2016 Postmortem
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So what is it that cranks up her supporters so much that they are willing to look over even the most egregious and obvious hypocrisies of Hillary?
I mean, she can gin up a lie quicker than she can blink and the next day her supporters are shopping it around DU like magazine subscription salespeople knocking on your door.
1. Hillary supporters say $675k directly, $2.5mil to campaign aren't bribes and won't influence her. Well they conveniently ignore her selling her vote on the bankruptcy bill.
2. Hillary attacks Bernie on gun control by misleading and cherry-picking votes, but then quietly stops talking about gun control and raises money from NRA.
3. Hillary promises unions to fight the Colombia Free Trade Agreement, but her emails show she actively and secretly lobbied for it
4. Hillary deflects criticism about her being on the take by lying about Bernie, the one single honest candidate in the race specifically not taking corporate money. Seriously, how is this even possible?
5. Hillary refuses to release the transcripts. Her supporters brush it off as sexist to even ask her, or repeat the line that republicans need to release theirs first. Never mind that she is the one trying to say she'll regulate Wall St, not them.
6. Hillary doesn't take a progressive position until Bernie does, and then only goes halfway. Minimum wage? Bernie wants $15, Hillary says that is too much, so she'll do $12. Single-payer? Bernie wants it, she says it will "never, ever happen" even though she was for it before. It goes on and on.
7. Hillary blatantly lies during debates about Bernie wanting to get rid of Obamacare and start all over from scratch.
8. Hillary is a subject in an active FBI investigation. The FBI is not an arm of the republican party and her supporters will climb all over themselves to quote articles from mid-2015 or compare her case to Petraeus (who plead guilty) or spout talking points - the most egregious of which is to try to argue that because Colin Powell also had a private server, that it is ok.
9. Her campaign is staffed by Goldman Sachs, yet her supporters see nothing wrong with this.
10. She takes money from private prisons and was a primary actor in the Crime Bill. Her supporters, rather than defend her position, simply cherry-pick Bernie's vote as if to say "But he also did it" which would supposedly make it ok. Nevermind that he only voted for it, after much negotiation and getting things like the Violence Against Women and Assault Weapons provisions.
11. She championed welfare reform. Regardless of how you view the terminology she used while championing it, you can't deny the damage it did to people.
12. She is against bringing Glass-Steagall back, and argues that Dodd-Frank is enough. Nevermind that Glass-Steagall protected us for decades and the provisions she's citing from Dodd-Frank are after-the-fact solutions which won't prevent another crash. She's even walked back her language on using that, to carefully phrase that she'd only use it if the system had already collapsed and the bank posed a systemic risk.
13. She ran an overtly racist campaign against Obama in 2008, but now hides behind his accomplishments. Her supporters are just fine with this because she worked in the Obama administration and that somehow makes it all better.
The list goes on and on...
Democrats joke about Republicans voting against their own interests, but it appears that they are just as deluded.
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katmondoo
(6,524 posts)Trump can say or do anything and not a word from DUers
revbones
(3,660 posts)But that doesn't excuse the behavior I noted in the original post.
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SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)If you want to discuss trump you should make an op
Otherwise you must be trying to derail the conversation
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)dchill
(42,660 posts)Republican in the Presidential Primary process!
Raster
(21,010 posts)...and this is DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND. Ya think?
revbones
(3,660 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)revbones
(3,660 posts)
Avalux
(35,015 posts)gcomeau
(5,764 posts)You don't have to stop doing anything else to start bashing Trump. Every day is a fine Trump bashing day.
Second of all, the time to "move on" to the General Election is called "after the Primary". That's how this sequence of events works you see. I know you would apparently really like the Primary to be declared over right this minute but there is still most of the country left to go.
book_worm
(15,951 posts)yes, it was said that about Obama supporters in 2008, too. It's really a dumb OP because you never see any of Bernie's supporters criticizng St. Bernie. He can do no wrong.
revbones
(3,660 posts)Thanks!
Basically you say it's a dumb post because I didn't complain about Bernie. Great logic when you don't have an argument against the premise.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)If those things were true of Sanders, if his past actions were different than what he was saying on the campaign trail, if his votes were for war and for bad trade agreements and for fracking, then I wouldn't be a Sanders supporter.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)Especially when compared to Saint Hill
SidDithers
(44,333 posts)Sid
revbones
(3,660 posts)Just continue ignoring the truth and deflecting. Speaks highly of her supporters and proves my point.
Thanks for playing.
SidDithers
(44,333 posts)Sid
revbones
(3,660 posts)SidDithers
(44,333 posts)Sid
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Wait until Michigan (Clinton +19)
or Florida (Clinton +29)
or Illinois (Clinton +19)
or Ohio (Clinton +15)
or.....
revbones
(3,660 posts)SidDithers
(44,333 posts)But that ain't gonna happen.
One writer said (paraphrased) 'Bernie needs landslides to counter landslides, and he doen't have them.'
Sid
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Awfully big cult there...
revbones
(3,660 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)And I'm not calling them names.
revbones
(3,660 posts)Darb
(2,807 posts)The Bernies are more negative by far if you ask me. For some reason the Democratic Party likes the long time Democrat. Oh the horror.
revbones
(3,660 posts)Darb
(2,807 posts)FYI.
Spare the Nose!!!
earthshine
(1,642 posts)Hillary supporters have ... preferences.
Now she's taking money from the NRA. She's a wholly owned subsidiary of the big-money interests.
Darb
(2,807 posts)And that is all it is. An opinion, and you know what those are like. Deal with it.
earthshine
(1,642 posts)No, I didn't forget it. That's what I see here. In general, Hillary people do not vote on issues, but rather practice identity politics.
I'll cite all of your posts as examples.
Darb
(2,807 posts)Document that bribery please. And if you might, can you please quantify how much influence 2.5 mil has in a billion dollar campaign in the real world, not Bernie supporter world. (with proof of quid pro quot of course)
2. Hillary attacks Bernie on gun control by misleading and cherry-picking votes, but then quietly stops talking about gun control and raises money from NRA.
Nothing misleading about it, Bernie sided with the NRA. Check Hillary's rating with the NRA.
3. Hillary promises unions to fight the Colombia Free Trade Agreement, but her emails show she actively and secretly lobbied for it
Document that tripe please, with all pertinent emails in the chain, not just hearsay from haters and baggers. And document her "promising" the unions while you are at it. Sorry if I don't believe you, but I don't.
4. Hillary deflects criticism about her being on the take by lying about Bernie, the one single honest candidate in the race specifically not taking corporate money. Seriously, how is this even possible?
Opinion, hyperbole, and libel.
5. Hillary refuses to release the transcripts. Her supporters brush it off as sexist to even ask her, or repeat the line that republicans need to release theirs first. Never mind that she is the one trying to say she'll regulate Wall St, not them.
Yeah, release more speeches so that the baggers and the Berners can cherry pick shit from them and squeal like stuck pigs. No thanks, you'll have to keep cherry-picking and squealing about everything else. And document the precedent that every spoken word has to be provided.
6. Hillary doesn't take a progressive position until Bernie does, and then only goes halfway. Minimum wage? Bernie wants $15, Hillary says that is too much, so she'll do $12. Single-payer? Bernie wants it, she says it will "never, ever happen" even though she was for it before. It goes on and on.
Opinion, and a bad one. Single payer is not a political reality and I think it is not good politics either. Americans work hard and don't want Medicare, they want health insurance, they just want better, more affordable health insurance. Medicare is for the poor, voters will not back getting the same insurance as people who cannot afford insurance for whatever reason. Sorry, reality bites, so does politics. A public option is the ticket. Ad another choice. That is the political reality.
7. Hillary blatantly lies during debates about Bernie wanting to get rid of Obamacare and start all over from scratch.
Document that please, will full context. But implementing single payer is getting rid of the Affordable Care Act. You saw how easy that was, single payer should be a cake walk.
8. Hillary is a subject in an active FBI investigation. The FBI is not an arm of the republican party and her supporters will climb all over themselves to quote articles from mid-2015 or compare her case to Petraeus (who plead guilty) or spout talking points - the most egregious of which is to try to argue that because Colin Powell also had a private server, that it is ok.
You are being ridiculous. You act like she attached classified material to an email to Putin. Patreus revealed secrets to a reporter he was sleeping with for fuck's sake. Is that the same thing to you? Damn, shark jump alert. The entire Bush admin used the RNC computer email to avoid scrutiny. Quit acting like this email thing is the worst thing since the founding fathers. Email hasn't even been used all that long. Quit siding with the Baggers on their with hunt.
9. Her campaign is staffed by Goldman Sachs, yet her supporters see nothing wrong with this.
Hyperbole, pure and simple. As written, that is total horseshit. Try again.
10. She takes money from private prisons and was a primary actor in the Crime Bill. Her supporters, rather than defend her position, simply cherry-pick Bernie's vote as if to say "But he also did it" which would supposedly make it ok. Never mind that he only voted for it, after much negotiation and getting things like the Violence Against Women and Assault Weapons provisions.
"Primary actor", only with Bernievision glasses. Don't tell me, she is also the Commander in Chief of the French and British armed forces and ordered them to bomb Libya. Has crime gone down since then? Is crime bad, si or no?
11. She championed welfare reform. Regardless of how you view the terminology she used while championing it, you can't deny the damage it did to people.
Sure I can. I deny it. How much welfare is too much?
12. She is against bringing Glass-Steagall back, and argues that Dodd-Frank is enough. Never mind that Glass-Steagall protected us for decades and the provisions she's citing from Dodd-Frank are after-the-fact solutions which won't prevent another crash. She's even walked back her language on using that, to carefully phrase that she'd only use it if the system had already collapsed and the bank posed a systemic risk.
Document that in full please. The President cannot bring back Glass-Steagall. When passing Dodd-Frank, why didn't they reinstate Glass-Steagal? Had the votes yet they didn't do it. As much as you Bernies want to pretend that political realities do not exist, they do. Everything is political. That is how the system was designed, checks and balances and hooooly shit, politics emerged. I know, I know, Bernie has a magic wand.
13. She ran an overtly racist campaign against Obama in 2008, but now hides behind his accomplishments. Her supporters are just fine with this because she worked in the Obama administration and that somehow makes it all better.
Apparently your definition of "overtly racist" and mine are quite different. Could you cite something overtly racist that happened 8 years ago amid the heat of a campaign? thanks.
There you go, I have addressed all the ridiculous rantings in the OP. Now dangle.
earthshine
(1,642 posts)You get credit for that, but not much else.
1. Hillary supporters say $675k directly, $2.5mil to campaign aren't bribes and won't influence her. Well they conveniently ignore her selling her vote on the bankruptcy bill.
Document that bribery please. And if you might, can you please quantify how much influence 2.5 mil has in a billion dollar campaign in the real world, not Bernie supporter world. (with proof of quid pro quot of course)
As they say, The proof is in the pudding. Release the transcripts, and let's see what she said to Goldman Sachs and the others. Why would they give her so much money for a measly set of words? It will be quantifiable only ex post facto. It's not affecting her campaign. It will affect how she governs.
2. Hillary attacks Bernie on gun control by misleading and cherry-picking votes, but then quietly stops talking about gun control and raises money from NRA.
Nothing misleading about it, Bernie sided with the NRA. Check Hillary's rating with the NRA.
Hillary gets an F. Bernie gets a D-. But, now the NRA is raising money for her. What's up with that? If I recall, there were other things in the bill that Bernie had to vote for.
3. Hillary promises unions to fight the Colombia Free Trade Agreement, but her emails show she actively and secretly lobbied for it
Document that tripe please, with all pertinent emails in the chain, not just hearsay from haters and baggers. And document her "promising" the unions while you are at it. Sorry if I don't believe you, but I don't.
http://www.ibtimes.com/hillary-clinton-pushes-colombia-free-trade-agreement-latest-email-dump-2326068
4. Hillary deflects criticism about her being on the take by lying about Bernie, the one single honest candidate in the race specifically not taking corporate money. Seriously, how is this even possible?
Opinion, hyperbole, and libel.
Hillary takes corporate money. This is a fact. Bernie doesn't. Another fact. Unfortunately, this is what our elections have devolved into. Who's got more money … but, obviously, money in politics does not concern you.
5. Hillary refuses to release the transcripts. Her supporters brush it off as sexist to even ask her, or repeat the line that republicans need to release theirs first. Never mind that she is the one trying to say she'll regulate Wall St, not them.
Yeah, release more speeches so that the baggers and the Berners can cherry pick shit from them and squeal like stuck pigs. No thanks, you'll have to keep cherry-picking and squealing about everything else. And document the precedent that every spoken word has to be provided.
I find your use of metaphors to be vitriolic and grotesque. You are a poor representative of your candidate.
Hillary takes money from Wall Street, makes speeches to them telling them the problems with the economy are not their fault, and then claims she will regulate them. Your argument is a nonstarter.
6. Hillary doesn't take a progressive position until Bernie does, and then only goes halfway. Minimum wage? Bernie wants $15, Hillary says that is too much, so she'll do $12. Single-payer? Bernie wants it, she says it will "never, ever happen" even though she was for it before. It goes on and on.
Opinion, and a bad one. Single payer is not a political reality and I think it is not good politics either. Americans work hard and don't want Medicare, they want health insurance, they just want better, more affordable health insurance. Medicare is for the poor, voters will not back getting the same insurance as people who cannot afford insurance for whatever reason. Sorry, reality bites, so does politics. A public option is the ticket. Ad another choice. That is the political reality.
Seems to me Americans want healthcare, not health insurance. I don’t want an insurance company between my Dr. and I. The death panels that Sarah Palin spoke of are not in the government. Rather, they are the actuaries of the insurance companies. A public option, which Obama ran on but never actually fought for, is a good step.
7. Hillary blatantly lies during debates about Bernie wanting to get rid of Obamacare and start all over from scratch.
Document that please, will full context. But implementing single payer is getting rid of the Affordable Care Act. You saw how easy that was, single payer should be a cake walk.
This is nonsense. No one thinks anything is going to be a cakewalk, and it will take several successful election cycles to make any real change. Bernie and most of his supporters have no illusions about this. Hillary was in favor of single-payer until she wasn't.
8. Hillary is a subject in an active FBI investigation. The FBI is not an arm of the republican party and her supporters will climb all over themselves to quote articles from mid-2015 or compare her case to Petraeus (who plead guilty) or spout talking points - the most egregious of which is to try to argue that because Colin Powell also had a private server, that it is ok.
You are being ridiculous. You act like she attached classified material to an email to Putin. Patreus revealed secrets to a reporter he was sleeping with for fuck's sake. Is that the same thing to you? Damn, shark jump alert. The entire Bush admin used the RNC computer email to avoid scrutiny. Quit acting like this email thing is the worst thing since the founding fathers. Email hasn't even been used all that long. Quit siding with the Baggers on their with hunt.
This is a red herring. Even Bernie said, “enough with the emails.” Petraeus should have been prosecuted. The FBI is investigating the emails. Why they are investigating, I don't know. The Bernie camp did not initiate this.
9. Her campaign is staffed by Goldman Sachs, yet her supporters see nothing wrong with this.
Hyperbole, pure and simple. As written, that is total horseshit. Try again.
I agree — hyperbole. It should have read, “Goldman Sachs is paying the salaries of her staffers through campaign contributions.”
10. She takes money from private prisons and was a primary actor in the Crime Bill. Her supporters, rather than defend her position, simply cherry-pick Bernie's vote as if to say "But he also did it" which would supposedly make it ok. Never mind that he only voted for it, after much negotiation and getting things like the Violence Against Women and Assault Weapons provisions.
"Primary actor", only with Bernievision glasses. Don't tell me, she is also the Commander in Chief of the French and British armed forces and ordered them to bomb Libya. Has crime gone down since then? Is crime bad, si or no?
You have offered up a non sequitur, here. Crime is bad. Imprisoning young blacks for minor, nonviolent offenses is also bad, and only serves to make profits for the prison industrial complex, which then makes contributions to the Hillary campaign. Why does the P-I-L want Hillary?
11. She championed welfare reform. Regardless of how you view the terminology she used while championing it, you can't deny the damage it did to people.
Sure I can. I deny it. How much welfare is too much?
I can't answer that question as written. It is undeniable that the poor and middle class as a whole are sinking lower, and that people need help. Bernie wants to build/fix infrastructure, create jobs, and take care of those who are falling through the cracks.
12. She is against bringing Glass-Steagall back, and argues that Dodd-Frank is enough. Never mind that Glass-Steagall protected us for decades and the provisions she's citing from Dodd-Frank are after-the-fact solutions which won't prevent another crash. She's even walked back her language on using that, to carefully phrase that she'd only use it if the system had already collapsed and the bank posed a systemic risk.
Document that in full please. The President cannot bring back Glass-Steagall. When passing Dodd-Frank, why didn't they reinstate Glass-Steagal? Had the votes yet they didn't do it. As much as you Bernies want to pretend that political realities do not exist, they do. Everything is political. That is how the system was designed, checks and balances and hooooly shit, politics emerged. I know, I know, Bernie has a magic wand.
No one thinks Bernie has a magic wand. At the very least, he will be an obstacle to further legalizing the lawlessness practiced by the big banks and Wall Street. Hillary takes their money. At the very least, it will make her less effective as a reformer.
13. She ran an overtly racist campaign against Obama in 2008, but now hides behind his accomplishments. Her supporters are just fine with this because she worked in the Obama administration and that somehow makes it all better.
Apparently your definition of "overtly racist" and mine are quite different. Could you cite something overtly racist that happened 8 years ago amid the heat of a campaign? thanks.
In 2008, I supported Hillary over Obama. But her campaigning was so vile, I switched to the other guy. These images were put out by the Hillary campaign – not republicans -- in 2008.
https://www.google.com/search?q=obama+in+native+african+garb&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjO2P2qgKPLAhUISCYKHdFXBSMQsAQIHA&biw=1621&bih=928
Here’s a video discussing her racist campaign. Start viewing at the 2:30 mark.
>> Now dangle.
How obnoxious!
All your posts are so full of venom, not truth. I will not communicate with you further. You want the last word? Come and get it, but do not expect that I will read it.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)"Spare the nose"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511393714
You sure have a way of attracting Bernie supporters to your side.
Darb
(2,807 posts)I will gladly and enthusiastically vote for Bernie in the General. We don't have a nominee yet. Isn't that what the Bernies keep telling us?
You won't say the same I'd bet.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)You have successfully cut your nose off to spite your face.
Ever seen "Salton Sea" with Val Kilmer?
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BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)In 2013 alone, Hillary collected over $2.9 million for 12 speeches to banksters (including the 3 to Goldman Sachs) and another $7 million for 29 speeches to other corporate interests.
From 2001 through 2015, Bill and Hillary cashed in for over $150 million.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)People vote, one by one. One individual heart and mind. Each person goes into the booth, shuts the curtain, and pulls the lever in complete privacy.
One by one, people have gone into the booth and voted for Hillary. Each individual person. Some have also voted for Bernie.
It's not complicated. 
revbones
(3,660 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)revbones
(3,660 posts)So educate us. Which item isn't true?
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)I just meant there is a lot of opinion on that list. I'll take #6 as an example - Hillary didn't take a liberal position until Bernie did. Hillary's been a liberal all her political life (yes, yes, Goldwater etc etc). She voted nearly identically to Bernie in the senate 95% of the time. She was one of the most liberal senators in the Senate.
So my OPINION is that Hillary is a liberal on many issues. I'm sure you disagree. However, we are not disputing facts, just opinions.
I like her. I think she's brilliant, competent, experienced, and electable. You clearly do not. It's fortunate that we both have a right to our vote.
Peace.
You actually say "Hillary's been a liberal all her political life (yes, yes, Goldwater etc etc)." then correct yourself in the same sentence!
So a similar voting record makes it all better? It's the 5% (and that's totally inaccurate btw) that is troubling.
Words have meanings. You can claim she is a moon around Jupiter but it doesn't make it true.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)I don't hold it against him. The "writings" that were posted on DU a couple of days ago are an example. People are often dumb when they're young. It's normal.
So, I really don't count the Goldwater thing. Hillary has been fighting for liberal ideals since she was a young woman. She has stood up for women's rights, children's rights, and minority's rights.
Nothing makes anything "all better". You can't say "words have meanings" and then use language like that.
What I am saying is that you and I both have our opinions of our candidates. Hillary supporters are individuals, with minds and hearts of their own. They are not a cult.
I find you a bit volatile so I'm going to stop responding here.
Peace.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)revbones
(3,660 posts)Good. You're just spouting things that have been disproven anyway.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)because Bernie has not been bought off by corporate interest he actually fights for the people, not the corporations. The Democrats are constantly caving to cuts to social services. I have disabled friends who just lost their SSI because of last year's budget deal that Democrats agreed to. Thanks Democrats. Bernie wants to expand SS and other social services. Bernie is a liberal. Hillary is not.
earthshine
(1,642 posts)... and corrupt to the core, just like her husband.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)which the cult will attack the messenger instead of explaining those issues. They never address the issues people have with issues, BUT all they do, just like Republicans, is change the subject, attack the messenger, etc. but NEVER acknowledge the issues.
Yea, that's the way to win people over (as they always say)
zappaman
(20,627 posts)
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)WDIM
(1,662 posts)And not one Hillicon supporter has refuted a single point you made. Good Job!
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)I can't blame them though, this stuff is indefensible.
Great post, revbones. 
Btw, this passed a jury 1-6. The technique is... when counterpoint fails, go for alert.
revbones
(3,660 posts)And to alert rather than simply continue to ignore the truth is appalling. Not only is that person(s) saying "I can't deal with the truth about her." but also wanting to prevent anyone else from seeing it.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)but yet they're the ones who claim to be offended. Much like the candidate.
"Say anything, do anything" politics is so old.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)1 half true the sentence at the end detracts from its truth
2 true she has taken nra money which cannot be mitigated by them running ads AGAINST his opponent but not FOR him
3. Totally true
4. Gonna say unproveable while known liars are on the trail telling known lies even as we speak she has not been found complicit but neither has she spoken out against known liars telling known lies in her behalf
5 totally true it was she who claimed in a debate to have told wall street to "cut it out" she claimed it it is incumbent on her to prove what she herself claimed
6. True starting low in negotiations is known to be foolish
7. True the framing of the issue has been disingenuous
8. True and the fbi only does.criminal investigations. This should trouble us.
9. Half true i think many are aware and concerned but not enough to look away from what they see as the bigger picture
10. True her active campaigning for it was bad and its a lose/lose for sanders as a no would be used against him over the womens issue. I always include bill in this as he signed it. He could have vetoed it and make them improve the bill or over ride his veto but he didnt. Nor.did he pocket veto it. His actions and hillaries were of total support.for the bill while.sanders vote was unsupportive compromising assent.
11. True this hurt a broad swath of americans of all demographics and and made life harder for our poorest people.
12. True someone who is given hundreds of millions by a group will never act against them
13. True i was there and i remember everything she did
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Frankly, I still am taken aback by the enumeration; and feel my loathing so far has been insufficient...
rock
(13,218 posts)You know, "The boy who cried wolf" Group.
revbones
(3,660 posts)Rather than dispute anything, you just ignore it and call it a right-wing smear. Good way to live.
rock
(13,218 posts)
revbones
(3,660 posts)Good way to dispute facts. Just call everything a right-wing smear. How is life in that alternate reality?
Avalux
(35,015 posts)You know, the "Hillary may I kiss your ring" group.
rock
(13,218 posts)Are you thinking of Sanders, perhaps?
revbones
(3,660 posts)Deflect, deflect, deflect.
At some point Hillary supporters will have to grow up and look in the mirror and decide whether they actually have any values worth standing up for or not.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)either now or in November
not the issues, not that she "stands for my group": just pure winning without any expectation of anything in return (except for pushing fewer stinkers than the GOP): a political system with all the air pumped out of it
they've taken away so much from voters in order to leave them GRATEFUL only for the fact that there's a candidate who's not a cross-burner on principle
earthshine
(1,642 posts)
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)This is the first time I have ever been on a cheerleading squad and the first time I have been part of a cult.
I want to publicly thank my cult leader for allowing me to take part in cheerleading.
"like magazine subscription salespeople knocking on your door."
Do they still do that? I can't remember the last time someone did that on my doorstep.
"Democrats joke about Republicans voting against their own interests, but it appears that they are just as deluded. "
So much in that one sentence. Not what you think. Love the transparency and what has come out here after SC democrats went to the polls.
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)And not one Clinton supporter addressing the issues listed above. You all have truly modeled yourself after the candidate. Asked a question? Give it the old, "Hey look over there!" treatment.
If her own supporters can't defend her actions, how are supporters of Bernie supposed to just jump on board with you? Blind faith?
XRubicon
(2,241 posts)"Democrats joke about Republicans voting against their own interests, but it appears that they are just as deluded."
They...lol.
artislife
(9,497 posts)
earthside
(6,960 posts)Now sit down, shut-up, and get on board.
