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sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 05:58 PM Mar 2016

Clinton To Voter: Why Don't You Go Run For Something

Why Don't You Go Run For Something




Hillary Clinton was involved in brief confrontation with a young woman during a campaign stop in Minnesota Tuesday afternoon as voters headed to the polls to cast their ballot in the state’s primary.

The Democratic presidential front-runner was leaving a coffee shop when an unidentified Somali-American asked Clinton to comment on past racial remarks, including her recently retracted “super-predator” speech, and the lack of diversity among elected officials.

Clinton went on to reference Abdi Warsame, the first Somali-American elected to the Minneapolis City Council, which the woman questioned, arguing he lacked authenticity.


AAs are fleeing Hillary's campaign in droves. She is having a difficult time now explaining her past position on policies that have gravely harmed the AA community.

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Clinton To Voter: Why Don't You Go Run For Something (Original Post) sabrina 1 Mar 2016 OP
That haughty look on Mrs. Clinton's face is frightening. nichomachus Mar 2016 #1
At least she's not trying to fall backwards to escape this time. arcane1 Mar 2016 #10
To which is said "But I don't have a Presidential Husband to ride the coattails of" TheBlackAdder Mar 2016 #31
She always looks that way when talking to AAs. senz Mar 2016 #58
Exit polls today have Hillary winning 80%+ of the AA vote. onehandle Mar 2016 #2
+1 DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #8
They are as free as anyone else to vote against their best interests. nichomachus Mar 2016 #16
Yes, because you are so intimately involved with them DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #29
What a bizarre attitude. kristopher Mar 2016 #34
I would hope you stand with me against paternalism and robbing people of color of agency. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #35
If you are against paternalism which I certainly am, then how can you be a supporter sabrina 1 Mar 2016 #36
We can have opinions, and state them too AgingAmerican Mar 2016 #59
... NanceGreggs Mar 2016 #28
Ugh, such an old, probably 'nineties era meme 'Thread Win'. And of course it was nothing of the sabrina 1 Mar 2016 #38
Heh. +1,000 NastyRiffraff Mar 2016 #41
Missing from the article... Kittycat Mar 2016 #3
Condescending / entitled / elitist Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #4
You got that right! Punkingal Mar 2016 #6
How condescending can this woman be? Nanjeanne Mar 2016 #5
So distasteful to watch. polly7 Mar 2016 #23
Wait a while, she'll top that. hifiguy Mar 2016 #25
"AAs are fleeing Hillary's campaign in droves." JI7 Mar 2016 #7
Umm No, I'm black... timlot Mar 2016 #9
I want her to listen to everybody's grievances. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #12
There is no common ground with these BLM types... timlot Mar 2016 #15
You have two dynamics. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #19
I agree with you re people tryiing to create separation. From the start of Sanders campaign sabrina 1 Mar 2016 #32
'These BLM types' Okay, it's okay with you then that AAs are being murdered by cops at a rate not sabrina 1 Mar 2016 #39
The nerve of BLM complaining that kids were locked NWCorona Mar 2016 #13
And that's fine, you speak for yourself regardless of ethnicity or religion. What many AAs are so sabrina 1 Mar 2016 #14
Exactly KingFlorez Mar 2016 #18
I feel sorry for you. Freaked Out Mar 2016 #45
Hey Hillary: why don't you NOT? [n/t] Maedhros Mar 2016 #11
Actions speak louder than words KingFlorez Mar 2016 #17
Yeah, I think it is interesting this is Hillary's fault when she has done more to promote diversity bettyellen Mar 2016 #54
"AAs are fleeing Hillary's campaign in droves." NCTraveler Mar 2016 #20
And what is 'Hillary has the Black vote' to you? I found it racist from the start, to arrogantly sabrina 1 Mar 2016 #30
I've said before that both candidates have to earn their vote. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #33
Yes, no candidate should be a 'presumed Front Runner' and that was the problem from sabrina 1 Mar 2016 #42
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #21
I did not vote for Hillary Clinton... Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #22
While I agree that it wasn't the words but the tone. NWCorona Mar 2016 #27
I repeat, the common touch of Marie Antoinette, hifiguy Mar 2016 #24
The young lady's response should have been ... Renaissance Man Mar 2016 #26
Good advice for a young woman: get into politics early. Hekate Mar 2016 #37
Good response IF that had been the topic which it wasn't. What it was sabrina 1 Mar 2016 #40
Yeah ....... that was lame. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #43
Fleeing in droves, eh? wysi Mar 2016 #44
There is no evidence. ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #46
Look at polls going back six months AgingAmerican Mar 2016 #60
Yes, in droves. I will be posting something on that very subject, why Hillary is losing the minority sabrina 1 Mar 2016 #47
Just because you hope something is true... wysi Mar 2016 #49
Can't wait for your post! zappaman Mar 2016 #52
oh goodness, please don't make us wait for that OP! bettyellen Mar 2016 #55
!!! Number23 Mar 2016 #56
I need a laugh! Or another few Idris gifs !! bettyellen Mar 2016 #57
Did it get posted?? Did I miss it?? I've been waiting ever so anxiously!!1 Number23 Mar 2016 #62
Here are some fresh stats to help with your OP! bettyellen Mar 2016 #61
yeah fleeing in droves just not from Hillary rbrnmw Mar 2016 #48
"AAs are fleeing Hillary's campaign in droves."? Tell that to the AAs in South Carolina, Georgia... George II Mar 2016 #50
This Buzz cook Mar 2016 #51
Do not make the mistake of thinking AA are a monolothic group nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #53

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
1. That haughty look on Mrs. Clinton's face is frightening.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 06:00 PM
Mar 2016

That must be the look she uses when she's forced to actually talk to peasants.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
10. At least she's not trying to fall backwards to escape this time.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 06:06 PM
Mar 2016

Maybe she finds black women less scary than black men

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
16. They are as free as anyone else to vote against their best interests.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 06:14 PM
Mar 2016

Republicans have been doing it for years.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
29. Yes, because you are so intimately involved with them
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 06:28 PM
Mar 2016
They are as free as anyone else to vote against their best interests.



Yes, because you are so intimately involved with them and their community that you know where their interests lie better than they do.

As a white person I am glad I don't embrace such paternalistic thinking.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
34. What a bizarre attitude.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 06:41 PM
Mar 2016

So according to you, no one is permitted an opinion on the state of anyone else's well being unless they are a member of that group as defined by you.

Press on with your beliefs, please.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
35. I would hope you stand with me against paternalism and robbing people of color of agency.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 06:47 PM
Mar 2016

I would hope you stand with me against paternalism and robbing people of color of agency. But as I said in our conversation last night I have neither the desire nor inclination to compel others to accede to my point of view.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
36. If you are against paternalism which I certainly am, then how can you be a supporter
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 06:58 PM
Mar 2016

of a woman whose powerful friends, backers, war buddies could not be MORE Paternalistic. Do you know that the world views neocon FPs, Hillary's FPs as anti Africans and Brown people, anti Women who suffer horrendously from those horrific policies, yet Hillary tries so hard to be APPROVED of by these MEN who Rule the World??

See Kissinger eg, no more Paternalistic War Criminal can be found right now yet she views him as a mentor.

As a woman there is no way I can SAY I am a Feminist or supporter of the rights of minorities, and also support Colonialist Paternal, mostly men let's face it, War Mongers and their policies.

Why I support the real Feminist and Civil Rights supporter in this race.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
38. Ugh, such an old, probably 'nineties era meme 'Thread Win'. And of course it was nothing of the
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 07:00 PM
Mar 2016

kind as they rarely were.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
3. Missing from the article...
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 06:02 PM
Mar 2016

Clinton responded good, then laughed at the woman, and continued as she walked off. It was shameful for someone running for president.

I didn't watch the video at the link, but did watch the YouTube linked elsewhere a bit ago.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
23. So distasteful to watch.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 06:23 PM
Mar 2016

I don't think she could be more condescending - and it's just so easy and funny to her.

I'd say more, but .....

 

timlot

(456 posts)
9. Umm No, I'm black...
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 06:05 PM
Mar 2016

and just voted for Hillary at my local elementary school. These young militant black folks need to stop harassing her. What she said was right imo. Some young black folks in the "hood" have no regard for other folks property or lives. I've seen it first hand. Yeah yeah they just don't like that this privilege white women said it.

 

timlot

(456 posts)
15. There is no common ground with these BLM types...
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 06:13 PM
Mar 2016

I've seen this playbook. This is the "come up" for these confrontations. Next week this young lady will be on MSNBC trying to make a name for herself.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
19. You have two dynamics.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 06:20 PM
Mar 2016

This story is on top of the Drudge Report, that should tell you something. I went there to see if he had leaked exit polls.

Regardless, you have young African Americans challenging HRC on her civil rights record as is their right. Ain't none of us perfect.

You also have forces on the right and some parts of the left whose interests are inimical to Hillary Clinton and are trying to create separation between her and the African American community. IMHO, it won't work.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
32. I agree with you re people tryiing to create separation. From the start of Sanders campaign
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 06:37 PM
Mar 2016

a small contingency of Hillary supporters here conducted a disgusting campaign USING AAs against Sanders. It was RACIST and divisive and a few of them are still pursuing that tactic. I wonder, did you ever admonish those people who claimed to speak for ALL AAs and who called Bernie and his supporters here, some of them AAs themselves RACIST"

Maybe you did, but I don't recall that at all. And now I am happy to see that those dividers are being told NOT to speak for other AAs they are perfectly capable of speaking for themselves.

The truth is Hillary has a horrendous record on Civil Rights which is why I suppose her supporters were trying so desperately to cover for that while attacking Sanders and his supporters, many of whom as I said, are AAs themseolves.

It was and still is ugly to watch.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
39. 'These BLM types' Okay, it's okay with you then that AAs are being murdered by cops at a rate not
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 07:05 PM
Mar 2016

seen in HISTORY of any civiized nation? You don't think 'these BlM types' have a reason to be upset. Are you aware eg, that Somalia, another one of our disastrous, for the Africans who live there, Colonial 'interventions' and that it's likely that woman has lost loved ones to our racist wars and racist interventions?

It must be nice to be able to sit in judgement of those who are suffering, who have a reason to be angry. But frankly I am surprised there isn't more anger from the victims of neocon policies fully supported by Clinton.

All that is hapening is that people ARE challenging neocons and their policies and I for one, am glad since I do not support, as a Democrat, those disastrous, cruel for-profit interventions.

Maybe Hillary could have engaged her, listened to her grievances, as a Somalian she sure has some legitimate cause.

Okay, I'll just assume that BLM is FINE when it appears to be, though I haven't seen it lately, supportive of HC but NOT okay when it questions our policies.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
13. The nerve of BLM complaining that kids were locked
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 06:11 PM
Mar 2016

Up for life over non violent crimes while Hillary profited of their plight.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
14. And that's fine, you speak for yourself regardless of ethnicity or religion. What many AAs are so
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 06:13 PM
Mar 2016

angry about is the arrogance of Hillary supporters who from the beginning have CLAIMED to speak for ALL AAs. 'She has the Black Vote'. Many people pointed out to these Hillary supporters, from all backgrounds, that this in itself is Racist.

Just saying 'I'm Black' does NOT mean you speak for millions of other people.

I am glad to see that AAs are making THEIR feelings known, those who choose NOT to support Hillary who are growing in number every day.

She does not 'have the Black vote' nor she have the 'Latino vote' who also are making THEIR feelings known regarding this kind of campaigning. No group of people is monolithic none, and that effort to paint all AAs as 'Hillary supporters' was and is reprehensible and racist in itself and people are now letting her know that they will speak for themselves.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
18. Exactly
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 06:17 PM
Mar 2016

These are the people who talk, but never show up to vote in midterms. There is plenty of talk out there, but very little action. Everyone just wants to go viral.

 

Freaked Out

(74 posts)
45. I feel sorry for you.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 07:15 PM
Mar 2016

You voted against your best interest. I am just gobsmacked that you are a minority and voted a path to a racist President.

That's right. Voting for Clinton equals a Trump Presidency. There is no other alternative.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
17. Actions speak louder than words
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 06:15 PM
Mar 2016

Clinton really isn't to blame for the lack of diversity among elected officials, that's a structural problem that no one person is to blame for. More minorities do need to run for office to institute change.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
54. Yeah, I think it is interesting this is Hillary's fault when she has done more to promote diversity
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 08:53 PM
Mar 2016

in politics than anyone else running for president. It really seems like people think it just takes a magic wand to do things.
It is disheartening. I hope she does start thinking about getting involved in local politics.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
20. "AAs are fleeing Hillary's campaign in droves."
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 06:21 PM
Mar 2016

Amazing that this is wishful thinking around here. With it being factually incorrect that is what it is.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
30. And what is 'Hillary has the Black vote' to you? I found it racist from the start, to arrogantly
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 06:29 PM
Mar 2016

lump all AAs into one 'Hillary package' assuming they are 'all the same'. It is offensive, and now AAs are stating their own feelings about it.

And yes minorities, not just AAs are fleeing her campaign in droves.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
33. I've said before that both candidates have to earn their vote.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 06:38 PM
Mar 2016

Make all the accusations you want from the words of others. I'm good with it.

I have a great appreciation for the verbiage being used around here after SC. Some things are worse than I thought they were. Transparency is always good.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
42. Yes, no candidate should be a 'presumed Front Runner' and that was the problem from
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 07:11 PM
Mar 2016

the beginning. We were TOLD 'this is your candidate' and frankly, for me, that was simply unacceptable in a democracy.

But we agree that ALL candidates must EARN votes which is why I totally and competely regject the 'hold your nose and vote' tactic that many of us have sadly, participated in for far too long, giving us the Corporate controlled Govt we now have. I admit my part in causing this to happen.

Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
22. I did not vote for Hillary Clinton...
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 06:21 PM
Mar 2016

but I don't disagree with her advice to the young lady here either and, hopefully, she WILL run for office at some point in the future.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
24. I repeat, the common touch of Marie Antoinette,
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 06:23 PM
Mar 2016

the humility of Napoleon and the ethics of Richard Nixon.

She is a person of many parts, truly.

Renaissance Man

(669 posts)
26. The young lady's response should have been ...
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 06:25 PM
Mar 2016

The young lady's response should have been:

"Well, gee Hillary. Lloyd's been avoiding my calls, and Jamie's yachting in UK. You think you could get them on the line for me?"

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
40. Good response IF that had been the topic which it wasn't. What it was
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 07:07 PM
Mar 2016

was an attempt to deflect, rather arrogantly, from the legitimate question the woman asked. Do you think people fall for responses such as yours? They don't.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
60. Look at polls going back six months
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:45 PM
Mar 2016

And tell us whose support is going well. She was ahead back then by 60 points.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
47. Yes, in droves. I will be posting something on that very subject, why Hillary is losing the minority
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 07:29 PM
Mar 2016

and the women's vote later. No question, as more is revealed and as more minorities learn that they have a choice, AAs and Latinos are switching from the Clintons to the person they believe will best represent their interests.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
61. Here are some fresh stats to help with your OP!
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:12 AM
Mar 2016

Gender Women 65 33

Race Whites 50 48

Blacks 83 15

Hispanics 63 36



Whoops!

George II

(67,782 posts)
50. "AAs are fleeing Hillary's campaign in droves."? Tell that to the AAs in South Carolina, Georgia...
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 08:14 PM
Mar 2016

...and Virginia, and most likely several other states tonight and in the coming weeks.

At least they're not fleeing Sanders' campaign, they never were there in the first place.

Buzz cook

(2,470 posts)
51. This
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 08:37 PM
Mar 2016
Clinton went on to reference Abdi Warsame, the first Somali-American elected to the Minneapolis City Council, which the woman questioned, arguing he lacked authenticity.


Clinton exhibits detailed knowledge pertinent to her questioner. Questioner rejects knowledge because...why?

I seriously doubt Bernie could name a local level African American politician outside New England.
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