Disgraceful conservative tactics: Under the bus . . . .

[pdsimdars]

Last week there was some post about Bernie throwing AAs in the south under the bus. . .
Actually, it was BERNIE who was thrown under the bus by those voters. And encouraged to do it by those "leaders" in congress who turned their backs on him. That is the truth of it.
Bernie was arrested fighting for civil rights. In college he took a bus to be in DC for the MLK 'I had a dream' speech and march on Washington. And has kept up that record for 50 years.
Hillary, on the other hand was a Goldwater Girl, campaigning for a man who wanted to repeal the Civil Rights Act and wanted to re-segregate the south.
So, flip your head inside out however you want, but Bernie has had skin in the game for civil rights since the beginning and they threw him out with the bathwater.

[Happyhippychick]

1. For a moment I was hopeful that this was a post attacking conservatives

But again it's more of the same Bernie v. Hillary crap that has made DU a complete cesspool. Too bad.

[Live and Learn]

5. You might try GD then. nt

[Cobalt Violet]

16. Hillary is a conservative.

And her supporters support a conservative.

[pdsimdars]

23. It is a post attacking conservatives

the Clintons.

[pdsimdars]

32. Why are you swimming around here if it's a cesspool?

I mean, if it is a cesspool, shouldn't you be at the country club or somewhere else? Why are you stooping down to the level of the common people?

[Live and Learn]

2. K&R I don't remember who I stole this from but it seems appropriate:

[Live and Learn]

4. There is nothing but truth in that post. nt

[Live and Learn]

7. Then you haven't been paying attention. nt

[pdsimdars]

35. No one ever said they ALL did

Man there are so many supposed progressives who think exactly like conservatives. They pick some tiny, non-existent angle and blow it up like it was the whole statement.
There was a Yuuuuuuge percentage of black voters who voted for Hillary, that isn't all and no one ever said ALL did. They chose to vote for someone who has worked for decades behind the scenes to forward legislation that has done harm to the AA community. Those are facts. So, IMHO, those who voted against someone who fought along side them for their rights and chose Hillary, turned their backs on him and on their own history.

[LanternWaste]

52. Confusing an unsupported allegation with truth is indeed, rather convenient

Confusing an unsupported allegation with truth is indeed, rather convenient I would imagine.

Dogmatic hacks and the irrational voter will most certainly maintain the pretense that bumper-sticker statements are truth if if validates their biases.

And, as there certainly are many dogmatic hacks rewriting critical thought into something a little bit more legitimate and diaphanous than it really is, I can certainly understand your sentiment.

[pdsimdars]

19. Get off your high horse

Bernie himself has said this isn't about him. And this is my opinion and I don't feel I have to run it by you or anyone else.
What I stated were just facts. If you have a problem with facts, I suggest you join the GOP and also become a climate denier.

[JaneyVee]

8. Wow. Hillary was 17 in 1964. She was not campaigning for anybody.

[Jitter65]

13. And guess what. Hillary saw the other side close up and made a conscientious decision to be

Democrat. And has never wavered.

[JaneyVee]

15. And she campaigned for Eugene McCarthy at 18.

Liz Warren was a Repub until she was 40 in 1996.

[pdsimdars]

39. And look at her now.

She is actually pushing PROGRESSIVE legislation with all her might. It isn't about sex or labels, it's about actions. You shall know them by their works.
Whereas Hillary pushes CONSERVATIVE, corporate legislation. . as in the latest, biggest --- TPP.
Bernie has been against ALL those trade deals from day 1. Whereas Hillary has been supporting them all these decades, calling the TPP the "gold standard" of trade deals on 45 separate occassions . . oh, that was until it became unpopular and now, she's evolved (in word only as people close to her say they don't see any distance between her and Obama on TPP).

[JaneyVee]

41. Yeah look at her now, backing Hillary's Wall St. plan over Bernie's.

[pdsimdars]

20. Repblican

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Hillary was a Republican and was head of the Young Republicans at her college. And has never waivered, except in name only.
Typical conservative, trying to re-write historical facts.

[pdsimdars]

24. Hey, learn some facts

It is in her own words (on video) that she was a Goldwater Girl and was campaigning for him. Heard of Youtube?

[sufrommich]

9. So the act of voting now constitutes as

"throwing Bernie under the bus" ?

[pdsimdars]

25. spin it any way you want . . .

when they needed people to support them Bernie was "in it" for them while Hillary was campaigning for a man who wanted to repeal the Civil Rights Act.
And now, people seem to have conveniently forgotten who was with them and who was against them. They turned their backs on a fellow freedom fighter and went with the other side. Laugh all you want. Those were the facts.

[sufrommich]

26. So African Americans are ungrateful?

You run with that.

[pdsimdars]

42. your word not mine

You can try to spin this or mischaracterize it any way you like. But those are the facts of where Hillary was and where Bernie has always been. If those facts shed an unfavorable light on your candidate, that is not my fault, it is not my characterization, it is what happened.
Bernie supported them when it mattered and they chose to vote for someone who did NOT support them when it mattered. You can draw any conclusions you choose.

[Nonhlanhla]

10. So you're saying that a white guy

who worked for Civil Rights deserves the black vote, kind of as a reward for his hard work, as if they had not won their Civil Rights for themselves?

I thought Civil Rights was about African Americans having the right to decide for themselves.

[pdsimdars]

28. How shallow are people?

It never ceases to amaze me.
A people were oppressed and fighting for their rights and one man came to their side and was in the trenches with them and has been for 50 years.
While the other was campaigning for a man who wanted to re-segregate the south and repeal Civil Rights.
And somehow your mind thinks these facts mean nothing?
Just WOW!

It's like someone pushed you down in the mud and one guy comes to help you up while another keeps pushing others down, and when it comes time to choose between the two, you think what they did to you has nothing to do with it?
What kind of brain thinks like that?

[Nonhlanhla]

33. You're saying black people are shallow? !!

Just because they don't agree with your assessment of the two candidates?

Wow, just wow.

[pdsimdars]

43. what "assessment" are you talking about

I stated the facts of the actions taken by Bernie at a critical time in civil rights and also where Hillary was. That is not an "assessment".
And there is also the fact of the percentage of AAs voting for each candidate.
All of these things are on record, they are facts.
In my opinion, those who turned their backs on someone who had been on their side, shows a real lack of respect and appreciation. Simple as that.
What word or words would you use to describe that situation? The situation where someone fights by your side for your family and you choose someone who was on the other side? Tell me, what words do you use?
They turned their BACKS on him and he fought with them and she did NOT.
Spin it however you want to make your mind feel good about supporting someone like that.

[Nonhlanhla]

46. This just keeps getting worse

According to you, the black voters who support Clinton "show a real lack of respect and appreciation."

For God's sake, just listen to yourself.

And yes, you gave an assessment of the two candidates which is not objectively true, because it ignores part of both their records. For example, it ignores the fact the Bernie was so tone deaf about the importance of Obama to the black community that he wanted to primary him. On the flip side your assessment ignores Hillary's long track record of working with African Americans, starting while she was still in college and one of the few white women there working with the black students to hire more black faculty, to mention just one example.

I understand that YOU feel Bernie is the best candidate, but to say that black voters who don't agree with you show a lack of respect for Bernie, is itself disrespectful. How about showing some respect and appreciation for the people who have had to fight for their right to vote, to live with integrity, to be treated with RESPECT?

[vdogg]

11. Yup, this'll change my vote.

Well done.

[LexVegas]

12. Keep this up. It's working.nt

[pdsimdars]

29. working or not working isn't the point

The real point with anything is doing the right thing. Bernie did the right thing and Hillary did not. As has happened so many times in the record.
If you choose to be ignorant of it that is your choice, but people should know who they are voting for, what kind of person.
Hillary seems to do what is politically convenient while Bernie does the hard thing of doing what is right.

[LanternWaste]

55. simply insert candidate of your choice in slot B to create bumper-sticker.

Candidate A always engages in triangulation while Candidate B, doing precisely the same thing, is simply engaging in outreach.

As always, simply insert candidate of your choice in slot B to create another tired bumper-sticker-- because there are not enough of them to fill the vast, vapid, lands of Allegation yet.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

14. Conservative people vote for conservative candidates.

Just be thankful we're getting a bunch of the deep red states out of the way quickly, so Bernie has a chance to rebuild momentum after Tuesday.

[Vinca]

17. That was a real slap in the face for Bernie's lifetime of work.

I have my opinion about why he got such a low vote among AA, but I'll keep it to myself rather than risk a million bashing replies.

[pdsimdars]

30. Be proud, be vocal, get a million bashes

Let people know the facts. Bernie does the right thing even when it is hard to do, while Hillary does the convenient thing.

[Blue_Adept]

18. "What have you done for me lately" is the name of the game with politics

Sanders supporters that only talk about what he did 50 years ago doesn't mean jack to most people. That's the stuff of history books - especially in the hyper fast information age we live in now.

Supporters would be far better off talking about what he's done and accomplished in the past ten years.

[pdsimdars]

22. Like I said in my post

for those who cared to read all the way to the end, he has been doing the same for a whole 50 year record.
Whereas Hillary argued behind the scenes for minimum sentencing, 3 strikes, etc. Bill Clinton was responsible for putting more people in prison than ANY president in history. . .and guess who makes up the biggest percent.
The Clintons have been bad for AAs and Bernie has been good and yet, AAs voted in droves for Clinton. You do the math.

[BumRushDaShow]

34. If he did this as part of his "whole 50 year record"

why did he pick up in 1968 and leave NYC & Chicago, cities with large percentages of POC, to raise a family in an almost all-white state? Something that many AAs did not have the privilege to even do thanks to the housing discrimination that ran rampant then. despite the Fair Housing laws, and continued through the '70s and '80s with redlining.

He essentially ended up being part of the "white flight" that lead to a drain of tax revenue and decimated the people in the very urban areas that he was supposed to be helping. It was the fulfillment of a childhood fantasy that the color his skin allowed him the freedom to pursue.

The irony here being the Clintons lived in a city for at least 11 years (while Bill was governor) with a large population of POC while Bernie ran away from the cities. And in an obvious ploy, Bill moved to Harlem (another black enclave) after his Presidency, where he could have gone back to Arkansas. Was it pandering? Of course. But it also put his face right in the middle of a demographic that has been the most loyal to the party. It was obvious courting for Hillary but that is what politicians do, but it also providing a chance to engage... something that Bernie would have been unable to do in Vermont.

I.e., many AAs see through why these politicians do what they do but the perceptions (how it "looks&quot come into play, regardless of motivation.

[pdsimdars]

44. Wow, just, Wow

Twilight Zone time.

[BumRushDaShow]

49. Odd response. nt

[LibDemAlways]

51. Bill moved his office to Harlem, but

he sure as hell didn't move to Harlem. After leaving the WH, the Clintons bought a home in Chappaqua which, according to 2000 census figures, is 91.80% white. I'd be a little more careful about accusing Bernie of white flight when your candidate chose to live in cushy upper crust Westchester County.

[BumRushDaShow]

53. I know about the mansion that they bought in upstate NY

It was well-posted about here on DU. And she is not "my candidate". She is A candidate running for President in the Democratic party primary. You know what they say about "assuming".

But you admit that Clinton (Bill) made his presence known in the black politic of NYC - despite all the barbs that he took for it when he did it. As a southerner, he essentially dove head first into the midst of the symbolic and historic land of the northern black and undoubtedly picked up a few pointers in the interim given that the black-white dynamic in the south is very different from the black-white dynamic in the north (something that was also discovered during the 2008 SC primary and obviously corrected in the 2016 one).

But the question again is - why did Bernie put down his signs, and pick up his family and flee?

Some of the most vocal activists that shared his ideologies and who chose to move around to other areas of the country, migrated to places where their voices could be heard and things could get done, including places like CA (notably northern in the Bay area), a state far far more diverse than VT. When in VT, what did he do as mayor to promote diversity outside of endorsing Jesse Jackson in 1988?

[Blue_Adept]

36. Again, if supporters only talk about what he did 50 years ago, that's not going to resonate

What has he done in the past ten years, policy-wise, that has made an impact. What has he done prior to announcing his candidacy that got him up front and close to people whose vote he's trying to get?

You can talk Hillary all you want, but that's not what's being asked here.

[72DejaVu]

40. You guys just didn't explain it to them enough times.

Or the "how to talk to black people" training just wasn't up to snuff.

[SidDithers]

21. There it is...nt

Sid

[sufrommich]

27. Yep.nt

[stevenleser]

31. Yep, retch inducing. nt

[LexVegas]

38. +1. nt

[NCTraveler]

37. Winning hearts and minds one comment at a time.

Right now Sanders supporters are Clintons biggest asset.

[pdsimdars]

45. I notice how smug and "victim" Clinton supporters get

When you talk about her actual record. The fact that it is negative is not our fault, it is her fault. She did those things. And to point out her record is not being negative it is being truthful.
And all you have to combat all those bad things in her record, is when they are brought out, you say, "Oh, how mean these people are to tell all those ugly facts."

[NCTraveler]

47. Winning hearts and minds one comment at a time.

Happy Monday!!!!!

[kwassa]

48. What initiative has Bernie taken specifically on racism against blacks in the past 50 years?

I am not talking about indirectly on racism via poverty programs.

Show me that 50 year record specifically on this issue. The lists I've seen are about economics, not racism.

[RobertEarl]

50. Thanks pdsimdars

Notice how the H supporters swarmed your thread and offer nothing but the same old same old?

Just remember that only 8% of the Dem voters in SC voted for H. Just a measly 8%.

And what the real problem is, as you pointed out, a full 87% of Dem voters in SC turned their backs not on just Bernie, but the whole voting process.

Glad that SC is behind us and that in reality the H campaign can't gloat about some major victory. Just 8% is just embarrassing.

[pdsimdars]

57. Nice point and thanks

[YCHDT]

54. Please stop blaming groups of people or sub groups of minorities for not thinking they way you think

... they should.

This is the height of condescension

[emulatorloo]

56. Well said and +1

[thucythucy]

58. I voted for Bernie yesterday

and think you should delete this OP.

Really, the condescension you show toward African American voters is just breath taking.

Please self delete.