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[yallerdawg]

1. You know this is a Democratic website?

I think you would be more at home elsewhere?

[RufusTFirefly]

6. Yes. This person must have sneaked past security...

... without signing the loyalty oath.

If you say anything bad about HRH, you obviously can't be a Democrat!

[vdogg]

29. Funny, I've noticed the exact opposite with criticism of Bernie.

[yallerdawg]

59. What did Senator Sanders say?

"Yes, we do agree on a number of issues, and by the way, on her worst day, Hillary Clinton will be an infinitely better candidate and President than the Republican candidate on his best day."

Obviously not a role model.

[PatrynXX]

106. yaller seems to be loud

because you have to be with someone of 45,000 posts vs 3000 like trying to call Skinner a snake unwise. X_X (no seriously he is not a snake I just don't agree with him on the Jury system

[bigbrother05]

147. Member since 2002 and over 45K posts, that's some deep cover trolling

[RufusTFirefly]

149. I assumed a sarcasm smilie wasn't necessary. n/t

[bigbrother05]

158. It wasn't, that's why I was joining in the laughter n/t

[RufusTFirefly]

159. Ah yes! The ambiguity of the Internets!

It's a series of tubes, you know...

[azurnoir]

12. the person you're addressing has been here 12 years longer and 40,000+ posts more

than you , but yet you feel entitled to tell him .......

[oasis]

32. Right, that's why I didn't reply. I'm way to short on post counts.

Please excuse me while I return to the Cooking and Baking Forum.

[azurnoir]

39. just don't bernie anything

[oasis]

116. Ow! Pottery Barn rules apply here.

[azurnoir]

121. well except even Pottery Barn doesn't follow Pottery Barn rules

[oasis]

122. Who's a fella gonna believe you or, Colin Powell?

[azurnoir]

125. about pottery barn? don't know

[PonyUp]

126. That's Pottery Bern! nt

[Oilwellian]

19. WTF are you to tell a long time DUer such a thing?

That's mighty arrogant of you.

[yallerdawg]

43. Are you telling me you don't like what I'm saying?

You get to do that - but I don't?

This OP is viciously denigrating our Democratic nominee using 25 year old rightwing propaganda - as a nonchalant matter of fact - and that is cool with you.

Because I don't count.

GD - Garbage dump.

[TM99]

49. The Democratic nominee you say.

Have you time-traveled? Aren't we getting a little ahead of ourselves?

Sorry people who make these kinds of gross assumptions and distortions of reality generally don't count no matter what their post count.

If you don't like what he is saying during a still very active primary campaign, you are always free to trash the thread and move on.

[yallerdawg]

86. I have math skills.

I count ALL the votes.

But I know you all are sticklers for fact - so I'll concede 'presumptive' nominee, if it will make you happy.

[TM99]

93. It isn't about making me happy, it is about

being factual. A lot can happen between now and the convention, including the investigation of her server issues.

[colorado_ufo]

97. There ya go.

That would be correct.

"Sticklers for fact" - yeah - that would be me.

[davidthegnome]

105. If you're including the super delegates in that count...

you are counting inaccurately.

These are not pledged delegates. They can alter their vote at any time up until the convention. They have in fact, switched their votes in large numbers in the past... particularly during the 2008 primaries. So, no, you're not counting ALL the votes. You're counting pledged delegates and potential delegates. Those numbers will not be accurate until after we actually have a nominee. There is no telling how many super delegates may change their votes and/or why they might do so.

Frankly, I'd largely prefer our party got rid of the super delegates altogether - as they are extremely undemocratic. One person... one vote. It is a very simple concept, a simple thing to practice. The hardest working people in this Country get ONE vote. So should the so called "super delegates". It is a corruption of democracy.

[A Simple Game]

146. That's a good start. But...

could you explain to me where this came from

25 year old rightwing propaganda

when the OP was talking about a speech Hillary gave last night?

Tell me why I should believe anything you post and why I shouldn't use your support of Hillary as a reflection on all the rest of Hillary's supporters?

[green917]

167. ALL the votes

ALL the votes that have been counted to date have secretary clinton ahead by less than 200 delegates with 25 states yet to cast their votes. Super delegates don't count until the convention (because they don't vote until the convention)! So, your math is a bit fuzzy!

[yallerdawg]

173. No, you're picking and choosing which votes to count now.

There are primaries and caucuses, state conventions, and then a national party convention - where the actual voting begins.

You want to pick and choose which votes to tally now as if it would give you some kind of advantage - or better picture.

This may be new to you, but this is the way it has been done for decades!

Need 2,382 total delegate votes. To date, Hillary 1,062. Bernie 431.

[grasswire]

51. please show me the 25 year old rightwing propaganda.

25 years ago, I was defending the Clintons FROM the right wing.

[yallerdawg]

61. So what happened?

It wore you down? You got 'fatigued'?

They won?

[Depaysement]

66. Henry Kissinger

Hillary went from "It takes a Village" to "I have to destroy the Village in order to save it"

[Fairgo]

73. Well played

I am writing that one down.

[Depaysement]

137. Thank you

Global license granted!

[green917]

168. for the win!

Well played!

[Logical]

89. LOL, 3000 posts, well that tells it all. nt

[yallerdawg]

92. Am I sensing a certain snobbery here?

If I fly around and comment K&R 1000's of times in some echo chamber I'll have enough cred to comment when something offensive is posted?

Or I just need to wait - it's not my turn yet, I have to defer to the old posters?

[svpadgham]

110. There are a lot of last word types here.

Some people just really like to argue an won't quit posting until they have the last word. To be honest, I've been a member for close to 12 years with fewer than 1000 posts, and probably 99% of them are garbage snide comments.

[Gwhittey]

127. Wait

So are you telling him he does not get to tell you not to tell someone else not to tell this other person not to do something? How dare you stop that right now!!

[840high]

48. WTF?

[revbones]

53. Wow!

It's this type of logic that defies reason. You seem to think Democrats are not smart enough to be fact-based and therefore can't read anything that could be negative about a candidate.

[markpkessinger]

67. grasswire has been here since 2002 . . .

. . . and you have been here . . . how long? Oh, right, a little under two years.

[yallerdawg]

82. I've been here a lot longer than 2002.

I was here before they invented the gawdamm internet!

I know a Garbage Dump when I see one.

[markpkessinger]

84. Your profile says you joined in 2014 . . .

. . . and this site has only existed since 2001.

[yallerdawg]

91. What are you talking about?

Do you think I'm part of the matrix or something?

I'm a real person! I had opinions about the Clintons before there was an internet!

[markpkessinger]

94. Your comment wasn't about the Clintons . . .

. . . it was an attempt to lecture grasswire about the nature of this site.

from grasswire's DU profile:

Profile Information

Member since: 2002
Number of posts: 45,459

versus yours:

Member since: Fri Apr 4, 2014, 03:21 PM
Number of posts: 3,936

[Logical]

88. LOL, yes, that is why Bernie is so popular. We are democrats! nt

[yallerdawg]

96. I like the little "d."

It's called a 'tell.'

[Logical]

101. LOL, it's called a typo, but you whine a lot. Nt

[davidthegnome]

100. Criticism and dissent...

are very democratic. We have democrats, independents, libertarians, liberal republicans, conservative democrats, anarchists... many, many different kinds of people here at DU. We've got a pretty big tent. Grasswire has been here a very long time, so I'm pretty sure Grasswire knows this is a democratic website.

If you want people marching in lock-step who aren't permitted to have great differences of opinion, perhaps you, too, should remember that this is a democratic website. This is what we do, what we have always done - especially during the primaries. People get frustrated, people get angry, politicians and candidates do some sleazy shit.

Grasswire is very much at home here.

That being said, it's your condescension and not your post count that annoys me. If you want to argue with the things Grasswire said, by all means, do so, we do that here all the time. If you want to say... "fall in line or git out!" I would advise you to take a history lesson from the years of the Bush Presidency, when many, many Bush advocates were calling democrats traitors and scum bags. We are not the party of George W Bush. We are not the party of "My way or no way at all!". We are the party of dissent, of diversity.

Our candidates should be challenged, criticized and doubted at every turn. These are people who might very well lead the Nation one day - they signed up for this when they decided to campaign for President.

There are democrats - and there are democrats.

[yallerdawg]

107. Listening to her "literally made me want to puke."

What is "challenging" about that? How is that a critique or doubt?

That is plain, vile, revolting, unfounded personal attack on another human being aside from being a candidate.

You find this acceptable, this meets your standards?

[PatrynXX]

103. yeah except well when it's a Conservative running the party

ouch. Liberals don't show up

[Ken Burch]

117. That doesn't mean Democratic politicians can't be criticized on the site.

A lot of Dems agree with the assessment of HRC expressed there.

[stupidicus]

145. why start something you know you can't finish

you know that inevitably you'll running away like HC did that sniper fire

and given that your kind are outnumbered like what, 4-5:1 around here, it ain't your kinda "democrat" board, now is it?

surely there's a thirdway board you can go to, no?

[JDPriestly]

157. A lot of us agree with him. And if we leave DU, there won't be much left of it.

This site is Bernie's home page, and we like it that way.

[yallerdawg]

161. When you all leave...

the Democrats will be back!

We have an election to WIN in November!

[sabrina 1]

164. Yes we know. What was your point? It sounded to me as if you were saying that Democrats

need to be silent and refrain from expressing their opinions on the candidates they are being asked to vote for.

That would be a very bad thing if it was true.

It would mean that the voters have no say whatsoever in who they want to do the job, and it is a job, of representing their interests, the decision will be made for them, they will loyally get behind whoever is chosen FOR them and refrain from expressing any opinion whatsoever.

Their votes are OWNED, iow by whoever decides FOR them who they will support.

That doesn't sound very Democratic to me.

[yallerdawg]

166. If THIS is front page material at a Democratic website...

I'm saying Democrats want their website back!

Critique policy and issues. Promote your candidate.

But in the end, support the Democratic nominee, or go somewhere else!

[sabrina 1]

170. This Democrat among millions of others GET that the Party does not want us in the party so thanks

for the confirmation 'go somewhere else'.

Since this IS a Democratic forum Democrats are expressing and deciding what is important. You may not like their opinions that is your right, it is not your right to tell Democrats to 'go somewhere else' unless you own the forum.

I like how you confirmed my theory though 'either vote for who WE choose or go somewhere else'.

It should concern you that 12% of registered Dem voters HAVE taken your advice and 'gone somewhere else', at least half of them are now registered Independents.

It concerns ME as this is MY Party and I vehemently oppose anyone telling life long Democrats to 'go somewhere else'

See the last two mid terms which are a result of EXACTLY what you just demonstrated, voters being told to 'go somewhere else'.

Thanks for undoing all the work we did to win the House and Senate driving voters out of the party and handing control of the Senate and Congress to REPUBLICANS.

I will not join those who take your advice, this is my party and NO ONE gets to tell ME to 'go somewhere else'. I will fight to keep this party OUT OF THE HANDS of Wall St and IN the hands of the voters.

Shameful display of arrogance. This isn't YOUR PARTY.

And if the administrators agree with you, then they need to make an announcement telling all Bernie supporters to 'go somewhere else' .

We will do so WHEN they confirm what you seem to want. Until then, we will assume that as this is a Dem forum, this is where we belong.

Just ask the admins to confirm your statement and I a majority of members here will happily 'go somewhere else'.

[onehandle]

2. Hillary Wins Super Tuesday And The Nomination!

True.

[peacebird]

9. LOL! Maybe, if she isn't indicted first....

[yallerdawg]

83. Rightwing talking point.

Straight off of Fox and Limbaugh.

Good job.

[peacebird]

129. Actually I am a lifelong Dem, voted Dem for the past 41 years & it is MY concern.

Vast rightwing conspiracy is one thing BUt Hillary & Bill thinking THEY are above the law is also the truth. See Bill's bull crap in Mass on Super Tuesday, voter obstruction at its heart. Telling one person in the polls " pull the lever for Hillary" after his motorcade and secret service detail had blocked the road at another poll so people had to wait 2 HOURS. Oh, and his bullhorn rally oitsode another polling place, within 150 feet of the door!

Electioneering within 150 is against the law. Electioneering INSIDE the polling place is against the law. Bill broke the law, flagrantly.

Hillary deleted all emails that SHe determined were not work related. So did Huma. Yet Huma worked for the Clinton Foundation AND state dept at the same time. Clintin Foundation got huge donations from countries who were then approved for weapons purchases by State Dept. It MAY not ve quid pro quo, but it does NoT pass the smell test.

[JaneyVee]

3. Hillary is running a love and unity campaign for months now.

Which is why there are no articles calling out Hillary supporters for their behavior or harassment. #LoveTrumpsHate

[Armstead]

5. UM this is a serious post right?

Love and unity?

Only unity for her and love for those who "fall in line."

[JaneyVee]

7. Surely you will provide evidence of your claims.

Probably not.

[emulatorloo]

17. In other words "leave the Donald ALONE!!!!"

You're a smart guy. Time to think rather than knee-jerk.

The context was Trump. This is a contrast being drawn against Trump. Bernie's doing similar.

Trump personifies hate and divisiveness.

[840high]

50. and give her money.

[Lucinda]

28. +1

She was saying this before her campaign even started...guess people haven't been listening!

[revbones]

55. Love of money? Unity of bankers and lobbyists? I see. Thanks! n.t

[thereismore]

4. I don't do that to myself anymore. nt

[peacebird]

8. Heard it, the whole "love & kindness" bit made me want to puke, considering her mentors. Kissinger?

Neocon Kagan?
Goldman Sachs?

[peacebird]

130. Kissinger? Was it sweet love & kindness that had BillyBoy breaking election law by blocking polls?

His Mass actions should cost Hillary her pledged delegates in that state at the least. But Clintons are above silly things like election law, obviously.

#ClintonSoCorrupt

[Jitter65]

10. We could use more "love and kindness" right here. nt

[Cali_Democrat]

11. Hillary is right. This world could use more love and kindness.....here's a hug....

[polly7]

124. Then maybe she should stop pushing for less love and kindness for those

in the ME and NA, for a start. They could use a lot more of it. Less death and suffering is always a good thing.

[NCTraveler]

13. Here. Listen to it all. More Peace and kindness.

https://m.

[Jenny_92808]

20. I will pass on watching it...

I want to keep my dinner down.

[arikara]

123. I made it through nearly 2 minutes with great difficulty

That's the phoniest piece of malarkey I ever did see coming out of the woman who previously gloated "We came, we saw, he died... HAHAHAHA."

Kindness and love indeed. Won't get any of either out of that one.

[NCTraveler]

128. Amazing. Made another poster sick and you had great difficulty.

[Nyan]

14. I find it hard to listen to her most of the time,

and that's when I sense that she's either scripted, lying or pandering or otherwise being disingenuous.
But every once in a while, it's not so hard.
I've realized that's when she's making cynical or conservative statements. When she's doing that, her voice doesn't irk me. Must be my radar filtering out all the phony.
When she was speaking in favor of selective death penalty during the debate last month, she didn't sound disingenuous at all. I didn't put it on mute, and managed to hear the whole thing. And when she said "we can either get dirty oil from Middle East, or dirty oil from Canada," in reference to Keystone Pipeline, her tone didn't bother me. She seemed comfortable, and in character.

[emulatorloo]

15. It was aimed at Trump's campaign of Hate & Divisiveness

Bernie is going after trump as well.

Sorry that it bothers you that our candidates are contrasting themselves with Donald Trump.

[emulatorloo]

24. Bernie went after Trump as well in his VT speech.

And he was entirely correct to do so.


Similar theme to HRC attack on Trump, Trump's divisiveness versus unity:

http://time.com/4244244/bernie-sanders-super-tuesday-speech-transcript-full-text/

-------

SANDERS: What that revolution is about is bringing millions of millions of people into the political process. Working people who have been so disillusioned, they no longer vote. Young people who have never been involved.

What the political revolution is about is bringing our people together. Black and white, Latino, Asian-American.

(APPLAUSE)
SANDERS: Gay and straight. People born in America, people who have immigrated to America. When we bring our people together, when we do not allow the Donald Trumps of the world to divide us up.

-----

[sufrommich]

16. Do you ever,ever see OPs like this about Sanders

from Hillary supporters? Dripping with hatred and personal insults ? Because I don't.

[Beacool]

27. I agree.

Sanders seems like a decent guy, I wish I could say the same for many of his supporters.

[anigbrowl]

37. Sums it up right there. Sometimes I think I wandered into Free Republic by accident

It's pretty pathetic. And I was for Obama in 2008.

[wryter2000]

155. Bingo

I was pretty pissed at some of the things Hillary and her husband said against Obama in 2008, but nothing compares to the poo being flung at her here...on a Democratic site.

[Herman4747]

79. Oh, yes, definitely. Why can't we all just get along like these 2 lovebirds:

Don't let silly things like war & genocide stand in the way of "love and kindness," right, Beacool?

[Lizzie Poppet]

40. That's because Sanders isn't despicable.

If Hillary were a person of character, honesty, and grace, she could still be the same center-right Democrat she is now, and I wouldn't have the harsh things to say about her that I do. I'd still choose Bernie (because I'm a progressive...), but I'd have no reason to slam her.

But that's not who she is. Her too-centrist, too-corporate politics are why I don't vote for her; her nasty character is why I can't stand her and have plenty to say along those lines.

[Beacool]

44. Hillary is not despicable.

But I have read plenty of despicable things written about her on this site by so called Democrats.

Sickening....

[Lizzie Poppet]

46. Well, clearly "your mileage varies."

That's the thing about subjective matters...

[840high]

54. No. Because he has not

done hateful things.

[2banon]

118. I did. Hundreds of them. Daily. But now i've scrubbed it pretty clean.

So I don't see those hateful, vile anti-Bernie posts as much anymore, thankfully. Along with making a point of trashing a lot of those threads, I've put the authors on Ignore. That list is getting fairly long. Dirty work but someone's gotta do it.

Thanks for asking. Ta Ta

[Dragonfli]

18. Her mouth says love, peace and unity while her campaign style says:

Last edited Wed Mar 2, 2016, 10:09 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280123066

[Marr]

36. I'm amazed that the same campaign that made so much hay out of accusations of sexism

Last edited Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:30 AM - Edit history (1)

then chose to employ David "Anita Hill is a slut" Brock.

It's like they're missing the hypocrisy gene or something.

[2banon]

120. I wonder why Hillary Supporters don't take issue with David Brock?

What was done to Anita Hill was absolutely vile to put it nicely.

But then again, I wonder why they don't have an issue with Henry Kissenger, Goldman Sacks and the list goes on and on.

[AzDar]

21. Ayup.

[CharlotteVale]

22. Perfect description of her.

[amborin]

25. have only heard and seen snippets of a few of her speeches; can't abide to watch; my husband watched

part of her speech from last week and said it was revulsive

[Beacool]

26. Yeah, that must be why more people are voting for her than her opponent.

She gave a great speech about unifying the nation. It was in contrast to Trump's usual divisive speeches.

Remain fed up if you must, but Hillary will be the nominee.

[Fuddnik]

31. "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people".

H.L Mencken

[Press Virginia]

30. Her new theme song?

[slipslidingaway]

33. My husband switched the channel ...

said he could not watch.

[PonyUp]

38. She does have a way to make your stomach turn.

[slipslidingaway]

87. Yes, we just turn her off. nt

[MissDeeds]

102. We do too

or mute the sound until she's finished. We cannot stand her.

[slipslidingaway]

113. Makes it hard to press that button for her if she wins the nomination ...

we know many people who will not do so, including a few in our immediate family.

[grasswire]

41. I mute her. And go do something else, like dishes.

I defended the Clintons for years when they were under attack. Now I see the slime.

[slipslidingaway]

90. Or laundry :) Never believed Clinton on the NAFTA trade agreement ...

hard to defend the actions and becoming even more difficult each day.

[Carolina]

133. Love your post

I did the same... vociferously defended them. Now, I feel nothing but loathing. While we were distracted by the repuke investigations, Bill was selling the middle class off through NAFTA and Glass-Steagall reversal. Toss in the Telecommunications Act, Welfare Reform and her campaign nastiness in 2008 and now, and all I see is slime as well.

I have literally purged my home of all things Clinton... all the books purchased (was I a fool) and the mementoes of the 1992 campaign. GONE.

[WillyT]

34. Pssst... Hey grasswire... Over Here:

DULink: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511387618

[erlewyne]

153. Way to go WillyT and Grasswire!!!

Each day is closer to the Ides of March.

Beware of the Ides of March!!!


I am voting for BERNIE SANDERS !!!

[Lizzie Poppet]

35. She's a bad actress with an uncritical fanclub.

And that uncritical audience is going to end up putting Donald Fucking Trump in the Oval Office.

[Beacool]

45. A "fanclub" of millions of people who will win her the nomination

and hopefully the presidency.

[DrBulldog]

42. That's why I have been calling Hillary supporters "zombies".

They literally blindly follow while ignoring practically every truth about her.

[revbones]

58. Fact-averse n/t

[840high]

62. I don't understand why

they do this.

[Vincardog]

74. I suspect $ is involved somehow.

[Marr]

141. We've got our own authoritarians on the left, and most of them seem to be party loyalists.

I suppose that shouldn't be surprising, since their defining trait is following authority over all else.

[840high]

47. My reaction was -

who the hell are you kidding Hillary.

[BernieforPres2016]

57. My reaction was mute button

I can listen to her in a debate. I can't listen to her scripted speeches where she is trying to be all kindness and light. It is just too nauseating.

[PonyUp]

76. And all those fake accents her fans swoon over. Blech!

[PeaceNikki]

52. .

[Loki]

56. To make that kind of a statement about

any Democrat, whether you like them or not, is just disgusting. This is no better than the shit the Republicans say, and somehow, just somehow I thought we were better than that. You know what I won't drag Bernie Sander's down into that muck, that disgusting type of slime throwing because I am a Democrat. I don't know what you are, or who you are. Shame isn't in your vocabulary nor understanding. I am a life long Democrat, I supported Barack Obama, I supported Al Gore, I supported Bill Clinton, I supported George McGovern, and I supported Robert F. Kennedy Jr. until he was assassinated. The men and women that ran with those candidates, were all Democrats, and I respected that, but never once displayed this level of animosity towards any of them. You have no respect for our party, for the people who have worked for years and years to help Democrats get elected and support the ideals which that party stands for. You may have been on this website for a while, but I will not ever respect this kind of verbal assault on anyone in my party. You're fed up, you have no idea.

[sufrommich]

63. Well said,Loki.

[PeaceNikki]

70. Agreed.

[PonyUp]

78. You mad, bro?

[Loki]

135. Do you know how to read someone's profile PhonyUP?

I'm not your "Bro".

[PonyUp]

138. Awww...name spin-offs. How cute. We used to do that in elementary school. n/t

[Loki]

139. Call me bro because you

Don't have the time to read my profile I'll call you phony. Haha

[panader0]

150. Maybe the poster was confused by your name. Loki was male.

[Loki]

151. Confused?

No just plain lazy. My first name is Lee, it's the more masculine spelling of that name, but my mother named me that. My profile explicitly says "female". You can read it if you wanted to take the time. Apparently it was too much trouble.

[Darb]

178. No, they are not mad. Sick.

Bernie is way behind.

[SunSeeker]

80. Thank you, Loki.

[slipslidingaway]

85. Is this acceptable by the Brock/Clinton campaign ...

&feature=youtu.be

Thanks to Vattel for the link.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511393961

I hope you will also be as disgusted by the smear campaign that is being run against Sanders, not to mention Bill Clinton obstructing voters from casting their votes.

As some here might say, Bernie is not a Democrat ... although he has mostly stood with the Dems for decades, but has spoken out for the equality of ALL people, when many Dems were silent. But that does not seem to matter to some people who hold up a letter.

Never been much of a letter or label person myself, judge actions, not labels.

If actions are suspect, they need to be challenged.

[Loki]

136. When you react in the way that a right wing shill

would respond to a my post, then nothing you have to say is worth my consideration.

[Dem2]

115. Excellent post

The bile in the O/P is completely unacceptable.

[wryter2000]

156. Amen to that

[Myrina]

60. She's still plagiarizing Sanders ...

... he has used the "love trumps hate" theme for the past month or so ...

She's such an opportunistic panderer. And fake. So fake.

[grasswire]

71. ^^^^ nt

[BernieforPres2016]

72. No, you've got it wrong

According to MSNBC this evening, whenever the Queen plagiarizes Bernie, it means "he's already won". That's his prize. According to them, his job now is to use the money of his supporters to go after Trump and bring them around to supporting the Queen.

[raging moderate]

64. Please, can't we just get along? Both sides have been too quick to pounce.

I have read dreadful tirades against both Sanders and Clinton. I think we need to dial it down. You know, whenever I am working for a candidate, there is a buildup of group anxiety that can cause exaggeration of the opponent's flaws. Instead of posing as angelic figures battling the forces of darkness, we need to show more respect for the other side. Just because you think your candidate is better or that the other candidate is wrong or has done things that should not have been done, that is no reason to assume deliberate villainy or lies or crimes. Maybe they just got confused or tricked or carried away. Maybe they just didn't realize something because they were concentrating on another important problem area. Maybe, if we all think about each other's ideas, we would come up with something even better than either side has suggested, maybe something off in another direction that would solve lots of problems.

[grasswire]

69. and maybe there are really fairies and gnomes.

I appreciate your call. But in this case the evidence is clear, and the RISK TOO GREAT to ignore. Hillary is too flawed to represent Democrats.

[BernieforPres2016]

75. And there's 30 years of evidence

Starting with her tenure on the Wal-Mart board in 1986. It's on the public record and all over YouTube.

[Dustlawyer]

65. I would add to your last sentence by saying, ...and the smartest Democrats!

[Cobalt Violet]

68. Those polls are pretty bad.

But as long as Debbie gets who she wants nominated to hell with who can actually win.

[abelenkpe]

77. Surely you've seen this?

http://imgur.com/nLlVdcT



Have seen this posted by democrats and republicans alike. Gotta admit this election cycle is the strangest one ever. With both sides bitterly divided over their candidates

[BernieforPres2016]

81. That is hilarious

If they meet in the general election, the goal of each of them will be to drive the other's negatives up from the 50's & 60's into the 70's and 80's. There would be more negative ads, name calling and mud slinging than any of us have ever seen.

[jillan]

95. Van Jones said on CNN after her speech that if he read the words he would think that was a Bernie

speech.

Pretty bad when talking heads who lean towards her can see thru her bullshit.

[slipslidingaway]

98. !!! nt

[davidthegnome]

99. Meeting with the lobbyists after giving that speech...

one a member of the NRA, isn't going to help very much. She talked about holding accountable, corporations and groups that behave badly... how is taking their money holding them accountable?

I'm fed up too. Had a hard time not rolling my eyes through her speech last night.

[HubertHeaver]

114. Careful with that eyerolling.

You can sprain your eye tendons/muscles.

[bhikkhu]

104. I had an old boss who said the same about Obama

...when the president had given a particularly inspired and inspiring speech (I don't remember which one), I asked my boss in passing if he had heard it. He replied that he couldn't listen to "that guy" talk, it just made him feel sick. Of course, he had heard about the speech on talk radio, and had a thing or two to say about it. I'm glad I don't work there any longer...

The media is very good at getting people to hate other people, it's a very specific skill that has been honed over decades. My sympathies for your distress, but I suspect you are being manipulated - and not by Hillary Clinton.

[grasswire]

109. thanks for the condescension.

As a close student of politics since before Monica Lewinsky, I think I know what I see and smell. I defended the Clintons for some years. But now they have been around long enough for us to see behind the masks. It's graft. Corruption. Deceit. Profiteering from misery of others, and oftentimes causing that misery. Duplicitousness. And on.

The facts are what they are.

[bhikkhu]

112. The fact is that Sanders and Clinton agree on most important issues

(though not necessarily on how to get from point A to point B), and respect each other's records, intelligence, and intentions. I'm voting for Sanders myself, but in the event that he doesn't win the primary, I suspect I will vote with him in the general.

[ucrdem]

134. +1

[oberliner]

108. What website is this?

I thought it was a place for Democrats.

[RiverLover]

131. Democrats who want Democratic leaders to actually BE Democrats. /nt

[Eric J in MN]

111. That's part of her stump speech.

If you tune into another of her speeches, you'll probably hear her say the same thing which you felt was bogus the first time.

[JI7]

119. nobody should be surprised by this, the same hatred against older black people

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511356651

[Carolina]

132. I feel likewise

It's a visceral negative reaction... she opens her mouth and I, too, want to hurl. The pandering and the lies and BS about her record and experience are absolutely nauseating.

I have to mute the TV or turn it off.

[grasswire]

142. me, me, me, me, me, me

I, I, I, I, I, I

That's what I hear.

I did learn why it probably is that she invites and seems to thrive with being battered by everyone. Her father was a mean disciplinarian. Very very strict and punitive. I believe she is still trying to prove to her (dead) dad that she can take anything. That is understandable, but we the people do not need to be a party to this playing out of childhood trauma.

[CrispyQ]

140. I wanted to pull out my old Bush nerf toys to throw at the TV.

Big time fail. She is so fucking transparent! I am going to have such a hard, hard time voting for her if she gets the nom. Off to send Sanders more money.

[grasswire]

163. oh thanks for the memory

I kept a bag of marshmallows handy for Bush.

[NorthCarolina]

143. Authenticity is impossible to create where none exists.

eom

[erlewyne]

144. I'm voting for Bernie Sanders. I am an old Democrat.

I was a democrat when HLC was GOP.

[NurseJackie]

148. So dramatic! But it would be more believable if it was just a little more subtle.

Gloria Swanson as Norma Desmond in the 1950 film "Sunset Boulevard"

[chapdrum]

152. With you on this.

It is sickening.

Unless the millions Sanders references actually show up at the polls, yet again, we'll have the "choice" of the lesser of two evils.

[wryter2000]

154. Lord please tell me when this crap is going to be over eom

eom

[left-of-center2012]

160. Did she scream? She always screams her speeches.

Guess that's suppose to make her appear to be a strong leader.
Personally I find it a big turn off.

[grasswire]

162. me too.

And that gesture she continually uses. It's a sort of authoritarian flourish. I am sick of it.

[ReallyIAmAnOptimist]

165. Agree 1000%

How so many folks don't see it fascinates me.

[Nitram]

169. Grass, you hear sanctimonious, sugary where we hear honest sincerity.

You have no shame when you accuse Clinton of being heartless in the face of all the good she's done during her political career. You are so biased you don't see her for who she really is. More's the pity.

[grasswire]

172. Apparently you have not encountered the facts...

...regarding her career and the millions of people who have been damaged.

Like many others here, I supported the Clintons and defended them for years. But now I know about the fraud and corruption and deceit and profiteering.

Please educate yourself, for the good of the party.

[grasswire]

174. P.S.

Many people also think George W. Bush is a fine man who helped many people.

[jcgoldie]

171. self righteous crap

They are all politicians. Bernie Sanders isn't a saint and Hillary Clinton isn't "hateful". All that matters is what they can do if elected.

[MaggieD]

175. If you don't like Democrats why post here?

[grasswire]

176. what a revolting comment.

Revolting, ludicrous.

It might almost be worth a hide to tell you what I really think.

[Darb]

177. What a crock.

Yeah, I said it. A crock.

[grasswire]

179. time to take away Hillaryans chew toy.

I made my point. Now I will be locking this thread.