DAYUMM! NAACP Dot Scott responds to Bernie phone banker.

[JaneyVee]

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Do they not have any prepared talking points to go to?

ETA: https://www.yahoo.com/politics/how-hillary-clinton-won-the-battle-for-the-black-205650975.html

[2pooped2pop]

1. Perhaps not a lot for Clinton supporters on a tirade

Me, I would have said fuck you. That may be why I haven't phone banked.

[JaneyVee]

2. Hint: the tirade came after the offensive remark.

[KingFlorez]

3. That explain a lot

If one person received a call like this, there likely were hundreds of others. There probably weren't enough to trigger a nearly 50% loss, but things like this can turn people out to vote.

[TM99]

4. I call utter bullshit.

I have phone banked for Sanders. We have scripts. This is not even close to how we do it.

We introduce ourselves and say we are volunteers for the Sanders campaign. We ask them if they are planning to vote in the primary. If they are GOP or say no, we thank them for their time and hang up. If they say yes, we give a little spiel about Sanders and ask them if we can count on their support. If they say yes and strongly, we may ask them to volunteer. If they say they are undecided, we thank them for their time, encourage them to do more research at his site and end the call. And if they say no or are voting for Clinton, then we do the same and end the call.

People might break this script, not everyone is a professional. But when they do, we deal with it. But this whole interchange sound made up based on what I know our actual phone bank scripts are.

And given the lies about 'No English' from Huerta and Lewis' lie about Sanders and his civil rights activism (and then his backpedalling) I am willing to bet dollars to do-nut this is another lying smear.

Keep it up Clinton supporters and surrogates. By the time the fall arrives, if she is the nominee, she will lose in a landslide.

[JaneyVee]

6. You think civil rights icons are the liars?

Keep it up BS supporters.

[TM99]

9. Whether a person is an icon or not is completely irrelevant.

Those two were caught lying.

You can scream all you want that they didn't. And yet, they did.

I have actually met John Lewis. He is a man like any other - not perfect, sometimes foolish, and a wonderful person who fought for my father when you were not even born.

[JaneyVee]

15. Caught lying?

http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/sources-bernie-supporters-did-chant-english-only-at-latina-l#.otWn38r79

Dolores says yes. Name your source who said no.

[TM99]

16. Oh ffs Janey

I am not going to play games with you.

There was video proof, other witnesses, etc.

Buzzfeed? The fucking site with cute kitty photos that my girlfriend sends me to brighten my day is your source?

You drag an un-cited article tidbit over here that when searched for shows up on Stormfront and Reddit to bash Sanders supporters yet fucking again.

I dismiss you with extreme prejudice. You are not even worth the time arguing with.

[JaneyVee]

32. Cool. I'll stick to defending civil rights icons...

I guess you can stick to defending your unnamed anonymous person.

[TM99]

37. Read it and weep Janey.

http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/

CLAIM: Supporters of Bernie Sanders shouted "English only" at civil rights activist Dolores Huerta during one Nevada caucus event, ostensibly objecting to a translation of remarks into Spanish.

FALSE

There are plenty of eye-witness accounts, video proof, and links to all relevant information to completely debunk your talking point.

I particularly like this part --

We examined Nevada State Democratic Party caucus guidelines with respect to general procedure, and were unable to locate any specific procedural policy about translators. If such a provision was codified, it wasn't available in caucus-related instructional material.

However, caucus policy documents published by the Nevada State Democratic Party in 2008 [PDF] and 2016 [PDF] appeared to favor the objections to Huerta's participation after the caucus was called to order, because of her clear identification as a campaign operative, advocate, volunteer, or surrogate. (Below, Huerta speaking outside the caucus on 20 February 2015, wearing a Clinton campaign t-shirt and hat):

Only eligible, registered caucus participants may participate on caucus matters or elections ... Campaign Staff and campaign volunteers that are observers will not be allowed to communicate, signal, or instruct the eligible caucus participants once the caucus is called to order by the Temporary Chair ... Anyone may attend the caucus as an observer but may only observe and may not participate or attempt to influence the caucus in [any way] if they are not eligible to caucus.

[JaneyVee]

39. Mmm hmm.

Snopes. Hilarious. An entire article and they still cant prove her wrong.

[TM99]

41. Yeah, mmm hmmm, that's why it was rated as False.

Keep spinning Janey, that's all you got. Cause it sure ain't facts.

[Promethean]

58. Authoritarians can be easily identified

by siding with authorities no matter what. They are willing to trample any ethical or moral position because the authority is of overwhelming importance.

[TM99]

62. Cults of personality are involved

with that as well.

I see that quite often from supporters of a certain candidate and then project that onto another.

I will let you guess which these are.

[Blue State Bandit]

63. It's called video evidence.

She had no place on that stage, and "clarified" her accusation after.

[whatchamacallit]

25. Or what?

Hillary supporters will work even harder to divide democrats and the country at large by race?

[Lizzie Poppet]

35. As if being a "civil right icon" means you can't be full of shit.

Fucking hilarious...

[RoccoR5955]

56. No, but I do believe

that there is something nefarious going on. Either opposition, or RepubliCLOWN. Either way, it stinks on ice. I know that we have scripts when we phone bank.
I also believe that an awful lot of folks have been duped into voting for a corporatist.

[KingFlorez]

10. People break the script and sometimes get out of control

Phone bankers cannot be controlled and judging from similar talking points about welfare being used around this place, I don't doubt that this story is true. This woman had absolutely no reason to make this story up, none at all.

[TM99]

12. Why not?

Huerta made up the 'No English' Tweets. Lewis made up stuff when he implied Sanders was not a civil rights activist. Capeheart made up shit when he went on MSNBC and said photos of Sanders were not Sanders.

[KingFlorez]

17. I disagree about those incidents, but this thread isn't about those

Considering that we've seen Sanders supporters online mention welfare as a reason that black voters should support Sanders, it's plausible that a phone banker used that logic with someone they called.

[TM99]

18. So you and I are at a stalemate.

You have seen one thing that suggests it is plausible she is not lying.

I have seen other things that suggest it is plausible that she is lying.

You could likely find proof of your assertions and present them as evidence. I can do with regards to my assertions. But neither of us can prove this true or false. There is no record. There is just her word. Huerta tried the same thing. But video proof and other witnesses showed that her words were lies.

I doubt this occurred.

[UglyGreed]

36. The only time I read about welfare

on DU is when it was mentioned in reference to Bill Clinton's welfare reform stating it hurt women and children which I assume it did.......

[TM99]

44. Now a days welfare on DU

is just 'free stuff', and we can't have that, now can we?

[Arazi]

22. I've phone banked too and am going again in an hour or so

My script is exactly what you have TM99 but I'll snap a photo of it today and figure out how to post it later.

There's nothing about "welfare" there and certainly if the person on the phone is a HRC a supporter you wish them well and say good bye.

This smells imo. I'm not ready to say she's lying but her accounting of the conversation goes 180 degrees from the materials

[JaneyVee]

33. I actually DO NOT believe the script had...

Anything about welfare in it. I am comfortable with the explanation that this was an off script comment.

[farleftlib]

46. Agreed. This reeks of bullcrap

or psyops. I doubt this ever happened. It's part of the campaign to discredit Bernie's cred because Hillary has NONE.

[Doctor_J]

23. Methinks either ms Scott is a liar (there are lots of those in camp weather vane), or the call

Was made by a republican or Hillarian.

[TM99]

26. It just doesn't pass the smell test.

And given the OP has a tendency to post 'news' from Buzzfeed and this little un-cited nuggets, which I found on Stormfront, I am sure she had no intention of stirring the pot.

[Arazi]

28. This is from Stormfront? I noticed there's no link for this

I just asked for that down thread but if you've already found it, I'd be interested in seeing it in context

[TM99]

29. The original appears to be from Yahoo News

yet another bastion of journalistic integrity, and I saw this article pushed on Reddit and Stormfront. So yeah, when I see an article from Yahoo that no one else is pushing but Reddit and Stormfront members are, then I tend to smell a rat.

[HooptieWagon]

31. Yep, calling bullshit here too.

Sounds like a dirty trick by Correct the Record PAC....something they would do.

[JaneyVee]

34. Why would a public figure of the NAACP lie?

[HooptieWagon]

45. Why would a caller lie?

And of course we already KNOW several Clinton surrogates have lied. So at this point I don't trust any claim, just as I don't trust her.

[TM99]

53. Why did Huerta and Lewis lie?

Because we are all human and get caught up in the zeal of electing our preferred candidate?

Or maybe some are willing to risk their long-time reputations in order to win at any cost.

[mythology]

48. At the absolute worst, it was a volunteer having a crappy day

This is in no way the Sanders approach. I don't know enough to say if I think she made it up, or if there is some middle explanation, but it sounds highly dubious to me.

[SidDithers]

5. I think the problem is that those are the prepared talking points...nt

Sid

[JaneyVee]

8. I actually laughed out loud.

It was a short laugh, but an actual LOL.

[brooklynite]

7. Beyond the foolish background assumption ("how could you POSSIBLY not vote for my candidate?").....

....the response was remarkably inefficient. I've read the Sanders phone bank script (assuming the volunteer wasn't just winging it), and you're supposed to say "thank you" and go on to another call. It is inefficient of your time (and the campaigns) to question the motives of a voter.

The Sanders campaign is being fairly open-minded in letting it's volunteers work on their own; I'm wondering if they're foregoing training in favor of enthusiasm.

[JaneyVee]

11. It probably was a lack of training thing.

This has nothing to do with Bernie, probably just an inexperienced phone banker.

[Nanjeanne]

13. Silly season. Dot Scott's point? BAAAAAD Bernie phone banker. The end.

[snagglepuss]

24. I wouldn't legitimize this smear. Too coincidental that this call,

this particular offensive call happened to be made to Dot Scott. Someone could've easily called Scott and pretended to be be calling for Sanders.

[oasis]

14. How insulting can you get?

[GeorgeGist]

19. Cool story, Dot.

[Skwmom]

20. How do we know it was a person who supported Sanders and not a political dirty trick?

Answer: We do not. Would I put it past the Clinton campaign? Answer:

[Doctor_J]

21. Bullshit

Good God, is there nothing too idiotic that hillarians won't say it or believe it?

[Arazi]

27. Can you post the link for this? Thanks eom

[JaneyVee]

42. Here:

Long read. Far down the page https://www.yahoo.com/politics/how-hillary-clinton-won-the-battle-for-the-black-205650975.html

[tularetom]

30. "I'm...a college graduate. I've got a masters....I ain't never lived in public housing."

The jokes just write themselves.

That story is utter bullshit.

But its funny!!

[Vinca]

38. In all fairness, it could have been Trump University.

I agree. Total BS.

[JaneyVee]

43. Are you calling the head of NAACP dumb?

[JI7]

40. considering welfare is one of the things always brought up here

as a reason for why black people should vote a certain why it's not that hard to believe it happened .

[MaggieD]

47. That's typical as we've seen here

It's no mystery to me why AA aren't voting for Bernie.

[kristopher]

49. It was probably a Brock Bank sleazist undermining a better candidate.

[Bluenorthwest]

50. A straight DU Hillary supporter back in December told LGBT DUers that Hillary owns us.

"LGBT. Last I heard, Hillary owned this portion of the base. LGBT believe that she is a member of this portion of the base. All Your LGBT Base Are Belong to Clinton, and Sanders would be advised to not even waste his time on this one."

Did DU's Hillary supporters balk at that exploitation, the majority speaking for a minority as if they had that standing? No, they did not. They enjoyed that thread. That OP spoke for just about every group you can imagine, all owned by Hillary:
" All Your Female Base Are Belong to Clinton (and Will Always Belong to Clinton). Period. That is not to say that some women will not vote for Sanders. Some women will also vote for the GOP nominee. Some would vote for David Duke."

"Blacks. As Toni Morrison said, Bill Clinton was the first Black president--until Obama was the first Black president. Hillary is married to one of these man, and she was Secretary of State for the other. In addition, she is Obama's anointed successor."

"All Your Latino Base Are Belong to Clinton. Sanders had better pick himself a Latino running mate pronto if he plans to compete for this demographic. Or better yet, suddenly discover that one of his parents is Hispanic."
(note the use of the word 'pronto' which is tacky)

The Jews really get the best one, it features genocide, Rawanda and Hitler....
"Hillary Clinton has shown a willingness to commit US ground troops in order to combat genocide. Bill was the one who vetoed sending troops to Rwanda, if it was up to Hillary we would have been there in Africa saving lives. And even if she did not actually dodge bullets in the Balkans stopping a genocide, she and her daughter were there on the ground showing their support for a mission that the GOP hated because it was not intended to prop up the price of oil, it was supposed to save lives. Sanders, on the other hand, is running as the No War, Not Ever candidate. Never, Bernie? Not even to stop another Hitler?"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251603541


So yeah, you guys are pure class, never insensitive and never exploitative of groups you are not part of !!!! The sweetest, kindest campaigners ever.
The thread is devoid of complaints from you or other Clinton supporters. This is back in September. She owns gays. Said some straight person, Jews, Bernie wouldn't fight Hitler! Latinos, they dig Castro so much that they belong to Hillary, much like chattel or small change.
But hey, this is a good bit of gossip you offer, while I'm offering the written record of DU.

[alcibiades_mystery]

51. Good God

[jalan48]

52. Bernie and his supporters are all insensitive racists. We get it. Can we talk about the issues now?

[valerief]

54. How generous of you to taint all Bernie supporters with a Hillary supporter's anecdote.

Cuz freedumb.

[modestybl]

55. More HRC Trolling..

This is not what Sanders phonebanks do, this post is complete bullcrap.

[Carlo Marx]

57. I guess having a candidate who opposed welfare reform calling him set him iff a bit.

His candidate helped drown welfare in the government killing bath tub.

[nyabingi]

59. Yeah, OK

It doesn't really matter what supporters of Bernie Sanders say, but what Bernie has to say. Thus far, I've only heard and seen good things from Bernie the man.

What I've heard from Hillary is disgusting, and those are the words that people should be paying attention to.

[William769]

60. Kick & very highly recommended!

[azurnoir]

61. Nice story :)

[Arazi]

64. Ok, I just got back from phone banking for Bernie

i was calling Louisiana fyi

There's literally NO place to insert a do it yourself comment after a person has identified themselves as a HRC supporter. You thank them for their time and hang up. That's it. The directions are explicit and if you didn't read it, the staff tells you outright to thank them and hang up without any further dialogue

The times I've phoned before someone has been "supervising" because there's always newbies and today was no exception- the newbies are not just unleashed, the staff hovers around them as they're calling to ensure nothing goes wrong.

I did not get a screen capture because Hubdialer.com crashed at @ 6 pm in the office I was at. The staff immediately shifted to paper lists (people who had called or spoken with staff at different events locally) instead of the automated calling program, and I was shifted to putting together yard signs.

I will be back tomorrow and will get a screen shot first thing instead of waiting til last thing but I call phony baloney on this story