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[revbones]

1. But it's all just right-wing smears! She can't do anything wrong! How dare they!?!

[Bread and Circus]

60. LoL I thought you were serious (that's how bad they have become)

[bigwillq]

2. K and R

[yourpaljoey]

3. WE all have baggage; Hillary owns the luggage store... and maybe the factory

[sufrommich]

4. I see right wing cartoonist Glenn McCoy is taking a break from

his attacks on Obama to concentrate on Hillary.

[PonyUp]

5. What's the octopus in the Clinton Foundation bag represent? n/t

[Arazi]

8. Favorable arms deals to countries that gave generously to the Clinton Foundation

while HRC was SOS

[PonyUp]

9. Thanks! I googled hillary + octopus and couldn't find anything. n/t

[JackInGreen]

6. Though I agree with this alerters points about the artist pedegree..

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
On Wed Mar 2, 2016, 11:54 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Hillary's baggage (Cartoon)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511394205

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Ok, I'm a Sanders supporter, but Glenn McCoy is a RW douchebag whose cartoons have NO PLACE on DU.

"Glenn McCoy is an American conservative cartoonist, whose work includes the comic strip The Duplex..."

and

"In 2008, Daily Kos and Mother Jones claimed one of his cartoons portraying Barack Obama's opposition to the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act was "in extremely poor taste"."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_McCoy

Here's that cartoon. Do we want to promote this guy's crap?



You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:01 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Rightwing-smears.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Political satire about Hillary not allowed?

A vast right wing conspiracy INDEED. Leave it, her baggage should be on display and weighed vs. Bernies.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Agree with alerter, and I'm a Sanders supporter
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If you have an issue with THIS cartoon, feel free to alert, make your case and I'll certainly consider it. If you have an issue with OTHER stuff the cartoonist did, I'm not going to hid THIS cartoon because of it. The alerter asked us to hide THIS cartoon based on a different cartoon they linked to. Won't get a hide from me on this.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.



Mccoy is often a sack of shit, but we can call him that and still find that toon pointed.

[John Poet]

19. This alert is JUST FUCKING STUPID!

People can't handle a cartoon that *might* include what some consider right-wing themes?

It's HUMOR, for Christ sake.

Most of the stuff in that one was criticism from the left.



Sometimes people on this site are pretty pathetically thin-skinned.

[kgnu_fan]

7. Accurate

[Skinner]

10. This is from right-wing rag Townhall

http://townhall.com/political-cartoons/2016/02/26/139201

[left-of-center2012]

11. "This is from right-wing rag Townhall"

Actually it was the editorial cartoon in my morning paper.

[jillan]

14. The largest paper in Az is a right-wing rag. The guy who does the editorial cartoons is a die-hard

liberal....

so I guess I shouldn't post his cartoons either? That would be too bad, he is hilarious.

[Skinner]

16. Is the cartoonist who did the cartoon in the OP a die-hard liberal?

No, he's a right-winger.

[DesertRat]

20. You can't compare Pulitzer prize winner Steve Bensen to Glenn McCoy

McCoy also drew this one. Do you still think it's ok to post his cartoons here?

[jillan]

22. The truth of the matter is that these cartoons are just beginning. Either we toughen up or

get mad about it.

As a Bernie supporter, no I don't like that cartoon but I'm guessing that a lot of Hillary supporters would find that hilarious.
Claire McCaskill comes to mind.

[DesertRat]

25. I chose one of MCoy's least offensive Sanders cartoons, as an example.

Whether or not someone finds it hilarious is beside the point. It's about the double standard of anti-Hillary cartoons drawn by rw'ers being posted and rec'd and defended on a Democratic website.

If a thread was started with an anti-Bernie cartoon, it would be hidden within minutes. I personally don't think either belong here.

[auntpurl]

26. The GE will be tough; the Repubs will be slinging shit as usual

But we don't need to do their work for them. This is a Democratic website, for people who want to elect Democrats.

I have never in my life said a negative word about Bernie Sanders (ok, today I said I did not find him charming, but that's literally as negative as it gets). I don't need to. Supporting Hillary takes up the limited time I have on DU and other places online and in real life. There's no reason for me to trash another candidate on OUR SIDE using RW talking points.

[emulatorloo]

33. We can "toughen up" without promoting these right-wing fuck-heads' work on DU

I saw no critique in the OP, just promotion of the hack's cartoon.

[Cali_Democrat]

17. You can view many of the author's other toons on google images

He's definitely a right winger.

[Cali_Democrat]

12. Linking to right wing websites is becoming increasingly common here

I've seen links to the Washington Free Beacon and Infowars.

They're usually allowed to stand because the links are attacking Hillary.

[SwampG8r]

55. Isnt it awful? Pretty soon someone will link to stormfront..oh too late.

[Cali_Democrat]

59. Was the post to Stormfront hidden?

I didn't see that one.

The ones I've seen haven't been hidden.

[SwampG8r]

61. Have the goalposts moved when i looked away?

It was posted well before this
allowed to stand and defended
Dont play coy

[Cali_Democrat]

63. Did you not read my post before replying?

Linking to right wing websites is becoming increasingly common here

I've seen links to the Washington Free Beacon and Infowars.

They're usually allowed to stand because the links are attacking Hillary.

So....was the Stormfront post allowed to stand or not?

Can you provide a link? I never saw it.

[auntpurl]

13. Seriously, WHERE AM I THESE DAYS.

Literally just read the word "$hillary" in another post.

I don't have any desire to have the primaries cut short in real life, but man, I am excited for them to be over on DU.

[DesertRat]

15. Here here!

[noamnety]

23. "$hillary" is nothing new.

One of the hosts of the hillary group here has referred to her that way in the past - it's not anything new to this election cycle (only maybe new that some of the people who were calling her that act shocked now that anyone could be so disrespectful!).

[William769]

29. Welcome to the New DU!

[Squinch]

57. Gosh. If only there were someone who could do something about this kind of teabagger sludge

appearing on a site that used to be for democrats.

But sadly, I guess no one can do anything about it.

[left-of-center2012]

18. I saw this cartoon in my morning paper

But someone alerted because the cartoonist had a cartoon on a right wing site?
Kind of a stretch, which failed.

[DesertRat]

21. McCoy also draws anti-Sanders cartoons

Would you defend the right for them to be posted here too?

[NYC Liberal]

37. The cartoonist IS a right-winger. nt

[George II]

39. It failed probably because, as someone participating in this very discussion, says that....

....the ratio of Sanders to Clinton supporters on this site is about 7-1 (80-85%). So actually a 4-3 vote to keep it means that probably even one or two Sanders supporters on that jury thought it was offensive.

[noamnety]

24. The real reason the press couldn't film her boarding the plane. (nt)

[left-of-center2012]

27. Love it! :-) n/t

[grossproffit]

28. Is this your work? If not, you need a source.

Otherwise, it's stealing.

[left-of-center2012]

32. "Is this your work? If not, you need a source"

Cartoonist sig in upper right hand corner of cartoon.

[thereismore]

30. I like the octopus in the bag. That's what mafia is. nt

[Holly_Hobby]

34. Wow just wow LOL n/t

[JaneyVee]

31. More rightwing BS.

Operation Chaos 2016 in full effect.

[emulatorloo]

35. You know, these save right-wing fuckers are smearing Bernie too.

The enemy of my 'enemy' is not my friend.

Time to think long term and cut these shitheads off at the knees. Stop promoting them.

Unless I am confused about you and you are going to promote the Bernie smears too.

[NYC Liberal]

36. This is a fucking vile OP.

Posting right-wing trash is now acceptable here?

Disgusting.

Here are a few more examples of this cartoonist's work:

Shall I go fucking ON?

[eggplant]

38. AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

On Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:33 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

This is a fucking vile OP.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1396895

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

These posted cartoons go way beyond the OP and have no place here

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:38 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: You just keep thinking, Butch. That's what your good at.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Meh. I think most of us are capable of discerning trash when we see it.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: agree with the alert.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: YOU, alerter is the one that posted the bulk of the cartoons. The OP posted one, which is a valid commentary on the baggage HRC has accumulated and will be used against her. You can't change reality with an alert!

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[emulatorloo]

48. Your juror comment seem to be about the defending the Original Post

but that's not the post you were adjudicating.

You were adjudicating the post where NYC Liberal collected more examples of right-wing cartoonist Glen McCoy's work so DU'ers could understand more about how he visciouly smears Democrats.

It is a very educational post, and as noted earlier this right wing fucker smears Bernie too.

Certainly your right to embrace Glenn McCoy if you wish. Just be sure to be consistent and post all his work next time he comes out with an anti-Bernie cartoon.

[grossproffit]

53. +! I misread the other post. Thanks for posting this.

[grossproffit]

41. That alert is the epitome of chutzpah.

[NYC Liberal]

45. LOL...unbelievable. People will alert on anything.

The cartoons I posted are from the same cartoonist who drew the one in the OP, to illustrate that Glenn McCoy is indeed a right-winger.

[emulatorloo]

44. Thank you for putting these together. Unfortunately some posters just don't give a shit

As long as it attacks a Dem they don't like, they use it. No sense of long term consequences as these sources smear all Dems and progressives alike.

[Impedimentus]

46. I would never post cartoon material that I find disgusting. Is it disgust that you feel or ...

titillation ?

[NYC Liberal]

47. I would, to point out that the OP is posting right-wing shit from a right-wing

cartoonist.

Yes, I am absolutely disgusted that right-wing trash is PROMOTED and REC'd here.

[Impedimentus]

49. So, if my neighbor robs a bank it's okay for me to rob a bank to show my disgust with his actions ..

...?

Strange logic. Perhaps a better analogy would be finding some animal excrement on the side walk, and then getting a bigger pile of excrement and throwing it on the side walk and saying "see, I don't like that foul stuff!"

[NYC Liberal]

50. And what would you prefer? To NOT have it pointed out that the OP is posting

right-wing trash?

People post links to right-wing websites here all the time. They have for YEARS -- with the purpose of commenting on it or making a point.

Your logic makes ZERO sense. OP posted a right-wing cartoon from a right-wing cartoonist. Given that this is Democratic Underground, that fact should be pointed out. To do so requires evidence, which I provided to back up what I stated. Sorry if you don't like that I actually provided proof of my assertion.

[Impedimentus]

54. You could have provided your "proof" by simply listing a link with an explanation. Instead you

seemed to revel in making multiple posts of the very material you labeled as "trash". You seem to think that spreading more trash somehow is necessary to prove your point. A very strange and disturbing point of view. You seem to enjoy looking at trash and your posting of it proves it.

[NYC Liberal]

56. Which would have accomplished the same thing.

I don't revel in anything. It took under a minute with a Google Image search to find those images.

The problem is that the OP is PROMOTING it. If OP had posted the cartoon with some commentary along the lines of "Isn't it absolutely disgusting what this right-winger is drawing?" then I would have NO problem with it.

[emulatorloo]

52. OP loves his wingnut cartoon. NYC illustrates what a right-wing fuckhead the cartoonist is.

By showing DU more examples of the cartoonists work. Cartoonist smears all liberals and Democrats.

So therefore NYC has done DU service for illustrating how vile and disgusting this wing-nut cartoon is.

[revbones]

62. Typical Hillary supporter post - shoot the messenger n/t

No substance, just try to discredit it.

[840high]

51. ++++100

[demmiblue]

58. Unrec for posting a work from a conservative cartoonist. n/t