2016 Postmortem
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Michael Whouley, now advising Bill, previously used Gore's 2000 motorcade to block Bradley voters from NH polls
UPDATE: #MoveBillGetOutTheWay hashtag now active:
Spencer Reed @SpencerColeReed 5h5 hours ago
Video of Bill Clinton in MA apparently blocking a voting precinct for over two hours today. #MoveBillGetOutTheWay bit.ly/...
I thought that I had lowered my expectations in this election. But to have this outrageous theft of voting by blocking voting by Bill/Hillary Clinton is beyond the pale.
Bill Clinton, for those of you who haven’t heard, crisscrossed all over Massachusetts voting stations, and BLOCKED THE VOTING FOR SEVERAL HOURS while people were held in line to wait or told to come back. He blocked the vote of citizens of this country and used a bullhorn to urge people to vote for Hillary right within the polling station immediate area in violation of Massachusetts law, apparently. Coincidentally, this happened in heavily Sanders areas.
People do not have hours to wait in line to vote. They have work to get back to, children to pick up, apppointments to keep, and some people are not physically able to withstand that long a wait. This amounts to blocking the voting. I just cannot believe that this has happened. And so openly.
IS THIS A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY?
I cannot believe the utter contempt for the democratic voting process by the Clinton Machine…..
THIS IS SERIOUS.
If you are a Clinton supporter and dont’ see what the matter is with this, then there is nothing anyone can do to explain it to you. Just imagine that a Bernie surrogate prevented the voting in a heavily Clinton area.
THIS IS SERIOUS. Mr. Sanders, do something to protect your voters and all voters. This is the type of shit that African Americans have had to put up with all their existence. Now it is being done to Bernie supporters.
This is unAmerican, unDemocratic……
A Massachusetts voter was fuming after she says her polling location was shut down to accommodate a visit by Bill Clinton on Tuesday.
Angela Grace posted cell phone video showing orange barrels and yellow police line tape at what she says was a New Bedford voting location.
“They are affecting the voting at this poll. It’s ridiculous. It’s fraud and illegal,” she declared while panning the camera across the scene showing the media and police milling about while dozens of observers are cordoned off.
“From one side of the street to the other, there’s no way anybody can get down here to vote.”
She laid the blame at the feet of the New Bedford mayor, Jon F. Mitchell.
Another video, posted by WFHN, shows Mitchell speaking into a bull horn after Bill Clinton addressed the crowd for several minutes.
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/03/02/1494189/-Hillary-what-do-you-have-to-say-about-BILL-BLOCKING-VOTERS
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JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Abysmal performance with minority voters. Massachusetts wasnt the problem.
Segami
(14,923 posts)you would find that acceptable?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)any candidate started to outright buy votes?
This is the kind of shit that State screams over ... when it happens in India, or Mexico (I could tell stories), or Indonesia, but we have no problem here?
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)
jillan
(39,451 posts)The Traveler
(5,632 posts)Process matters. People who act like they are above the law and rules in situations like this are usually pretty sure they are. Throughout this primary season, the process has been tainted and heavily weighted to procure a specific outcome ... from debate schedules to media suppression to use of the media to spread disinformation (or at least statements that were quickly shown to be not true).
It does raise questions of character. This was not some dweeb supporter who acted out of line or shot off his mouth ... this is a former President of the United States and the current husband of the Democratic front runner and an important influence on both party and the Clinton 2016 campaign. Interfering with the voting process is completely wrong ... and in the case of a man of his stature, experience and credentials completely incomprehensible. Thus it does send a message to all who really want to hear. A question you have to answer for yourself is: "Do I approve of this sort of thing?"
We Sanders people will continue to try to reach minority voters. We might even succeed. The Clinton folk have some questions to ask of themselves, and of the campaign they support.
Trav
renate
(13,776 posts)
beac
(9,992 posts)
I thought all Democrats were against tactics to make voting difficult (never mind violations of election laws.) It seems some in are party are completely fine with it now that Bill Clinton is the one doing it.
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DrDan
(20,411 posts)revbones
(3,660 posts)
jfern
(5,204 posts)Only us worthless peons have to follow laws.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)and by 72 points in Vermont.
Hillary won by only 1 point in Massachusetts.
This was Bernie's night. Bill can't stand it when Hillary loses.
She should drop out of the race and leave it to Bernie.
The states she won in for the most part will never vote for her in November. She is wasting precious time on this campaign.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)This is just ridiculous.
Nobody should drop out yet, 74% of the delegates are still up for grabs.
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Agschmid
(28,749 posts)So again can we agree it's ridiculous to call for the front runner to drop out?
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Svafa
(594 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Are you being serious? 
JudyM
(29,785 posts)This is so transparently a plan to block voters. Do her supporters actually not feel at all squirmy about disenfranchisement here?
We are Sanders supporters in very large part because of the the integrity/corruption differential between these candidates. This application of her do-whatever-serves-her-interests M.O. Puts it all in bad-relief... Her real values do not include real democratic processes.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)floppyboo
(2,461 posts)from a RT op-ed (guess I've discredited this already..) this last December. Link follows for the whole sordid story.
"Haiti is currently in the midst of an electoral crisis because the US wants to dictate who the next president will be. In 2010, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton interfered in Haiti’s election results denying the people their right of self-determination. According to the previous (and now current) head of Haiti’s Presidential Electoral Commission (EC), Pierre Louis Opont, the EC had prepared election results to be publicized; those results were passed on to Cheryl Mills, the Chief of Staff of then-Secretary Clinton. But, instead of announcing the two winners, who would then compete in a runoff, Mills announced a completely different result. Opont and the remaining Commission members were shocked, but said or did nothing at the time and allowed the fraudulent result to stand.
In July 2015, Opont went public with the saga, just as Haiti was about to commence its Presidential campaign for 2015. Needless to say, the US-backed Michel Martelly, an entertainer known onstage as “Sweet Mickey” went on to ‘win’ the Haitian election, defeating Jude Celestin, who had the backing of outgoing President Rene Preval, a Jean-Bertrand Aristide ally. Democracy denied."
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/325895-haiti-presidential-elections-clinton/
Hekate
(100,133 posts)floppyboo
(2,461 posts)"Clearly, an election that was so severely flawed and plagued by irregularities cannot be considered legitimate. But even less excusable is the exclusion of the country's most popular political party – the equivalent of banning the Democrats or Republicans in the United States. This "exclusion will undermine both Haitians' right to vote and the resulting government's ability to govern," wrote 45 Democratic members of Congress to US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on 7 October 2010. They asked her not to provide "funding for elections that do not meet these minimum, basic democratic requirements". These pleas were ignored."
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/jan/10/haiti-oas-election-runoff
It's all over the web. The latest December delay is another thing
A quick search of American sources (yes, I know RT is not welcome here - I was alerted and banned once for publishing a benign quote for being a troll - ha!) comes from a blog that has press references.
Again, here is a snippet with following link:
"A look through the most recent batch of e-mails released from the private server of Hillary Clinton may provide some answers. In July 2012, Deborah Sontag of the New York Times wrote a front-page article on U.S. relief efforts in Haiti, focusing on the flagship reconstruction project, the Caracol industrial park. The article was critical of the efforts by the U.S. and by the U.S. State Department in particular, led at the time by Clinton.
A top aide to Clinton, Cheryl Mills, wrote to a number of State Department employees just days after publication, forwarding a message from a contractor about the article and the need for an organized pushback effort. Mill’s comments are entirely redacted, but she then forwarded it to Clinton, whose response (PDF) illuminates the sometimes nefarious connection between the government and our news media.
“What's been fallout and how's our pushback working? Can we use WPost to respond …?” Clinton wrote. It wasn’t just hypothetical; Clinton continues: “… the way we did on summer work program?”
Perhaps it is of little surprise then that the Washington Post is pushing such a decidedly State Department line regarding the elections in Haiti. "
http://haitielection2015.blogspot.ca/2015/12/new-york-times-and-washington-post.html
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)(I'd give more links for the monkey biz in dec.15, but surprise, its not in the MSM)
"A Clinton Apology and Failed Policies
Former United States President Bill Clinton, then the U.N. Special Envoy to Haiti, publicly apologized in 2010 for forcing Haiti to drop tariffs on imported, subsidized U.S. rice during his time in office. The policy all but wiped out the Haitian rice, sugar, and poultry sectors, and was another serious blow to Haiti's self-sufficiency."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/georgianne-nienaber/haiti-election-aftermath_b_8769550.html
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)It deserves it's own post and not to be buried in this one.
Every story that shows her character should be out there.
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)and would be preaching to the mostly converted. Seems the Hillary fans are immune to any uncomfortable facts.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)That the 3rd Way Republicrats and the Clintons care 2 hoots for democracy.
Segami
(14,923 posts)and said 'whatcha gonna do about it'?......
Eric J in MN
(35,639 posts)That used to be my favorite thing she says.
But assuming Bill Clinton got her permission before blocking a polling place for at least 2 hours, she doesn't mean it when she says says nobody should have to wait more than 30 minutes to vote.
Segami
(14,923 posts)was "nobody should have to wait more than 30 minutes to vote"...(sotto voce) If you were casting your vote for her
....but if you were casting your vote for someone else......pack a lunch, water and lawn chair,....the wait will be hours.
renate
(13,776 posts)He's been surrounded by the Secret Service and all of its accoutrements for more than two decades. He knew exactly what he was doing when he decided to do his little "look at me... I mean, yay democracy" or whatever message he was trying to spread.
I mean, if he wasn't campaigning outside a polling place, exactly what the hell was he doing there?
His sense of entitlement and total lack of consideration for voters who had lives to get back to is so galling. I guess he thought it was some big treat for them to get to see him--and worth all the extra time it cost them. Ick ick ick ick ick.
My distaste for him doesn't extend to Hillary... I don't think she enjoys campaigning as much as he did/does. He's just such a narcissist. Ick.
Fairgo
(1,571 posts)We need the UN to monitor our elections
riversedge
(80,802 posts)Don't know what it has to do with this naked abuse of power, but you are right.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)to be campaigning within 150 ft of a polling place and Bill was INSIDE.
That probably means your biased opinion is incorrect or they wouldn't have made it ILLEGAL
Segami
(14,923 posts)
Chris Hurst @churst19 7h7 hours ago
Bill Clinton 50ft from a poll place electioneering #MoveBillGetOutTheWay
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Appears to be a Bernie supporter as well.
beac
(9,992 posts)That person should face consequences too.
But that person did not SHUT DOWN several polling places for HOURS like Clinton did.
Bill Clinton PREVENTED PEOPLE FROM BEING ABLE TO VOTE.
Do you SERIOUSLY think that's appropriate behavior from anyone, much less an ex-President?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)It appears that a lot of people elected to stay outside and watch him.
beac
(9,992 posts)no one being able to get in for over two hours.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)many many complaints. Where are they? I see crowds by the door- and am guessing she is pissed off they did not want to go in.
Same lady went totally nuts over one person wearing a green T shirt with an H on it. Around here, people just zip their jackets as they go into the polls. Every time someone posts a Youtube video around here there are people calling for arrests. It's like the Stazi around here.
beac
(9,992 posts)
What Clinton did was WRONG. Why is it so hard for you to admit that?
I'm sure he loves his wife and wants her to win, but showing up with a bullhorn at a polling place is NOT OKAY. Never mind ENTERING a polling place as he did in Boston, which is 100% a violation--- for which he got a "please don't do that again" wristslap warning from the MA Secy of State.
Clinton did these things because a) he knew Hillary supporters wouldn't care and b) as an ex-Pres, he knew the worst he'd get was a "warning."
If Bernie Sanders had done this, you all would be losing your damn minds. (And I would be condemning him for it BECAUSE IT IS WRONG!)
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)take her word for it. Sorry.
beac
(9,992 posts)I'd be careful with your assumptions and name-calling.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Apparently her rantings are enough to have people screaming here for arrests. To me, that's really telling.
beac
(9,992 posts)There are pictures of Bill Clinton INSIDE a polling place in Boston and video of him talking about Hillary using a bullhorn outside the polling place in New Bedford.
This was a BLATANT case of electioneering and there is no way to spin it otherwise.
Can you give me ANY other reason that Bill Clinton should be visiting precincts EXCEPT to influence voters and cause chaos?
He has NO connection to Massachusetts. Why not visit precincts in Arkansas if all he wanted to do was "greet voters"? Oh that's right, because his wife wasn't running neck and neck with Bernie in Arkansas.
Bill Clinton did this because he knew he could get away with it without even a slap on the wrist. But that doesn't make it right.
Bill Clinton has proved once again that he plays dirty and doesn't give a crap who knows it.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)for him to visit inside a polling place. Honestly, I had heard he was allowed 50 feet away- which he appeared to be, and someone else said 150 feet- which I think was incorrect, so I really can't trust what info is out there. The woman who is on the video says people can't move, but I see crowds on both sides and do not see anyone complaining they cannot reach the polling place. Only the one woman- mostly complaining about parking spaces! Wow.
Your main issue seems to be which state this happened in, because she won there- and not that it happened.
Again, that is telling.
beac
(9,992 posts)When I called his office today, the staffer said when they heard that Bill Clinton was inside a polling station they called his campaign and told them he had to get out of there IMMEDIATELY because he was in violation of Massachusetts election law.
They knew he was going to New Bedford next and told him to measure 150 feet from the entrance to the polling station when they got there and stay outside that line. Clearly, Clinton did not do that and even if he had been standing 150 feet away, a BULLHORN kind of defeats the purpose of that barrier.
Your main issue seems to be that Bill Clinton got caught being a rule-breaking jackass and you cannot deal with that truth. That is indeed telling.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Yet people are posting that video and calling for blood. Because one lady lied on a video.
As far as I know, going inside was completely legal if he did not use her name, and no one has claimed he did.
beac
(9,992 posts)Massachusetts instructed Clinton to get the hell out of that polling place?
And it is NOT "one video". His misdeeds have been captured on multiple videos and in photos.
Really, you are just being willfully ignorant at this point.
I am done arguing with you. You think Bill Clinton's dirty tricks are a-okay and that tells me all I will ever need to know about you. Further engagement would be unproductive.
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bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Especially since it appears the only person there was venomous.
Yesterday there were complaints people walking for four blocks is voter suppression. That shit is crazy. Just no.
senz
(11,945 posts)Surely it's illegal to interfere with voting. Yesterday someone discovered that it's also illegal to campaign within 50 feet of a voting location in Massachusetts. He flouts the law and should not be permitted to get away with it. In blocking voters, did Bill change the outcome of the election?
Take him to court.
I hope other primary states will be on the alert for these shenanigans.
The behavior of the Clintons in so many areas -- their foundation's finances, Hill's weapons sales for contribution deals as SOS, the email server fiasco -- is shockingly scofflaw, disrespectful of our government and the people it serves.
Lee Fang is an amazing reporter, and I trust him.
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)
GreatGazoo
(4,606 posts)and they didn't even have to kick in for the $39 million private jet and Presidential suite that the Clintons usually require as part of their deals.
■ Round-trip transportation on a chartered private jet “e.g., a Gulfstream 450 or larger jet,” plus round-trip business class travel for two advance staffers who will arrive up to three days in advance.
■ Hotel accommodations selected by Clinton’s staff and including “a presidential suite for Secretary Clinton and up to three (3) adjoining or contiguous single rooms for her travel aides and up to two (2) additional single rooms for the advance staff.”
■ A $500 travel stipend to cover out-of-pocket costs for Clinton’s lead travel aide.
■ Meals and incidentals for Clinton, her travel aides and advance staff, as well as all phone charges.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/high-fashion-expense-hillary-travel
renate
(13,776 posts)I truly, honestly, 100% don't hold it against either of them if they can have things like that in their contracts. If people are willing to pay for that, that's great. They've earned the right to live it up. It matters not to me, because the people who are paying for that kind of luxury are going to spend it on something stupid, so why not that.
But I love the way you pointed out that an appearance by Bill Clinton is not undertaken lightly; he certainly had an agenda besides curiosity about seeing how the little people vote. That agenda, no serious-minded person would argue against, was CAMPAIGNING at a fricking POLLING PLACE which is ILLEGAL.
Ugh. I used to like him but now he disgusts me.
GreatGazoo
(4,606 posts)There is a Hillary story about one of their first dates, walking through a museum that was closed due to a "labor dispute" by the peasants. I think it is revealing of their mutual love of power, perhaps even lust. I mean she found it really romantic that the rules for the little people didn't apply to them. Bill got them in allegedly by saying they would pick up litter but there is no mention of them doing that after they got in, only sitting on sculpture with no one to tell them not to.
http://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/18841/hillary_rodham_bill_clinton_and_the_1971_yale_strike
lebkuchen
(10,716 posts)Why don't stateside voters do the same, especially to avoid the lines, lack of a paper ballot, etc, etc?
mylye2222
(2,992 posts)
Blue_Adept
(6,499 posts)That'll rally people to your side!
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)And Bill was INSIDE them.
What else do you expect from them?
Oh, man, the image of Divine saying she'd claw her way to the top just came to mind. The Clintons will do ANYTHING, lie, cheat, steal, send their daughter out to tell lies and smear a decent man. What wouldn't they do?
CountAllVotes
(22,214 posts)150 feet and he was in there? What the hell!
Admittedly, I've never liked him and his politics have always stunk to high heavens.
Now he is appearing at the polls !!!
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)CountAllVotes
(22,214 posts)I've noted that before any of the debates started (1 minute ahead of the start time) he is on twitter and tweeting away about how we are going to see what we will be getting and what a great thing his wife is. Too me, that was a bit beyond the pale but this ... IT IS WAY BEYOND THE PALE!
In fact, I'd deem it criminal if anything at all!! 
Who exactly does he think he is anyway? He is an old has been trying to worm himself back into the Office of the President of the United States, not the reincarnation of GOD as he'd like you to believe!!
JudyM
(29,785 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)He took a lot of the pictures.
That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)From artislife: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280131804
https://www.change.org/p/massachusetts-attorney-general-maura-healey-arrest-prosecute-bill-clinton-john-f-mitchell-violation-of-ma-election-laws
It could not be any clearer in the Massachusetts General Laws. "Campaigning within 150 feet of a polling station, or in any way interfering with the right to vote". Choosing the critical battleground state of Massachusetts, Bill Clinton should immediately be subject to arrest and prosecution. Bill Clinton was not only electioneering within the boundary. Although the spokesperson for “I never had sexual relations with that woman” Bill Clinton denies that he was ever inside a polling place, photos and video show him clearly greeting and talking up election workers inside.
After being told to refrain from this activity, for Clinton indeed must have known the law and chose to violate it. Bill Clinton does not vote in Massachusetts, and would have no other business in a polling station on election day besides campaigning for his wife.
Segami
(14,923 posts)targeted (by the campaign) to be obstructed by Bill Clinton under the guise of shaking hands?
Segami
(14,923 posts)In his memoirs, former Al Gore/John Kerry campaign manager Bob Shrum shared a secret tale from the 2000 New Hampshire primary. The vice president's lead had been slipping in the hours before Election Day. On the day itself, Tim Russert called Shrum to share/cheer about exit polls showing Bill Bradley heading to an upset win. Shrum consulted with his turnout guru.
Soon Wholey heard from an irate vice president. He was causuing a massive traffic jam and it was time to call off this last-minute foray. Whouley was reluctant to tell him the truth, instead explaining that we had to fight for every last vote. But voters, Gore snapped, were having trouble getting to the polls. Whouley cleared his throat: "But sir, they're mostly Bradley voters." He didn't need to say anything more. Gore got the point and continued on, although there wasn't enough time to go on to the last stop Whouley had planned. The traffic was just impossible.
This never became a huge scandal, for one big and one small reason. Big reason: Gore had already lost the presidency. Who cared how he won a primary on the way to Florida? Small reason: There wasn't exactly a pattern of Gore committing such crimes against democracy.
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http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/01/08/that_time_al_gore_blocked_traffic_to_win_an_election_or_why_christie_s_scandal.html
KoKo
(84,711 posts)that Gore showed just because "they could." The vote total from Massachusetts didn't come in until after 11:00 p.m. last night. Some counties seemed to have problems reporting and CNN said they would have to check to find out what was going on. As of 11:00 when I cut out they still didn't explain why those votes in Mass were being delayed and Clinton/Sanders were within 1-3 points from the time the first votes came in.
Something needs to be checked out in Massachusetts:
Soon Wholey heard from an irate vice president. He was causuing a massive traffic jam and it was time to call off this last-minute foray. Whouley was reluctant to tell him the truth, instead explaining that we had to fight for every last vote. But voters, Gore snapped, were having trouble getting to the polls. Whouley cleared his throat: "But sir, they're mostly Bradley voters." He didn't need to say anything more. Gore got the point and continued on, although there wasn't enough time to go on to the last stop Whouley had planned. The traffic was just impossible.
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)beac
(9,992 posts)Last night, this place was swarming with Hillarians claiming he only shook hands and thanked poll workers. And that it was "the same" as any citizen holding a Bernie or Hillary sign 150 feet away from a polling place!
Bill Clinton was not only stumping for his wife within 150 feet of a polling place, he shut down voting in several precincts FOR HOURS!
THAT IS NOT DEMOCRACY!
Blue_Tires
(57,596 posts)try harder
beac
(9,992 posts)How is that a "smear"?
Did you watch the video? Clinton is right outside a polling place on a bullhorn thanking people for supporting Hillary right after the pro-Hillary mayor declares New Bedford "Clinton country!"
Facts are facts and they are on tape. Try "hard" all you want to dispute a video.
it still means nothing in the long run...was there anybody who wanted to vote and wasn't able to?
beac
(9,992 posts)that a multi-hour shut-down wherein people couldn't even drive anywhere near the place and the people already there were in huge long lines for what looked like a pretty tiny polling place didn't prevent some people from voting?
I am honestly STUNNED that DEMOCRATS are saying "Meh" to a situation that made it hard to impossible for people to vote, nevermind the blatant electioneering.
Glad to know that you think the rights of your fellow citizens "mean nothing."
Segami
(14,923 posts)This was a campaign strategy, it did not happen by chance. These districts were targeted to be disrupted.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1391637
beac
(9,992 posts)the internet was not what it is today. And cellphone cameras weren't everywhere.
Sadly, even with all the coverage, Clinton knows he will probably get away with it. He thinks he is above the law and he probably is.
It's sickening.
Segami
(14,923 posts)
'I DID NOT BLOCK THE VOTING PLACE FOR SEVERAL HOURS WHILE PEOPLE WERE HELD IN LINE TO WAIT OR TOLD TO COME BACK...
.....I JUST HAPPEN TO STOP BY CHANCE TO SAY HOWDY!'
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)yea, right!
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)How does that stack up with Hillary's declaration that no one should have to wait for more than 30 minutes to vote. I guess it's only 30 minutes when you are voting for HER, but if you're voting for someone else. . wait all day.
That's the ISSUE. How does that square with what SHE SAYS?
Because she never really means what she says, she just says it for effect.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)they attack the messenger. Typical diversionary tactic, because they have nothing else.
beac
(9,992 posts)as I am pretty sure this didn't get her one additional vote but it did piss a lot of people off. Even if it wasn't illegal, it looked VERY BAD.
What do the Clintons not understand about avoiding even the appearance of impropriety? If people already think you play dirty, don't do things that reinforce that impression.
Segami
(14,923 posts)who doesn't genuflect before a Clinton. I wonder how she feels hanging out with her BFF smear-rodent David Brock? Now thats a real smear artist to boot.......I guess you overlooked that, yes?
Blue_Tires
(57,596 posts)Greenwald is so batshit in his Hillary derangement he's kicking the tires on Trump(!) now, along with Scahill and the rest of the little boys club...
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)or maybe your tag line, with presumably you as the more intelligent, is sarcasm. It's early and my comedy brain isn't on yet, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. haha I suppose.
randome
(34,845 posts)...Clinton shouldn't have been anywhere near a polling place while votes were being cast. Still not illegal but a bone-headed move, IMO. There was nothing to be gained by being there.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)He was inside shaking hands.
You do the math.
democrank
(12,596 posts)Who do you believe? Bill Clinton or your lying eyes?
Faux pas
(16,356 posts)they are the perfect partners in crime. 
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)JudyM
(29,785 posts)What if it were your vote that was being blocked by such a scheme??
Or is everyone here just about win-at-all-costs, to hell with our democratic values?
beac
(9,992 posts)Not a single reply so far.
JudyM
(29,785 posts)brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Not the Sanders campaign
Not a Sanders pollwatcher
Not a single voter
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)I know Hillary and her supporters like to dismiss anyone who doesn't agree with them, but WE are not "nobody" and WE are complaining if you didn't notice.
stranger81
(2,345 posts)You can see their posts in the Sanders group.
And I'm sure they're not the only ones.
You can dispense with the pretense here.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)stranger81
(2,345 posts)not message board "grousing."
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Election officials in Massachusetts say no official complaints have been filed against former President Bill Clinton, who was spotted Tuesday shaking hands with those inside a Boston polling station.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/01/politics/bill-clinton-campaigning-polling-place-super-tuesday/
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)Bill is just a people's person and happened to pass by and saw a crowd, so he thought, hey let me see what is everybody is up to.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Her answer would be more like "do it again"
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)We need to do more than comment!
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Jitter65
(3,089 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)And I really don't expect to.
Tell me which candidates are a cult of personality, again.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)This is despicable and illegal as hell. Look at all of these people kept from voting!
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)If Bernie did this, there would be a million thteads about it.
