is also a distraction that is overshadowing the necessary discussion on the important overarching issues of Wealth and Power.

(And in the glass house category, I have been guilty of participating in the race baiting too. But it's been more a defensive response, which also motivates many otehr supporters of sanders. )

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. The poster has a right to speak his mind as do you.

And I don't see the same objection when your associates bring up the issue.

[Armstead]

24. To avoid typing twice....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1365227

[PatrynXX]

69. the race baiting by Hillary of late is insane

and disturbing. I try to ignore the BS but wow. the younger voters can see it I wish the older ones could to but if I can't convince my dad that wired itnernet is faster than wireless this probably won't go anywhere.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. She carried African American Voters in the Nevada caucus 76%-22%

http://www.cbsnews.com/elections/2016/primaries/democrat/nevada/exit/

[firebrand80]

81. Similar numbers in IA and NH too nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

82. I suspect this regional difference in voting argument is a canard./nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

82. I suspect this regional difference in voting argument is a canard./nt

[Csainvestor]

7. Ideology

Voters in the south are more conservative, even dems.
Sanders doesn't do well with conserva dems.

[bigtree]

11. possibly

...exit polls bear that out, somewhat.

Sixty-five percent of white voters identified themselves as liberals, vs. 46 percent of black voters. Clinton won white moderates and “somewhat” liberals by double digits, while she and Sanders split “very” liberal whites.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-south-carolina-democratic-primary-exit-poll-analysis/story?id=37241467

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

8. Are you saying blacks are monolithic?

[FangedNoumenom]

19. This. n/t

[MisterP]

66. or pro-war, pro-DP, anti-marijuana reform, pro-poverty-doubling, outsourcing, and pro-jail, perhaps?

[obamanut2012]

9. Bernie & his campaign need to study the Reverse Migration

Among other things.

[Vincardog]

10. It might be that blacks in other places have more access to the intertoobs.

[rbrnmw]

16. really?

[grossproffit]

44. Yep, don't cha know. All em' poor, low information voters ain't know no betta.

[Ed Suspicious]

52. "Ain't know no betta?" Wow. Condescend much?

[grossproffit]

56. Condescending? I'm basically quoting what some have posted since South Carolina.

You must have missed all those posts that called into question the intelligence of the voters in South Carolina.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. I am pretty sure they have access to the internet in the south.

I am open minded and can be persuaded to the contrary if the evidence exists.

[Vincardog]

36. Is "the south" were poor black folks live?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. Why would you ask such an incendiary question?

Is "the south" were poor black folks live?

[Vincardog]

46. Why did the OP ask why Bernie would do better with other blacks?

[grossproffit]

48. Probably because of the quote in the OP

"Bernie: I’ll Do Better With Black Voters Who Don’t Live In The Deep South."

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. I thought the OP was citing the Vermont senator

“I think you’re going to see us doing — and I think the polls indicated it, much better within the African-American community outside of the Deep South,” Sanders said. “You’re going to see us much better in New York state where I think we have a shot to win, in California and in Michigan.”

-Bernie Sanders

The senator's assertion seems unfounded based on the polling data I have seen but he is entitled to his opinion.

[Vincardog]

54. Time will tell

[DemocratSinceBirth]

62. From a recent Michigan poll

 Clinton has a huge 84%-13% lead with African-Americans

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/FEB_Mitchell-FOX_2_Detroit_MI_Poll_DEM_Primary.pdf

From a recent Ohio Poll

Clinton has a 76% -21% among African Americans in Ohio

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/images/polling/oh/oh02232016_Osm46vb.pdf

You can research other stares... It is safe to say the evidence doesn't support the assertion that there are statistically meaningful difference in African American voting by region.

[Vincardog]

63. I never made any such assertion. I do however expect Bernie to win in other states.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

65. You didn't make the assertion, Senator Sanders did.

I suspect he wins Vermont, Maine, Alaska, Utah, Hawaii, Idaho, Kansas, Nebraska, and possibly Colorado, Massachusetts, and Minnesota.


That's off the top of my head.

[Chitown Kev]

49. Ignorance

http://www.diversityinc.com/diversity-and-inclusion/study-shows-black-teens-use-social-media-differently-than-whites/

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/02/03/social-media-preferences-vary-by-race-and-ethnicity/

No...blacks and whites just don't use the internet in the same way

[grossproffit]

57. In regards to social media.

[azurnoir]

60. Interesting from your link

• White teens are less likely to be social friends with celebrities, athletes or musicians than Blacks. (48 percent of black social-media-using teens report celebrity friends while only 25 percent of white ones do).

“African-American youth are more connected to pop culture,” explains Najah Goldstein, freelance entertainment writer for Radio One. “Look at who they emulate—Beyoncé, Rihanna and others.” Plus, she explains it’s a big deal and a “cool” thing among teens to have a celebrity “friend” or to have a celebrity retweet a message they’ve sent to them.

• Twitter is the preferred social network of African-American teens compared to white teens (39 percent of African-American teens reported using Twitter while only 23 percent of white teens preferred it).

• African-American teens are more likely to post fake information to their profiles than whites (39 percent of African-American teens report doing this compared with 21 percent of white teens).

Although the study revealed some interesting racial preferences among teens using social media, both Bullock and Goldstein told DiversityInc that it’s important for parents to monitor what their children are doing online, especially as the medium grows as a way to communicate directly with their children. As teens grow older, what they post online can potentially be viewed by recruiters and employers as they apply for college and future employment.

http://www.diversityinc.com/diversity-and-inclusion/study-shows-black-teens-use-social-media-differently-than-whites/

[yardwork]

77. Jaw drop. Did you really just say that?

Are you serious?

[thesquanderer]

13. It might have something to do with this...

interesting piece

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/25/opinion/campaign-stops/clinton-sanders-and-southern-voters.html

Black voters are not monolithic and of one mind. There are a hundred ways to analyze the factions within the black community, but I want to highlight one cleavage I find particularly relevant to discussing the overwhelming disparity in support for Clinton over Sanders.

There isn’t one black America, but two: The children of the Great Migration and the children of those who stayed behind in the South. (Black immigrants are another story.) Having spent the first half of my life in the South and the second in Great Migration destination cities, I can attest that the sensibilities are as different as night and day.

much more at the link

[bigtree]

23. Blow explains why he thinks southern blacks might feel and vote the way they do

...but he's less clear about his view of the characteristics of northern blacks and their political affinities.

I'm actually more interested in what Sanders actually believes, but it is interesting to read this view which suggests an independence of thought among those in the South; something which would contradict most narratives offered by the Sanders camp here in this race.

[Chitown Kev]

39. well, at least Sanders is reading Charles Blow...

so there's that...

[thesquanderer]

40. LOL good point! (n/t)

[Spazito]

14. Good OP...

I wasn't sure what Senator Sanders meant in his comments, will be interested in the responses.

[BlueCaliDem]

29. Yes, I will be interested in knowing what he meant, as well.

[Starry Messenger]

15. I wonder what his explanation could be?

He lost SC Democratic whites too. Does he think he will find different white people somewhere?

[FangedNoumenom]

21. Dems are more conservative in SC, black or white.

They voted for the conservative candidate. Simple as that.

[jack_krass]

74. What an idiotic post

Regional differences exists for blacks, just like whites, genius.

Stop trying so damn hard to be outraged.

[Starry Messenger]

75. What an idiotic response. Quit being so rude.

Stop trying so hard to be a tough guy on the internet, champ.

[jack_krass]

80. I was a little harsh(sorry), but...

You do understand that regional differences exist, right?

[Armstead]

20. Let's just keep on ginning up division with these insinuations

[BlueCaliDem]

25. K&R. Excellent points, bigtree! eom

[mmonk]

26. You answer the question. He supported Jesse Jackson for President.

[bigtree]

30. It's not my premise to answer. It's for Sanders and his supporters to answer

...since my own opinion gets my post locked here (a despicable characteristic of this forum).

Jesse Jackson has zero to do with my query. He's from Chicago, btw.

[mmonk]

31. Your party. There is no other answer

[mmonk]

34. BTW, he was born in S.C..

[bigtree]

35. it's a very weak point

...most of Jackson's early political career was enmeshed in Chicago politics.

I'm still left to wonder what this has to do with Sanders' statement?

[mmonk]

37. So was Bernie's as far as activism in racial injustice

but he was from Brooklyn. Bridges burned. Good luck.

[whatchamacallit]

28. MO'M would be so proud

[DesertRat]

32. k&r

[bigtree]

42. and you have some proof of this?

...or is this just your lovely opinion?

[Chitown Kev]

53. and a majority black district in Tennessee

elects and reelects a Jewish congressman by margins of 3 and 4 to 1 even against black challengers like the Ford family and the 5-time elected mayor of Memphis.

[rbrnmw]

64. that is not anywhere near fact

[JDPriestly]

55. Wikipedia cites studies.

Surveys done by the ADL in 2007, 2009, and 2011 all found that the large majority of African-Americans questioned rejected antisemitism and expressed the same kind of generally tolerant viewpoints as the rest of the Americans surveyed. For example, their 2009 study reported that 28% of African-Americans surveyed displayed antisemitic views while a 72% majority did not. However, those three surveys all found that negative attitudes towards Jews were stronger among African-Americans than among the general population at large.[18]

According to earlier ADL research, going back to 1964, the trend that African-Americans are significantly more likely than white Americans to hold antisemitic beliefs across all education levels has remained over the years. Nonetheless, the percentage of the population holding negative beliefs against Jews has waned considerably in the black community during this period as well. An ADL poll from 1992 stated that 37% of African-Americans surveyed displayed antisemitism;[1] in contrast, a poll from 2011 found that only 29% did so.[18]

Personal backgrounds play a huge role in terms of holding prejudiced versus tolerant views. Among black Americans with no college education, 43% fell into the most antisemitic group (versus 18% for the general population) compared to that being only 27% among blacks with some college education and just 18% among blacks with a four-year college degree (versus 5% for the general population). That data from the ADL's 1998 polling research shows a clear pattern.[1]

In spite of the strong Jewish participation in the African American civil rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s, the Black power movement introduced considerable friction into African American–Jewish relations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_United_States#African-American_community

Also there is, on Wikipedia, a discussion of the anti-semitism in Nation of Islam.

I don't know it that is true, but the polls from a few years ago back up this notion.

[JDPriestly]

45. Probably because Black voters in the South are in the South and surrounded by white

people in the South who are very conservative. The South is conservative.

[NastyRiffraff]

85. Are you serious?

Black people take on the political beliefs of whites? Condescending, much?

[JDPriestly]

86. Wny are people in California generally so liberal?

Is it possibly that with a few exceptions, people who are liberal choose to live in California?

Is it our bad experience with conservatives in government?

Is it just a Zeitgeist?

I don't know, but maybe Southern culture makes people more conservative in general. (There are many, many exceptions as there are in California. Think Orange County, CA.)

Maybe people who are more conservative stay or choose to live in the South?

It would be interesting to study that.

Maybe religion? Maybe history? Maybe education and lack thereof?

But the South is more conservative and is very likely to vote Republican in presidential elections.

http://www.270towin.com/historical-presidential-elections/

Sorry. But that's the way it is.

[NastyRiffraff]

91. But that's not what I was responding to

Certainly the South as a whole is conservative. What I was responding to though was your assertion that Blacks are conservative in the South because they are surrounded by conservative Whites. I think they can make up their own minds without looking to what Whites are thinking.

[JDPriestly]

93. When everyone around you is conservative and your media is conservative, it's tough to

think independently (and race has nothing to do with it). In the South, regardless of your race, you are surrounded by dumb, conservative media and thought.

[NastyRiffraff]

94. Still sticking with it, are you?

Unbelievable. No matter what you say about race having nothing to do with it, the fact is that you brought up race by claiming that Southern Blacks are conservative because they've been around conservative Whites. Blacks are well able to think for themselves without depending on what Whites think.

[BainsBane]

47. Same as what defines establishment

the only criteria that matters: whether they vote for Bernie.

[YoungDemCA]

90. +1

Ridiculous.

[jalan48]

58. You mean POC aren't exactly alike everywhere?

[gwheezie]

59. I wonder what he meant by that?

I'm reading what some of his supporters think he said, I wonder if this is part of a 50 state strategery?

[Jitter65]

61. It's beginning to sound like Bernie regards blacks who don't vote for him as "pathetic." His words.

[GoneFishin]

67. They are in the deep south, as he said.

[stupidicus]

68. SUrely it's some nefarious thing indicating his racism

as opposed to simple acknowledgement of the work product of polling, like that you supplied for Maryland.

Why do HC supporters miss so much that is plainly obvious?

[George II]

71. Did you hear what he said last night in Minnesota after the SC Primary? I'd probably get a hide...

...if I typed it here.

[yardwork]

72. I'm not sure where he's going with this.

I will say that my wife, who is Latina, is still furious about Sanders' campaign's treatment of Dolores Huerta. It's disappointing to me to see any Democratic candidate who appears to be tone deaf to people of color. We're supposed to be better than this.

[ismnotwasm]

73. K&R

[Nyan]

76. Ya having a good time racebaiting?

[McCamy Taylor]

79. Oh, look. Someone knows how to toss around inflammatory words.

[McCamy Taylor]

78. I know what his self proclaimed "supporters" are trying to suggest

and it is not pretty. There are plenty of reasons a Black (or Latino or Gay or Union member or Asian---the core of the Southern Democratic Party) might choose to live in the South and none have anything to do with a preference for being under the thumb---or ideological control--- of a rich, white master.

And you can no longer claim that it is an agrarian versus industrial economic split. The south is increasingly industrial.

I sense a whole lot of straw grasping going on...at the RNC. If I thought any of this really originated with Sanders or my fellow Democrats I would be outraged.

[mcar]

84. K&R

[wildeyed]

87. More divisiveness.

It's sad.

[brer cat]

88. K&R

[Number23]

89. Damn those OLD Southern BLACKS! They're ruining the world!11 Damn them!!one

((shakes fist at cloud))

[surrealAmerican]

92. Why would Hillary have only gotten 57% ...

... of the black vote in Nevada if she has a "10-1 lead among black voters"?

Either a lot of voters changed their minds in a very short time frame, or Nevada is very different from the rest of the country, or some statistic here is just wrong. If the first is true, they may well change their minds again.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

95. He will also do better with whites who don't live in the south.