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Mon Feb 29, 2016, 07:28 PM

Hillary was offered a private briefing on Iraq Before her Vote - By an expert and passed

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-ritter/hillary-clinton-iraq-war-vote_b_9350340.html

The Meeting That Never Was: One UN Weapons Inspector's Effort to Educate Hillary Before Her Iraq Vote

Scott Ritter

Hillary Clinton was my Senator in 2002, and as a constituent who possessed unmatched qualifications on the issue of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, I felt I had a duty to brief her; and as her constituent, she had a responsibility to give me a hearing. But she never did.

America heads to the polls tomorrow as part of "Super Tuesday," and supporters of Hillary Clinton hope they will be able to cement the inevitability of her status as the Democratic Party's nominee for president of the United States with an impressive victory. Politicians like to live in the moment, and Hillary Clinton is no different, cloaking herself in the aura of a woman who is well positioned to make the hard choices of governance based upon her "experience, wisdom, skepticism, and humility." But Hillary's "moment" was shaken to the core by the resignation Sunday -- two days before the "Super Tuesday" contests -- of Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard, a veteran of the Iraq War, from her position as vice chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee.

Tulsi Gabbard's resignation came at the same time she announced her decision to throw her support behind Hillary Clinton's rival for the Democratic Party nomination, citing "the necessity to have a commander-in-chief who has foresight, who exercises good judgment ... who looks at the consequences of the actions they are willing to take before they take those actions so that we don't continue to find ourselves in these failures that have resulted in chaos in the Middle East and so much loss of life." Tulsi Gabbard, in looking toward the future of America post-Barack Obama, has refused to allow the politics of the moment to blind her to the reality of the past, and in doing so has shined a spotlight on an issue Hillary Clinton wishes would go away -- her vote in support of military action against Iraq in 2002.

"I have a much longer history than one vote, which I said was a mistake because of the way that it was done and how the Bush administration handled it," Hillary has said, trying to explain away her actions. The issue at hand, however, isn't simply one vote, but rather the processes behind the casting of that one vote which shed considerable light on the judgement of the individual involved. This isn't the first time I've called out Hillary Clinton on the utter hypocrisy of her vote to authorize military force against Iraq in 2002 -- in early 2007 I wrote a piece for AlterNet that addressed my concerns then, on the eve of her first bid for the Democratic Party nomination.

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Reply Hillary was offered a private briefing on Iraq Before her Vote - By an expert and passed (Original post)
Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 OP
Politicalboi Feb 2016 #1
AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #47
Autumn Feb 2016 #2
PoliticAverse Feb 2016 #3
hifiguy Feb 2016 #15
NWCorona Feb 2016 #16
SamKnause Feb 2016 #4
hifiguy Feb 2016 #14
Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #51
peacebird Feb 2016 #5
NWCorona Feb 2016 #18
peacebird Feb 2016 #20
msanthrope Feb 2016 #28
KeepItReal Mar 2016 #46
msanthrope Mar 2016 #53
Qutzupalotl Feb 2016 #6
jfern Feb 2016 #7
thereismore Feb 2016 #8
procon Feb 2016 #9
gregcrawford Feb 2016 #22
VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #26
Happenstance24 Feb 2016 #10
PaulaFarrell Mar 2016 #45
farleftlib Feb 2016 #11
Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #12
hifiguy Feb 2016 #13
moondust Feb 2016 #17
AzDar Feb 2016 #19
Freddie Stubbs Feb 2016 #21
msanthrope Feb 2016 #25
Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #50
msanthrope Mar 2016 #54
Freddie Stubbs Mar 2016 #56
elmac Feb 2016 #23
msanthrope Feb 2016 #24
delrem Feb 2016 #29
msanthrope Feb 2016 #32
delrem Feb 2016 #34
msanthrope Feb 2016 #37
delrem Feb 2016 #39
msanthrope Feb 2016 #40
delrem Feb 2016 #42
msanthrope Feb 2016 #44
delrem Mar 2016 #61
delrem Feb 2016 #27
Broward Feb 2016 #30
delrem Feb 2016 #31
NWCorona Feb 2016 #33
delrem Feb 2016 #35
NWCorona Feb 2016 #36
Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #49
leveymg Feb 2016 #38
polly7 Feb 2016 #41
SidDithers Feb 2016 #43
msanthrope Mar 2016 #55
Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #48
Jitter65 Mar 2016 #52
Wilms Mar 2016 #57
Freddie Stubbs Mar 2016 #58
Wilms Mar 2016 #59
Orsino Mar 2016 #60

Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 07:33 PM

1. She thought the war was going to be

 

Her moment in the sun.

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Response to Politicalboi (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:35 AM

47. But it looked so good on paper ...

 

Worst foreign policy decision in American history.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 07:36 PM

2. Of course she passed on that meeting.

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 08:52 PM

15. Whistle Ass' poodle.

 

What a disgusting piece of shit Tony bLIAR is.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 09:02 PM

16. And at one point I admired him

How times change

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 07:39 PM

4. A vote for Hillary is a vote for wars, invasions, coups, and regime changes.

Why do her supporters continue to ignore her intentional or unintentional

poor judgment ???

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Response to SamKnause (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 08:51 PM

14. Neoliberal economics combined with a belligerent, hawkish neocon foreign policy.

 

Welded at the hip to the banksters and the MIC. What's not to love?

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Response to SamKnause (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 06:16 AM

51. It's intentional, to be sure.

She has supported the MIC her entire life.
She has no intention of stopping now.


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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 07:40 PM

5. Good grief. How callow. Why would anyone skip a briefing with the folks who had actual knowledge?

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Response to peacebird (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 09:05 PM

18. plausible deniability

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Response to NWCorona (Reply #18)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 09:08 PM

20. Knowingly sending troops into harms way after refusing to attend briefing...? Disgusting.

I Will Never Vote For This Callow Creature

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Response to peacebird (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:44 PM

28. She didn't skip a briefing. He showed up at her office. She wasn't available. nt

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #28)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:34 AM

46. And never made herself available to THE FOREMOST UN Weapons Inspector on the ground in Iraq

Who also was a Marine officer.

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Response to KeepItReal (Reply #46)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 07:48 AM

53. At the time, he wasn't working anymore for the UN...nor did the UN send him. nt

 

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 07:47 PM

6. Outrageous.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 07:50 PM

7. She didn't bother to read the intelligence report either

Bob Graham and Dick Durbin pushed for an intelligence report to be made available to Senators and urged Senators to read it. they voted no.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 07:57 PM

8. The annointed one knows best. She has superior

judgement. Did you notice her weasel wording? It was a mistake because of the way it was done.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 08:19 PM

9. I stopped fact checking the author when I read his history of "soliciting minors for sex".

"In 2001 Ritter on two occasions was detained and later arrested on charges of soliciting minors for sex on the Internet that were both dismissed. He was arrested on similar charges in 2010 that led to a conviction and sentence of one and a half to five and a half years."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Ritter





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Response to procon (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:35 PM

22. As repulsive as his sexual proclivities most definitely are...

... that is no way negates his knowledge and expertise regarding the lies and fabrications that led us to war in Iraq.

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Response to gregcrawford (Reply #22)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:41 PM

26. And to think these people were saying to not shoot the messenger a few days prior...

...Ritter's disgusting proclivities aside, something reeks of hypocrisy in Camp Weathervane.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 08:26 PM

10. Meanwhile back in 2016....-nt-

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Response to Happenstance24 (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:23 AM

45. tell that to the Iraqis

They are SO over 2003

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 08:32 PM

11. She wanted to get her war on

 

Period. This, like so many other things we've learned about her, is indefensible.

She lacked the moral fiber to stand up to the schoolyard bully, now she wants a pass because she says she didn't know he was lying. Well, I did, and I didn't have any experts with inside knowledge knocking at my door.

K & R.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 08:44 PM

12. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Ferd Berfel.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 08:50 PM

13. That vote was an act of craven, disgusting political ass-covering,

 

utterly devoid of conscience, as brimming with hypocrisy and self-serving back-patting as anything I have ever seen in my adult life, and that stretches back to Richard Nixon.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 09:05 PM

17. She was tough. She didn't back down.

She wasn't afraid. Strong leader. Fearless. Taking on the terrorists.

Wow.


Great imagery! Will make a great campaign ad someday.






Except...some of the worst judgment in U.S./world history.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 09:07 PM

19. Ugh.

 

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 09:19 PM

21. Scott Ritter is a convicted sexual predator:

Verdict: Ex-UN weapons inspector Ritter guilty of all but one count in sex sting

Former U.N. chief weapons inspector Scott Ritter has been found guilty of unlawful contact with a minor and five of six other charges after a three-day trial in Monroe County Court on charges stemming from an online sex sting. He was acquitted on a criminal attempt charge

Ritter's 18-year-old twin daughters covered their faces and began sobbing while their mother tried to console them as the verdict was read. He faces up to seven years in prison on the most serious of the charges.
Monroe County Court Judge Jennifer Sibum gave Ritter until the end of the business day Tuesday to come up with $25,000 bail or he will be placed in Monroe County Correctional Facility until he posts that amount. The ever-stoic Ritter and his family and attorneys then left the courtroom, making no comment to reporters.
The jury deliberated for more than seven hours Thursday after the prosecution and defense both gave closing arguments in the morning.

Ritter, 49, of Delmar, N.Y., masturbated on a Web camera and engaged in a sexually graphic online chat with an undercover Barrett Township police officer posing as a 15-year-old girl in 2009.

more: http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110414/NEWS/110419856/-1/NEWSMAP

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:41 PM

25. Four times over. There's four incidents we know of. Nt

 

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Reply #21)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 06:15 AM

50. That was in 2009, 7 years after Hillary voted for the Iraq War.

And one doesn't have a damned thing to do with the other.

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Response to Major Hogwash (Reply #50)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 07:50 AM

54. Actually, the four incidents we know of.....one predates Iraq. He's been at this a while. nt

 

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Response to Major Hogwash (Reply #50)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 08:34 AM

56. It certainly speaks to his credibility and his mental stability

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:36 PM

23. How could anyone do such a thing??? Very sick

 

Vote to invade a country that had nothing to do with 911

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:38 PM

24. Sorry...But I don't believe anything that comes out of the mouth of a convicted and confessed child

 

predator.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:47 PM

29. You think maybe

stuff that comes out of the mouths of 50yr old POTUS's re. diddling with a 23yr old intern is more down your alley?
You know, that narcissistic loony tune who victimized the POTUS?

Is that far enough down your alley?

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Response to delrem (Reply #29)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:50 PM

32. Consenting adults aren't my business. But Ritter's had four run ins with the law involving minors.

 

I wouldn't believe a word out of the mouth of a confessed and convicted sexual predator.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #32)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:57 PM

34. Yah, there's a degree of difference, for sure.

Ritter's guilt has no bearing on HRC's innocence of all charges w.r.t. her Iraq war vote.
Some people just want to know why. We're talking a million dead, now, in this escalating situation.
Some people want to know why HRC escalated the conflict by taking out Libya.
It really makes no sense, given the surrounding context, unless one's intent is to further inflame the PNAC wars and escalate them to take out even more countries. Like Syria. And HRC has made it crystal clear that Iran is in the cross-hairs, after Syria, so ...

You like that, msanthrope? You like the rivers of blood flowing as effluent after the war profiteers have their way?

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Response to delrem (Reply #34)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:01 PM

37. Well, rivers of blood tend to stain, so no, I don't like them. I also don't like hyperbole....Ritte

 

showed up at her office one day, without an appointment, she wasn't available.

I am sure that when John Kerry ran, you invoked the rivers of blood and did not vote for him, right?

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #37)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:08 PM

39. I'm appalled by the disdain for life that your post describes.

And the pretense of it.
I'm appalled by the amorality of the mindset that could excuse and promote the continuing bloodbath, while deriding those who don't.

But that's the ... occasion ... that Hillary's supporters offer me on DU. To meet with you.
Good day to you.

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Response to delrem (Reply #39)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:12 PM

40. Lighten up, Francis! Nt

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #40)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:15 PM

42. No, not for Hillary Clinton's war profiteering buddies, I won't.

On some issues I take an absolute stand.
I did back in Henry Kissinger's heyday, too. I hated the fucker. I hated the fucker with a vengeance the moment I heard of him, way back when.

So no, I' won't lighten up and pretend that the rivers of blood are so much kool-aid.

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Response to delrem (Reply #42)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:18 PM

44. You've gone from blowjobs to rivers of blood. I'd switch to decaf. nt

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #44)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 09:50 PM

61. That was Bill and Hillary who went from blowjobs to rivers of blood. Not me.

It's you who loves you some war.

I bet you don't even bother to count the dead.
Not like you care.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:43 PM

27. I guess because she's vice-chair of the DNC this is extra significant.

She sounds like a woman for whom lives matter, and not just fat profits from selling cluster munitions, and backing wars that use them.

Nice to know that some people in the USA actually care.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:48 PM

30. Her vote was based on political expediency only.

Therefore, no need for her to talk with Ritter.

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Response to Broward (Reply #30)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:50 PM

31. She set up a private information flow.

There was no need for her to talk with anyone.

Not even the gov't of the USA.

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Response to delrem (Reply #31)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:53 PM

33. I'm gonna assume that was sarcasm

Hopefully 😀

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Response to NWCorona (Reply #33)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:59 PM

35. It was a statement of fact.

That's what the FBI investigation is about, you see?
It isn't something that one can pretend doesn't exist, so doesn't exist, as if it were a magic pony.

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Response to delrem (Reply #35)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:00 PM

36. Until it does exist.

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Response to Broward (Reply #30)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 06:02 AM

49. Hillary didn't read the NIE, either.

She was "briefed" about it by her aides.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:03 PM

38. Both of them are so corrupt there is no truth between them about Iraq WMD

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:15 PM

41. She freaking wanted that war. Many who were paying close attention

said so at the time. She can apologize a thousand times, it won't make up for the mess of human suffering she helped create by publicly pushing for it and voting for it - and this, ignoring someone who knew about Iraq's weapons capability.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:17 PM

43. Scott Ritter...



What's he doing now?

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #43)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 07:53 AM

55. I think he's still on parole. Might have completed it though.nt

 

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 06:00 AM

48. Hillary called that vote the most important vote in her short career.

Let's hope that because of the way she voted, it shortens her career.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 06:22 AM

52. I believe Scott Ritter publicly warned all those hundred + who voted to support Bush's invasion.

 

But then, it was only Hillary's vote that turned the vote FOR the invasion. She is breathtakingly powerful That is why she should be President.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 08:50 AM

57. "Facts are stupid things."

 

-R. Reagan

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Response to Wilms (Reply #57)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 01:39 PM

58. Here's a fact: Scott Ritter is a convicted sexual predator

Verdict: Ex-UN weapons inspector Ritter guilty of all but one count in sex sting

Former U.N. chief weapons inspector Scott Ritter has been found guilty of unlawful contact with a minor and five of six other charges after a three-day trial in Monroe County Court on charges stemming from an online sex sting. He was acquitted on a criminal attempt charge

Ritter's 18-year-old twin daughters covered their faces and began sobbing while their mother tried to console them as the verdict was read. He faces up to seven years in prison on the most serious of the charges.
Monroe County Court Judge Jennifer Sibum gave Ritter until the end of the business day Tuesday to come up with $25,000 bail or he will be placed in Monroe County Correctional Facility until he posts that amount. The ever-stoic Ritter and his family and attorneys then left the courtroom, making no comment to reporters.
The jury deliberated for more than seven hours Thursday after the prosecution and defense both gave closing arguments in the morning.

Ritter, 49, of Delmar, N.Y., masturbated on a Web camera and engaged in a sexually graphic online chat with an undercover Barrett Township police officer posing as a 15-year-old girl in 2009.

more: http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110414/NEWS/110419856/-1/NEWSMAP

Does this sound like a mentally stable person whose word should be accepted as fact?

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Reply #58)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 01:49 PM

59. Lemme ask you something, Fred.

 

Is the story THAT hard to believe??

We're you one of those who heeded the word of the bush admin? I wasn't. And that was the easy part. Trying to figure out why so many fell for it is the hard part.

She other didn't realize, in which case she's incompetent. Or she did know, and lied.

Guess who I call a LIAR. Go on, Fred. Shocking, I know. Hillary is a LIAR.

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Reply #58)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 01:51 PM

60. Did he get sentenced to stand in Iraq while it was bombed or something?

Is the claim really that Clinton is just that prescient?

Or is the jury willing to consider that her vote for war might have a foregone conclusion?

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