2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton To Voter: Why Don't You Go Run For Something
Why Don't You Go Run For SomethingThe Democratic presidential front-runner was leaving a coffee shop when an unidentified Somali-American asked Clinton to comment on past racial remarks, including her recently retracted super-predator speech, and the lack of diversity among elected officials.
Clinton went on to reference Abdi Warsame, the first Somali-American elected to the Minneapolis City Council, which the woman questioned, arguing he lacked authenticity.
AAs are fleeing Hillary's campaign in droves. She is having a difficult time now explaining her past position on policies that have gravely harmed the AA community.
More at the link ....
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)That must be the look she uses when she's forced to actually talk to peasants.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Maybe she finds black women less scary than black men
TheBlackAdder
(28,073 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)Maybe they didn't see your post.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,705 posts)lol
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)Republicans have been doing it for years.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,705 posts)Yes, because you are so intimately involved with them and their community that you know where their interests lie better than they do.
As a white person I am glad I don't embrace such paternalistic thinking.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)So according to you, no one is permitted an opinion on the state of anyone else's well being unless they are a member of that group as defined by you.
Press on with your beliefs, please.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,705 posts)I would hope you stand with me against paternalism and robbing people of color of agency. But as I said in our conversation last night I have neither the desire nor inclination to compel others to accede to my point of view.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)of a woman whose powerful friends, backers, war buddies could not be MORE Paternalistic. Do you know that the world views neocon FPs, Hillary's FPs as anti Africans and Brown people, anti Women who suffer horrendously from those horrific policies, yet Hillary tries so hard to be APPROVED of by these MEN who Rule the World??
See Kissinger eg, no more Paternalistic War Criminal can be found right now yet she views him as a mentor.
As a woman there is no way I can SAY I am a Feminist or supporter of the rights of minorities, and also support Colonialist Paternal, mostly men let's face it, War Mongers and their policies.
Why I support the real Feminist and Civil Rights supporter in this race.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Stop being to paternalistic...
Thread win!!!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)kind as they rarely were.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Kittycat
(10,493 posts)Clinton responded good, then laughed at the woman, and continued as she walked off. It was shameful for someone running for president.
I didn't watch the video at the link, but did watch the YouTube linked elsewhere a bit ago.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Nanjeanne
(4,878 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)I don't think she could be more condescending - and it's just so easy and funny to her.
I'd say more, but .....
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)JI7
(89,174 posts)timlot
(456 posts)and just voted for Hillary at my local elementary school. These young militant black folks need to stop harassing her. What she said was right imo. Some young black folks in the "hood" have no regard for other folks property or lives. I've seen it first hand. Yeah yeah they just don't like that this privilege white women said it.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,705 posts)That way we can reach common ground and move forward.
timlot
(456 posts)I've seen this playbook. This is the "come up" for these confrontations. Next week this young lady will be on MSNBC trying to make a name for herself.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,705 posts)This story is on top of the Drudge Report, that should tell you something. I went there to see if he had leaked exit polls.
Regardless, you have young African Americans challenging HRC on her civil rights record as is their right. Ain't none of us perfect.
You also have forces on the right and some parts of the left whose interests are inimical to Hillary Clinton and are trying to create separation between her and the African American community. IMHO, it won't work.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)a small contingency of Hillary supporters here conducted a disgusting campaign USING AAs against Sanders. It was RACIST and divisive and a few of them are still pursuing that tactic. I wonder, did you ever admonish those people who claimed to speak for ALL AAs and who called Bernie and his supporters here, some of them AAs themselves RACIST"
Maybe you did, but I don't recall that at all. And now I am happy to see that those dividers are being told NOT to speak for other AAs they are perfectly capable of speaking for themselves.
The truth is Hillary has a horrendous record on Civil Rights which is why I suppose her supporters were trying so desperately to cover for that while attacking Sanders and his supporters, many of whom as I said, are AAs themseolves.
It was and still is ugly to watch.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)seen in HISTORY of any civiized nation? You don't think 'these BlM types' have a reason to be upset. Are you aware eg, that Somalia, another one of our disastrous, for the Africans who live there, Colonial 'interventions' and that it's likely that woman has lost loved ones to our racist wars and racist interventions?
It must be nice to be able to sit in judgement of those who are suffering, who have a reason to be angry. But frankly I am surprised there isn't more anger from the victims of neocon policies fully supported by Clinton.
All that is hapening is that people ARE challenging neocons and their policies and I for one, am glad since I do not support, as a Democrat, those disastrous, cruel for-profit interventions.
Maybe Hillary could have engaged her, listened to her grievances, as a Somalian she sure has some legitimate cause.
Okay, I'll just assume that BLM is FINE when it appears to be, though I haven't seen it lately, supportive of HC but NOT okay when it questions our policies.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Up for life over non violent crimes while Hillary profited of their plight.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)angry about is the arrogance of Hillary supporters who from the beginning have CLAIMED to speak for ALL AAs. 'She has the Black Vote'. Many people pointed out to these Hillary supporters, from all backgrounds, that this in itself is Racist.
Just saying 'I'm Black' does NOT mean you speak for millions of other people.
I am glad to see that AAs are making THEIR feelings known, those who choose NOT to support Hillary who are growing in number every day.
She does not 'have the Black vote' nor she have the 'Latino vote' who also are making THEIR feelings known regarding this kind of campaigning. No group of people is monolithic none, and that effort to paint all AAs as 'Hillary supporters' was and is reprehensible and racist in itself and people are now letting her know that they will speak for themselves.
These are the people who talk, but never show up to vote in midterms. There is plenty of talk out there, but very little action. Everyone just wants to go viral.
Freaked Out
(74 posts)You voted against your best interest. I am just gobsmacked that you are a minority and voted a path to a racist President.
That's right. Voting for Clinton equals a Trump Presidency. There is no other alternative.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Clinton really isn't to blame for the lack of diversity among elected officials, that's a structural problem that no one person is to blame for. More minorities do need to run for office to institute change.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)in politics than anyone else running for president. It really seems like people think it just takes a magic wand to do things.
It is disheartening. I hope she does start thinking about getting involved in local politics.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Amazing that this is wishful thinking around here. With it being factually incorrect that is what it is.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)lump all AAs into one 'Hillary package' assuming they are 'all the same'. It is offensive, and now AAs are stating their own feelings about it.
And yes minorities, not just AAs are fleeing her campaign in droves.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Make all the accusations you want from the words of others. I'm good with it.
I have a great appreciation for the verbiage being used around here after SC. Some things are worse than I thought they were. Transparency is always good.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)the beginning. We were TOLD 'this is your candidate' and frankly, for me, that was simply unacceptable in a democracy.
But we agree that ALL candidates must EARN votes which is why I totally and competely regject the 'hold your nose and vote' tactic that many of us have sadly, participated in for far too long, giving us the Corporate controlled Govt we now have. I admit my part in causing this to happen.
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Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)but I don't disagree with her advice to the young lady here either and, hopefully, she WILL run for office at some point in the future.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)And this isn't the first time.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)the humility of Napoleon and the ethics of Richard Nixon.
She is a person of many parts, truly.
Renaissance Man
(669 posts)The young lady's response should have been:
"Well, gee Hillary. Lloyd's been avoiding my calls, and Jamie's yachting in UK. You think you could get them on the line for me?"
Hekate
(90,189 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)was an attempt to deflect, rather arrogantly, from the legitimate question the woman asked. Do you think people fall for responses such as yours? They don't.
polly7
(20,582 posts)wysi
(1,512 posts)Evidence?
ismnotwasm
(41,919 posts)Unless it's of the "Winning all 50 states variety"
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)And tell us whose support is going well. She was ahead back then by 60 points.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)and the women's vote later. No question, as more is revealed and as more minorities learn that they have a choice, AAs and Latinos are switching from the Clintons to the person they believe will best represent their interests.
wysi
(1,512 posts)... doesn't make it true.
zappaman
(20,605 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Gender Women 65 33
Race Whites 50 48
Blacks 83 15
Hispanics 63 36
Whoops!
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...and Virginia, and most likely several other states tonight and in the coming weeks.
At least they're not fleeing Sanders' campaign, they never were there in the first place.
Buzz cook
(2,470 posts)Clinton went on to reference Abdi Warsame, the first Somali-American elected to the Minneapolis City Council, which the woman questioned, arguing he lacked authenticity.
Clinton exhibits detailed knowledge pertinent to her questioner. Questioner rejects knowledge because...why?
I seriously doubt Bernie could name a local level African American politician outside New England.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)they are not