Petraeus got a fine and a suspended term for a misdemeanor charge of mishandling classified data

[hill2016]

This was where the fact pattern showed that that he deliberately lied to the FBI and actively sought to pass unclassified materials to his biographer.

Clinton has so far not been accused of anything remotely as egregious.

[NWCorona]

1. I respectfully disagree.

Hillary's situation is much worse.

[FarPoint]

26. I doubt you are sincere...

Maybe you just don't desire to vote for Hillary ....What he did was careless, he knew it was Wong and discounted security protocol believing he was above THAT...

[NWCorona]

30. " I doubt you are sincere..."

I think that is kinda low. Yes I'm a Bernie supporter and I can be very critical of Hillary but that doesn't mean I'm not sincere. I haven't been here long but I have been very respectfully of other people's opinion and have no problems giving Hillary props when it's do. I also point out where I disagree with Bernie.

I'm not a hater.

[FarPoint]

32. I'm a Bernie fan too.

I also won't needlessly give props to a repug, warmongering, hypocrite who knowingly took liberties for selfish sexual gains and risked national security for his pleasure. I won't go there to support him and ditch or trash talk a true liberal Democrat.

[DrDan]

29. only because her name was "Hillary" - be honest about it

[NWCorona]

31. Not at all.

When you look at the facts of both cases IMHO it's obvious.

[Dem2]

2. I agree

I can't figure out what she'd be charged with when comparing similar cases, the status of the rules while she served and previous SoS's. It just makes no sense that she'd be even remotely in danger of indictment. FFS Bush/Cheney are war criminals, not even a misdemeanor charge.

[Press Virginia]

9. The most serious charges she could face are those related to

the retention of the information outside the government system, which is a felony. Which is one of the things Petreaus did.

The rest are misdemeanors related to improper handling of the information itself.
Improper storage, gross negligence

Now, if she destroyed anything that should have been turned over its a felony too

[Dem2]

10. Seems very unlikely

my educated opinion

[Press Virginia]

13. Why?

We already know she had classified information on her server. The IG has said some of it was classified TS/SCI at the time it was sent.

[NWCorona]

15. I posted an pdf of an email that has since been declassified

But was marked SBU/SENSITIVE SECURITY INFORMATION (SSI) at the time it was sent.

[Autumn]

3. I don't remember Petraeus running for president.

[beac]

23. Or two wrongs making a right.

This is the same "But, but, but someone else did it!" BS that Hillarians are trying to use comparing the guy holding a "Bankers for Hillary" behind Bill Clinton bellowing into a bullhorn outside a polling station.

What Petraeus did was wrong. What Hillary did was wrong. What the signholder did was wrong. What Bill did was wrong.

Why do Clinton supporters think evidence of others' wrongdoing excuses the Clintons from theirs? It's baffling.

[Autumn]

24. I expect shit like that from republicans when it comes from democrats

that's a different matter. I hold democrats to a higher standard because I hold myself and my actions to a higher standard.

[beac]

25. Me too.

Love your sig line, by the way.

[Hoyt]

4. Petraeus was running against (in, standing in the way of) Sanders' dream, so he's not nearly

as bad as Clinton.

[2pooped2pop]

5. I have seen on here that they are also connecting this to heR foundation

And the selling of political favors through it. I think it perhaps was something in the emails. Maybe the plutonium deal? So it is possible that this could lead to quite a lot.

[malokvale77]

6. Yah, too bad we allow this shit with our government officials.

Is that your argument for Hillary Clinton?

[SunSeeker]

7. Patreaus passed troop movement notes to his mistress/biographer to impress her.

He knew what was showing her was THE most top secret sensitive info there is. Then he lied about it to the FBI. And he was only hit with a misdemeanor and probation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/in-clinton-email-investigation-justice-department-grants-immunity-to-former-state-department-staffer/2016/03/02/e421e39e-e0a0-11e5-9c36-e1902f6b6571_story.html

None of the emails Hillary sent or received was marked classified, let alone top secret, at the time. It was only classified after the fact in response to a right wing group's FOIA request for her emails. And it was crazy overclassification. One of the emails they decided to classify as secret was an email forwarding a newspaper article about drones, that was already available to millions of people. It is ridiculous. That is why Hillary has been saying the State Department should turn over all this stuff.

This is not a real threat to Hillary, as much as some here and in the GOP wish it were. The FBI is dotting every "i" and crossing every "t" because this is such a politically charged matter and the Benghazi Committee is watching every move. So, it will be thoroughly, mind-numbingly investigated.

[Press Virginia]

11. Markings are irrelevant. The book Petreaus gave to his mistress, who

incidently held a TS/SCI, wasn't marked as classified either.

If she received information on say drone program operations or sat data, it's classified. The IG has already said some of the information was classified TS/SCI or higher at the time it was sent.

And Drone Program information is ALWAYS classified when produced.

[NWCorona]

16. Hillary also had contracted with a server farm that didn't have the clearance to do so.

The office didn't even have an alarm. Crazy stuff

[SunSeeker]

18. Markings are absolutely relevant. A newspaper article is not the same as troop movement notes.

Otherwise, there would be a lot of reporters, not to mention people getting that article, in jail.

[Press Virginia]

19. You'd better let the government know so they can change the NDA

which clearly states the signee is responsible for safeguarding sensitive information, marked or unmarked.

She had SAP information on her server. That's higher than Top Secret.

[SunSeeker]

21. A newspaper article is not "SAP."

[Press Virginia]

22. Nobody said it was.

And it doesn't matter if the NYTs ran a full expose on the drone program, complete with the blue prints, it's still a classified program subject to the same law as any other document.
She signed an NDA, it was her responsibility to abide by it

[Cheese Sandwich]

8. Petraeus 2020!

Where do we sign up for that?!

[jfern]

12. Vote Hillary, she just has a misdemeanor

[AtomicKitten]

14. Bumper sticker suggestion: HILLARY: PROBABLY WON'T BE INDICTED!

[azurnoir]

17. Petraeus wasn't running for POTUS either so even a fine and a suspended term is serious for Hillary

[renate]

20. Petraeus gave unclassified materials to someone he was having an affair with

I think Hillary is like me... I wouldn't know how servers work or anything like that. I can totally understand her relying on others to be responsible about security etc.

There are things about her that I do not care for, but this isn't one of them.

[morningfog]

27. And most people were livid about his slap on the wrist.

[DrDan]

28. it went far beyond "mishandling" - he consciously gave it to his "girlfriend"

big, big difference

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. Petraeus downloaded classified information.

General Petraeus knowingly and deliberately downloaded classified information, including the names of clandestine operatives on at least several occasions, wrote it down in a written file, shared it with his paramour, and then lied to the FBI when asked about it. It was the latter act that was the most egregious.

BTW, the prosecutor who actually prosecuted General Petraeus wrote that his situation and Secretary Clinton's situation are dissimilar, ergo:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/08/30/clinton-controversy-no-comparison-petraeus-column/71421242/


I do wonder about the motives of those who conflate the two.

[randome]

36. Come on, you guys, don't ruin a good outrage!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

[Arazi]

34. And he resigned. So yup, if she's guilty she should resign

Sooner than later for everyone's sake

[mmonk]

35. I don't want impeachment hearings in 2017.

I'll leave my comments there.