Post removed

[ucrdem]

1. Ouch.

It was immediately alerted on too.

[DrDan]

116. and survived - plus has over 50 recs - not a proud moment for the "progressive" DU

[RobertEarl]

124. The OP is wrong

Quote:
"Slamming Black Voters after defeat in South Carolina"

First the other OP in question was not a slam on voters, it was an opinion that stated that the SC vote result should be ignored. No slam on voters, but a huge slam on the racism of SC and the results of SC racism over time upon the oppressed people in that state.

Second it was posted before the vote was known, not after.

So the OP is wrong on both counts.

[DrDan]

127. are you kidding me

"among the most backwards of states with some of the meanest people I have ever met. It is not far from being a slave state again' is not "a slam on voters"????

it was and unfortunately remains a disgusting post

[wildeyed]

131. Now it is famously

disgusting Not a good look for this forum either.

[7962]

140. Sadly a lot of DUers have that opinion about more states than SC!

You dont have to search too hard to see blanket insults of the South in general.

[dogman]

181. I wonder why? Safe Republican

South Carolina was one of only six states to vote for Barry Goldwater in 1964 and has voted Republican since, except in 1976 when it voted for fellow southerner Jimmy Carter. In 2012, Mitt Romney defeated Barack Obama 55% to 44%.
http://www.270towin.com/states/South_Carolina

[7962]

194. Still no excuse to insult the entire region. What about the 44%?

I'm sure you've seen what I'm talking about

[dogman]

212. I see reason for a revolution.

The majority seem content with the status quo. Change is not easy.

[RobertEarl]

142. Me? Kid you?

No. But you may be kidding yourself?

Do you think SC is not festered up with racism?

The OP here is wrong and should be deleted. Besides the fact this is meta.

[ucrdem]

137. No shame in a tactical self-delete. nt

[wildeyed]

149. The recs are illuminating too.

[DrDan]

153. no doubt - I was sorry to see the posted list hidden - anyone reccing that post

should be known to all - disgusting

[RobertEarl]

152. You are right

The author of this OP should delete it.

Not only is it meta it is factually in error.

[GGJohn]

196. Just a heads up, this was alerted on, here are the results.

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

Mail Message



On Sun Feb 28, 2016, 05:00 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

You are right
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1367257

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This poster on a thread that was allowed to stay referred to Black SC voters as "Master/servant style of population." Now he is saying that this post that accurately portrays what he said should be deleated. He needs a time out.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Feb 28, 2016, 05:20 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Whatever the poster's other flaws or virtues, we are discussing this particular post, which seems innocuous to me.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: There is nothing wrong with this post. This sounds more like the alerter doesn't like the poster, so therefore alerted to try to get a hide. Another serial alert here maybe?
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Where's the personal attack? How is this against the TOS?
I suggest that instead of trying to shut down what you don't like, either debate it, debunk it, or ignore it, but quit trying to censor what you don't like, that's the republican way, not ours.

On that note, I vote to leave it.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't get it. This is just an opinion.
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Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

I was Juror #3, whoever alerted now is on 24 hour time out from alerting.

[RobertEarl]

203. Thanks

I am becoming increasingly appreciative of the wisdom of DU's jury system.

I wonder if they'll alert this one?

[GGJohn]

206. LOL, it won't be the person who alerted yours. eom.

[Hekate]

151. So that was your post? I read it at the link and the OP is not wrong. It's a real gem.

Yessir, a real gem.

[MineralMan]

155. You wrote it. You own it.

[RobertEarl]

168. The OP here is wrong

87% didn't even vote. Why?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

200. Ask Bernie. He was supposed to be bringing all these new voters into the field.

He was supposed to be the Revolutionary Candidate who would galvanize Democratic voters.

Instead, he fled SC and all the diverse states in favor of lily white states that are not at all reflective of the Democratic Party demographic.

[RobertEarl]

210. 87 % did not vote

And you blame it on the new guy?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

218. I blame the new guy who calls himself a transformative candidate, a revolutionary change agent.

Why isn't he getting people to the polls, then?

Wait...don't answer that...

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

197. Most certainly was slamming black voters, and very racist, too. That it was allowed to stand is

absolutely abhorrent.

That Sanders fanatics are telling people to ignore black voters in SC is a testament to why Bernie Sanders is losing and will continue to lose as he tours lily white states like Oklahoma and other states with no minorities.

Bernie Sanders fanatics will have to come to terms with the truth:

NO DEMOCRATIC PARTY CANDIDATE CAN WIN ANY NOMINATION WITHOUT THE BLACK AND HISPANIC VOTE!!

Abandoning this principle in Democratic Party politics will spell doom for the Sanders campaign. And his followers have been absolutely despicable with their racism.

I was leaning Bernie Sanders supporter, but I have decided not to vote for him in my state's Democratic Party primary.

[RobertEarl]

216. 87% did not vote

And you blame Bernie?

I'd say the party failed. We all failed.

But the thing is, SC will not help elect a Dem in the GE. SC is not important in the long run.

[PeaceNikki]

230. 87% didn't vote and you want to ignore the ones who DID??

SC is important in the primary.

Deal with it.

[RobertEarl]

239. Hmmm

I used to get TV news out of SC,

I recall that the coverage back then was 90% republican, 9% Hillary, and Bernie was mentioned 1`% as that socialist Yankee.

Gee, I wonder if that made any difference on the oppressed people in SC?

Thanks for making me remember that. See, your posts have made an impact.

[yuiyoshida]

159. It also shows that you may never know who is reading DU

and that any posting on DU could be thrown into a more public Arena..for scrutiny. We tend to think of DU as our own tent, however that's not to mean stuff can't be published else where and reach a more worldly audience. We have seen it happen, and now more frequently.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

195. Seems to be SOP for some Sanders supporters

Served on a couple of juries where there was nothing wrong with the alerted post other than the poster was not for Bernie.

[Ike Y]

229. Shazam

You nailed it!

[BillZBubb]

2. Of course you found that. Looking for any nugget some anonymous "Sanders supporters" said.

You Hillary fanatics are really sweeping the bottom of the barrel.

[FangedNoumenom]

5. +1 nt

[PeaceNikki]

7. There are lots of shameful posts here that deserve to have a spotlight shone upon them.

And there they are, for more to see.

[OKNancy]

9. If you go to the link

You will see the link to the DU thread the author of this piece is talking about.

[emulatorloo]

31. Here's a nugget for you

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511355553

Alerted on, left standing, and recc'd up. You can pretend it isn't happening, but it is.

[grossproffit]

62. 57 rec's and climbing. Disgusting!

[DrDan]

119. 60

[Iliyah]

174. 66

[Gothmog]

172. That thread is very sad

[Starry Messenger]

38. It's a pretty target-rich environment down there.

[vdogg]

108. You didn't have to look far.

It was the top thread for hours....

[DrDan]

118. wow - can't believe you want to shift blame to HRC supporters after that post

and the 50+ recs

[George II]

3. Double ouch! Last night he all but said the voters of Minnesota are smarter than those in SC.

[FangedNoumenom]

8. Stop spreading this fucking lie.

1:32:44

He uses this line at EVERY stump speech.

You Clintonites are utterly despicable.

[desmiller]

29. and Dirty

[7962]

144. Thank you for the link. nt

[PeaceNikki]

4. DU should be mentioned for some of the horrendous stuff being said.

It's shameful.

[obamanut2012]

58. yup

[MADem]

6. How humiliating.

It's embarrassing when we're mentioned in such a poor light.

Maybe there needs to be a bit more vetting, a probationary period, as it were, to prevent us from looking like asses to the big wide world.

[PeaceNikki]

11. Welcome to DU, enjoy your stay. You seem nice.

[FangedNoumenom]

12. Thank you.

[PeaceNikki]

21. It might be time to get a tune up on your sarcasm detector.

[okasha]

113. You again.

Who let you slip through MIRT this time?

Never mind. We know.

[MADem]

14. No, we should vet them to see if they support the goals of this website as

expressed in the TOS.

Have you read the TOS? It's a great read.

I don't happen to think denigrating an entire race of people or an entire state because they didn't do what some want is terribly """" progressive """"" (since that's the Word of The Year, here). In fact, people who do that would be appropriately categorized as bigots.

[FangedNoumenom]

15. Pretending that the black vote is monolithic is far more offensive

I assure you.

[MADem]

25. Look at you--you've been here two days according to your profile--and you're

"assuring" me?

I can assure you that no one of any ethnicity votes for a candidate whose supporters call them stupid.

[BainsBane]

28. Who is pretending that?

The election results are what they are. Unfortunately some are having trouble coming to terms with that.

[nashville_brook]

79. Results of JURY SERVICE --> o-7 LEAVE IT

On Sun Feb 28, 2016, 03:20 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Pretending that the black vote is monolithic is far more offensive
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1366454

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Very derogatory and offensive to black voters

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Feb 28, 2016, 03:29 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This post is perfectly fine. I think the alerter needs a suspension.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: What the post said, basically, is that the black vote is *not* monolithic and that it's offensive to suggest that it is. That's not derogatory at all - quite the opposite. Or does the alerter not know what "monolithic" means?
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: WTF is this alert? Appears to be attack by alert day on the ol DU.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: this is completely un-alert worthy. stop wasting our time!
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: By itself I don't see a problem with this statement
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[TSIAS]

13. Jeez

How do you suggest conducting these investigations. First, the author of the much ballyhooed thread has been on DU for years.

I don't think we need to be demanding documentation in order to post on a message board. I don't think DU has this great reputation that needs protecting. This is a site where people talk politics. The only people who usually use this board to disparage liberals are the likes of Rush Limbaugh and AM talk radio.

[MADem]

20. No investigations needed. But "membership has its privileges."

Perhaps we should get rid of anonymity. I'll bet people would be less impolite if the admins knew who they were and where they live. Right now, the admins only know their donors--all the non-donors could be anyone, or--as is sometimes the case, as we learn from some of the more dramatic PPRs-- the same person several times over.

Some sites DO demand "real name only" and they demand it ONLINE. So you don't even have posting anonymity.

If you "....don't think DU has this great reputation that needs protecting..." then maybe you are part of the problem. People who are invested in this place as a home for thoughtful and intelligent discussion do value this website and don't appreciate that kind of ugly prejudiced discourse. What's worse is that open bigotry wasn't "hidden" as it should have been.

[tazkcmo]

86. I would LOVE to cancel anonymity.

It would please me to no end.

[MADem]

72. Limit access to people who are not members.

A member needs to donate to the site and/or have their real name and address on file.

Non members can chime in but perhaps we should limit their ability to contribute OPs which would reduce their opportunity to say stupid stuff. Take them off jury duty, too--that way we don't have socks who have been here for two weeks passing judgment based on their favored candidate and not any actual offense.

I think it's past time to clean house here. It's getting like DI.

[Phlem]

160. Ah Democracy in it's purest form!

Sounds Democratic to me!

[bahrbearian]

16. LOL you mean this post ?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511355553

[In_The_Wind]

93. That is the post linked to in the article.

[RobertEarl]

17. Heh

My my. I can't help but get the feeling that there are many who think all is fine and dandy in SC. Indeed, one reply to me in the OP said as much.

But all one has to remember is that SC just recently took down its confederate flag, which was flying over their capitol. Things are not good in SC, and its people are oppressed. But it seems there are lots of white people in denial of that.

Besides, just 12.5% of the Democrats in that state actually went to the polls and voted. That tells you something is wrong in SC.

[PeaceNikki]

19. But... You want to oppress them by ignoring their vote

[RobertEarl]

32. No.

SC is just not important in the scheme of the election.

Just 12.5% of the Democrats voted. Really that's kind of embarrassing. Looks bad for the party that so few actually participated.

[PeaceNikki]

35. You CLEARLY said we should ignore them.

[RobertEarl]

41. Ignore the vote result, yes

Because it is not representative of much.

Show me a turnout of above 50% and that would make it more representative. 12.5% is nothing. Actually embarrassing. Nothing to brag about, fer sure.

[PeaceNikki]

48. Please continue telling us how BS is oppressed there because because he's a white male.

Then tell us more about the master/slave mentality with AA Democrats there.

[RobertEarl]

60. Please

Speak for yourself. You speaking for me is getting ridiculous.

I do consider SC to be a state that is not too far evolved from the confederacy.

[UglyGreed]

61. Careful Robert

they got their eye on you

[PeaceNikki]

67. It's right there in your OP which is quoted in the article.

I can't put words in your mouth. They wouldn't fit because your foot is firmly placed in there.

[RobertEarl]

88. Now it's personal attacks?

Good bye. FeeltheBern?

[PeaceNikki]

92. That was not an attack. Your OP which is making the rounds was an attack on AA Democrats.

[RobertEarl]

107. It was an attack on SC

And the racism in SC. And the history of SC and the oppression and the results of that oppression over the years.

Why did 87% of the Democrats not vote?

[PeaceNikki]

130. They "know what's up", you just don't agree.

Nearly every word of this is unbelievably paternalistic, rude, condescending and offensive.

[sufrommich]

73. In the first state where African Americans were the majority

of voters in the Democratic primary,you keep referencing the Confederacy,everyone hears your disgusting dog whistle. It's not that clever.

[RobertEarl]

90. It's the Truth

SC is not far evolved from the confederacy. Until a few months ago they flew that pos flag over the capitol.

I wonder why 87% of the Democrats didn't vote.

[litlbilly]

162. exactly, and 12% voting proves your point, you dont have to answer when you are correct to begin

with.

[brush]

165. You couldn't be more wrong actually

The SC is representative of the delegates Clinton won towards the Dem nomination.

You can pretend it's not representative but we all know better.

[RobertEarl]

167. 87% didn't vote

The delegates equaling 87% should be divided equally.

Why didn't 87% not vote?

[brush]

213. The thing is, she still got the delegates.

Complain maybe to the Sanders' non-voters in that 87% who didn't come out.

The results are what they are and there is no do over.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

214. Neither is Oklahoma, as it is reliably Republican. Neither is WVA as it is reliably Republican...

...but the BS fanatics won't tell you this.

Bottom line: We should not be ridiculing other Democratic voters, regardless of where they live and vote and what state they're in.

[BainsBane]

63. It tells me the revolution

is not proceeding as billed.

[SidDithers]

102. ...

Sid

[iandhr]

150. What I find most amazing is that people like you are so oblivious to the damage you are causing...

... your candidate.


I am a Hillary supporter but I still hold Bernie in high esteem and he doesn't deserve to have his reputation damaged by people like you.


Bernie himself has asked to you knock it off


http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/02/07/3746988/bernie-sanders-tells-berniebros-to-knock-it-off-we-dont-want-that-crap/

[litlbilly]

163. 12% voter turnout is a fucking discrace no matter what what you think. get over it

[redstateblues]

171. I thought Bernie was supposed to drive turnout to historic levels

[Beacool]

208. I think that you're the one in denial if you don't think that this isn't offensive.

"SC retains the Master/servant style of population. Hillary represents the master class well, with her riches and standing. Bernie, being Jewish and a white male has three strikes against him."

You basically told thousands of AA who voted for Hillary that they have a slave mentality and voted for their "masta".

[Hoyt]

18. They were slamming them before too. Either you support Sanders, or screw you. Ask Lewis,

Clyburn, and anyone else who endorsed Clinton.

[BlueMTexpat]

39. Some clearly missed the old saying

about flies and vinegar.

[Loudestlib]

64. Don't act like it's one sided.

Look at how the Hillary supporters are starting to go after Tulsi Gabbard.

oberliner (34,777 posts)
23. Fascinating to see so much praise for Gabbard

How much do folks really know about her, I wonder.

OKNancy (36,760 posts)
16. anti- gay marriage.. and that's my hot-button issue.

So that is what I know. She does not have integrity IMO.

FYI(She was with Obama as soon as he announced his support. It took Hillary a year to find the stones to agree with him.

"I support President Obama's recent announcement in support of marriage equality, and as a member of Congress, I will work to repeal DOMA (the Defense of Marriage Act) and will co-sponsor the Respect for Marriage Act," Gabbard said.)

[840high]

138. .^that

[Jitter65]

164. But it is one-sided as far as the nasty thrashing goes.

Pointing out a person's public record is not smearing.

[wyldwolf]

22. I knew this was coming

[ismnotwasm]

23. Ugh

DU in the same sentence with Reddit. Embarrassing.

[MADem]

27. And that IS the greatest disgrace of all, I think!! nt

[ismnotwasm]

37. It's pretty bad

That's for sure

[brer cat]

83. Sad what we have come to here. smh

[KingFlorez]

24. I fully expected this

Sanders devastating 48 point loss in South Carolina has shown how some of his supporters are not as nice as they would have you think.

[Colorado Liberal]

106. As did I

Hillary's win in South Carolina has shown how some of her supporters are not as nice as they would have you think. Amazing how that works, isn't it?

[KingFlorez]

109. We aren't the ones calling people slaves or dumb or some variation of those insults

[Colorado Liberal]

183. You really believe that?

I think it takes almost no effort to find plenty of instances of Hillary's professed supporters referring to Bernie's as some variation of dumb (most of the insults I see aren't nearly as subtle as the posters seem to think they are).

Both candidates have some number of professed supporters who seem to delight in coming up with "clever" ways to insult those on the other side. I think it's stupid - if either candidate really believes they can win in November without the support of everyone supporting both candidates... well, let's just say I believe that both candidates are smarter than their supporters. At least I hope so.

[Autumn]

26. Wonder what his DU name is?

[drray23]

211. follow the link in the article. the du post is still up.nt.

[Autumn]

234. The guy who wrote the article. I found the link with the OP. nt

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

30. Don't worry, it's only the primaries. Come November, DU will be slamming their white voters

and you'll be joining in on it.

[JimDandy]

96. That was happening a lot here last year, so it wouldn't be anything new.

David Brock of Camp Hillary hard at work dividing up all of us by the color of our skin. Yay Clinton campaign--it's working--just what you wanted!

[UglyGreed]

33. Mati Kochavi

look him up.......

Oh look who is with here.....

[jeff47]

34. Would you like me to point to posts saying Sanders is a Israel-backed Zionist?

It's the internet. You can find anything you look for.

For example, here's where you can find a tutu for your pet hamster.

[840high]

148. Don't forget

"crusty old Jew" as posted by a Clinton supporter.

[fun n serious]

36. The post stays... :(

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511355553

[PeaceNikki]

43. And there it is.

[noamnety]

47. I'm guessing that's the one I alerted on

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: You alerted on a post which was already alerted

Many thanks to whoever was quicker on the alert button than me!

[PeaceNikki]

52. It was pretty nasty.

[NastyRiffraff]

42. Well, it was only a matter of time

before someone in the media noticed. We on DU see the racism and misogyny every single day. I don't include all Sanders supporters, but too many have shown their true colors here, and it ain't pretty.

[sufrommich]

44. Ouch. nt

[liberal N proud]

45. Not surprising

[Tom Rinaldo]

46. I never understand how anyone judges a candidate based on "supporter posts"

Not an hour goes by on DU when I don't find a dozen or more posts that make me wince. We are on the wide open, free for all, uncensored, unscreened, and almost always anonymous internet. Good people lose perspective and get carried away, and bad people pretend that they good people for all kinds of nefarious reasons. It happens all the time.

[BainsBane]

54. The idea should be for supporters

To positively persuade voters to support their candidate rather than making it more difficult. There is nothing irrational about voters not wanting to join a "revolution" whose proponents treat them as inferior.

[treestar]

71. LOL

So you openly admit you think we are inferior persons?

[Tom Rinaldo]

87. Unless you believe that "revolution" or whatever is in your own best interests

And proponents who treat anyone as inferior make it hard to view that question objectively, however you might decide. I've been on both sides of the Clinton partisan divide. I was backing her here on DU during 2008 and I thought some Obama backers acted like they were superior then. But I went through that also in 2004 with different candidates during primary wars. It is ugly static, but that is what it is. Unless the candidate truly is openly and willfully encouraging ugliness, it is my job as a voter to try to see past it to how that candidate will or will not represent my and our nation's best interests. That is always what it comes down to, or should be.

I will only also add that in my experience those of us who back a certain candidate tend not to notice as clearly ugly posts written by those who support the same person against those who support a different candidate.

[brush]

182. Well said. And many feel that condescension and attitude will carry over into a Sanders' White House

and appointments if he is elected.

And that certainly doesn't bode well for AAs

[MisterP]

49. Clintonistas can only ride race when it's a hidden factor

bringing it to the surface breaks the taboo and will get people asking questions like why BLM has to still be protesting only one of the candidates after last August

and SC is absolutely a conservative state: it's a massive factor

[obamanut2012]

50. bless their hearts

[KingFlorez]

51. This is exactly why Sanders tanked

Black voters are incredibly perceptive and the amount of lecturing that Sanders supporters were doing before the primary was condescending.

[sulphurdunn]

94. Really? My experience has been

that black voters are no more or less perceptive than white voters. I suppose trying to warn people, black or white, that they are being suckered again by the Clinton machine is considered condescending in some quarters.

[KingFlorez]

104. So-called warnings were not wanted, because they are indeed condescending

Black people are capable of making sound voting decisions without being warned by people outside of their state.

[sulphurdunn]

176. Darn,

here I thought this was a national election with national political parties. What sounds condescending to me is the notion that black voters in SC shouldn't hear what democratic voters outside of the state are thinking about how they should vote any why. Is somebody worried about something?

[KingFlorez]

179. Not worried about a thing. My candidate won by 48%

That sure sounds good to me.

[sulphurdunn]

191. I know. The Clinton gang has been happier

than pigs rolling in shit. That has nothing to do with why SC blacks voted for them. It's kind of a mystery, but not to different, I think, from trying to explain why so many poor whites vote republican.

[brush]

187. Black voters are much more perceptive of dog whistle politics than white voters who never . . .

experience it.

Duh!

[sulphurdunn]

202. Black voters are as easily suckered as white voters.

The SC vote confirms that. Duh!

[brush]

207. Sour grapes, huh?

[sulphurdunn]

232. Naw, not really.

It's just a statement of fact, and a disappointing one at that. It's a shame that the majority of Americans are still willing to pay more attention to what politicians say than to what they do.

[UglyGreed]

55. Vocativ Brings The Tools Of The Spy World Into The Newsroom

If you were to eavesdrop on social-media conversations all over the world involving the term “NSA” and run a sentiment analysis on the results, you’d probably find that the wire-tapping spy agency is none too popular with just about anyone these days.

A new digital news startup called Vocativ has the technology to run just that analysis. Yet its founder, Israeli-born security mogul Mati Kochavi, invites the comparison. He’s organized his newsroom along the lines of an intelligence agency in the belief that journalism needs to undergo the same transformation that’s already swept the field of spycraft.

“We need to change the way journalism works,” Kochavi says. “It’s not about calling 10 people anymore. What happens when you want to understand what millions of people are saying? Who are you going to interview?”

Kochavi is a multiple entrepreneur whose companies include the security firm AGT International and 3i-MIND, a data-mining outlet whose areas of expertise range from finance to intelligence to urban planning.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2013/10/31/vocativ-brings-the-tools-of-the-spy-world-into-the-newsroom/#628c0c917a17

LOL wonder why they bother slandering Sanders and reporting on forum threads

[azurnoir]

76. so essentially vocativ is an Israeli founded data mining outfit? Ouch indeed

[UglyGreed]

82. We all better be careful

from here on in.......

[azurnoir]

84. Lol I know

[McCamy Taylor]

56. Ouchies.

[Trust Buster]

57. How can you have a revolution when the revolutionaries marginalize

anyone in their Party that doesn't agree with them ? This has to be the weirdest revolution I've ever seen.

[yardwork]

98. It reminds me of some other revolutions, actually. Ones that didn't turn out that well....

[brush]

192. Sorta like the American revolution which was only for white male property owners

Everyone else was excluded.

[Trust Buster]

205. But, how can they think that small states like New Hampshire and Vermont

with predominantly white populations will be enough to establish a revolution ?

[brush]

209. Yep!

[Gothmog]

59. I am not surprised at this

I wish that I was

[zappaman]

65. Lol!

Not surprised that ridiculous, rascist, moronic OP made it elsewhere.

[Snotcicles]

66. Vocativ.com lol This is all you could find? You must exhausted after that search. nt

[silvershadow]

69. wow that looks terrible for a few minor a few of his supporters

wow that looks terrible for a few minor a few of his supporters. says nothing at all about the candidate. This is almost certainly a political hit piece. The Internet is kind of like Alice's restaurant.

[SunSeeker]

70. Yes, that "Master/slave" post is shameful.

[Spazito]

74. Yikes...

Not good for DU at all.

[wysi]

75. K & R

n/t

[mcar]

77. Oh goody, we're infamous!

That OP is shameful as is the jury result to leave it.

[wyldwolf]

78. Skinner may want to get out in front of this...

... these few posts don't represent Democratic Underground.

Same time, shows the failings of the jury system.

[SCantiGOP]

132. I agree

[Live and Learn]

243. Yeah, we probably need a dictatorship instead.

Some here don't think we should allow people that don't agree with them in to their party either.

[shireen]

80. feeling embarrassed for DU

Crap like that is intolerable. WHY is it still up?

[RoccoR5955]

85. Not just the blacks, but the low information voters

of every stripe who voted for Clinton as well.
Then there are those who just want a woman for president. They probably would be satisfied if Carly was in the race as well.
The article also mentioned Reddit. Do you want to go after those Bernie supporters as well?

[sufrommich]

91. There is not one goddamned democratic woman that would vote

for Carly Fiorina,what a moronic thing to say.

[RoccoR5955]

97. Oh, really?

I think you are wrong. I can name at least a dozen. Then again, perhaps you are correct, because the ones that I know are not goddamned.

[obamanut2012]

128. You are mistaken: not one democratic woman

Would vote for Carly or Palin. Not one.

If you know any women who would, then they sure as hell aren't Dems or liberals.

I would tell you how insulting your post is to women, but I think you already know that.

[RoccoR5955]

135. And how do you know that?

Are you a psychic?
I know who I know, and I did not say that they were Liberal either. I didn't say that they were Progressive. They are, in fact CONservative Democrats, who often vote for RepubliCLOWNs. They are registered Democrats. I know, because I see them at local Party meetings.

[Trust Buster]

103. Wow, just wow.

[RoccoR5955]

112. Wow, just wow.

That you have an avatar of a REPUBLICAN!

[sufrommich]

114. Are you freaking serious???

[RoccoR5955]

120. Are you trying to tell me

that Abe was not a Republican?

[sufrommich]

121. Yeah,he was.Back when the republicans were the good guys.

Pick up a history book.

[wildeyed]

141. OMFG!

You are not for real?

[Trust Buster]

133. I have an avatar of one of the most decent men in U.S. history, sir.

He valued the African Americans living in the South.

[RoccoR5955]

136. Yeah, but he was a Republicon

I thought that this was DEMOCRATIC Underground.

[Trust Buster]

146. There is currently nothing Democratic about your behavior.

[treestar]

147. I am laughing so hard

1860! We should not have avatars of Republicans from 1860! Sure, Abe would have been a tea partier if he were around today!

[wildeyed]

161. Stop, stop!!!!

I'm going to pee myself! Honest Abe is a RepubliCON OMG, you heard it here first!

[rbrnmw]

173. LMAO

[BainsBane]

143. The Op isn't "going after" anyone

She isn't the one insulting people who have the nerve to exercise their democratic rights independent of her particular preferences. You are the one condemning the voters of S Carolina and the majority of Americans as "low information voters" because they don't do your bidding. Nor do they claim a vote for the most qualified candidate, possibly in US history, is simply because she is a woman.

That is precisely the kind of reactionary attitude that the article in the OP comments on. I'm sorry you have so much contempt for the rights of your fellow citizens and feel entitled to insult anyone who doesn't vote as you demand.
It is precisely that sort of attitude that shows an abiding contempt for equality, which is far from leftist.

[jeff47]

157. Oh bullshit.

The OP is attempting to conflate all Sanders supporters with some nutjobs. That's why the title of the article is "Bernie Sanders Fans Slam Black Voters After South Carolina Defeat", and not "Some Sanders Fans..."

That is very much "going after" a lot of people.

[yardwork]

226. The OP is a direct quote from an article on another site.

[jeff47]

238. And?

Did evil internet pixies force the OP to use that title? Or otherwise not attempt to tar all Sanders supporters?

[swilton]

89. Total garbage

I read the article in the link above and it did NOT connect to a post on DU.

I know of NO Sanders supporter on this site that has used such disparaging language.

[drray23]

95. maybe you should read this thread then

It is definitely on DU and it is there:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511355553

The author is commenting on it in this thread as well.

[drray23]

99. the link from the article works for me.nt.

[PeaceNikki]

100. It sure does!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511355553

[stevenleser]

101. It's not total garbage. Here is the DU post that article is talking about

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511355553

[spooky3]

111. Here is the post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511355553

It was alerted on and allowed to remain.

[vdogg]

105. Great going DU

Way to represent. unfortunately, this one may go viral.

[DrDan]

110. that was a despicable post - I sent it to BS hq as well - his staff should know how he is being

represented by his supporters

[ismnotwasm]

145. Nope.

[brush]

201. Ahhh . . . you might want to consider that you are not the judge of what is in someone else's . . .

best interests.

[wildeyed]

233. No.

It's rude. At best. Find a better argument or don't talk.

[Cary]

117. Marginal

[great white snark]

125. It's sad to share the same forum with people of that mindset.

[SCantiGOP]

126. Disgraceful

I was in that thread. The person who said that refused to back down.

[basselope]

129. A good friend of mine/employee is from South Carolina...

He says similar things about it all the time.. maybe not in so stark terms, but he always talks about how backwards it is.

[liberal_at_heart]

134. You mean like how Hillary supporters bash white working voters?

[INdemo]

139. Obviously a Clinton Campaign volunteer with a Bill Clinton script

and we have a lot of them here..Which makes DU a much read forum



Are you sure you dont have the Clinton 2008 and Bill's racism mixed into this?

[MaggieD]

156. I hope people reading that article don't think real Dems...

Are like that. So sad to see what DU has become.

[Chicago1980]

158. Supporters of both candidates need to calm the fuck down.

We aren't enemies, but that's how people are acting.

In the end we need to all come together.

I know that there will be a fringe few supporters of both candidates who refuse, but this is much bigger than them.

I don't see how anyone can willingly want to hand things over to the republicans because their particular candidate didn't get the nomination.

It's totally foolish, selfish, and destructive.

Burning down your own house because you didn't like the paint job.

[Phlem]

169. When your told at the very beginning who's going to be the nominee

and it's pounded into your head daily here, and in the media, even though you have a differing view, it becomes abrasive after a while.

So people start reacting to it.

Like physics:

for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

This shit started somewhere.

You're right "We aren't enemies" unless you want to vote for someone else.

[Chicago1980]

184. You mean like back in 2007-08 when then Senator Clinton was the air apparent

and Barack Obama ended up getting the nod?

"You're right "We aren't enemies" unless you want to vote for someone else."

I don't know what you mean by that exactly, but it kind of sounds like you're saying it's your way or the highway...

As I've stated in post after post, I lean Clinton, but if Senator Sanders got the nomination I wouldn't hesitate for one moment to vote for him. NOT ONE MOMENT...

I'm certainly not going to stay home or vote for Trump because he's "anti-establishment" or throw my vote away by writing in a name or going green,

[jeff47]

170. It's not one particular candidate.

I don't see how anyone can willingly want to hand things over to the republicans because their particular candidate didn't get the nomination.

For my entire adult life, my choices have been "Republican" or "Republican lite". Theoretically, one of our major parties shares most of my positions. In reality, they never put up a candidate that does, actively fight candidates that do, and constantly deride me as wanting a pony.

I'm rather tired of that situation, to put it mildly. Especially when the majority of the country (not just Democrats) agrees with me.

I've voted for candidates that were "fringe" in the primary to pump their numbers so that the party would pay attention. I've donated time and money. I've even attempted to get involved with the local party. In return, I get "shut up and vote for us, or the Republicans win!". Heck, the local party took away a seat rather than risk me winning it.

I'm done with being blackmailed. Democratic candidates have to win my vote. "Republicans bad" is only enough to get me to not vote for the Republican. Now finish the fucking sales pitch.

[davidn3600]

175. Considering how this primary was rigged from day 1.....i'm not sure who the real enemy is anymore

[Chicago1980]

185. Like I said,

Senator Clinton was the air apparent back in 2007-08. Was that primary rigged?

She didn't win did she?

[davidn3600]

215. Obama pulled an upset. And the DNC made sure it doesn't happen again

But it goes beyond her....

Think about it. If you are running for president. You just won the New Hampshire primary in a landslide. Yet your opponent you just mopped the floor with leaves the state with more delegates than you.

You want to explain how that's not rigging? No one else had a chance at this nomination. And every Democrats knew that... that's why no one else jumped in.

[Phlem]

178. I think some of the issue is that people started figuring out

the Thirdway after our last midterm spanking, then all of a sudden we must vote for a thirdwayer again, no matter what. Some people see the cycle some people don't.

again

[Chicago1980]

189. And how'd that work out?

It ended up turning the senate over to the republicans and now President Obama can't even get a look at for a SCOTUS nominee.

[Phlem]

220. Exactly.

We played the Thirdway playbook during the midterms to lure in Republican votes and instead, our candidates lost but very progressive legislation won.

We're doing it again.

The party is pretty much torn between two methods of governing, for Corporations or for the People.

Considering the makeup of the Thirdway were investment bankers and the super rich, every scenario that came after their control benefitting corporations and the rich were completely predictable, even today with zero bankers in prison(see Hillary's donors).

Also perfectly explains the disappearing middle class because if there were checks and balances like we used to have, we wouldn't be here.

Economic collusion is what the Thirdway and the Republicans have.

That's why I'm voting Bernie.

[PatrynXX]

177. yeah fellow Blacks slam other blacks for not showing up to the polls. big deal. they shoulda shown

up this happens in november, Trump will win by like a landslide like Reagan

[Madmiddle]

180. Clinton people are behind this.

This is exactly how the Clinton mafia operates.

[RobertEarl]

199. Yep

The OP is a Clinton supporter.

[wildeyed]

222. Yeah.

It is a BIG conspiracy. They are def out to get you. Couldn't possibly be that your OP was out of line.

[RobertEarl]

225. My OP was fine.

Could have been better. And now we have this one talking about that one!

[wildeyed]

240. Your OP was NOT fine.

You're salty and mean because your candidate got annihilated, just fucking KILLED, in SC. And instead of buying a clue, you decide to post something so.... VILE. "Not far from a slave state" WTF? This is WHY your guy lost. This is WHY the black establishment lined up against him, called up ALL the heavy hitters. Because of this kind of nasty, condescending attitude.

[retrowire]

186. No I'm not. nt

[Beacool]

188. I commented last night that the dogs were not just whistling, they were howling.

I guess I'm not the only one who noticed it.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

193. I alerted that post and DU voted to keep it. That's how they really feel about black voters.

As long as we're going along with their program, we're o.k. Knee-grows. But the time we make our own decisions, it's "under the bus" we go.

It's disgustingly racist. And the problem is they claim that it's not racist. It's most certainly IS!

[silvershadow]

198. I wouldn't hang your hat on that argument. It is only reflective of those few members

of the random jury. And we all know a jury is used as a cudgel whenever possible. It's practically in the rules these days.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

204. I would agree with you, except for this: An overwhelming majority of DUers are Sanders supporters...

...and POC DUers have especially been the targets of alerts when they dare stray from the Bernie fanatics' agenda.

I'm not even an HRC supporter, but I've been on several Timeouts and suspended last year. This after being banned by both the HRC and Sanders forum....for simply asking hard questions of the candidates, as I have been neutral in this primary, but leaning Sanders.

I have now decided not to support Sanders after all.

I won't be voting for HRC either.

[wildeyed]

217. I'm so sorry.

I hate seeing what has been going down this primary season. It is ugly.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

219. It has been incredibly ugly! Ridiculously ugly, in fact.

[whereisjustice]

221. lol - a little noticed web site references another little noticed web site. I'll take the imperfect

part of public discourse over the much worse option of authoritarian zealots attempting to control the message.

People have an amazing ability to read between the lines of emotional posts. Too bad they are usually wrong.

Considering that nothing very horrible was actually said, DU should be glad to get the exposure.

Mostly we seem to just post articles other people have written as a proxy to avoid actually expressing a contraversial opinion.

[Cha]

223. Wow! so glad some people are Noticing.. Thank you, Nancy!

The assault extended to the state of South Carolina more generally. One particularly aggressive thread on Democratic Underground said Sanders supporters should ignore the latest primary results, saying South Carolina “is among the most backwards of states with some of the meanest people I have ever met.” It went on to say that South Carolina is “not far from being a slave state again” and “retains the Master/servant style of population.” Hillary represents the master class “with her riches and standing,” while “Bernie, being Jewish and a white male has three strikes against him,” read the post, which was supported by dozens of users on the site, but was also criticized by others.

[FrenchieCat]

231. Combined with this ....

Sanders: "There's no way we're going to lose Minnesota...You are just too smart"
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/27/1492619/-Sanders-There-s-no-way-we-re-going-to-lose-Minnesota-You-are-just-to-smart

Could be seen as a peculiar form of voter intimidation. Not a good look.

[Cha]

245. I know Frenchie.. I wrote about that

@ Bill's site.. It's disgustingly insulting.

Also Haveadream wrote an excellent piece on it from his perspective in Hillary's Group..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110759283

sanders told his supporters they were going to win Nevada, too.. it was a headline in LBN

I'm really appreciative of the voters in South Carolina who rebuffed his campaign.. the post date polling said the Dems and especially the Black voters overwhelming wanted the next President to build on President Obama's legacy. That's pretty damn smart!

[berni_mccoy]

224. You "found" this...

I suspect you (or someone here) wrote it and is making something out of nothing.

[DesertRat]

227. Awful

[Iliyah]

228. Shakes head.

Sad day in the current event.

[davidthegnome]

235. I tried to alert on that one.

Not realizing it had already been alerted on. This is one case in which I feel that the admin should have stepped in and removed it. That post does not reflect the views of Sanders, nor of his supporters as a whole. It is the opinion of one individual - and it is ignorant, and incorrect. Not sure how that one managed to stick around. I don't care which candidate we support, but some posts should be hidden by any juror with a thimble full of decency and/or sense. More than that, all DU members should take a moment to think about what they are posting, before they post it - that particular post should never have made here at DU, it does not belong. That's not who we are.

I hope Skinner and other admin are paying attention right now... some statements made here over the last several weeks should have been removed - and if it requires overriding the jury system, so be it. It's not just this whole Sanders/Clinton thing, but the reputation and the validity of DU - the question of whether or not we are going to allow racist posts to remain here, whether or not that's the kind of forum we want to be.

I urge the person who wrote that post to self delete, the reasons why should be very obvious. There should be limits to how far we carry our anger at each other here, to how far we allow ourselves to go in trash talking.

[PeaceNikki]

236. The author literally just said "it was fine"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511366318#post225

He won't delete it.

[RobertEarl]

244. That's me!!

It could have been better. I'll work harder next time, but no guarantees.

[giftedgirl77]

237. I've seen some pretty messed up threads on here

but that one has been nagging on me since I saw it.

[wildeyed]

242. It's def top 10 material.

[Buzz Clik]

241. We should be so proud. It's one thing to act like this in private, but...

... when this behavior is under a national/international spotlight, DU looks a bit neanderthal.