Hillary fans - could Hillary do anything wrong in your eyes?

[revbones]

Seriously. I want to know and I'll explain why if any are interested.

I think that the Clintons suffered a lot of crap right-wing smears and fake scandals. I think that because of that, and the constant drumbeat by the right-wing that Hillary's supporters have become immune to any possible negativity about her.

I personally see a lot of issues, but rather than mention my own thoughtsopinions, I would really like to know if you think she lives up to the ideal that many of you seem to espouse on here.

In other threads, I see comments that amount to "But someone else did it too" or that sweep away any hint of impropriety without any regard to facts. I see a LOT of attacking the messenger. I literally saw "It's her turn" which was quite shocking to me. While I haven't been here that long, I did lurk for quite some time over the years and I have yet to read a single comment by any Hillary supporter to the effect of "Oh, I didn't know that. Wow. I guess she messed up on that one."

From my perspective it's become quite cult-like, but I'm trying to step back from my thoughts on it and am asking now whether or not that's the case.

[daleanime]

1. ......

[Lucinda]

2. I don't agree with her on everything. I don't have to, to know she is miles more

qualified than anyone else.

[revbones]

3. Ok. I'll bite.

So what do you disagree with her on?

[JonLeibowitz]

4. John Kasich is also the most qualified GOP candidate currently running.

In 2012 Romney was a very qualified candidate running for the GOP nomination.

What's my point, you ask? Ideas matter too.

[tularetom]

5. Being around for a long time

does not make one more qualified than anyone else.

What are some of her accomplishment?

Being FLOTUS, US Senator, and SOS, are positions, not accomplishments. What has she done that improved your life?

[kerry-is-my-prez]

13. She was the first person to come out for universal health care. This helped Obama to get obamacare

Through. She was attacked and demonized but stuck to her guns.

[Armstead]

18. She screwed up,ngave up and caused the Dems to give up for over a decade

And then put in a baroque monstrosity designed to embed the insurance industry permsnemtly

[tularetom]

51. And so she got universal health care passed?

"Coming out for universal health care" is not an accomplishment. Getting health care adopted would be an accomplishment. But that didn't happen did it?

See, I didn't think anybody could name even one. Because she has no accomplishments.

[YOHABLO]

78. She's been very strategic on the positions she's acquired over the years.

One so called ''accomplishment'' on top of the other to give people the illusion she's a public servant. At least with Bernie, I know what I'm getting. Not someone who would be listening to the brass in the Pentagon for foreign policy, and Wall Street Investment Bankers on what's best for the economy. I think she set her sights on being the first woman President years ago, and by god, she's going to do have it 'one way or the other'. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe this is the only way she could get recognized. But you have to judge her by her record. What has she done for us, where does she want to take the country? I don't see her out there building any homes for the poor. Did she ever flip a burger in her life, or have to make her wages cleaning bathrooms? I think she's a phony baloney and wants to make her mark in history. Hillary has an ego second to the Donald.

[book_worm]

6. Sure I don't agree with her on everything, I find the cult thing intersting

it was the same thing said about Obama supporters in 2008. From what I can tell I don't see many Bernie supporters who believe he can do any wrong, either. So not sure what the point of this is.

To be more specific I disagreed with her vote on Iraq. I believe we should have single payer. But on the whole I think she would be a far better president than anybody else running and could accomplish more. Now what do you disagree with Bernie on?

[bettyellen]

7. this is where I am at with Hillary. Neither candidate is perfect.

[revbones]

9. I was more concerned with the all the issues surrounding her rather than policy positions.

I was mainly speaking about the emails, and the issues that came out of them including the free trade lobbying as well as the handling of classified materials. Or the money for speeches that we can't view the transcripts of.

Bernie doesn't really have a lot of scandal or potential scandal about him. I've followed him closely for over a decade and haven't personally seen anything yet that would be a red flag really.

Policy-wise, I'm in fair agreement with him, and have enjoyed him pulling Hillary to the left in the primary.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

20. It is an odd phenomena. It also happened with Dean and perhaps Clark to some extent.

We were that way about JFK and RFK way back when. It can be devestating when they don't win and of course if they are assassinated. I was 10 when JFK was assassinated and it felt like the whole world ended. I did adore one candidate in one recent election but had to grow a pair and do what I knew was right - even though I was very tempted to write in my candidates name. I wanted to have the power to chose the actual candidate.

[CajunBlazer]

8. I find this question ironic coming from a Sanders' supporter

[revbones]

10. Bernie really doesn't have the issues plaguing him like Hillary does

Granted some are right-wing smears, but many have some truth to them. It's these that seem to get ignored by her supporters.

[FrenchieCat]

11. He has plenty issues....

Most folks just don't know what they are yet!

As for Hillary, I'm not voting for her because she's my BFF,
I'm voting for her, because I know most of Sanders issues
and too many make him unelectable in a general election.

[revbones]

12. See, that's the sort of thing that doesn't further dialogue

So rather than explain any issues you see, just saying he has "plenty" doesn't further the conversation at all, let alone substantiate your point.

It also doesn't acknowledge the question in this thread either.

[FrenchieCat]

15. I'm not the oppo research section of DU...

I'm not here to malign him like the Republicans would.

So, no, I won't elaborate....
You've seen a tiny bit of it in that CNN article out today,
did you read it? probably not.

See, I'm a Democrat, so what happens in the campaign is one thing,
But I'm just not into trying to destroy any one of ours,
as that would make me my own enemy,
and I'm smarter than that. I want to win the election against the GOP,
not just make a point.

[revbones]

16. No, but then if you can't substantiate what you're saying, you shouldn't say it

It makes it appear false by default.

It's also not trying to destroy a candidate, but elevating her to cult leader status and ignoring wrong-doings is bad not only for the party but for the country as well.

Honor, integrity and principles and things that should matter more than whether your team wins.

[rbrnmw]

27. she isn't required to explain herself to you

she answered your question except it or don't

[revbones]

80. No, but when you try to allude to something, you should be able to back it up with facts

and not just some "He has plenty of issues" type of statement. Otherwise, it just appears rather weak-sauce and generally false.

Throwing out things like "He has plenty of issues" or "Most folks just don't know what they are yet!" don't do anyone any good and really aren't even worth typing out - but don't try to say I can't question it when they put out vague stuff like that. We each have the right and ability to respond, I just try to generally back up my statements with facts.

Also, I think you meant "accept".

[Marr]

83. You actually think that's a valid position?

I thought you were kidding.

Sorry, but anyone making an assertion *does* owe an explanation to support their claim. Of course, you can choose to make claims then refuse to back them up, but you'll look like an ignorant loudmouth and few will take you seriously.

[FrenchieCat]

76. Good for you!

[NWCorona]

99. Good point

[revbones]

90. Or she might just get indicted...

That would resolve things. Unfortunately, that's more likely to happen during the general.

[fun n serious]

52. Not ignored. There is no rhythm or reason to smear my candidate when Bernie supports and freepers

do it all day everyday. Why would I join that pack?

[JaneyVee]

14. Lets try something....

Say something you dont like Bernie for....

[revbones]

17. The thread was about Hillary. If you want to talk about Bernie, there are many threads

and you're certainly able to create one.

That said, Bernie isn't really plagued by scandals. Regardless of whatever percentage of Hillary's scandals and wrong-doings you believe to be right-wing smear jobs or not accurate.

[JaneyVee]

21. Come on it'll be fun...

Go first, since you accused others of being "cult-like".

[revbones]

23. Again, feel free to start your own thread.

But if you want to keep avoiding the topic here you're obviously free to do so.

[kstewart33]

58. Oh come on Rev, give it a try. Just a little bit. nt

[Impedimentus]

19. I'm the only perfect person ...

and I'm convinced my physician is a quack since that day he called me delusional.

[revbones]

22. What I've found particularly frustrating

Was that I have yet to hear a single Hillary supporter admit that there just might one iota of legitimacy to anything that has come out of the email stuff - whether it was the mishandling of classified material or the free trade lobbying after telling unions she would fight against them.

[artislife]

39. It is very much the old "Don't admit a mistake."

Now who else did that? Let me help with this, he liked to clear brush.

[fun n serious]

55. She has admitted her mistakes.

Why should we join the smear Hillary camp of the Bernie supporters and the RW nuts?

[artislife]

65. Truth is not smear

The RW is not always wrong about her.

[fun n serious]

66. My point is you don't need me.

You're doing a fine job of smearing her just as the GOP. I like to focus on her positives. There are many.

[artislife]

69. I actually never needed you. No offense, just the facts. nt

[Haveadream]

24. No cult of personality

Most Dems know her too well for that.

I think in this passage:

I think that the Clintons suffered a lot of crap right-wing smears and fake scandals. I think that because of that, and the constant drumbeat by the right-wing that Hillary's supporters have become immune to any possible negativity about her.

you have some insight as to the glazed over response you may observe in some Democrats when the same old tired RW themesongs are on constant replay. For decades. And each new generation of opposers brings a fresh wave of people who are hearing it as though it were the first time. It isn't so much that people are immune, it is that so many of the questions have been asked and answered ad nauseum and people are just weary. It often seems that no amount of evidence to the contrary will convince true haters that every move HRC makes isn't a cynical calculation for personal gain. People also listen and examine evidence for themselves (because, as you say, so many false allegations have been leveled at her) rather than accepting a charge at face value.

That said, Hillary has made plenty of mistakes and choices with which I disagree. Some current, some old. The same goes for Bernie. And Obama. And Biden. And Bill. And Kerry. And Carter. And JFK. etc, etc, etc.

None of them are as bad as the Republicans. And none of the Republicans are as bad as Trump, the most disgraceful excuse for a candidate this country has ever seen.

[fun n serious]

68. Very eloquent response. nt

[That Guy 888]

81. Unfortunately in our media, the rw crap gets mixed in and obscures legitimate concerns

...that matter to Democratic voters.

Hillary Clinton says that President Obama is proof that Wall Street money does not mean Wall Street favoritism.

I say Timothy Geithner and Ben Bernanke.

She says that her Kosovo sniper story was a result of exhaustion.

I find it odd that she repeated the story three times, recovering from exhaustion only when video of the actual landing and peaceful greeting ceremony surfaced.

She says her Iraq War vote was based on intelligence from the bush administration.

I say that trusting bush was far beneath her intelligence, suspiciously so.

[kstewart33]

25. Could Bernie do anything wrong in your eyes?

Haven't seen any honest criticisms of Bernie within the group of Bernie supporters. The consistent message: Bernie is the Saint. Hillary is the Sinner.

Cult-like, absolutely.

[revbones]

26. So no response to the actual topic?

You guys are certainly capable of starting a "What's wrong with Bernie" thread or whatever you want to do. My curiosity is piqued on why given the plethora of actual issues that could blow up during the general or even actions such as actively working against the interests of unions with that Clinton promised to oppose, that Hillary supporters can literally see no wrong with her.

[kstewart33]

31. Rev, there are plenty of issues that will blow up in the general if Bernie wins the nomination.

I'd wager that Bernie has a lot more to worry about in the general election than does Hillary. For example:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/29/politics/bernie-sanders-own-words/index.html

[RobertEarl]

32. Name one

Bernie has been attacked left and right and he's stood up to all of them without wavering.

[kstewart33]

38. Go to this post.

The turning point in Bernie's campaign arrived this morning (it's not SC results or polls or votes) on this forum. Read the attached article at the post.

Go to the CNN site and read the piece on Bernie's early years in his own words (in the politics section).

There's a reason that the Republican Super Pacs are spending millions running anti-Hillary ads in the ST states. Bernie's their man for the general campaign.

[artislife]

40. This was a bs OP. nothing more. nt

[kstewart33]

42. I think the Republicans would disagree. nt

[artislife]

43. Are you talking about camp weathervane?

Because this seems to be like the Obama is a muslim kind of ooze.

[RobertEarl]

45. No links?

So you can't name one. Figured as much.

[kstewart33]

47. Robert, come on now.

I'm having problems with the links. Sorry!

A little effort and you'll get to them. Go ahead. Read and let me know what you think. Not from your perspective really, but from the perspective of the Republicans and how they will use the info (e.g., distort, exaggerate, lie) in their ads about Bernie. Along the lines of what they did to Kerry and Dukakis. Bernie's their man, Robert. He's the one they want and they're willing to spend millions in anti-Hillary ads in the ST states and other primaries, to get him.

[RobertEarl]

56. Bring it

Bernie can handle all of it. He's having a hard time now only because he gets no press. In the GE he'll get plenty. If the repubs wanted Bernie they'd give him press.

I find it odd you can't name one thing off the top of you head. To me means you have nothing.

[kstewart33]

60. Robert, I just did.

Geez Louise, guy.

[RobertEarl]

64. Just hot air balloon from you.

And I popped that with the fact that if they wanted Bernie they would be running ads FOR Bernie. They run anti--Hillary ads because it brings in more money.

Name one that has facts....no balloons....

[fun n serious]

49. With respect Robert E.. some have compared Bernie to Jesus

right here on DU.

[kstewart33]

61. Fun, I read that. A very popular post.

Seems to fit the narrative. Bernie is the Saint. Hillary is the Satan.

[fun n serious]

63. Yes indeed.

It's a bit disturbing.

[hedda_foil]

57. I see no links to anything you are referring to.

[fun n serious]

46. Are you serious? Do you really believe

Bernie has been attacked more than Hillary? She has endured attacks for decades. C'mon!

[revbones]

34. Lol. Nice. Just like when he released the transcripts of his Wall St speeches. Nothing.

[kstewart33]

41. Rev, I think Bernie's problems extend far beyond any Wall Street speeches.

Go to my post #38 and read the articles.

There's gold in those articles at least from the Republican point of view.

[hedda_foil]

62. There are no articles linked in post38. I'd be glad to read them if I could find them.

[Marr]

94. And yet you can't seem to cite a single one.

Don't bother with the squid ink 'go read in this general direction' bullshit. Cite something.

[John Poet]

37. Like, Bernie will have to worry about the FBI

throwing handcuffs on him at a campaign stop.


Oh WAIT-- that's HILLARY.

[revbones]

48. Really? Did you even read that article in its entirity???

That's your list of issues with Bernie? Holy crap!


Sheesh.

[fun n serious]

50. I don't have to have issues with Bernie to give Hillary my support. nt

[kstewart33]

53. Rev, give me a second.

My issue is that the Republicans will demolish Bernie in the general and the blowout will cost us many Democratic down ballot races and set back the liberal cause for years.

My issue doesn't have anything to do with Bernie's past; it has to do with what the Repubs will do with it.

That, and his platform is DOA in Congress.

[revbones]

59. So you think that his writings constitute an issue? Are you serious???

Even on the absolute possible worst part of that article, it explains it

The graphic opening vignette leads to a larger point: Men need to step away from traditionally dominant roles and women should rise from traditionally submissive ones.

And you really think that is anywhere near as bad as mishandling classified materials, or outright lying to unions supporting her or countries receiving arms deals coincidentally right after donating large sums to the Clinton Foundation or any of the other stuff that isn't right-wing crap?

Wow. Just wow.

[kstewart33]

67. Rev, you are really, really, really missing my point.

One last try. Imagine after reading the two articles that I cited, you are a Republican honcho charged with creating the TV and radio ads that attack Bernie. You are rabid and you have a reputation for twisting any morsel of fact into something really horrible and getting away with it. You have a real talent for it; it's in your blood. And your talent has destroyed the presidential campaigns of John Kerry and Michael Dukakis.

Think Lee Atwater who was the Republican hit man for the Dukakis campaign assault and other character assassinations. He was so good that when he was diagnosed with brain cancer, he spent the last year of his life meeting with those whose careers and lives he had destroyed, to apologize for what he had done.

Now, what would the present day Lee Atwater do with the information in these articles and in plenty of other articles in the archives and videos like the one on youtube of Bernie praising Fidel Castro?

Here are some possibilities:

Bernie is a Castro loving Communist and Marxist! (cut to a few choice sentences from one or more of his speeches years ago) and he was a special advocate and had special relationships with Communist and Marxist countries! (slightly true, but they'll make it seem like he joined their armies). Imagine the visuals here.

Bernie is best buds with Manuel Ortega! (don't worry the older voters - you know, the ones who vote, will remember him).

Bernie is an atheist and had an out-of-wedlock child!!! (that will go down well with the Catholic vote, or maybe the public per se because in a recent Gallup poll, 45% of the public said that they would not under any condition vote for an atheist for president).

Bernie honeymooned with his first wife in the Soviet Union! (true though not in the 2 articles).

And on and on, ad nauseum. They will not let up.

Now, compare this rabid, relentless campaign to the charges they could make about Hillary. She's in bed with Wall Street? Heck, THEY'RE in bed with Wall Street!

Now, who has the bigger problem in the general? Now do you see why their Super Pacs are spending $$$$$ on anti Hillary ads now?

Speaking of going to bed, I'm headed that way. Good night and sleep tight.

[revbones]

73. Wow. Just wow.

That was the biggest steamiest pile of...

That you actually think the "socialism" boogey word is comparable to what they will use on Hillary? Or an ongoing active FBI investigation? Or arms deals linked to Clinton Foundation donations? Or any of the actual legitimate non-Benghazi controversies?

Even so, the sheer hatred for Hillary on the right and among many independents is palpable. Even if they trotted out all you say and it was successful on those that would buy into it, he still wins more independents than Hillary.

The whole super-PAC spending on Bernie is a red herring at this stage too. Each time they've supposedly come into play was just before the voting when it was too late to help and there were super-PACs spending against Bernie too.

The "honeymoon" was a joke comment. He was mayor and participating in the sister cities program. Sheesh.

I really can't believe you actually spent time typing all that out. And that you would believe that would be more troubling than Hillary's issues is just crazy. Wow.

[kstewart33]

82. Calm down.

It's not what I believe about Bernie. I like Bernie and I respect him for being true to his cause for decades. There is much to admire about the man.

It's what they'll do to him. It will all boil down to this Republican message to the American people: 'Do you want an atheist and a Communist to be president of the United States?'

That alone will seal Bernie's defeat.

Well anyway, today's the big day. Let's see what happens. Bernie could pick up some states, which frankly, I think would be good for Bernie and for Hillary. And let's hope that all the predictions about the Republican party's demise, comes true.

We can agree on that, right?

[revbones]

88. Someone worried about the right wing calling our candidate a communist tells me to calm down

Wow. I'm sorry but that whole premise is pretty laughable given the attacks that will be wielded against Clinton.

I really am flabbergasted that your big point was the communism attack. That's incredible.

[Marr]

95. Republicans have de-fanged that attack themselves anyway, having spent a decade calling a

a right-of-center Democrat a communist.

That word now has has about as much power as 'poopy head'.

[revbones]

98. Nice. n/t

[revbones]

91. I also think the right is salivating over

running against Clinton since the hatred for her is palpable in conservatives and independents. And they'd be crazy not to be excited about running against someone that is actually under an active FBI investigation and has already been proven to have done things that there are many, many people currently serving 3-10 years in jail for...

[fun n serious]

44. Seems people on both sides are blinded.

Hillary is not perfect. There are flaws. There are things I'm not happy about with regard to her but she is the most qualified. She has been under a huge magnifying glass for decades. Bernie has not been under the same spot light as Hillary.

[kstewart33]

54. You bet. nt

[Marr]

97. Unless you have an actual issue to cite for Sanders, both sides are not the same here.

Clinton has been deluged with accusations of scandals for decades now, of course, and many of them have been utterly bogus. But not all of them. To claim otherwise is to show blind support.

Sanders simply hasn't had the same sort of scandal-ridden career. You can say that's because no one has found them yet, but then you could say the same thing about mermaids and fairies.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

70. yes

he want to feed the children before NASA get more money
he wants healthcare for all before NASA get more money
he wants black youth unemployment to be low before NASA get more money

the list goes on

[alcibiades_mystery]

28. "fans" (((((((STOPPED LISTENING)))))))

[revbones]

33. Yep. but that was the point of the post. :)

[alcibiades_mystery]

35. Wouldn't know...didn't read your post after the insult

[revbones]

36. Excellent. Which "insult" was that?

I'd like to keep it in my pocket for other threads you and I participate in...

Seriously though, you read some and then decided to follow up with a post doing what I had complained about Hillary fans doing in the post regarding just sticking their fingers in their ears and ignoring any potential negative about their candidate?

Thanks for proving my point.

[Arazi]

29. Not sure if you saw this thread where Sanders supporters said good stuff @ HRC

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511158328#top

Some of us have tried to meet them half way. This thread demonstrates those efforts go nowhere

[oasis]

30. No. She's golden.

[ucrdem]

75. Yep.

And the assclownery is getting really silly.

[socialistforpeople]

71. Hillary is a great speaker

But that doesn't make her a good leader or person. I think most Hillary supporters only see the shallow depths of her and/or justify many of her actions. I used to support her early 2015, but after reading and studying about travelgate, hillarycare,whitewater investigation, Filegate, and Pardongate. There are many more'-gates' and scandals relating to Hillary and Bill over the years, and it continues to shock me. I could no longer support her in good conscious. I would love to see a female president but I can't overlook her character and past to do that. She only portrays the image of equality and freedom, but plays the game of politics, where neo-liberalism is the statues quo.

[pkdu]

72. Your Journal shows otherwise , but nice try. nt

[revbones]

74. Nice try on the response too.

I'll take that to mean that you think she can do no wrong and agree with the premise.

[pkdu]

77. make up whatever you want on my thoughts ( which you know little/nothing of)

yours are laid bare.

[revbones]

79. As are yours. Somewhat laughably

The thread was about Hillary supporters believing that she could do no wrong, and a point was made in the original post about attacking the messenger as a tactic to discount any negativity about her.

Then you made a comment trying to discount my post because I've posted some pro-Bernie stuff elsewhere.

Just proves my point. Thanks.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

84. We are all flawed and she is no exception./nt

[NCTraveler]

85. I have highlighted many issues I have with Clinton.

We aren't the one referring to our candidate as reminding us of another carpenter.

[revbones]

87. Well no, but you certainly are disparaging any negative item whether its true or not

[NCTraveler]

89. Ok. Nt

[George II]

92. Hillary Clinton will still win the Democratic nomination and be elected President.

[revbones]

93. Blue!

Made about as much sense in relation to the original post.

[Lizzie Poppet]

96. While many seem to at least recognize her (myriad) faults...

...none of those faults seem to rise to the level of deal-breaker with them. Warmongering, support for TPP and fracking, the tens of millions of dollars she's directly received from corporations as "speaking fees," her lavish funding by Wall Street Super-PACs, her shitty treatment of a BLM activist...the list is endless, and every goddamn one of the items on it would have most Hillary supporters shouting in disapproval alongside the rest of us if a Republican were doing them.

Yep...that's cult-y as fuck.

[revbones]

100. But hey, they've got a list of accomplishments they can now post from the Go Left FB page.

Nevermind that half are recent positions or ones she's gone back on - aside form the blatant misrepresentative ones that is.

[rock]

101. Well, you are right about the RW smears

To point that I simple don't listen complaints about the Clintons as I'm pretty damn sure they're going to prove false. Secondly I have lots of complaints myself about the Clintons, that I'm not going share as I find most other politicians are even worse. By and large I believe Hillary is the best choice for the job. Thanks for asking.

[revbones]

102. I'm not sure that paints someone in the best light.

I appreciate the response, but saying "To point that I simple don't listen complaints about the Clintons " doesn't exactly shine the best light on ones voting practices.

[rock]

104. If I were a rock that just sat in the rain that would be right

But I'm a rock with a brain. And to clarify, I simple don't listen to the complaints because they are 99% wrong. I hear them, but automatically start by assuming they're lies. After all the large proportion of them are based on opinions. I can come to my own decisions about what I like and don't like about Hillary, thank you very much.

[revbones]

105. Again

When someone says something like "I simple don't listen to the complaints because they are 99% wrong" it doesn't indicate much in the positive. It seems to point toward a head in the sand mentality rather than one being open to the truth.

The same goes for "automatically start by assuming they're lies".

By all means, someone should come to their own decisions, but I'm of the mind that they shouldn't brag about not considering facts.

[rock]

106. You don't get it do you?

These are not facts but opinions such as, "The Clintons lie about everything!" If the critics would throttle back some, I might decide there were enough truth there that I could consider it, but that's simply not the case. Every lie you tell about someone, weakens your ability to tell the truth about them.

[randome]

108. Well said!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

[revbones]

109. Hey, I'm just taking you at your word

when you say you ignore that stuff.

The problem is that there are facts that are being ignored by Hillary supporters. Trivializing it down to opinions doesn't do anyone any good.

[6chars]

103. So, with 100 replies and no positive response to your question...

Here's number 101!

[YCHDT]

107. Yes, she could have someone stump for her that called Obama "A Brown Faced Clinton" (link)

http://www.salon.com/2014/08/24/cornel_west_he_posed_as_a_progressive_and_turned_out_to_be_counterfeit_we_ended_up_with_a_wall_street_presidency_a_drone_presidency/

[revbones]

110. Is that worse than her campaign releasing the picture of Obama in the Somali clothing?

Here's a link to the picture her campaign released.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/25/barackobama.hillaryclinton